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wideawakewesley

06-19-2007, 02:55 PM

Former Buffy star James Marsters will reportedly be guest starring in the second season of Torchwood.

According to the website James Marsters Live, the 44-year-old actor, famed for his role as swaggering British vampire Spike on Buffy The Vampire Slayer, will be filming his appearance in Cardiff next month.

Torchwood’s parent show Doctor Who also featured one of the leads from the Sunnydale based cult show in its second series, with Anthony Head starring in ‘School Reuinon’ last year. The creative force behind the revived Doctor Who - Russell T Davies – has often cited Buffy as a key inspiration for his show.

wideawakewesley

07-16-2007, 11:37 PM

Buffy the Vampire Slayer actor James Marsters has admitted he was so excited to appear in an episode of Torchwood that he asked to be on the show.

The star, who played Spike in the hit US series, will play a baddie in the next series of the Doctor Who spin-off.

But Marsters has admitted that he had to ask to be on the show, saying: "I am a huge fan of Doctor Who and Torchwood so it was me who knocked on their door.

"I am really excited about the character I am playing. I can't say too much about him, except he is naughty and a bit of a psychopath."

The show's creator, Russell T Davies said about the second series: "It's too early to start giving things away, but we've got some amazing guest stars, fearsome new aliens, and compelling new storylines that will push the Torchwood team further than ever before."

Torchwood has been moved from BBC3 to BBC2 following the success of the first series.

John Barrowman, who plays Capt. Jack Harkness on the BBC's Doctor Who spinoff Torchwood, told SCI FI Wire that a salacious comment made by guest star James Marsters (Buffy the Vampire Slayer) at a recent convention about his character was a completely accurate description.

"That's right," Barrowman said in an interview at the Television Critics Association press tour in Beverly Hills, Calif., on July 13. "'You're going to have to go finish yourself off at the end of it.' And he's absolutely right. And we filmed that three days ago, and it took 12 hours. I can't tell you what that was like."

Marsters is best known for playing Spike, the platinum-blond, British-born vampire with a weakness for a certain chosen one on Buffy the Vampire Slayer and its spinoff series, Angel.

Julie Gardner, executive-producer of Torchwood, said that Marsters will play an "omnisexual" character who has a past connection to Barrowman's Capt. Jack.

"We're kind of really embracing the omnisexual word, aren't we?" Gardner said in a separate interview. "They should all fancy each other. I mean, when they're as sexy as they are, you just want to believe anything's possible. There's a very big story for him in episode one. He and Jack have a very big shared history."

Marsters is now filming his episode in Cardiff, Wales, and has been enjoying the experience, by all accounts. "I heard from [Who executive producer] Russell T. Davies today, and James is having a blast," Gardner said. "He's loving it. He's really, really happy."

Torchwood will return for a second season in the United Kingdom on BBC Two in early 2008. The first season premieres in the United States on BBC America on Sept. 8 at 9 p.m. ET/PT

Man I can't wait for Torchwood to return, complete with a bucketload of omnisexuals.

tokenuser

07-17-2007, 12:04 AM

Can I just highlight something for the ADD generation ...

The first season premieres in the United States on BBC America on Sept. 8 at 9 p.m. ET/PT

Wooo hoooo!!!!!! Happy Birthday to me!!!!

(I just finished Dr Who S3 - wow. Last 5 episodes kicked serious ass)

masherscf

07-17-2007, 12:04 AM

Man I can't wait for Torchwood to return, complete with a bucketload of omnisexuals.

I'm pretty excited about it as well. Not just because of the man-on-man action. Freema Agyeman is also going to guest-star.

wideawakewesley

07-17-2007, 11:11 AM

I'm pretty excited about it as well. Not just because of the man-on-man action. Freema Agyeman is also going to guest-star.

And that excites you? Give me Rose Tyler anyday!

wideawakewesley

07-17-2007, 11:32 AM

John Barrowman, who plays Captain Jack on the BBC Two's Doctor Who spinoff Torchwood, told SCI FI Wire that the upcoming second season will reveal more about his character's complicated backstory.

"Every day I come in, or every new script I get, I learn something new about my character, which keeps it fresh," Barrowman said in an interview at the Television Critics Association summer press tour in Beverly Hills, Calif., on July 13. "And it means that when I play things, I play them differently, because I know different things about him now."

The character of Captain Jack was introduced in a two-part episode of Doctor Who and went on to appear in the final five episodes of the first season. Later, he become the leader of a secret organization at the center of the spinoff show, Torchwood. How he got from one place and time to the other is a mystery that will gradually unfold over the course of Torchwood's second season.

"You don't know the exact date when Jack returned yet," Barrowman said. "We do know he was left on Satellite Five [at the end of season one of Doctor Who]. He was brought back to life. He then came back to Earth and arrived back in another time and had to live through it to get to the point where the Doctor came back. In [season] two of Torchwood, there's some of that revealed."

In his performance, Barrowman is also now bearing in mind an intriguing new piece of information about the character, which was slipped into the end of the recent third season of Doctor Who (currently airing on the SCI FI Channel). He couldn't talk about the twist in specifics, but he did say that it came as a shock, not only to him, but also to co-star David Tennant, who plays the Doctor.

"It's always something that takes you by surprise, otherwise it wouldn't be fiction," Barrowman said. "And I love that. And that script, when it came out, David read it. We were filming at the time, and he came running to my trailer and he went, 'F--k me. Have you read this?' And I went, 'No.' And he went, 'Oh, my God. Hurry up.' I went, 'Shut up and get out of my trailer. I'm not reading it yet.' ... So then I read it, and on a lunch break I ran to his trailer and knocked on the door, and he went, 'Well?' And I went, 'F--k me!' But it's absolutely brilliant."

Season two of Torchwood will also further develop the character of Martha Jones, played by Freema Agyeman, who will be making a guest appearance in three episodes.

"It's a perfect progression for her character," Barrowman said. "Because she develops such a strong character by the end of [season] three. So if Jack needs help, who else is he going to call? Jack trusted her to save the world. So did the Doctor. So who are you going to call? Martha Jones."

The third season of Doctor Who is currently running on SCI FI Channel Fridays at 8 p.m. ET/PT. Torchwood's first season will begin airing on BBC America on Sept. 8 at 9 p.m. ET/PT.

lmao at Barrowman and Tennant discussing the S3 Dr. Who reveal.

tokenuser

07-17-2007, 01:15 PM

lmao at Barrowman and Tennant discussing the S3 Dr. Who reveal.My reaction to the reveal was the same as theirs ... and it makes so much sense :)

masherscf

07-17-2007, 02:28 PM

My reaction to the reveal was the same as theirs ... and it makes so much sense :)

I'm wondering if they were planning it all along...or it kinda just fit.

halden

07-17-2007, 02:51 PM

It has been a while since I have been shocked by a twist or surprise in a TV show and that did it. The casual manner with which it was revealed was great as well.

_aj_

07-26-2007, 11:03 PM

I like this show a lot. It is so much more ADULT!

Jeff, you need to check this show out inbetween Jeckyll episodes!

I'm not exactly sure if this is a great show or not, but it is just so different, I had to watch all of them. I'd be curious to see what you think.

