iPhone Only To Be Sold At Select AT&T Stores

[TechFeed]

According to an internal memo acquired by the Consumerist, the Apple iPhone will only be available at Apple.com, Apple Stores, and select AT&T stores.

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[logant]

I really wanted the iPhone. But now I just don't know anymore.

No third party apps (I don't consider their solution an "app". Although, I don't really care that much about third party apps)

No flash in Safari-Maybe a deal killer

[tokenuser]

According to an internal memo acquired by the Consumerist, the Apple iPhone will only be available at Apple.com, Apple Stores, and select AT&T stores.

source www.techfeed.ca/?q=node/115 (http://www.techfeed.ca/?q=node/115) & www.consumerist.com (http://www.consumerist.com)

The consumerist counts as a legitimate source now? It is pulp journalism at best ... but anyway.

You need to read the memo correctly. "It will not be available for sale in the local dealer channel".

AT&T have multiple distribution channels. They have AT&T stores that they own, they have AT&T BRANDED franchises, and they have AT&T distribution channels (LOCAL DEALER CHANNELS) that can sell you a phone and a contract from AT&T as well as other carriers ("Hanks Bargain Phones" at the local strip mall, as well as Best Buy etc fall into this category).

All the memo is saying is that the phone (and if other rumours are true, there are 2.3M of them ready to be sold on launch day) is only available through AT&T stores (corporate and franchise), and not through the local dealer (multi carrier) stores.

Why is this such a big deal? As a business user, there is little appeal in the iPhone beyond the glossy new interface. I'll stick to my crackberry. As a consumer, I just bought an 80GB iPod to replace a stolen 4GB nano (interface not as slick, but much better battery life and much MUCH better capacity), and a Sony Cybershot DSC-T100 (again, to replace a stolen camera). Total cost was about the same as the iPhone. I already have a crackberry. And it is a 7130e - so the speed is broadband quality.

I used to be a huge proponent of converged devices, but they are all about compromise. Sure, you only need to carry a single device, but its a device that does none of its intended functions particularly well - but it sure looks cool while you are doing it :)

[comhcinc]

we have three AT&T stores in the area, and they all have iphones.

[tokenuser]

Can someone please help me understand why this phone is better than the N95?

I seriously don't get all this hype.

http://cg.cis.upenn.edu/hms/img/apple.jpg

[tokenuser]

I really was wondering why people think this phone is so much better than the N95.

http://cg.cis.upenn.edu/hms/img/apple.jpg <==

Seriously. Its the only reason for the hype. The multitouch UI is nice, and Apple does have some great designers working on their gear, but the only thing that really sets the iPhone apart is the logo screen printed on the back.

The camera is a typical cell phone camera (OK for a blog, but wont replace a proper camera).
The music player is iPod based - which is nice, except the amount of memory available to the user is NOT the full 4 or 8GB advertised, so you get a limited MP3 player.
Wifi ... OK, thata plus.
Cellular data. EDGE?? WTF! Data speeds are marginally better than dialup, approaching ISDN speeds in burst mode, but nothing like the EVDO speeds on CDMA networks.
Call quality (it IS a cellphone after all) - unknown. With all that electronics packed in there, I suspect the reception is going to be lousy.
PDA functions? Yet to be seen how they really stack up against other SmartPhones (Treo, WinMobile, Blackberry).
Browser - this is a plus ... they really put some thought into what works on a portable device. Two enthusiastic thumbs up on that.

[darknessgp]

http://cg.cis.upenn.edu/hms/img/apple.jpg <==

Seriously. Its the only reason for the hype. The multitouch UI is nice, and Apple does have some great designers working on their gear, but the only thing that really sets the iPhone apart is the logo screen printed on the back.

The camera is a typical cell phone camera (OK for a blog, but wont replace a proper camera).
The music player is iPod based - which is nice, except the amount of memory available to the user is NOT the full 4 or 8GB advertised, so you get a limited MP3 player.
Wifi ... OK, thata plus.
Cellular data. EDGE?? WTF! Data speeds are marginally better than dialup, approaching ISDN speeds in burst mode, but nothing like the EVDO speeds on CDMA networks.
Call quality (it IS a cellphone after all) - unknown. With all that electronics packed in there, I suspect the reception is going to be lousy.
PDA functions? Yet to be seen how they really stack up against other SmartPhones (Treo, WinMobile, Blackberry).
Browser - this is a plus ... they really put some thought into what works on a portable device. Two enthusiastic thumbs up on that.

About the wifi, I'm not so sure it is a plus. Remember the Zune has wifi, it's gimped but it has it...

To add to logant list of no flash and no 3rd party apps. Should also tack on mandatory iTunes and locked in to only work with Cingular.

More on top, it actually somewhat makes sense to me that they'd do a limited release. Yea, people will buy it because it's Apple and Apple probably knows this. But I'm not so sure Cingular is sold on that idea. Not to mention there are a lot of people that can't justify spending that much on a phone/PDA along with possibly having to switch cell providers.

[tokenuser]

About the wifi, I'm not so sure it is a plus. Remember the Zune has wifi, it's gimped but it has it...I think this is actually one of the biggest selling points on the device - ability to access the web wirelessly or via cellular modem. If you have the choice of surfing over cellular speeds or over 802.11b/g, I'd take the 11/54Mbps over the 128kbps.

And now it just occured to me WHY there is no dev kit ... it has WiFi. With a Skype port to a cellphone device, suddenly the whole reason for a carrier to carry the device is destroyed. The device will appeal to early adopter that don't miond paying the bleeding edge tax. These are the same people that would load up a VoIP app on the phone ... and suddenly instead of selling $80 voice+data plans, AT&T (there is no Cingular any more) are selling $40 data only packages (I am making those numbers up - but you get the idea), and people are connecting via Skype.

[tokenuser]

It's the first time an MP3 player has been implemented in a phone that doesn't resemble MP3 players released in 1999.

Motorola ROKR. Slew of Samsung and LG phones out of SE Asia.
If you want to see really cool phones, you need to look at the asian markets.

Its the first time multi touch technology has been implemented in a phone.

True. The actual usability of this on a cellular device is yet to be proven though.

It's the first time browsing the internet on your phone has been as similar as browsing on your PC.

PalmOS has had "full screen" browsers for many MANY years.

Its one of the first touch screen phones to be released.

Really? Kyocera 6135?? Treo devices? Windows Mobile devices?

