View Full Version : Mark Waid Taking Over 'Flash'
chris-from-long-island
06-16-2007, 03:12 AM
Article is here http://www.newsarama.com/heroes_philly07/DC/flash.html
http://www.newsarama.com/heroes_philly07/DC/FLS-Cv232_solicit_t.jpg
Waid's run on Flash is legendary. I hope he can do it again
labor_days
06-16-2007, 03:52 AM
Wait a sec, I'm a bit confued by all this. So, Guggenheim is out and they're picking up where the last volume left off? I thought Guggenheim was exclusive to DC.
In any case, Guggenheim's Wolverine stint was ace but his Flash run didn't grab me at all. Waid writes good action books though. I'll probably give it another shot.
chris-from-long-island
06-16-2007, 04:25 AM
Wait a sec, I'm a bit confued by all this. So, Guggenheim is out and they're picking up where the last volume left off? I thought Guggenheim was exclusive to DC.
In any case, Guggenheim's Wolverine stint was ace but his Flash run didn't grab me at all. Waid writes good action books though. I'll probably give it another shot.
Guggenheim is on for one more issue which is going to be the last issue of flash fastest man alive and than Mark Waid doing a one shot called All Star Flash with a slew of artists and than there starting another ongoing
labor_days
06-16-2007, 05:02 AM
YEs, I got that bit. But why start another Flash ongoing and what's up with Guggenheim? What's he doing next?
(p.s. Was Flash: Fastest Man Alive in trouble sales wise? I thought everyone but me loved it.)
humphrey-lee
06-16-2007, 05:05 AM
YEs, I got that bit. But why start another Flash ongoing and what's up with Guggenheim? What's he doing next?
(p.s. Was Flash: Fastest Man Alive in trouble sales wise? I thought everyone but me loved it.)
It's had about a 50% drop off in sales since issue one. That's not so good. They need a way to drum up some hype and get that franchise back on track. I have a feeling Mr. Wally West will be rearing his head into the mix again soon to help this along.
s-sanchez
06-16-2007, 06:58 AM
Funny, I remember Waid saying in word balloon that he wasnt coming back to Flash or Bart, because he's said all he could say or something like that.
Bart needs Waid, so I'm happy, but I thought Guggenheim was doing a great job. Hopefully this doesnt mean that Bart is going away or dying.
BOO to that.
s-sanchez
06-16-2007, 07:01 AM
Oh and Acuna is perfect for the Flash. The way he drew speedsters in Uncle Sam was great
darron
06-16-2007, 06:26 PM
That's a bummer. I'm really enjoying Flash right now....I like Bart a lot. But I have a feeling Humphrey is right about Wally coming back, which would mean Bart is going bye-bye.
Well, I guess it's not a bummer. I have one of Waid's Flash trades and it is very good. Guess we'll have to see how this pans out.
Someone mentioned All-Star Flash...are they (DC) gonna 'All-Star' all their major characters at some point? We got the Trinity secured....I could see an All-Star Green Lantern, or an All-Star Geo-Force coming around the bend.
acomicbookgirl
06-16-2007, 06:52 PM
Oh and Acuna is perfect for the Flash. The way he drew speedsters in Uncle Sam was great
Acuņa is on board. Hmm.. I've becoming a sucker for his stuff as of late. He's doing the art on the last couple of issues of Green Lantern. Damn it! I seriously need to cut back..
s-sanchez
06-17-2007, 08:53 AM
http://www.newsarama.com/heroes_philly07/DC/sat/Flash13.jpg
This is making me angry already.
Seriously...dont kill Bart.
labor_days
06-17-2007, 04:31 PM
...All-Star Geo-Force...I chuckled as I read this.
paulsharkey
06-17-2007, 10:23 PM
I am not sure how I feel about this at all. On one hand I loved Mark Waids flash from about 90 to 120 or so, it was possibly the best comic DC was publishing at the time, but on the other hand it did get really bad near the end of his run. This and the fact I love Guiganham (eh not sure how to spell it and too lazy to look it up) run so far.
I think it comes down to if Waid has anything new to say about the Flash.
labor_days
06-17-2007, 10:43 PM
Just out of curiosity, does anyone actually know what Guggenheim is doing next?
(Forgive me if this is answered elsewhere, I haven't been up on the latest comics news.)
conorkilpatrick
06-18-2007, 04:55 AM
I have no idea what to make of this news. Anyone at our live show can attest to the collective iFanboy shock when someone told us the news. Mark Waid's Flash was one of the best modern day runs in all of comics. No one seemed to get the world of the speedsters quite like he did. I should be excited, right? Problem is - you can't go home again, right? I dunno. We'll see.
Damn you, Tom Wolfe.
paulsharkey
06-18-2007, 07:34 PM
"You can't go home again" sums it up nicely. I was just trying to think of a writer that came back to a title he did for an extended amount of time and that didn't seem weaker than than there orignal run and I can't.