-AJ

tokenuser

09-04-2007, 03:22 PM

As a reminder to those that have not seen this yet via "alternate" means - BBC America starts Torchwood on Sept 8.

tnvwboy

09-04-2007, 06:35 PM

I'll have my DVR set. The fact it's gotten a second season suggests that it won't be a turd at least. Always a risk for spin-off shows.

tokenuser

09-04-2007, 07:44 PM

I'll have my DVR set. The fact it's gotten a second season suggests that it won't be a turd at least. Always a risk for spin-off shows.No. Definately not a turd :)

In fact, I enjoy it more than Doctor Who most of the time.

masherscf

09-04-2007, 08:53 PM

No. Definately not a turd :)

In fact, I enjoy it more than Doctor Who most of the time.

Yes, "Torchwood" is not a turd.

"The Sarah Jane Adventures"... the jury is still out. I really can't get with the sonic lipstick.

wideawakewesley

09-04-2007, 09:45 PM

They've only done one episode of the Sarah Jane Adventures haven't they?

masherscf

09-04-2007, 09:51 PM

They've only done one episode of the Sarah Jane Adventures haven't they?

I've only seen one. Not getting any BBC local promotion leaves us in the dark about such things.

satori

09-05-2007, 06:32 AM

Yes, "Torchwood" is not a turd.

"The Sarah Jane Adventures"... the jury is still out. I really can't get with the sonic lipstick.

Torchwood is for a more adult audience, albeit a more sexually ambivilant audience, but still a more adult audience.
Has the Sarah Jane Adventures already started airing in the UK?

wideawakewesley

09-05-2007, 09:10 AM

I'm pretty sure they did one episode and that was it. IMDB reckons there'll be a series of 10 episodes, but so far I'm pretty sure they've only aired a pilot in the UK and that was on Jan 1st. It's aimed directly at kids though.

masherscf

09-05-2007, 09:43 AM

wideawakewesley

09-05-2007, 10:18 AM

"Doctor Who" is also aimed a the youngsters.

BBC marketing like to think of it like this...

Sarah Jane = Kids
Dr. Who = Families
Torchwood = Adults

Wes

knight42

09-05-2007, 05:15 PM

Give me Rose Tyler anyday!

Ditto, although I do like Freeman, Billie Piper is megahot!

knight42

09-05-2007, 05:19 PM

I'm about half way through Season 1 of Torchwood now (kinda hard to watch while studying for a major test). Anyhow, it's a good show so far. It's kinda like Buffy in a Sci-Fi world. Watched a good one the night before last with people that are disappearing. I like it so far though, it's a little edgier than Doctor Who.

And I think the last 3 episodes of Doctor Who S3 were pretty cool. I've been saying all along that it isn't Doctor Who without the character they bring back!

Knight42

diela

09-05-2007, 05:31 PM

Although I've seen S1 of Torchwood already, I'm looking forward to seeing it on BBCA... mostly because it means I will finally be able to get hubby to watch it. :D

tokenuser

09-05-2007, 05:37 PM

Although I've seen S1 of Torchwood already, I'm looking forward to seeing it on BBCA... mostly because it means I will finally be able to get hubby to watch it. :DDitto - except I'd be getting my wife to watch it ... which wont be hard, she already enjoys Doctor Who, and after watching Jekyll is no longer skipping past BBCA on the cable box :)

tnvwboy

09-05-2007, 05:47 PM

Ditto - except I'd be getting my wife to watch it ... which wont be hard, she already enjoys Doctor Who, and after watching Jekyll is no longer skipping past BBCA on the cable box :)

Totally. BBCA has become a stopping point for my wife and I also. Aside from the great SciFi we also enjoy "How Clean is your House". Wow some people live in FILTH! Love how those two ladies rip into people about it too. Totally RAD! heh

wideawakewesley

09-06-2007, 11:30 PM

A bit more info on The Sarah Jane Adventures...

Doctor Who monsters The Slitheen will make their comeback in a two part episode of new spin-off show The Sarah Jane Adventures, the BBC announced today.

The green, baby-faced foes with a flatulence problem will disguise themselves as teachers in a two-part story entitled 'Revenge of the Slitheen'. They will encounter The Doctor's former companion Sarah Jane Smith, played by Elisabeth Sladen, alongside her younger friends first seen in the pilot episode 'Invasion of the Bane', which was shown on January 1.

Written by Gareth Roberts, who penned recent Doctor Who episode 'The Shakespeare Code', the story will see the Slitheen make their first appearance since 'Boomtown' in the first season of the revived time-travelling show. They had previously made their debut in the 'Aliens of London/World War Three' two-parter, where the aliens from the planet Raxacoricofallapatorius took on the guise of politicians.

The Sarah Jane Adventures will be screened on BBC One and CBBC at the end of September and will run for ten episodes.

masherscf

09-06-2007, 11:34 PM

A bit more info on The Sarah Jane Adventures...

I have to grab 'em if someone post 'em to BT.

tnvwboy

09-10-2007, 03:56 PM

tokenuser

09-10-2007, 04:15 PM

Well I got to watch Ep1 this weekend. Not bad. I can see a lot of potential there. I know many of you have already seen the whole season so I'm confident that I won't be disappointed. It was a bit slow at times, but still good. Some really good one liners in there.

I'll have to go back to Dr. Who but I thought Torchwood was a government entity? Perhaps I misunderstood when I saw them in Dr. Who though.
EDIT: Nevermind. Wiki is your friend. LOLWait for the last couple of Doctor Who episodes this season (the one after Blink I think) ... the hostility to the Doctor by Torchwood kinda sorta gets cleared up.

Torchwood really picks up. The first couple of episodes were a little disjointed. I think the filmed the second ep first, then went back and did the first so the actors would work together better. So it might be 2-3 more episodes before you really start to see them working well together ... but it does get there, and it is well worth the effort.

masherscf

09-10-2007, 05:45 PM

Wait for the last couple of Doctor Who episodes this season (the one after Blink I think) ... the hostility to the Doctor by Torchwood kinda sorta gets cleared up.

Torchwood really picks up. The first couple of episodes were a little disjointed. I think the filmed the second ep first, then went back and did the first so the actors would work together better. So it might be 2-3 more episodes before you really start to see them working well together ... but it does get there, and it is well worth the effort.

I think it has me sold when the casual sex started happening. That Owen is a real potty mouth.

satori

09-10-2007, 06:43 PM

I think it has me sold when the casual sex started happening. That Owen is a real potty mouth.

Owen's a scumbag, I can't wait for them to kill him off.

iggystar

09-16-2007, 08:16 PM

I finally caught the series premiere and first episode. I liked it very much and I will be subscribing for the entire season.

It's British, but in a good way. Just different, quirky, dark, funny, sci-fi.

BBCA is becoming my favorite channel between this, Jekyll, Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares...etc., etc. Why wasn't I watching this network before?

A few of my buddies (Diela, satori) told me I would be able to catch on without much knowledge of Dr. Who and they were right. Thanks guys for putting me up on another good one.

tokenuser

09-16-2007, 09:23 PM

For those that have Digital Cable - BBCA has Torchwood in its On Demand section. Useful if you forget to set the DVR :)

masherscf

09-16-2007, 09:25 PM

For those that have Digital Cable - BBCA has Torchwood in its On Demand section. Useful if you forget to set the DVR :)

I guess HDnet (http://www.hd.net/series_comingsoon.html) is starting up with it tomorrow in HD. One more reason to hate Cablevision.

tokenuser

09-16-2007, 11:11 PM

I guess HDnet (http://www.hd.net/series_comingsoon.html) is starting up with it tomorrow in HD. One more reason to hate Cablevision.? Really ?

I missed that one ... guess I'll be getting Torchwood there from now on (I have already seen season one, but I think I have the wife hooked now :) )

satori

09-17-2007, 01:03 AM

? Really ?