It has one of the best UI on a phone out to date.

There is some debate that it is a nice PDA interface (similar to the PalmOS layout and function BTW), but that the UI for the phone itself is TERRIBLE ... and this is after all a phone.

What else do you guys want it to do, give you a back massage? ;)

Sure - set the phone to vibrate, and have someone continually text you. You might get a 5 minute massage out of the battery :D

The device is evolutionary, not revolutionary like the folks in Cupertino would have you believe.

[samureye]

It's the first time an MP3 player has been implemented in a phone that doesn't resemble MP3 players released in 1999.
Wha wha? MANY phones don't resemble MP3 players and play MP3s!

Its one of the first touch screen phones to be released.
Touch screen has been around.....for a long time.

It has one of the best UI on a phone out to date.
That's opinion, I say rotary phones have the best UI.

What else do you guys want it to do, give you a back massage?
I want it to hold 2 SIM cards and be able to take calls from either one at any given time. No, can't do it.

[tokenuser]

Phatty likes drinking Apple iJuice.

The hype surrounding the iPhone is pretty typical of an Apple product. Apple fanbois are myopic and only ever see what is coming out Cupertino without looking at what is already out there on the market.

The Nokia N devices are outstanding.
Symbian has a well established development platform with a huge developer community.
Palm led the SmartPhone market for many MANY years.
Microsoft has had Windows Mobile for many MANY years as well.

The only innovative feature here is the packaging, and I dont know about you but trying to answer this thing while driving is going to be a *****.

[tokenuser]

Come on now Token. I wasn't talking about touchscreen's in general. The iPhone is one of the first cellphones to have NO keyboards. EVERYTHING is touchscreen.

Keyboards can be useful.

http://www.wireless.att.com/global/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/cingular-8125-l.gif

No keyboards are slimmer

http://www.wireless.att.com/global/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/att_8525_l.gif

Note: Both of the above models are already for sale at AT&T, along with Blackberry devices (the Curve, and the Pearl). So Apple is entering a crowded market to begin with, and they are doing it at the top end.

But Palm got there first (Qualcomm pdq - June 1999, Kyocera 6035 - June 2001, Kyocera 7135 - June 2003) - with a touch screen, and a numeric keypad (because it is still a phone).

http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/assets/kyocera2.jpghttp://www.mobiletechreview.com/image/kyocera7135_open.jpg

[tokenuser]

Yes, but the N95 doesn't sell over 10 million music player devices each quarter. Apple does. Apple dominates the music player market. Anyone interested in buying a phone with the ability to listen to music on it as well is going to consider an iPhone.

How many CELLPHONES does Apple sell?

Lets look at the numbers ...

NOKIA sold 91.1 MILLION phones in the first quarter of this year. Even second place Motorola sold 45.5 MILLION units.

Of those 91.1 MILLION phones sold by Nokia, 11.3 MILLION of them were converged devices (N73, N70, E65) etc. Converged devices? Holy crap, that what the iPhone is.

Apple may dominate the music player market (in deed, I just bought an 80GB iPod last weekend), but Nokia dominate the the cellphone market, as well as the convereged device market.

If the iPhone stipped out the cellular phone capability, and was a PDA (I wish this was Newton 2007) or was the 6G iPod - I would be right behind you on this, but its not. Its a converged device, which pulls it out of Apples music player dominance comfort zone. This is a market crowded with other companies.

The iPhone runs Mac OS X. What about the N95? The hype around the iPhone lays in the software. One thing that comes to my mind (and developers minds eager to develop software on the iPhone) is potential. Imagine the kinds of things that can be developed on the iPhone if (actually, when) Apple allows for third party software to be developed on the iPhone. Apple is going to eventually allow developers to create third party software on the phone...I'm willing to put money on that. Once this happens, I think they hype around the iPhone will become very clear.

Apple is a software company now. The software is what sells the hardware. That is what Apple does with Mac and iPods and they are doing the same with the iPhone.

Saying the iPhone runs OSX is like saying that a Windows Mobile device runs Vista (or XP). ITS NOT OSX. It is being called OSX, but it is running a stripped down UI on top of a stripped down kernel. Apps writen for OSX will NOT run on the iPhone, and vice versa.

Oh, and what does Nokia run? Symbian.

15.9 MILLION phones running the Symbian OS were sold in 1Q07. 70% of all SmartPhones shipped globally run the Symbian OS.

Phatty - I thought you were in college now. Where is your critical thinking and analysis skills? A little research shows just how far off base you are.

[xibalba]

How much will the iPhone cost? since it is apple and supposly so great what 500, 600 bucks or the cost a of a macbook?

[xibalba]

Even if I was a hardcore mac fanboy I wouldn't buy one. Already have my entire mp3 collection on a mp3 player and don't use a cellphone. If I did have a cellphone I would want only a phone that is a phone maybe a camera thats it. Seems like a waste of money to me.

[xibalba]

Wow a screen covered in finger prints. Gonna have to buy one now. :D
or they gonna include a glove ya can wear to touch the screen without leaving fingerprints. :D

[xibalba]

Why do apple users have to defend there purchases and what they like trying to make others look stupid when in fact they are the ones who do?

[tokenuser]

iPhone voters are likely to be better equipt to deal with the new touch screen voting machines. I guess there had to be an upside :)

[tokenuser]

Where am I the idiot again?The iPhone is the only phone developed in the USA.

Nokia? Socialist scandinavians.
LG? Samsung? Korean. Which is damn close to North Vietnam. Damn communists.
Motorola? Made off shore in sweat shop factories in Mexico.
RIM Blackberry? Canadian. And who ever trusted a Canadian to do anything right.

So, Apple's iPhone is the ONLY option for a true American.


And dont even think of trying to buy one unlocked. Where are you going to run it? On Deutches Telecom's T-Mobile network. Fascists ...

No. An Apple iPhone running on AT&T is the only option for true patriots.

Anyone who is not a patriot must be an idiot, or here illegally.

[xibalba]

Aren't apple products made and put together in China (by little children) and shipped to the US? :D

[tokenuser]

Aren't apple products made and put together in China (by little children) and shipped to the US? :DBah .... thats a lie started by those open source folks who are pissed that the iPhone kernel mods aren't re-released under GPL.