"I can't belive it's not the Justice League" should have been a warning shot for Waid.
Now that I think about it his second run on Cap was not as good as his first.
I think Guigandium (?????????????) is on a Wolverine project, as I don't think he is just with DC. I seem to remember hearing that somewhere.
labor_days
06-18-2007, 07:44 PM
This thread has piqued my interest in Waid's Flash run. Might have to pick up some of those trades.
conorkilpatrick
06-18-2007, 07:56 PM
I think Guigandium (?????????????) is on a Wolverine project, as I don't think he is just with DC. I seem to remember hearing that somewhere.
Marc Guggenheim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Guggenheim).
paper
06-18-2007, 08:00 PM
How are the Geoff Johns' Flash books? Waid and Johns both wrote Wally, right? Or did one of them write Barry? It's impossible to tell them apart if you're not a Flash fan.
mikegraham6
06-18-2007, 08:06 PM
How are the Geoff Johns' Flash books? Waid and Johns both wrote Wally, right? Or did one of them write Barry? It's impossible to tell them apart if you're not a Flash fan.
I've only read one Johns Flash trade (the one which introduces ZOOM) and it's pretty good. the best part of his run is how he handles the villains. He turned some pretty cheesy characters into complete badasses. Captain Cold springs to mind as a particular favorite.
paper
06-18-2007, 08:07 PM
Yeah, I was kinda interested in reading more about the Rogues, and from what I gather it was Johns who did all the stuff with Piper and so forth.
conorkilpatrick
06-18-2007, 08:08 PM
How are the Geoff Johns' Flash books? Waid and Johns both wrote Wally, right? Or did one of them write Barry? It's impossible to tell them apart if you're not a Flash fan.
They both wrote Wally. Johns' run is very good too. I prefer Waid's, Ron prefers Johns'. Can't go wrong with either, though.
Mark Waid wrote Flash #62-129 (co-writer #118-129); #142-159; Flash Annual #5-6, 8
Geoff Johns wrote The Flash #164-225; The Flash #1/2; The Flash: Iron Heights #1; The Flash: Our Worlds at War #1; The Flash Secret Files and Origins #3
I think I'm excited about this now. I am very good at convincing myself to change my mind, apparently.
mikegraham6
06-18-2007, 08:09 PM
They both wrote Wally. Johns' run is very good too. I prefer Waid's, Ron prefers Johns'. Can't go wrong with either, though.
Mark Waid wrote Flash #62-129 (co-writer #118-129); #142-159; Flash Annual #5-6, 8
Geoff Johns wrote The Flash #164-225; The Flash #1/2; The Flash: Iron Heights #1; The Flash: Our Worlds at War #1; The Flash Secret Files and Origins #3
I think I'm excited about this now. I am very good at convincing myself to change my mind, apparently.
I also read that Mark Millar and Grant Morrison once tackled the Flash. Are those runs any good?
conorkilpatrick
06-18-2007, 08:20 PM
I also read that Mark Millar and Grant Morrison once tackled the Flash. Are those runs any good?
Millar & Morrison co-wrote The Flash #130-138. It was pretty good, as I recall.
Now all we need is Greg Rucka to do a stint on The Flash and we'll have the entire 52 crew.
paper
06-18-2007, 08:28 PM
Thanks for the rundown, Conor. After I catch up on Green Arrow I might start up on Flash. My DC wishlist is endless!
paulsharkey
06-18-2007, 08:40 PM
Marc Guggenheim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Guggenheim).
Man I was way off.
paulsharkey
06-18-2007, 09:02 PM
They both wrote Wally. Johns' run is very good too. I prefer Waid's, Ron prefers Johns'. Can't go wrong with either, though.
Mark Waid wrote Flash #62-129 (co-writer #118-129); #142-159; Flash Annual #5-6, 8
Geoff Johns wrote The Flash #164-225; The Flash #1/2; The Flash: Iron Heights #1; The Flash: Our Worlds at War #1; The Flash Secret Files and Origins #3
I think I'm excited about this now. I am very good at convincing myself to change my mind, apparently.
Also Waids run on Impulse was Gold.
paulsharkey
06-18-2007, 10:31 PM
Apparently it's gonna be Wally West (according to LITG).
Is it just me or does the Alien on the cover of Waids first new flash seem familiar. Has that appeared in Flash before I keep thinking it did around 103 or so. I could check but my old comics are in the attic.
conorkilpatrick
06-18-2007, 10:36 PM
Is it just me or does the Alien on the cover of Waids first new flash seem familiar. Has that appeared in Flash before I keep thinking it did around 103 or so. I could check but my old comics are in the attic.
http://www.newsarama.com/heroes_philly07/DC/FLS-Cv232_solicit_t.jpg
It reminds me vaguely of a Manhunter.
big-doze
06-19-2007, 02:43 AM
Wikipedia, as we all know, is an irreproachable source for the most accurate information on the internet, exhaustively researched and supported by myriad resources.