I missed that one ... guess I'll be getting Torchwood there from now on (I have already seen season one, but I think I have the wife hooked now :) )

First time it's free, how much are you charging her per ep?

sugarsickness

09-17-2007, 03:43 AM

wideawakewesley

09-17-2007, 12:19 PM

This morning I finished watching the end of S3 of Doctor Who and I must say that Torchwood was far more consistent in terms of quality.

Doctor Who has some real real real bad ones but Torchwood was great all the way through and I can't wait for the second season.

That's a perfect summary of S3 Dr. Who and S1 Torchwood, totally agree with you. However, I would say that the best Dr. Who episodes were probably better than the best Torchwood eps.

Wes

sugarsickness

09-17-2007, 12:50 PM

That's a perfect summary of S3 Dr. Who and S1 Torchwood, totally agree with you. However, I would say that the best Dr. Who episodes were probably better than the best Torchwood eps.

Wes

I would agree with that.

Human Nature/The Family of Blood + Blink == Best television I've seen in years.

iggystar

09-17-2007, 01:28 PM

Comcast ONDemand does indeed have BBCA content, including the first episode of Torchwood. I will keep checking to see how they update the programming.

tnvwboy

09-17-2007, 01:44 PM

Comcast ONDemand does indeed have BBCA content, including the first episode of Torchwood. I will keep checking to see how they update the programming.

Sweet, that's nice to know. Now if we could get it in HD... <sigh>

magunwarrior

09-17-2007, 02:16 PM

I'm really enjoying this show, I'm glad to hear the entire season is good, because I've been watching all of the Doctor Who seasons right now, and there have been some really boring episodes.

tokenuser

09-17-2007, 02:41 PM

Comcast ONDemand does indeed have BBCA content, including the first episode of Torchwood. I will keep checking to see how they update the programming.They update after the weekend run of the show ... but as an aside, they also have TOP GEAR!!!! Yay.

Total nerdvana :)

diela

09-17-2007, 02:55 PM

wideawakewesley

09-17-2007, 03:14 PM

The first episode of Torchwood was watched by 496,000 viewers in the US, according to Nielsen Media Research.

The total viewer number represents a new record for a drama premiere on BBC America. The previous record was set by Robin Hood in March, although the digital cable channel has secured distribution to more households since then.

Only 297,000 viewers in the 25-54 demographic - BBC America's ad-friendly target audience - tuned in. The programme was up against a rerun of Disney Channel's smash-hit High School Musical 2, live college football - Virginia Tech against LSU - on ESPN, and tennis on CBS.

The numbers come despite a generally favourable set of reviews from the American entertainment press.

Things are looking good in the wood

masherscf

09-17-2007, 04:10 PM

Things are looking good in the wood

Lets see how the second episode fairs. There may have been a lot of curiosity about the first episode. It was pretty heavily promoted. Hopefully, audiences will stay for episode number two. They'll be hooked.

iggystar

09-17-2007, 04:34 PM

Yay! Iggy and I can discuss Torchwood now...

I really like Gwen's character. My husband is going to be "iffy" with the omni-sexual themes, I can tell by his reaction to Owen's outing with the alien cologne, but he enjoyed the pilot so I guess he's a keeper. :D

We're going to have to figure out how to turn on the closed-captioning though, because his horrible hearing is having trouble with the dialects.

Finally, right?! Well, I'm hooked so you'll have to remember what I'm watching for the first time.

Yes, the omni-sexual theme was quite apparent in both episodes, it's cool. I just don't want my sci-fi to become overly sexual in any form.

AND It was driving me crazy because Captain Jack looked familiar, but I couldn't place him. John Barrowman played in the short-lived Central Park West (a CBS night-time soap), and I LOVED him back then. Come to find out he actually is gay, which is good, now I don't have to fight jealousy over a real-life girlfriend and can proceed with my crush.

Owen is a creep. Gwen is adorable (love her gap-tooth smile) and the whole crew has shady morals (yes, complexity).

Now all I have to do is figure out Dr. Who...even my buddy, who watches, couldn't explain the order of the episodes between BBCA, Sci-Fi Channel AND we have a Canadian network that airs here, The CBC...I'm still working on that one.

masherscf

09-17-2007, 06:59 PM

I love this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtdGwiMtZ08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtdGwiMtZ08

cab00se

09-17-2007, 09:34 PM

I gave up on Torchwood about 5 minutes into episode 4 (When you see it, you'll see what I mean). Absolutely terrible show in my opinion, lacks any of the charm of Doctor Who.

While you can dismiss some of the slight crappy and campy bits of Doctor Who as its supposed to be fun family entertainment, Torchwood promotes itself as an adult show, and its nowhere near the calibre of adult sci-fi/fantasy shows from the US.

Its a shame as we (Britain) can make good gritty adult sci-fi/fantasy, look at the excellent but criminally short lived "Ultraviolet" from a few years back.

tokenuser

09-17-2007, 09:44 PM

I gave up on Torchwood about 5 minutes into episode 4 (When you see it, you'll see what I mean). Absolutely terrible show in my opinion, lacks any of the charm of Doctor Who.Great - abandon it in the worst episode of the season ... that means you missed "Countrycide" (psychologically creepy), "Seeing Shoes" (had a "Blink" style of quirkiness to it), and "Out of Time". "Combat" wasn't too bad either.

Lots of good episodes in Torchwood.

cab00se

09-17-2007, 10:02 PM

Well I thought the episodes leading up to it were bad, so after seeing 5 minutes of the car crash that was episode 4 it seemed like a good time to quit.

masherscf

09-18-2007, 12:05 AM

Well I thought the episodes leading up to it were bad, so after seeing 5 minutes of the car crash that was episode 4 it seemed like a good time to quit.

Dude, if a show seems to have a good premise, you stick with it for at least a season. I'm not talking this wimpy BBC thirteen episode deals. I'm talking 25 full blown American episodes.

The show "Star trek : The next generation," possibly the best sci fi show to be on American TV in the nineties, was decidedly lame for at least the first season and a half. Heck it didn't even start hitting it's stride until the end of the third season. That's more than 70 episodes in.

Doctor Who has decades or traditional a character precedents to draw upon. It's really unrealistic to expect to see the best a show can do in in a mere three episodes. "Torchwood" did have a slow start. But, "Torchwood" is more character driven than Doctor Who. Therefore, you can stick with it, even if you don't like the initial scripts. The writers are still finding their footing. If you keep an open mind and don't mind admitting you're wrong, you might give it a second look.

If you've already decided that it going to suck, you shouldn't bother. But, you have no authority to make judgments about it.

tokenuser

09-18-2007, 02:14 AM

Torchwood playing on my iPod - good.
Torchwood playing on BBCA - letterboxed on a 60" TV - better
Torchwood playing on HDNet - full surround sound, digital picture, 16:9 on a 60" TV - best :)

masherscf

09-18-2007, 02:16 AM

Torchwood playing on my iPod - good.
Torchwood playing on BBCA - letterboxed on a 60" TV - better
Torchwood playing on HDNet - full surround sound, digital picture, 16:9 on a 60" TV - best :)

This would be a good time to mention how much I hate you. ;)

tokenuser

09-18-2007, 02:50 AM

This would be a good time to mention how much I hate you. ;)http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1349/1399898944_178337f25a_o.jpg

But why? (yes, that my toe propped up on the coffee table).

masherscf

09-18-2007, 03:17 AM

But why? (yes, that my toe propped up on the coffee table).