[xibalba]

Guess anything is better than Bill Hitler Gates. :D
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q291/xibalbathirteen/nazi.jpg

[xibalba]

How did I know you were going to say that? Because thats what is always said and most mac users I have spoken to say it isn't true. Soo is that your only excuse? Don't be so uptight about being a mac user most of the time people defend their usages of anything is because they aren't sure it was the right choice and are insecure about it.

[tokenuser]

Because they are regularly attacked because they MADE the purchase.I know plenty of Mac people. People that have been using MacOS since it was called "Lisa". They are not people that get attacked for using Macs for a very simple reason, they don't feel the need to justify their purchase decision.

Technology wise, the iPhone is very slick, but statements like:

It's the first time an MP3 player has been implemented in a phone that doesn't resemble MP3 players released in 1999.
Its the first time multi touch technology has been implemented in a phone.
It's the first time browsing the internet on your phone has been as similar as browsing on your PC.
Its one of the first touch screen phones to be released.
It has one of the best UI on a phone out to date. ... that are just absurd goes on to add fuel to the rabid Apple fanboi stereotype. In short, you (Cult of Macists) are your own worst enemy.

Crumbles and I both presented evidence (specs and stats - are verifiable, not just rhetoric ... except my last "un patriotic" post) to refute your statements. And STILL you keep quoting the party line ... you are sounding like a Republican supporter :)

[tokenuser]

Must.... walk... away....

Thought that would get a bite :D

[ryudo]

This could be 1987 and apple introducing a phone with nothing really new and look like this picture and they still would have hyped it and had box of tissues next to the lotion over it.
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5290/35142338445b006f78ayi3.jpg

[tokenuser]

OMG!!!!! It has one of those touch interfaces!!!!!!!

[logant]

N95

5 megapixel Carl Zeiss camera
30FPS DVD like 640x480 video
WiFi (built in VoIP)
3rd party apps and games out the ass
3D chip
built in GPS with free maps
TV-Out cable, and 3.5mm port for listening to MP3's (w/ built in music player)
World phone - unlocked
video editing software on the phone
Google Maps/traffic on phone
Office applications
Built in flash player
Built in podcasting with RSS support
Awesome internet browser w/ mini map


Not really sure how the iPhone holds a candle to the N95? Because you can touch the screen???

Yes, but then again the N95 is 800 dollars and pretty thick. Consumers are going to look at the N95 and then look at the iPhone and think they are getting a very nice phone for less than the N95. I kinda wish they would make the N95 have a 2 or 3.2 megapixel camera with a qwerty keyboard. There realy is not point in making a 800 dollar cellphone without a Qwerty keyboard (IMHO). I'm not saying the features aren't nice either.

[samureye]

I was going to get an N95....but the price is killing me. I would go for something around $300 that is GSM, unlocked, with some N95-ish features. What can I get like that?

[logant]

I think the iPhone will be great by second or third generation. It's kinda typical Apple.

[TechFeed]

I think the iPhone will be great by second or third generation. It's kinda typical Apple.

I think you are right. I'm actually debating if I should just wait till iPhone 2.0 comes out, but its going to be hard to resist..

[tokenuser]

I think the iPhone will be great by second or third generation. It's kinda typical Apple.This is the second generation iPhone. The first was the collaboration with Motorola (http://www.apple.com/itunes/mobile/)- the ROKR and the RAZR. This is the second version, which has dedicated hardware.

iPhone 3 will be the KILR version :) ... maybe.

[samureye]

No, version 3 will definately be LAMR.

[xibalba]

But look what the iPhone can do. :D
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1xXNoB3t8vM

[samureye]

$749 with free shipping and no tax directly from Nokiausa.com (you can get it cheaper at other websites if you look around)

However, it may be a little more than the iPhone, but remember:

it's unlocked
5 megapixel camera vs iPhones
DVD-like video recording
TV-Out
3D Chip
Integrated GPS with FREE maps
running symbian
not running any Cingular or other branded software on top of the OS
free firmware updates over your PC
no 2-year contract required

Did I mention that it has a USB jack on it to? Plug it into my PC, a folder pops up, I drag and drop anything I want on to it. I wonder if the iPhone will let you do that.

Has a lot more going for it than the iPhone.
Yeah, but how much of that am I REALLY going to use? In all honesty, what I want is:

Space for MP3s, quite a bit
Nice Camera to Quickly Take Vids and Pictures
Ability to hold 2 SIM cards on different networks(not something any phone does that I know of)
I need a good way to manage contacts, especially people who have more than 1 phone. Again with this 2 Network thing, I carry around more 2 phones, need to manage things. I think a full fledged contact thing would be great, to put in email address etc.

Other than that, not totally sure what I need again, so in all honesty I don't NEED much more, I think. Finding this phone is the problem. I think a PDA phone might be what I need though, something with a stylus, or touch screen, because there are phones that respond to the screen being touched, that are out now, and it's not the iPhone because it isn't out.

[samureye]

But look what the iPhone can do. :D
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1xXNoB3t8vM

Oh that was great! Where is that from?

[comhcinc]

the iphone is revolutionary if it works well. the iphone is also over-hyped which is just good marketing, which has always been apple's strong front.

but really how can anyone like of dislike the thing? nobody has seen it. all you guys are doing are aguring press releases, from apple. Jobs is loving every min. of it.

oh i get to play with one next week. i'll let everyone know my thoughts on it then.

[samureye]

Realised it is Conan, as if it could have been anywhere else.

[comhcinc]

nobody has really seen it, we have all seen Jobs and others holding somthing and playing with it, but nobody knows yet if that is how it works.

i don't think it's any one feature that makes it revolutionary, more how everything is suppose to work and flow together. it's a better mousetrap.

that said has any other phone had that type of voice mail system?

[logant]

I think the revolutionary aspect is starting to bite Jobs in the ass. But what I think is great about the iPhone is that it feels like 3 separate devices rolled into one. Yes there are plenty of MP3 phones out there. But it seems that on those phones the music aspect is kind of an afterthought.

[comhcinc]

You're the one going around calling it revolutionary.
no i said it was revolutionary if it works well. if it doesn't, it's another newton or lisa. neat idea that is ahead of it's time.

[samureye]

I'll go with Namebrand electronics, TYVM, also, could you guys please get along? I was having fun making fun of the iPhone without animosity.

[comhcinc]

maybe you will read it this time around

i don't think it's any one feature that makes it revolutionary, more how everything is suppose to work and flow together. it's a better mousetrap.

that said has any other phone had that type of voice mail system?

[samureye]

Holy Contradiction, Batman!