If you're at all interested in a potential spoiler for Flash:FMA #13, take a gander. If not, wait two days.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_Allen
Ye be warned.
labor_days
06-19-2007, 04:34 AM
If you haven't seen the Flash teaser yet...
http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/797/797160/justice-league-of-america-20070616092515573.jpg
darron
06-19-2007, 04:41 AM
Also for those interested, there's a three-page preview of Flash #13 over at IGN Comics. (http://comics.ign.com/articles/797/797319p1.html)
http://www.newsarama.com/heroes_philly07/DC/FLS-Cv232_solicit_t.jpg
It reminds me vaguely of a Manhunter.
Reminds me of Heroes for Hire. (Man I've gotta let that die)...
BUt Seriously, I'm excited and worried here...generally I love Waid's stuff, but look at Claremonts return to the X-universe, at some point stories have been told, you know?
I've loved the Flash for a while now though, so I've gotta be on board.
paper
06-19-2007, 03:54 PM
Preview looks good. I dropped after 11, but I think I'll go back and grab 12 so I can enjoy 13 this week.
so is the book rebooting the numbering after this one?
iSteve
06-19-2007, 04:02 PM
I hate to say it but I'm so glad that this ill-conceived series is over. I'm looking forward to the restart with the regular Flash series. But my question is who is going to be the Flash - Bart or Wally?
litg is saying it's wally
The concept makes sense if it's Wally. New Series for Bart, something happens, Wally comes back, return to old numbering....
iSteve
06-19-2007, 04:05 PM
litg is saying it's wally
So what are they going to do with Bart? He can't be Kid Flash again - especially now that he all grown up.
paper
06-19-2007, 04:06 PM
DC lists a 14 and 15 after this with Guggenheim and Daniels as the creative team. Maybe it goes back to 1 after that.
I think he dies right? I'm so utterly confused by the whole Flash thing. I've been enjoying the book, but it blows my mind when I think about it all. It's a lot to track.
DC lists a 14 and 15 after this with Guggenheim and Daniels as the creative team. Maybe it goes back to 1 after that.
nice thanks
conorkilpatrick
06-19-2007, 04:12 PM
so is the book rebooting the numbering after this one?
Maybe it goes back to 1 after that.
From the article:
And before the Waid-penned series officially starts with new (or, technically, old) numbering -- picking up at #231 where it left off when The Flash series ended with #230 in January 2006 -- DC will release a special issue called All Flash #1 in September. Written by Waid, the issue will feature work by a slew of DC artists, including Acuna, Karl Kershl, Shane Davis and Joe Bennett.
here's an odd bit of news
Newsarama has DC's full September solicits and The Flash is #232
From the article:
And before the Waid-penned series officially starts with new (or, technically, old) numbering -- picking up at #231 where it left off when The Flash series ended with #230 in January 2006 -- DC will release a special issue called All Flash #1 in September. Written by Waid, the issue will feature work by a slew of DC artists, including Acuna, Karl Kershl, Shane Davis and Joe Bennett.
that's funny
we posted at more or less the same time
paper
06-19-2007, 04:14 PM
We skimmed and lost, Fred. Thanks, Conor.
mikegraham6
06-19-2007, 04:50 PM
but they can't kill bart yet, there isn't a crisis going on. Isn't that the only time Flashes die?
DC needs to wait until we reach Countdown #0
darron
06-19-2007, 04:59 PM
but they can't kill bart yet, there isn't a crisis going on. Isn't that the only time Flashes die?
Whenever this guy
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/5/54/200px-BlackFlash.jpg
shows his rotten face, a Flash dies.
paulsharkey
06-19-2007, 08:13 PM
http://www.newsarama.com/heroes_philly07/DC/FLS-Cv232_solicit_t.jpg
It reminds me vaguely of a Manhunter.
This is what I was talking about and it looks nothing like it.
http://www.fourthhorseman.com/Flash/iss104.htm
charlesdacriticczar
06-19-2007, 09:23 PM
For the most part I've enjoyed Bart's stepping up to the plate as the Flash. Although some of it was god awful, but it's had a upswing as of late...to bad it's going away. I'm all giddy about Waid coming back to Flash, although I read most of Waid's Flash when I was younger I was more into Marvel and the X-menat the time so it was wasted on me. Johns run brought me back into buying comics on a regular schedule again, after I left them behind once I went to college. I still read Waid's introduction of Bart Allen in the 1st Impulse trade.
conorkilpatrick
06-19-2007, 10:41 PM
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Flash/AllFlash/ALL-FLASH1_t.jpg
charlesdacriticczar
06-19-2007, 11:45 PM
hmmmm looks like we won't have to wait long if the very nifty Countdown reminder box is correct. Looks like Wally (just guessing) is sad or scared....either way thats can't be good for the scarlet speedster.