That TV wouldn't fit in my living room. Not with all the toddler toys.

geekluv

09-18-2007, 05:11 AM

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1349/1399898944_178337f25a_o.jpg

But why? (yes, that my toe propped up on the coffee table).

With a TV that big, I think I might try to make out with Cpt. Jack :p

patch

09-18-2007, 05:26 AM

With a TV that big, I think I might try to make out with Cpt. Jack :p

Don't think I'd mind you blocking the T.V. for that. I've got a 50" DLP HD if you wanna come over...

wideawakewesley

09-18-2007, 09:13 AM

That TV wouldn't fit in my living room. Not with all the toddler toys.

Same here and I'd have to wipe fingerprints off the screen on a daily basis.

tokenuser

09-18-2007, 12:58 PM

That TV wouldn't fit in my living room. Not with all the toddler toys.I guess thats the advantage of being the child in the house - I have bigger toys, but wife still tells me to pick them up and get them out of the lounge room :)

That photo is scaled down to 20% of its original size, and I set the camera to ISO80 because of the low light, which meant longer exposure time, and even with image stabilising on the photo is a little blurry (see the double image of the "standby light" on my Samsung DVD player).

Wife was out while Torchwood was on in HD, but I showed her the recording I made of it. She now just want to watch the HD version ... so will be two weeks behind the BBCA release.

BTW - This is going to sound naive, but does the BBC broadcast all its stations/shows in HD? I have only ever watched BBC from a crappy TV in a hotel room.

satori

09-18-2007, 02:25 PM

BTW - This is going to sound naive, but does the BBC broadcast all its stations/shows in HD? I have only ever watched BBC from a crappy TV in a hotel room.

BBC is HD, they addopted the format years ago. My Wife's great Aunt had a wide screen HDTV in 2001 and she was just turning 80.

Just wondering what the resolution is on your TV. Also it looks like it's a read projection, what is it?

masherscf

09-18-2007, 02:35 PM

Same here and I'd have to wipe fingerprints off the screen on a daily basis.

Oh, I do that already. My daughter gets a little over exuberant when she watches Elmo. My TV is only 42 inches but it makes a nice target for toddler target practice.

tokenuser

09-18-2007, 02:58 PM

Just wondering what the resolution is on your TV. Also it looks like it's a read projection, what is it?Its a Hitachi Ultravision 60" Rear Projection LCD. Great viewing in most light situations. No "dark spots", even projection lighting. HDMI inputs from digital cable box at 1080i.

Its all good.

filch

09-18-2007, 05:00 PM

FYI - the HD channel HDNET will be showing Torchwood uncut w/ no commercials. I've never seen the show so I may be checking it out. I'm going to assume it's the first season.

http://www.hd.net/program_search_results.html?keyword=torchwood&whattosearch=both

cab00se

09-18-2007, 06:12 PM

If you've already decided that it going to suck, you shouldn't bother. But, you have no authority to make judgments about it.

I apologise, please let me know what shows Im allowed to express an opinion on, for instance I think Eastenders is a load of rubbish, but as I havent watched all the episodes I guess im not "authorised" to say that.

I wanted to like Torchwood, as I'd love to see more good British TV, but 3 and a bit episodes of poor writing, and bad acting was enough for me. I did not see potential in the series, I saw a childrens show with shoe-horned in swearing and sex to make it "adult".

A couple of reviews by people more intelligent than me:

Colin’s Film Journal (http://filmjournal.net/colinp/2006/11/06)
Rentaghost with swearing?
November 6th, 2006

The title of this article is one of the best descriptions (shamelessly nicked from Harsin’s post over on The DVD Forums!) of Russell T Davies‘ Doctor Who spin-off I’ve heard so far. After months hype and anticipation, Torchwood, is finally with us and it looks like good old Russell has scored a bit of an own goal. You see, it’s just not very good.

The publicity machine has been in action for a while - various descriptions have been thrown about by the cast and crew. “X-Files meets This Life“, “adult sci-fi” and “Doctor Who with sex” they said - unfortunately none of these really stick. It’s patently NOT Doctor Who and while it has sex, it’s not really sci-fi either and it certainly doesn’t hold a candle to anything like The X Files or This Life. The scripts are terrible and the series has not one ounce of originality borrowing from anything you care to think of. RTD was a big fan of Buffy and here he tries to replicate the success of Angel in developing a more grown-up spin-off from a successful show - but in the case of Torchwood it hasn’t worked.

If it wasn’t for it’s Doctor Who links, not only would it never have been green-lit, no-one would be talking about it now. However, it seems that Russell can do no wrong and the UK media continues to fawn over him as some sort of media genius. We KNOW he can do good adult TV thanks to things such as Queer as Folk, Second Coming and even Casanova, but he seems to have lost the plot. Doctor Who needs the light touch to appeal to a family audience and it works wonderfully, but Torchwood doesn’t and yet we still seem to be getting child-friendly stories with some gratuitous bonking and a few ****s and shits thrown in to justify it’s post-watershed existence. Calling this adult television is insulting to those that were hoping the UK would for once have some intelligent, non-diluted and thought-provoking science fiction to rival anything the US can offer. Instead we have this mishmash of ideas that doesn’t know if it wants to be a comedy, drama, thriller or some seedy sex-obsessed late-night junk.

And the always funny Charlie Brooker who does finish it upbeat:
Charlie Brooker
Saturday October 28, 2006
The Guardian

Lots of things designed to be used by children end up appealing to adults too. Harry Potter. Jelly babies. The list is endless.

TV's Doctor Who is a good example. Originally conceived as an educational drama for 1960s kiddywinks, it attracted a devoted adult audience from the very beginning. They knew they were watching something that wasn't, strictly speaking, "for them" but they loved it anyway.

The trouble with Who's freshly-minted anagrammatic "sister" serial Torchwood (Sun, 10pm, BBC3; Wed, 9pm, BBC2) is that it's not really clear who it's aimed at. It contains swearing, blood and sex, yet still somehow feels like a children's programme. Thirteen-year-olds should love it; anyone else is likely to be more than a little confused. Which isn't to say Torchwood is bad. Just bewildering. And very, very silly.

The central presence of Captain Jack Harkness, one of the most pantomime characters ever to appear in Doctor Who, doesn't exactly help. He's like Buzz Lightyear, but less realistic. The moment you see him running around being all larger-than-life, you think "aha - so Torchwood's a camp space opera? Fair enough".

But then the storyline goes all dark and unpleasant and people are getting their throats torn open and shooting themselves in the head, and suddenly you don't know where you are. Not in Kansas anymore, maybe - but where?

Cute and dark, sweet and sour, up and down. It's like tuning in to watch Deadwood, only to discover they've replaced Al Swearengen with the Honey Monster. Or sitting through a "re-imagining" of the Captain Birds Eye commercials, in which the white-haired skipper traverses the oceans in a raging thunderstorm, ruling his child-crew with an iron fist, tossing dissenters overboard into the rolling, foaming waves - but dances the hornpipe with a big cartoon haddock while the credits roll. Or stumbling across an episode of Scooby-Doo in which Shaggy skins up on camera.

In fact Scooby-Doo (more than, say, the X-Files or Buffy) is probably the show most analogous to Torchwood, in that both series revolve around a fresh-faced team of meddling kids tackling an ever-shifting carnival of monsters in a world of childlike simplicity. The Torchwood gang even have their own version of The Mystery Machine, although theirs is a spectacularly ugly SUV with two daft strips of throbbing LED lights either side of the windscreen whose sole purpose is to make the entire vehicle look outrageously silly - they might as well have stuck a big inflatable dick on the bonnet, to be honest.