[comhcinc]

You're right, I did read it much better that time around.

apparently you want me to think that you have the inability to read whole sentences or comprehend even the simplest concepts, but i know you better than that rush. lets look at what i really said, including the parts you chose to leave out.

the iphone is revolutionary if it works well.

which you chose to ignore the first time, so i repeat myself.

no i said it was revolutionary if it works well.

see i didn't change my statement.

then i answered you question and you chose to ignore it again, going so far as to edit my answer to seem like i didn't.


i don't think it's any one feature that makes it revolutionary, more how everything is suppose to work and flow together. it's a better mousetrap.

that said has any other phone had that type of voice mail system?

hmmm seems completely different when you are allowed to read the quote huh?

i guess this means you can't defend your position.

[comhcinc]

You said it was revolutionary. I called you out and told you to name something that was. You failed.

End of story.
again i have said, three times now that


i don't think it's any one feature that makes it revolutionary, more how everything is suppose to work and flow together. it's a better mousetrap.

that said has any other phone had that type of voice mail system?

this isn't a radio show, everyone can see that i have answered your question and everyone can see that you have yet to respond to that. you are not very good at this.

[tokenuser]

"Hello caller - you are on the air."

I think the iPhone will be carried by liberal, treehugging, turtle neck wearing, Segway riding, bio dielse burning, trust fund babies.

When the revolution comes, they will be waiting for Steve to market it so that they know its OK to follow.

I'll take you response on air.

I love hit and run talk show radio. The best thing abot living in America is the freedom to have an opinion, and not being afraid to share it with the rest of the world, and if need be defend the opinion regardless of validity (is there such a thing as an invalid opinion? it can be flawed, but all opinions are valid).

[comhcinc]

OK, so your answer to you naming one thing that's revolutionary is that you don't think there's one thing on it that makes it revolutionary? Just so we're all clear.

well that barely sense made but i am going to try to respond anyway. first off let us yet again look at what i said:


i don't think it's any one feature that makes it revolutionary, more how everything is suppose to work and flow together. it's a better mousetrap.

that said has any other phone had that type of voice mail system?

hey i mentioned the voice mail system, that's one thing. you know just to be clear.

but yeah i think a product can be revolutionary if it combines common elements in a new way that will change the way we use the device.

would you like an example? okay how about the GUI? it didn't change what computers did, it in alot of cases didn't even do it better, but it change the way we use computers.

[tokenuser]

I feel like I am watching a tennis match ...

would you like an example? okay how about the GUI? it didn't change what computers did, it in alot of cases didn't even do it better, but it change the way we use computers.<THOKK>

Nice return.

[samureye]

I went to watch a bunch of TV and this is still going on? Come on!

[ryudo]

http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/02/video-lg-prada-phone-complete-interface-walkthrough/



This was both announced AND released before iphone[and yes it can have a colour UI also) and Palm had touch screen phones YEARS AGO.

So I am sick of all the iphone "IS TEH FIRST TO DO [insert fanboy claim here]"

iphone looks cool and all but it is not the first to do anything really new from what has been announced.

The only reason iphone is getting hyped is for one reason only.

it has this logo.

http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/8596/applelogoql0.jpg


If this logo was on it...

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4079/vistalogokr6.jpg


Apple fans would be bashing it.


and I would still be thinking the same thing..f*ck all the fancy extra crap..I would still have the same question....Apple phone MS phone Prada nokia WHOEVER ..does it work well when I am trying to make a phone call...fancy stuff comes AFTER and yes I love extra stuff but if it needs to make decent quality phone calls first.

[magunwarrior]

I just saw this...

In real life, no. Online yes. Simply saying you own a Mac on some websites is "suicide". Simply saying you like an Apple product seems to always turn into a huge debate. I can name almost any Apple product, say I like it and come across at least one person on this forum that will find fault in it, question me on it or knock it in some way shape or form.

Truth be told, most people that bash Macs haven't spent more then 10 minutes using one at the Apple store (if that).

This is true, but you shouldn't have to defend your own purchase.

It's not like an argument on the internet is going to change their opinion on something.

[xibalba]

Most people who outright bash macs have never touched one. Probably never been within a 100 feet of one. I have never used a mac to my knowledge but I don't bash people who have and own them (In fact I plan on getting one). Instead of defending your choice just ignore them it is usually a troll just trying to get you to argue with them. Got to let somethings slide just knowing that your mac is better than their windows machine should be enough. :D
No need to debate it or fight about it.

[xibalba]

I figured my purchase of a zune would get me attacked online but it didn't surprised me. :D

Apple fanboys usually described as uptight egotisic people that try to debate with some facts while bashing
While microsoft fanboys are described as ignorant people who rely on the arguement you don't like just because you like apple with some facts.

Aww the world we live in no way to really win.

[ryudo]

I just saw this and thought it may lead this iPhone debate in another interesting direction...

In real life, no. Online yes. Simply saying you own a Mac on some websites is "suicide".

In short...Apple bashers are just as guilty as the fanboys.

.

#1 same goes for people who like Nintendo.(like me and yes I defend them but at times I have been harsh with them as well)

#2 I agree as harsh as my comments were I say it often and mean it I like Apple and have nothing against MS either....
I just feel as much as a person loves a certain company they should never have blind loyalty either.(not saying you do but many out there do and that is annoying)

[ariastar]

Wait - you can get the iPhone at an Apple store? Since when do they sign people up for cell plans?

[ariastar]

Okay, this will sound lame, but I get a kick out of driving past 1 Infinity Loop every night on the way to the track.

[tokenuser]

Wait - you can get the iPhone at an Apple store? Since when do they sign people up for cell plans?Since June 29.

[tokenuser]

Yes. Since June they are revolutionizing the cell phone industry by allowing sign-ups in person....at a store...and you can pay with a credit card if you want.

All totally new concepts.I heard Apple was only accepting payment in the form of "first born child" for the iPhone release. All these first born children are going to be held in "education centres" in the Mojave desert until they are old enough to infiltrate society and slowly take over the world.

That Steve Jobs might only earn $1 a year from Apple, but he is clever.

[logant]

iPhone is not only locked, but it's also locked to your SIM! Say goodnight to ever trying to sell your iPhone.

http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-will-be-locked-down-to-a-single-sim-card-att-to-charge-10-restocking-fee-265917.php

While it sounds like a bad idea at first, I’m really thinking that this was a good move on Apple/AT&T’s part. The reason is twofold; first it will cut down on theft of the iPhone. If it has no resale value, why steal it? Second, the phone will have little to no value on eBay, so this will deter people from buying the phone to simply resell it. That will mean that more iPhones will be available for customers that want to purchase it for their own use.