I'm excited to see where this goes. I'll give Waid some time.
kahunablair
06-19-2007, 11:58 PM
Well I was a fan of Impulse when he first came out (I have a goggle fetish), but was never a big Flash fan.
Has his run as the Flash been that bad? Was the entire run really as big of a mess as it seems?
paper
06-20-2007, 12:03 AM
Haha, it's funny when people say "______'s run on Flash"
Because, you know...
I've only ever read the Guggenheim run and I've enjoyed it.
conorkilpatrick
06-20-2007, 03:56 AM
Has his run as the Flash been that bad? Was the entire run really as big of a mess as it seems?
The first two writers (who were so not good that their names escape me at the moment) were really not good. It's been fun since Guggenheim has been on the book.
big-doze
06-20-2007, 05:48 AM
Whenever this guy
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/5/54/200px-BlackFlash.jpg
shows his rotten face, a Flash dies.
Not necessarily. Wally outran the Black Flash to the end of time, where death had no meaning, and has outsmarted him on at least one other occasion. Just because he's there doesn't mean that Bart's gonna die...
... right? Guys?
if wally ran to the end of time then wouldn't he be dead?
see this is why the flash gives me a headache
mikegraham6
06-20-2007, 04:12 PM
if wally ran to the end of time then wouldn't he be dead?
see this is why the flash gives me a headache
I love the flash, but i do have to agree with you fred, there are definitely points in his continuity that hurt my head. I still don't understand the whole idea of hypertime....
conorkilpatrick
06-20-2007, 04:15 PM
I love the flash, but i do have to agree with you fred, there are definitely points in his continuity that hurt my head. I still don't understand the whole idea of hypertime....
Hypertime is an entire DC Universe thing, it's not just a Flash thing.
Quite simply: Every story that DC published exists in some time line or another. It's sort of like the Multiverse.
And the whole running at the speed of light thing .....
argggh
nateboegel
06-20-2007, 06:21 PM
The first two writers (who were so not good that their names escape me at the moment) were really not good. It's been fun since Guggenheim has been on the book.
That was Danny Bilson and Paul DeMeo. They were also the creators of the Flash TV series that lasted a couple of seasons. I think people were (1) expecting a lot after the two great runs by Waid and Johns and (2) had nostalgia-colored glasses for the old TV series. While it was great to see the character on screen in some form, the writing did not fit what would have been poplular in comics. They were just not the right tandem for beginning a series of what is really a core character in the DCU.
jo-relrollins
06-20-2007, 07:19 PM
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OK. I just read my JLA and my Flash book, And I got a couple of questions:
Is Bart dead?
Is Wally the new Flash?
;Mainly asking because i've always been a Wally and Bart fan(just got used to the herioc-humor-toned-down)Bart. With Wally's return along with his family. Can't wait to see what happens.
I'll read it soon. It was one of the 7 books that wasn't damaged or sold out when I went to the store. I'll get the rest on friday.
luthor
06-21-2007, 12:23 AM
OK..so I just read JLA but didn't buy the Flash(which sucks 'cause I'm gonna have to now):
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Weren't the twins babies during IC? Did they grow to teendom in the years(three right?) since?
paper
06-21-2007, 01:27 AM
Holy **** this book was good. I picked up 12 and 13 (I dropped after 11 for some odd reason) and read them first. I'm not through all of my books yet, but I'll be shocked if this isn't my pick of the month.
jo-relrollins
06-21-2007, 03:37 AM
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Ok as far as the mythos of Flash goes, aren't the twins involved in the births of Captain Boomerang JR and Bart "Impulse" Allen. And with Bart being dead( i guess) and Owen being solicited as a main stay in The Outsiders, i'm confused.
big-doze
06-21-2007, 09:50 AM
*single tear*
I'm sooooo glad that I kept away from the forums until I got home from work to read Flash #13. I was allowed to keep the slimmest glimmer of hope alive for Bart, but sadly, 'tis not to be.
Mark Gugennhein now has my undying devotion, because he somehow managed to turn the death of my favorite character of all time into my favorite Flash comic (and certainly one of my favorite comics) of all time.
RIP Bart... for now, at least.
jo-relrollins
06-21-2007, 05:28 PM
I'm glad Mark Waid and Wally are back,but....
I'm pissed Bart's dead,he was the Speedster I grew up reading. When I got into DC's Speedsters he was it. I was enjoying the run, I mean he really grew as a character. But on the other hand I was glad they gave him a real good send off. If they bring him back(which I'm sure they will) I hope they do it in a rockin way. It was a great storyline and very fitting end to an awesome character.