The inside's not much better - LCD screens embedded in every available flat surface, each urgently displaying a wibbly-wobbly screensaver ... it must be like driving around in a flagship branch of PC World.

There are other glaringly daft touches: the countless overhead helicopter shots of Cardiff (what is this, Google Earth?); the ridiculous severed hand-in-a-jar (straight from the Addams Family); the protracted sequence from episode one in which Captain Jack stood atop a tall building surveying the cityscape like Batman FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER. Oh, and the team's insistence on using the silly invisible elevator that slowly, slowly ascends through a sort of "magic hole" in the pavement - even though there's a perfectly reasonable BACK DOOR through which they can enter and leave the Batcave at will.

And on top of all that, there's a bizarre emphasis on bisexual tension thrown in for good measure. You half expect the Torchwood gang to drop their slacks and form a humping great daisy chain any moment. It's Shortbus meets Goober and the Ghost Chasers meets X-Men meets Angel meets The Tomorrow People meets Spooks meets Oh God I Give Up.

Still, the act of jotting down some of Torchwood's thundering absurdities has put a big dumb smile on my face. Whatever the hell it's supposed to be, there's nothing else like Torchwood on TV at the moment, and that's got to be worth something. I just don't have a clue how much.

masherscf

09-18-2007, 06:15 PM

I apologise,

A couple of reviews by people more intelligent than me:

Well, I only meant that you should give it another chance if you haven't made your mind up about it. In any case, I think the reviews are pointless to me. I can find good or bad reviews of nearly anything. A given review is only valuable if you trust the reviewers opinion, and I don't know your sources.

cab00se

09-18-2007, 06:28 PM

I didnt post the reviews to convince you or anyone else the show is bad, just to express some of the things I didnt like about the show, or thought were a bit dumb - like the LED lights on the car :P

tokenuser

09-18-2007, 06:34 PM

Glowy lights on cars are dumb?

http://www.ahl.aland.fi/trade/hemsida/engelsk/kitt.gif

Bite your tongue.

cab00se

09-18-2007, 06:42 PM

Hehe, ah the easy way to beat me, childhood nostalgia, KITT is awesome, uh apologies, KITT is rad.

satori

09-20-2007, 03:38 PM

Anyone heard about this show called "Pushing Daisies"? It's like they've built an entire show around the necro glove on Torchwood. The guy uses his power to bring people back from the dead to find out how they were killed, and then lets them die again.... familiar?

wideawakewesley

09-20-2007, 04:51 PM

satori

09-24-2007, 05:24 AM

The BBC should sue!

heheheh, clearly they can't do that, but I just wish that people would recognize the the inspiration

wideawakewesley

11-26-2007, 11:11 AM

Former Buffy the Vampire Slayer cast member James Marsters will guest-star on Torchwood, the Doctor Who spinoff series, when it returns to BBC America for a second season in January, the network announced.

Other guest stars include Alan Dale (Ugly Betty) and Doctor Who co-star Freema Agyeman, who will reprise the role of Martha Jones.

The second season of Torchwood debuts on BBC America on Jan. 26, 2008, at 9 p.m. ET/PT, not long after it premieres in the United Kingdom. Torchwood: The Complete First Season, meanwhile, goes on sale Jan. 22 in a seven-disc DVD set.

Finally it's coming back to our screens, it's been a long wait!

tnvwboy

11-26-2007, 03:00 PM

Finally it's coming back to our screens, it's been a long wait!

Freaking sweet! We'll only have about a 2 month break here in the states. Unfortunately that means season 3 will be a lot longer out for us, but it's pretty sweet that the seasons are more in sync. Now if you all in the UK got the same from the US networks.

tnvwboy

12-05-2007, 01:54 PM

Finally watched the season one ender last night. Lots of passion and emotion but the cliff-hanger part of it was kinda...blah. Is that just a British thing or was it kinda lame for others too? Don't get me wrong, I liked the episode but for the end of the season it didn't have that feeling of, "Bet you can't wait for the next season now can you!!??"

I'm excited that it'll be back on BBC America at the end of January still...

wideawakewesley

12-05-2007, 02:56 PM

A lot of UK shows tend not to do cliffhangers at the end of a season.

masherscf

12-05-2007, 03:11 PM

A lot of UK shows tend not to do cliffhangers at the end of a season.

I think it's a different philosophy. Each series (season) is a separate narrative entity with few story arcs that span. I prefer that.

I think cliffhangers are a weak narrative tool anyway. "Buffy" never had cliffhangers and I always couldn't wait for the next season.

wideawakewesley

01-05-2008, 07:23 PM

If anyone's interested, Torchwood returns to UK screens on January 16th, the trailer for the new series can be viewed here:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nG7R0AEG6cw

satori

01-05-2008, 10:03 PM

If anyone's interested, Torchwood returns to UK screens on January 16th, the trailer for the new series can be viewed here:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nG7R0AEG6cw

and will be up on torrents an hour of so later. I would much prefer to simply be able to download it from a legit site, but as we're not given that option I'm going to take the law into my own hands.

masherscf

01-05-2008, 10:08 PM

If anyone's interested, Torchwood returns to UK screens on January 16th, the trailer for the new series can be viewed here:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nG7R0AEG6cw

Bittorrent on full standby, SIR!

yssman

01-05-2008, 10:18 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the new season starts here on BBC America at the end of the month... I want to say the 26th?

tokenuser

01-05-2008, 10:42 PM

Yep.

http://www.bbcamerica.com/media/262/sched_torchwood2.jpg

What I really want though is Torchwood on HDNet in all its HD surround sound glory. Its worth waiting a week or two to watch.

Who am I kidding - I'll be torrenting it each week.

spite

01-16-2008, 12:26 PM

satori

01-16-2008, 12:53 PM

oh why can't they sell this stuff on iTunes. Back to torrents.

wideawakewesley

01-17-2008, 08:13 AM

What a great start to the new series and so glad to see James Marsters will be back for a future episode, he was fantastic! If you haven't seen it yet, there's a fantastic Star Wars joke in there too.

jazza

01-17-2008, 09:35 AM

Yeah, great start. They seemed to have changed the music style as well. First scene was great

"Bloody Torchwood"

cybogoblin

01-17-2008, 11:01 AM

If you haven't seen it yet, there's a fantastic Star Wars joke in there too.

I almost fell off my chair when I saw that. It was a fantastic way to kick off the new series.

"Excuse me, have you seen a blowfish in a sports car?" :D

wideawakewesley

01-17-2008, 11:35 AM

Is it me or is Gwen looking far foxier this season?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/spaceygal64/sevepicjuly07p11.jpg

Oh and YouTube FTW:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=h1I1qBHjdUI - NSFW!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lk3IXH6yi6M - SFW

masherscf

01-17-2008, 02:18 PM

Is it me or is Gwen looking far foxier this season?

She's trying to keep up with Jack,

icapants

01-17-2008, 08:57 PM

Honestly, season 1 of Torchwood didn't really do much for me. It's one of those things that I started watching, and then felt like I had to finish it.