While I don't plan on buying the iPhone now (hopefully by June 2008) I don't really care about that.

[tokenuser]

iPhone Disappoints Developers (http://www******world.com/article/07/06/14/iPhone-disappoints-mobile-developers_1.html) (Infoworld)
Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone (http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/apple-should-pull-plug-iphone/story.aspx?guid=%7B3289E5E2-E67C-4395-8A8E-B94C1B480D4A%7D) (MarketWatch)
Companies Hang Up on Apple's iPhone (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118221943189139997.html) (Wall Street Journal)

Two sides to every argument.

This is a device for net kiddies - people that live in social networking spaces (with no "real" friends). Sure it is going to be flashy, but lack of developer and busines support is going to sink the device. Sure it will make an initial heavy splash, but ultimately it will be the next "Sidekick" - a fashionalbe accesory for the next PAris Hilton welcome home party.

[logant]

Yes, there have been other phones that incorporate an MP3 player and video player into the phone. But IMO, the iPhone is the first to do it where the iPod part actually feels like a different device. While other phones seem like they are just a phone with some player controls put on.

[tokenuser]

Apple are experts at sales and marketing - making things soudn revolutionary or unique is one thing, spinning things out so that they create a need (real or perceived - it makes no difference) is what they are good at. Part of this is through brand loyalty, part of this is through very careful marketing to the correct demographics.

This is Tech Sales 101, and the text books they are using are "Selling the Invisible (http://www.beckwithpartners.com/sellingtheinvisible.aspx)" (Beckwith) and "Solution Selling (http://www.amazon.com/Solution-Selling-Creating-Difficult-Markets/dp/0786303158)" (Bosworth). Between these two, you know pretty much everything you need to to develop a marketing campaign for a technology market/product/solution/service, even for things that there is currently no (or minimal) market for by creating the hype required to drive the sales.

[darknessgp]

...
I guess my answer to "why is there all this hype about the iPhone" is: "It's because we don't care about spending our money on anything that Apple makes."

yep. Some people will pay anything for anything that has an Apple logo on it. And let's face it, Apple has a good track record, but $600 for a iPod with a phone? Hell, I think $250 for a 30 GB iPod is stupid. I bought a Creative Zen Vision:M for around $170 and I personally like it more. Definitely supports more video formats, and ultimately does what I want for a decent price.

[tokenuser]

Yea, it also doesn't have a TV-Out, or any sort of MMS capability. But don't worry, you can touch it with two fingers. Remember, this iPhone is going to be the future.

Hey George!!!! How many fingers should you need to use a telephone?



















http://dragonladysworld.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/bush_flipping_finger.jpg

There ya go. The leader of the free world thinks that two fingers are one finger too many :D

[ryudo]

I have heard that the call quality sucks (so that defeats it's #1 purpose) and can take up to 2 minutes to connect to the internet. WTF? I can deal with other features being a bit slow but if it's #1 most important feature is crap then I can only see Apple blind faithfuls hyping and loving this thing even if it gave them cancer.


Oh well I don't like cell phones...I still want a Mac net to my PC (I like options);)

[darknessgp]

Hey George!!!! How many fingers should you need to use a telephone?
http://dragonladysworld.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/bush_flipping_finger.jpg

There ya go. The leader of the free world thinks that two fingers are one finger too many :D

Have to agree with this, but even more so the only "feature" they have that uses more than 1 finger (a.k.a. the need for multi-touch) has been zooming...

The technology is awesome, but for a phone it's not worth it esp. when you can accomplish the same with a normal touchscreen. It should also be noted that multi-touch inherently allows any number of inputs (a.k.a. fingers), assuming that the computer has the power to process all of them at the same time.

[darknessgp]

I think the iPhone is alot like the Apple TV in many ways. It's really cool, has alot of potential but has some areas it needs to make some improvements on first. This is the first cellphone Apple has ever created. Just imagine what version 2 of the iPhone will be like.

and there are already devices out there that do the same thing, but better because they support more formats? You said it was a lot like the AppleTV, to which there are already products like it without the stupid format limitation or any of the other Apple shit.

I remember a Japanese phone companies response when the iPhone was first announced, "So what? We've had phones like that for years."

[ryudo]

As for apple tv if you have TVersity free software you can use the Wii ans a full media device or 360 or PS3 (PS3 already a full media device) but with the Apple TV UI or using Orb free software to stream anything you want to Wii or other devices/consoles, I use my PC to stream anything I want.

So I don't see much need to buy a Apple TV esp when my PC has a MUCH LARGER HDD.

[logant]

The iPhone has already been topped. It's called the N95.

I don't need to hold the phone in my hands to compare the specs of the phone.

Again, it doesn't hold up at all to other more advanced smart phones.

Yes but the N95 to the average user is:

Thick and expensive

While it does have a 5 megapixel camera, I don't need that. I also don't need GPS or for it to be unlocked. The N95 is a bad argument, it just makes the iPhone look better and cheaper, to me. Also, I seriously can't imagine paying 800 dollars for a cellphone that doesn't have a QWERTY keyboard. That's not to say I think the first iPhone will be great.

[tokenuser]

So if the iPhone is so crappy and offers nothing new then why is it getting great reviews from people? Why do almost all the major news and technology sites that reviewed it says it lives up to the hype?Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Tech journalists are sheep. Apple does not indiscriminately give out test devices to reviewers. It gives them to people/companies that will give a favourable review.

Almost all the "major news and technology sites" are using the same copy from the same authors (how many times has David Pogue reviewed the phone so far?).

The iPhone is living up to the hype, but only for limited features that are being spun by Apple as the key marketing points.

1. Its a cellphone. The purpose of a cellphone is to make telephone calls. If call quality is not there, then it will fail as a cellphone.
2. Its a cellular enabled PDA ... but as mentioned, up to 2 minutes to connect to the intarwebs using 2G (2.5G?) EDGE technology means that it is alreay a generation behind where it needs to be in terms of speed. Another failure.
3. Calling plans with AT&T. Is there a reason why they are being so secretive about them? Could it be that they will cost a small fortune?
4. iPod ... with 4GB or 8GB of RAM. OK, this is cool. But from what I recall, the actual memory available to you is more like 3GB and 7GB (and is that an "engineering" GB or a "marketing" GB?). For the record GhostRider is a bit under 600MB, and Breach is a little over 700MB, and an episode of Lost comes it at around 90MB. So, as a movie player it will hold a decent number of movies/TV.
5. Battery life. OK, this has been improved, and is now at the 7hr mark for video playback, 24hr for audio, 6hr for internet, and 8hrs talk/10days standby. Time will tell how accurate these numbers are -especially if video is being played. BUT, if the battery dies (as it has for iPods, and does for cellphones all the time), you are SOL - because it is not a consumer replacable item.
6. SIM cards locked ... and internal. WTF? You have just removed a huge advantage of GSM.
7. Development platform. I probably have more experience here in developing apps for phones than anyone else on the forums (I keep the details quiet though). Using a thin client paradigm is a good move for a connected device. But not all devices are cellular, and things such as games are best as standalone items. Lack of a dev kit is going to hamper acceptance. IF there was a dev kit available that was not thin client (web app) based I would be all over this as a platform.

There are lots more arguements against the iPhone, but for me the biggest is that it is a 1.0 device. NEVER buy 1.0.

Rumour has it that iPhone 2.0 with removable media, battery, and SIM will be released in December. THAT device has the potential for being a killer.

[xibalba]

$59.99 to $ 99.99 a month are the plans for the iPhone...I'd rather pay 30-40 bucks a month for a phone, getting the phone really cheap, and have my mp3 player separate Instead of paying 500 bucks for a phone. Waste of money.

[darknessgp]

Specs aren't everything. You can't fully judge it until you used it. Looking at the video demonstrations I think I'll like it. It looks like it will do everything I need and seems like it is going to be very easy to use (one of the nicests UI's I've ever seen on a smart phone). Personally, i could care less if it has a TV out or not...I don't need that on my phone.

This isn't just a phone either. It's an iPod, the most advanced iPod ever released actually.

This post has contradictions.

You say you can't judge it until you use it, yet you say the video demonstrations make you like it... So how is that different than looking at specs and going "I think I'll like that"?

You don't care that it doesn't have tv out, since it is a phone... yet, you then say it's not just a phone, it's an ipod even more than that you say it's "the most advanced iPod ever" but how can it be when unlike most video iPods there is no tv out.

[tokenuser]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1268/641427734_016f5a7e3e.jpg

Aahhhhh. That hit the spot ... nothing better than some Apple Kool Aid on a hot summer's afternoon.

[logant]

Damn, you guys all have ****ing reading comprehension problems. Yes, the N95 isn't for everyone as not everyone wants all that packed into a cell phone. Just don't come in here trying to say: "iPhone is the first to do this, iPhone is the first to do that!" Because Nokia has already been there and done that.

That's the only point I've been trying to make. Maybe it will sink in this time for some of you.

I never said the iPhone is the first phone to do anything. I'm just saying I understand why people would prefer to iPhone to the N95 or any other phone.

[comhcinc]

New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/27/technology/circuits/27pogue.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)
"As it turns out, much of the hype and some of the criticisms are justified. The iPhone is revolutionary; it’s flawed. It’s substance; it’s style. It does things no phone has ever done before; it lacks features found even on the most basic phones."


Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118289311361649057.html?mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo)
"We have been testing the iPhone for two weeks, in multiple usage scenarios, in cities across the country. Our verdict is that, despite some flaws and feature omissions, the iPhone is, on balance, a beautiful and breakthrough handheld computer. Its software, especially, sets a new bar for the smart-phone industry, and its clever finger-touch interface, which dispenses with a stylus and most buttons, works well, though it sometimes adds steps to common functions."


Newsweek (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19444948/site/newsweek/page/0/)
"And there it is: one of the most hyped consumer products ever comes pretty close to justifying the bombast"


seems like people who have played with it like it...........

[tokenuser]

Oh, look at that ...

Stories by David Pogue, Walt Mossberg, and Steven Levy all stating how much the love the iPhone. What a ****ing surprise.

[logant]

Oh, look at that ...

Stories by David Pogue, Walt Mossberg, and Steven Levy all stating how much the love the iPhone. What a ****ing surprise.

It looks like they said it's good but has some shortcomings. I don't see how that is biased. Would it be unbiased if they just hated the thing?

[comhcinc]

Oh, look at that ...

Stories by David Pogue, Walt Mossberg, and Steven Levy all stating how much the love the iPhone. What a ****ing surprise.

ah you are better than that. i don't know who these guys but i found the stories to be well written and didn't seem biased to me. the wsj artcle was very good.

[tokenuser]

ah you are better than that. i don't know who these guys but i found the stories to be well written and didn't seem biased to me. the wsj artcle was very good.They are all IT journalists that are well known to have a favourable view on all Apple products. To be honest, their articles were fairly well balanced, however if the tables were turned and this was the new msPhone they would have played down the positives and played up the negatives.

Knowing who they are unfortunately biases me with some skepticism about what they are saying ... kinda like getting all your news from Fox.

[darknessgp]

<sarcasm>So this whole thing is a huge conspiracy? Apple must be out to take over the world.</sarcasm>

People like the iPhone because there really isn't another phone quite like it. ALL phones that are a little different get more attention then others. Remember when the Razr first came out? What about the LG Chocolate? This is yet another unique phone so it's getting lots of attention however there are other things that are contributing to the hype. Here is a basic non technical list on why there is so much hype surrounding the iPhone.

1) It's unique
2) It's from Apple, a company with a loyal fan base
3) It's an iPod (people love iPods, any kind of new iPod gets attention)
4) Apple is doing a great job marketing it

I agree with comhcinc, I thought the articles were well written and fair.

1) Meh, that's debatable.
2) Yea, maybe too loyal. I'd say many are willing to go down with Apple if Apple begins to fall.
3) Yea, but that's no excuse for the phone part to suck any. And for the ~$350 more (based on $600 iPhone and a 30GB $250 iPod) It better damn sure be way more than just an iPod with a phone.
4) Marketing or hyping? Is there a difference to Apple?