But I am so extremely impressed with this first episode. If they maintain the quality over the next couple of episodes, I may jump from "eh, it's alright" to full blown fangirl.

godlesswanderer

01-17-2008, 10:09 PM

Just watched it on the BBC iPlayer, I'd forgotten how good Torchwood is. I wasn't expecting James Marster's character to to have something to do with Jack. Although it was obvious when they were walking towards each other in the bar that they were going to kiss.

masherscf

01-17-2008, 10:37 PM

godlesswanderer

01-24-2008, 02:04 PM

masherscf

01-24-2008, 02:12 PM

Ooops, sorry. I would usually realise but I'd just gotten back from a party before posting so I was ever so slightly drunk.
I would edit my post but I can't seem to be able to find the edit button. I assume it disappears after a certain amount of time as passed?

Don't worry about it. Everyone knows it now.

I guess I shouldn't be such a b*tch. There was a freaking' picture of it in TV-guide.

icapants

01-25-2008, 12:49 AM

Episode 2 last night:
Yaaaaaaaay! They're giving Ianto a personality! Yaaaaaaay.

wideawakewesley

01-29-2008, 01:54 PM

Torchwood game if anyone's interested: http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/games/archives/2008/01/29/torchwood_arg.html

remarkable

01-29-2008, 08:46 PM

Season 2 is off to a great start, for sure. I was a fan of the first season, but am enjoying this season even more. Looks like all the characters are going to be developing more this year...

It's the perfect antidote to the lack of new shows being made in the US right now.

serenity

01-29-2008, 11:07 PM

I just started watching season 1 and I am enjoying it. :)

It's not perfect, there are some scenes that are surprisingly badly acted but overall it's a really fun show with a good cast.

tokenuser

01-29-2008, 11:18 PM

I just started watching season 1 and I am enjoying it. :)

It's not perfect, there are some scenes that are surprisingly badly acted but overall it's a really fun show with a good cast.[/QUOTEI am not sure how far through you are, but the first few episodes were shot out of order, so that for the premiere (and 2nd? 3rd?) episodes, the cast would work well together. After the initial couple of shows, the acting dropped off a little, but then picked up again. Last few are great.

tokenuser

01-30-2008, 07:30 PM

For the HD Torchwood junkies, I just went googling, and apparently HDNet will start broadcasting the HD version of Torchwood (series 2) starting Monday, February 11 at 7:00pm.

HD.
Full surround sound.
No ads.

Does it get any better?

remarkable

01-30-2008, 07:45 PM

It's not perfect, there are some scenes that are surprisingly badly acted but overall it's a really fun show with a good cast.

I'd definitely recommend sticking with it - the shows get better as the season progresses.

beautiful-nightmare

01-30-2008, 07:57 PM

I think I saw this show once.. It was about an alien that took over a human host because it needed orgasms. Probably one of the weirdest things I've seen, and the acting wasn't that great.. Is this the same show?

remarkable

01-30-2008, 10:10 PM

LOL! Yes, that's the show! As I say - it gets better ;-)

serenity

02-08-2008, 02:14 AM

Ok, I've passed the threshold and I think the show is freaking awesome now.

:D

YAY!

(Just finished the alien eye episode, with the guy who got hit by a car and died and is in love with Gwen.)

tokenuser

02-08-2008, 03:38 AM

Ok, I've passed the threshold and I think the show is freaking awesome now.

:D

YAY!

(Just finished the alien eye episode, with the guy who got hit by a car and died and is in love with Gwen.)"Countrycide" is the best episode they made in season 1. No aliens, no monsters, just freaky mind fucking.

masherscf

02-08-2008, 04:08 AM

I just saw Episode 4 of series 2. They've really turned it up a couple of notches.

wideawakewesley

02-08-2008, 09:17 AM

Episode 4 was definitely back to the level of the first episode for sure. Rhys was fantastic in it too!

Wes

masherscf

02-08-2008, 01:46 PM

Episode 4 was definitely back to the level of the first episode for sure. Rhys was fantastic in it too!

Wes

I love, love, love, love, Toshiko.

wideawakewesley

02-08-2008, 02:42 PM

I love, love, love, love, Toshiko.

My most hated character in the show.

masherscf

02-08-2008, 02:44 PM

My most hated character in the show.

I each his own. You like Owen, I suppose. ;)

wideawakewesley

02-08-2008, 03:26 PM

Owen is close second after Gwen.

:D

serenity

02-10-2008, 05:07 AM

patch

02-10-2008, 06:21 AM

I think I've fallen in love with Gwen. She's so beautiful, adorable, sweet and compassionate.

So, I just watched a few more episodes (Out of Time, Combat, Captain Jack Harkness and End of Days) and this show is awesome, totally rad and amazing all at once. I love it.
I cried my eyes out tonight from 2 of those episodes and it was some of the best TV I've ever seen. There are still random things just silly wrong (Big giant CG guy is the darkness that was coming, really? He sucked - that was a letdown) but the entire show around those bad spots make this show gold.

I have to admit, part of the reason I cried once is that it is SUCH a joy to see sexuality portrayed more openly and as if it were normal. I don't just mean Jack being bisexual in the show, I mean all the sexuality is very loving and open and a big deal isn't made of it though it is featured.
It also makes me hate living in America. I want to move to a place (Britain) that this is on TV and not THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL SHOW EVER.

Have you watched Doctor Who as well? Or just Torchwood? I personally started with the New Doctor Who, then moved to the old Tom Baker Doctor Who, and then started following Torchwood while Doctor Who was off the air. Its okay, but if it and Doctor Who start running at the same time, I probably won't be watching Torchwood.

I totally agree about how sexuality is treated as just being a normal thing. It honestly feels good, if that makes any sense. There's no teasing about it, straying away from it. Its just "Hey! This is life! We have sex!".

Oh, and btw. Jack is Omnisexual, not bisexual. He has sex with males and females, human and alien alike.

serenity

02-10-2008, 12:04 PM

Have you watched Doctor Who as well? Or just Torchwood? I personally started with the New Doctor Who, then moved to the old Tom Baker Doctor Who, and then started following Torchwood while Doctor Who was off the air. Its okay, but if it and Doctor Who start running at the same time, I probably won't be watching Torchwood.

I totally agree about how sexuality is treated as just being a normal thing. It honestly feels good, if that makes any sense. There's no teasing about it, straying away from it. Its just "Hey! This is life! We have sex!".

Oh, and btw. Jack is Omnisexual, not bisexual. He has sex with males and females, human and alien alike.

I watch Dr Who as well. I think I'm enjoying Torchwood more. :D

tokenuser

02-10-2008, 01:38 PM

It also makes me hate living in America. I want to move to a place (Britain) that this is on TV and not THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL SHOW EVER.Australian TV is like that as well, and had one of the first topless scenes in a prime time show anywhere in the world (mid 70's).

It really pisses me off that you can have as much violence as you like on TV during prime time (getting fairly graphic), but if there is the slightest hint of T&A it is on late at night or relegated to cable.

serenity

02-10-2008, 04:23 PM

Australian TV is like that as well, and had one of the first topless scenes in a prime time show anywhere in the world (mid 70's).

It really pisses me off that you can have as much violence as you like on TV during prime time (getting fairly graphic), but if there is the slightest hint of T&A it is on late at night or relegated to cable.

Honestly what makes me sick is knowing what the reaction would be if a man kissed another man on prime time tv the way Jack kissed his namesake. If it was anything more than one episode, treated very carefully - there would be an outcry of "My children might see this show! God thinks this is an abomination! It's wrong and immoral! We are going to boycott!"

Sigh.

Anyway, it makes me happy to see this is accepted somewhere and it's in a great show to boot!

patch

02-10-2008, 04:46 PM

I watch Dr Who as well. I think I'm enjoying Torchwood more. :D

...That hurts me... That makes me have second thoughts about us having children again... :(

tokenuser

02-10-2008, 05:59 PM

Honestly what makes me sick is knowing what the reaction would be if a man kissed another man on prime time tv the way Jack kissed his namesake. If it was anything more than one episode, treated very carefully - there would be an outcry of "My children might see this show! God thinks this is an abomination! It's wrong and immoral! We are going to boycott!"You obviously didn't see Jack an Ianto gettign into it at the end of last nights episode (BBCA). That would NEVER fly on US TV ... but thats OK, because Entertainment Tonight / Access Hollywood have more crotch shots of Lindsey Lohan, another report of a star in rehab, and more footage of Anna Nicole Smiths baby one year after the death ... because we all know THATS riveting television :rolleyes:

icapants

02-10-2008, 06:52 PM

With the lack of new shows on TV, and considering what a fan of Doctor Who Alex is, I'm surprised Torchwood hasn't come up in a TV segment yet.

I was so proud of Gwen for fighting to keep Rhys in the loop. He deserves to know what's going on. Also, it would be nice to see him a little bit more in the show. He's a good character.

I hear that this week they're airing eps 5 and 6. That means the return of Martha Jones*!

*Who I originally hate, but have by the end of DW S3 loved.

masherscf

04-06-2008, 02:27 AM

It's absolutely devastating.

icapants

04-06-2008, 06:54 AM

It's absolutely devastating.

I cried - WEPT- for the last... fifteen minutes or so.

I'm so afraid of what RTD is going to do with Series 4 of Doctor Who now, especially since I've read some of the spoilers.

kilroyperrywinkle

04-06-2008, 12:29 PM

***** SPOILER WARNING ****

Eh...

I like the show... but I saw this coming. I mean after all the face time Owen had this season he had to be the one going.

And Tosh?

That all seemed like a rerun of Angel when Fred died. They just picked the one with the most heart and stabbed you in yours... so no surprises for me. Wish I wasn't as jaded and cynical as I am... but I did see it coming so no tears.

masherscf

04-06-2008, 02:14 PM

RTD is a big Joss Whedon fan. It shows...

wideawakewesley

04-06-2008, 03:05 PM

So glad Tosh has gone, bloody awful character!

Wes

satori

04-06-2008, 03:32 PM

So glad Tosh has gone, bloody awful character!

Wes

agreed, I won't miss her. What a bizarre story line... especially how they screwed with the continuity from a couple eps ago. I didn't know that they were going to break the doctor, I'm a little afraid now...

jazza

04-06-2008, 08:51 PM

So glad Tosh has gone, bloody awful character!

Wes

I'm not. I'll admit she hadn't been the greatest, but there was some very good episodes with her, and I thought the writers had finally seen the light and given some meat to her character, then they changed tack, and made her have a different love interest for a couple of weeks, while we're supposed to believe she only had eyes for Owen, and with him out of the way, I though she'd develop more.

It's a big change though, to lose 2 cast members. I wonder if they will replace both of them. I'd kinda like to see Martha return, but I guess that depends on how her return to the doctor happens.

kilroyperrywinkle

04-06-2008, 10:34 PM

masherscf

/slaps forehead

I'm Spoiler McSpoilenstein...

Thanks! I totally forgot that...

masherscf

04-06-2008, 11:31 PM

masherscf

/slaps forehead

I'm Spoiler McSpoilenstein...

Thanks! I totally forgot that...

Don't woprry about it. The other fellas sailed right through it.

I don't think the ep has aired in the states yet.

tokenuser

04-06-2008, 11:43 PM

Don't woprry about it. The other fellas sailed right through it.

I don't think the ep has aired in the states yet.No ... it hasn't you bastards :mad: ... not for 2 more weeks.

icapants

04-07-2008, 04:42 AM

I think Tosh could've been a good character, if they gave her a decent story where she wasn't all "woe is me" over someone.

The Owen thing pisses me off because they actually made me like him this year! And then they go and kill him.

TWICE.

crater

04-07-2008, 05:57 AM

I did really like Owen, Tosh i didn't have as much connection wish. I do wonder who they'll bring into replace them next season. Maybe Freema Agyeman, Martha Jones, will replace Owen as a permanent character. I heard she resurfaces on Doctor Who season 4 later on, so i don't know how that might affect this possible outcome.

tnvwboy

04-07-2008, 01:51 PM

Nuts, I shouldn't have read the last couple pages of this thread! I've yet to see it but hearing that Owen is leaving doesn't surprise me in the least. He cannot heal from any wounds, so his body will start to break and become worthless eventually. Would we wait until then to finally take him off the show or have him leave with some dignity (as a character)? It just makes the most sense.

As for Tosh...well I think the problem is that she's a, "Meh." character.

What I find more interesting is that the fans and perhaps the writers have made Torchwood a bit like Doctor Who, in that we have a main guy who is witty, mysterious and handsome (The Doctor & Jack) and we have the beautiful, intelligent and stubborn woman (The Doctors many companions & Gwen). The writers have eliminated all question that there is love between Jack and Gwen, though they may never act on it (no so unlike the Doctor and his ladies).

Now two other Torchwood characters have been removed. That leaves poor Yanto. He's just Jacks boy-toy compared to Gwen. I think season three the show is going to have to make a choice.
1. Be another Doctor Who with Jack and Gwen (and a few side characters that are disposable)
or 2. Bring in some really interesting characters and bring back the Torchwood "TEAM" dynamic and stick with it.

We'll see.

giggleloop

04-07-2008, 02:21 PM

Just watched the finale last night - I didn't honestly think that Tosh would go too - I kind of suspected Owen. Still, especially with the whole flashback in "Fragments" of Owen's life before Torchwood, that really made me like him more than I have, and then to get rid of him -- that hurt. I was actually really afraid they might kill Ianto, and that would have devastated me, I think he's my favorite.

I like that we even got pterodactyl backstory - how cool was that?! :)

I hope they bring back Martha on Torchwood, she would be a good fit, I think. But I guess we'll have to wait until 2010 to find out. Ouch. :(

wideawakewesley

04-07-2008, 04:46 PM

God I hope they don't bring back Martha, I can't stand her, I'd rather have Tosh come back than bloody Martha. I would also like to see way more Rhys and Captain John, they're fantastic characters! Rhys might as well join Torchwood considering what he knows, shame he doesn't have any special skills.

Wes

masherscf

04-07-2008, 04:53 PM

giggleloop

04-07-2008, 05:01 PM

tokenuser

04-07-2008, 05:15 PM

Maybe he's makes a better cup of coffee than Ianto...Rhys is a tea drinker.

slaguru

04-08-2008, 10:44 AM

He could be a driver maybe? He works for a trucking/shipping company doesn't he? He's not so good with the secrets though, as PC Andy pointed out. Speaking of, do you think they'll bring PC Andy in to the team? They've been showing a lot of him lately... makes you wonder.

God I hope he is not a new team member...

I liked both the outgoing characters for the fact that they both had a bit of an edge, not a nice side if you will.

Tosh had massive failings in the emotion department and Owen had a dark side.

Its great that the Ianto's character has been built up, and the slight comic side of the character works well. Capt Jack is fine (if just a bit too over the top), and Gwen is ok, but the whole life at home stuff is a bit too much like Eastenders for me.

So new team members please, not comic side kicks that need rescuing all the time, and bumble about while the big boys and girls (Jack and Gwen) do the real work.