[comhcinc]

1) Meh, that's debatable.
everything is debatable, but it is in fact unique
1)2) Yea, maybe too loyal. I'd say many are willing to go down with Apple if Apple begins to fall.
what? that makes not sense. are you saying if apple goes out of bussiness people will die?
1)3) Yea, but that's no excuse for the phone part to suck any. And for the ~$350 more (based on $600 iPhone and a 30GB $250 iPod) It better damn sure be way more than just an iPod with a phone. from everything i have read the phone part is pretty good and it is more that an ipod with a phone. it has a camera and interweb stuff as well. you are right it does cost too much, but i think ipods cost too much too so do hondas while we are talking about it. but hell a company has the right to charge what they want to right?
1)4) Marketing or hyping? Is there a difference to Apple?
marketing is hype.

[xibalba]

http://iphonekiller.ytmnd.com/

[comhcinc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZrr7AZ9nCY

[samureye]

"Sorry, Apple faithful: It's not worth the hype."
There is a message 50 seconds in...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ASjH7X-jAY4

[tokenuser]

MSNBC had negative things to say about Apple?! I wonder why...Perhaps, but msNBC are generally fairly non-biased.

[comhcinc]

Perhaps, but msNBC are generally fairly non-biased.

true and so is this article, if you read the whole thing instead of the cut and paste version rush put up.

basic gist of the article is that iphone is "overhyped". i don't agree with that. i don't think there is such a thing as overhyped. it is all word of mouth, i mean that is what we are doing right now. even if you don't like the phone, by sitting around on the interwebz and talking about how you don't like it is part of the hype.

[masherscf]

I don't know what the hubub is about. The iPhone is only available from one service provider. There are entire states in the northeast that aren't covered by their networks.

[mushroom]

I was at walmart today at around 4:30/5:00 and there was a small group of pepole about 6 or 7 waiting in the electronic section in the store a women(she look like the manger) came up and ask what was they doing waiting around the pepole said "we are waiting for the iphone" the women bust out laughing and without missing a beat she said "We don't sell phones that cost more than our computers".

[comhcinc]

Shortly after beginning the shutdown process of AMPS and TDMA networks, and just hours before the launch the EDGE-capable iPhone, a number of users are reportedly seeing dramatic increases in EDGE throughput. After questioning whether the mobile was actually using WiFi, a New Yorker began to see if fellow AT&T customers across the nation were also noticing the substantial boost in speeds; sure enough, it looks like quite a few others are seeing speeds upwards of 200Kbps. Of course, the usual banter over the legitimacy of speed tests conducted on mobiles inevitably ensued, but we're leaving it up to you. So, dear readers, hop on AT&T's 2.5G highway and give it a go, but be sure to return and let us know whether the increases are for real.

[Thanks, Peter]

Update: We tried some speed tests on an EDGE handset ourselves, and though it's been a little inconsistent, we've been shocked to find a number of runs over 200kbps. True, these kinds of speeds are theoretically possible (actually, little known fact, the ITU technically defines EDGE as a 3G standard), but we'd never expect to see them in practice. Should make the iPhone's browsing experience a little more bearable if it holds up!LINK (http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/06/28/atandt-customers-seeing-sudden-boost-in-edge-speeds/)

[logant]

It does some things I wish the iPhone could do but it also does a lot of things I could care less about and it costs $800. I can get an iPhone for $500 but the starting price on this baby is $800. I'll pass.

Ps. The iPhone is prettier too. :P

I prefer Apple's way of giving you just what you need (most of the time) rather than just throwing a bunch of features in just for the sake of throwing in a bunch of features.

I don't care about a 5 megapixel camera phone.
I also don't need GPS
I don't need video recording
Nor do I care for a removable battery.
I don't care for watching iPhone videos on my TV.
No MMS-I agree (But that can be added in an update)


I'd rather have a phone that does just what I want. Not some purple brick that cost $800 that has too many features that I don't care for.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/78/myphotoqy2.png

However, I do think that the iPhone will get most of those features by Gen 2.

[logant]

You are still missing the point of this argument. It's not about if you are wanting a phone to do all of that. That's perfectly fine that you don't. The point is, the iPhone is not revolutionary in what it does since there are phones that do so much more already, and it's certainly not the "first" to do anything except allow double touch.

Weird how you have to post something 100 times before someone finally reads it. Maybe this time it will sink in.

Oh, sucks to be you then. I guess you'll hate the 2nd gen iPhone then.

Why would I hate the 2nd gen iPhone?

[logant]

You are still missing the point of this argument. It's not about if you are wanting a phone to do all of that. That's perfectly fine that you don't. The point is, the iPhone is not revolutionary in what it does since there are phones that do so much more already, and it's certainly not the "first" to do anything except allow double touch.

Weird how you have to post something 100 times before someone finally reads it. Maybe this time it will sink in.

I never said it was revolutionary. I also don't consider the N95 revolutionary as you seem to imply.

Oh, sucks to be you then. I guess you'll hate the 2nd gen iPhone then.

No. I'm saying I wouldn't mind if some features like 3G or MMS or video recording came to the iPhone. I however do not think it's a deal killer right now. And guess what? The N95 has 3G, the N95 however only runs on EDGE in America.

It's $749, and as I have already pointed out, the iPhone costs more over a lifetime. You are not mentioning the 2 year $60 a month contract you have to sign to use the phone, and the ability to NEVER sell the iPhone.

So are you saying you don't have to have a service plan to use the N95? You can just buy one and it comes with an unlimited service plan that you never have to pay any money per month to use the phone? If so, then sign me up! And what are you talking about? There are already people selling the iPhone on eBay right now.

FYI, the N95 is lighter than the iPhone. Or should I say iBrick.

Point taken. I however would rather have something that's nice and thin rather than something lighter in which you probably couldn't tell the difference.

Also, funny that you decide to only respond to one point. I guess that means all the other ones I made are valid.

No, your original post said this

You are still missing the point of this argument. It's not about if you are wanting a phone to do all of that. That's perfectly fine that you don't. The point is, the iPhone is not revolutionary in what it does since there are phones that do so much more already, and it's certainly not the "first" to do anything except allow double touch.

Weird how you have to post something 100 times before someone finally reads it. Maybe this time it will sink in.

Oh, sucks to be you then. I guess you'll hate the 2nd gen iPhone then.

I didn't answer the first question because I've already answered it before. You then went back and edited your post to add more questions to make it look like I only answered one question.

[comhcinc]

so i am waiting on all the negative iphone reviews that are suppose to be coming in.