Oh and not Martha Bloody Jones.... Too many Doctor Who fan boys and girls in Torchwood makes it feel that it is always a spin off and not a show in its own right.

joeyrock

07-09-2009, 02:29 PM

Is anyone watching the mini-series? We have had 3/5 so far and it's brilliant. 10 times better than torchwood usually is. There's some real tension in it and Quatermass level stuff going on... I'd highly recommend even Torchwood dislikers to check this out. Some real interesting tests to Captain Jack's immortality as well :p puts the Highlander to shame...

wideawakewesley

07-09-2009, 03:57 PM

Is anyone watching the mini-series? We have had 3/5 so far and it's brilliant. 10 times better than torchwood usually is.

100% agree!

joeyrock

07-09-2009, 06:04 PM

Check out this genius... :p

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/183/otherm.jpg (http://img33.imageshack.us/i/otherm.jpg/)

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http://www.thedvdforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8686527&postcount=119

zombierin

07-10-2009, 03:40 AM

DAMN YOU RUSSELL T DAVIES
He manages to rip my heart out time and time again yet I keep coming back for more.
And how do I never see it coming?
This makes me very concerned for a season 4.

I have a feeling the finale is going to be out of control.

joeyrock

07-11-2009, 04:04 AM

Wow... what an ending. That didn't pull any punches.. pretty fucked up actually. Highly recommended viewing :p

wideawakewesley

07-11-2009, 09:58 PM

I love the torture that they put Jack through, it's fantastic. We don't see our heroes go through that often enough.

kilroyperrywinkle

07-12-2009, 12:20 AM

Wow. Just wow. Dark. Very Dark.

masherscf

07-21-2009, 12:31 AM

Just a friends bump to make sure that Torchwood fans in the US get the message.

tokenuser

07-21-2009, 03:33 AM

I watched all 5 episodes back to back yesterday flying from the east coast to the west coast. I landed in LA with 20 minutes to go (kinda a climactic point to be told to turn off all electronic devices), and 33 mins left on my Macbook battery.

Coludn't help myself ... had to finish it off in the shuttle van to the hotel.

Damn.

Where can we go from here?

Each episode was one hour long. I hope BBCA dont butcher the episodes for time so they can slip in the expected number of ads.

masherscf

07-27-2009, 10:40 PM

Children are so off limits in US TV. This series really went to bad places.

tokenuser

07-28-2009, 02:12 AM

Children are so off limits in US TV. This series really went to bad places.I think thats what blew me away the most. It really pulled on a moral dilemma. Which 10% do you sacrifice?? Who is the bigger monster - the aliens feeding off the children like a drug, or those that sent the children away to have that happen to them.

blacksymbiote

07-29-2009, 02:28 AM

Saw this after a friend insisted I watch it. Brushing my concerns aside that I had never seen any Torchwood or Doctor Who, he still insisted. So I watched it.

I am now insisting to everyone I can that they too watch it. Easily the best TV I have ever had the pleasure, excitement, fear, and sorrow to watch. If there is anymore Torchwood after this, I'm in!

masherscf

07-29-2009, 02:46 AM

satori

07-29-2009, 04:57 AM

...except for the non stop bizarreness of the choice of sexual partners throughout. Seriously... it's like if cupid were real he/she has 5 inch thick glasses and left them on the washroom counter.

Aside from that I'm totally on board, it's an amazing show.

blacksymbiote

07-29-2009, 05:07 AM

satori

07-29-2009, 05:21 AM

There are a few things going on that relate back to Dr. Who Both involve spoilers... sooooooo.... SPOILER ALERT, SPOILER ALERT, SPOILER ALERT!

SPOILER ALERT

SPOILER ALERT

OK, can't make it any more obvious and at this point I think I can say it.

1. Dr. Who has a run in with Captain Jack in which we find that Rose likes him, thinks he's cute and there's a lot of sexual innuendo where in we get bisexual references to the Nth degree.

2. Theres a Dr. Who ep where he ends up saving Queen Victoria and so while she doesn't completely trust the doctor she sets up Torch wood to run indepenandntly from the doctor to save the earth (or at least the empire) from future incursions.

3. Torchwood has a run in with the Cybermen where Torchwood becomes co-opted and breaks down.

4. Torchwood the show starts up and we realize that the shadow Torchwood, the non-government version still exists and runs independantly from the government version.

tokenuser

07-29-2009, 10:50 AM

OK, can't make it any more obvious and at this point I think I can say it.

1. Dr. Who has a run in with Captain Jack in which we find that Rose likes him, thinks he's cute and there's a lot of sexual innuendo where in we get bisexual references to the Nth degree.

2. Theres a Dr. Who ep where he ends up saving Queen Victoria and so while she doesn't completely trust the doctor she sets up Torch wood to run indepenandntly from the doctor to save the earth (or at least the empire) from future incursions.

3. Torchwood has a run in with the Cybermen where Torchwood becomes co-opted and breaks down.

4. Torchwood the show starts up and we realize that the shadow Torchwood, the non-government version still exists and runs independantly from the government version.== biggest spoiler of them all removed == ... but man Jack gets ugly

joeyrock

07-29-2009, 11:00 AM

That's an unnecessary spoiler... it's irrelevant to Torchwood and spoils the coolest reveal of all of the new Doctor Who's episodes.

tokenuser

07-29-2009, 11:41 AM

That's an unnecessary spoiler... it's irrelevant to Torchwood and spoils the coolest reveal of all of the new Doctor Who's episodes.I debated putting it in ... but what a connection.

I'll redact it.

masherscf

07-29-2009, 01:10 PM

Don't forget. Although it is separated from the government, Torchwood apparently collects a stipend from the crown.

nshady

02-03-2010, 02:27 PM

Kind of a bump. In the off season I worked my way through the back catalogue and have to say I'm now a fan. I tried at least twice to get into the show at season one, but this time I stuck with it as it found its feet. The end of season one was a bit of a letdown, monster-wise, but season two got much better. While I didn't love Tosh, I found the Owen-Tosh thing really touching, and I sobbed at the end of season two. Not that many shows have made me cry, which says a lot. Then, season three. Three fantastic episodes of suspense, a fourth one that didn't really hit as hard as they thought it might (don't shoot the glass - open the two doors on the side!) and a bit of a limp to the end. I honestly wished there hadn't been a solution and they'd sacrificed the kids. The drug thing was a bit too midichlorian. Why didn't they offer a medical bargaining chip like last time, too? Still, plenty of powerful moments, particularly with Frobisher's family, and Harkness's grandson. I've heard that season four is on its way. I'll be looking forward to it.

tokenuser

02-03-2010, 04:35 PM

Love Torchwood. As a spinoff, it fits the Doctor Who universe, and stands alone as its own show.

While surfing to see if Season 4 has started production (no, not yet), I came across this interesting piece ... Torchwood USA (http://www.filmshaft.com/fox-plotting-us-version-of-torchwood/).

Apart from the XFiles, Fox don't have a great track record of sci-fi in recent memory. Will transplantin Torchwood to the US work? Would it be a rework like "The Office" or will it stand alone in parallel? It cold be interesting to have US and UK based Torchwood - each produced with their own local flavour, and then they have crossover episodes.

nshady

02-03-2010, 11:57 PM

I refuse to acknowledge that as a legitimate, real show.

dulica

02-27-2010, 02:46 AM

So can anyone briefly or simply explain how this series is related to Dr. Who? What I got from the one line in the mini series is that he knew Dr. Who. Is that right? Was he originally a side character in the other series? What's the deal?

the Doctor met Capt Jack during some shanigans. They know what each other are, and they help each other.