[comhcinc]

Good, I'm glad we cleared this debate up finally. The iPhone is not revolutionary, and is over-hyped as being so..
nope you are wrong and unless you are willing to respond to this we will all take it as you admitting as such
Correct. I can pay month by month if I want, and stop anytime. iPhone users will have to pay $1440 before their contract expires if they decide to stop using the phone. Oh, and then after that, it becomes a paper weight as they cannot sell the phone.

the two year contract is for any new customers, which is pretty standard. if you was already an AT&T customer there is no extra cost, other than the data plan ($20) which is also standard. as it has been point out you can buy iphones on ebay right now.

[comhcinc]

Our first iPhone bugs
Posted by Robert Graham at 8:18 PM

Yup. After waiting a day to get the darn thing activated, we found a bug within a few minutes. We are cheating, of course, it's just the same bug we found earlier on Safari. Also, our Bluetooth fuzzer locks up the device, so that's an interesting sign. (As we've said in the past, we'll disclose all our bugs to Apple when they publish acceptable vuln handling guidelines).

The thing that interests us most, though, is that we think the iPhone is inherently more secure than competing smartphones (such as those based on Windows Mobile or Symbian). While Apple is slightly behind Windows on the desktop/server (that Samba bug still appears to be unfixed), it's still light years ahead of the mobile vendors. The mobile market is completely screwed up right now: while carriers know about the widespread vulnerabilities in their phones, the carriers are unwilling to patch them.

Apple is taking a chance. Rather than allowing carriers like at&t/Cingular to control the mobile experience, Apple is controlling the experience through iTunes. Financial analysts on Wall Street are waiting to see whether this strategy will work. Security is an are that can prove Apple right if they respond to security threats better than the carriers.

We think Apple will win that battle. When we activated the phone, iTunes told us it was going to look for updates on July 5, 2007. That's a good sign. We've reported a vuln in a another smartphone 6 months ago that still hasn't gotten patched, mostly because that carrier doesn't want to. If Apple can push a fix for one of our bugs before this carrier fixes their bug, that might convince Wall Street that their strategy is better.

At the same time, Apple is going to have the same problem that Windows has. While they may have better theoretical security, they are going to be a bigger target. Hackers know a lot more about breaking into Mac OS X than they do competing platforms like Windows Mobile or Symbian. Thus, even though Apple will patch sooner, they'll also have more bugs to patch because of increased hacker interest.LINK (http://erratasec.blogspot.com/2007/07/our-first-iphone-bugs.html)

[tokenuser]

Gartner: Keep The iPhone Out Of The Corporate Enterprise

Gartner analysts are warning IT administrators to take one great big step back away from the iPhone.

While generally it's a good idea to enable workers to use their favorite personal tech on the job, that's not the case with the iPhone -- at least not yet, said Ken Dulaney, VP of mobile computing at Gartner.

(Linkage (http://www******rmationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=200001726))

[masherscf]

Gartner: Keep The iPhone Out Of The Corporate Enterprise

Gartner analysts are warning IT administrators to take one great big step back away from the iPhone.

Is this be positive proof that the iPhone is too much trouble or too much fun?

[tokenuser]

Is this be positive proof that the iPhone is too much trouble or too much fun?At the moment, its too much trouble to support in a corporate environment. We are not talking "Joe's Realty" here (they ask who the heck Gartner are anyway), we are talking Fortune 1000 companies with large IT infrastructures.

I know my companies app is actually well suited to running on the iPhone though :) (since it is has a Microbrowser component for offline/remote access).

[masherscf]

At the moment, its too much trouble to support in a corporate environment. We are not talking "Joe's Realty" here (they ask who the heck Gartner are anyway), we are talking Fortune 1000 companies with large IT infrastructures.

I know my companies app is actually well suited to running on the iPhone though :) (since it is has a Microbrowser component for offline/remote access).

I thought that they were afraid that the employees would waste time at YouTube. I guess, I'm not a Gartner reader either.

[lefrenzy]

did they leave out Flash & Java because of its vulnerability with such a brand-new product? They didn't want to see a bunch of iPhone crashes or something?

Is that the reason, or was it simply too hard to make it work by deadline?

[comhcinc]

did they leave out Flash & Java because of its vulnerability with such a brand-new product? They didn't want to see a bunch of iPhone crashes or something?


i think you peg it right there. apple wants this roll out to go perfect, so they held off on a lot of things. they will be thrid party apps in time. i don't know if there will be flash but i really think there will.

[phatlip]

I thought it would be fun to bring back this thread. It's been a few years now, but I wanted to bring up a debate we had and reflect on a few comments:

"The device is evolutionary, not revolutionary like the folks in Cupertino would have you believe."
-TokenUser

"The point is, the iPhone is not revolutionary..."
-Crumbles

"i don't think it's any one feature that makes it revolutionary, more how everything is suppose to work and flow together. it's a better mousetrap."
-comhcinc

In just a few years, the iPhone has completely changed the market. Just about all smart phones have gone through so many significant changes as a result of the iPhone. Mobile computing on a smartphone is now a completely different world. The iPhone is the device all other smartphones now model themselves after.

I think it's fair to say it was a revolutionary device. It changed everything.

Ps. Before all the comments roll in no, I'm not a fanboy. I don't own an iPhone and never have. I have a Droid Eris and before that a Blackberry Storm. Two phones heavily influenced by the iPhone though. :)

[damnedeyez]

Before all the comments roll in no, I'm not a fanboy.

True or not, it's amusing seeing you say that after that post and with that icon.

Personally, I'm just tired of almost every place saying "check out our iPhone app!"...but nothing for other smart phones.

[phatlip]

True or not, it's amusing seeing you say that after that post and with that icon.

Personally, I'm just tired of almost every place saying "check out our iPhone app!"...but nothing for other smart phones.

Really doesn't mean anything. If I'm wearing a Baltimore Ravens jersey it doesn't mean I'm one of those douche bags who is going to get in a fist fight all because someone said the Ravens sucks. There's a difference between being a fan of something, and being a fanboy. :)

Personally, I'm just tired of almost every place saying "check out our iPhone app!"...but nothing for other smart phones.

I'm beginning to see them for Android though! :)

[emeric28]

I have been meaning to buy an iphone unfortunately in our country it is exclusively distributed by Globe Telecoms and currently they are out of stock of these units. It is frustrating.

[jerryh273]

huh, interesting

[phatlip]

huh, interesting

You've made 3 posts on the site thus far, and every single one of them were pointless and added nothing to the conversation.

Mods, is this a spam bot?