View Full Version : 'Outsiders' To Be Relaunched?
conorkilpatrick
06-21-2007, 06:50 AM
Looks like it's going to be Batman and the Outsiders again, which I am both sad and stoked about.
OUTSIDERS #50
Written by Tony Bedard
Art by Matthew Clark
Cover by Manuel Garcia
A new era dawns for the Outsiders! Batman makes a stunning last-minute change to the Outsiders’ new roster — but there’s a bigger surprise in store as the team uncovers a worldwide upheaval within the supervillain community!
On sale September 5 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US • FINAL ISSUE
http://images.newsarama.com/dcnew/Sept07/3_covs/OUT_Cv50.jpg
humphrey-lee
06-21-2007, 06:53 AM
At the least, it'll give me an excuse to try the book again. Depends on who the creative team is on relaunch.
NICE!! Looks like Checkout will have some ramifications that'll stick! Maybe I take back all my dropping it talk.
And Tony Bedard! I'm actually a fan!
Negation was one of the great Crossgen books, sadly it never got wrapped up.
acomicbookgirl
06-21-2007, 01:14 PM
Hmmm.. Interesting.. Wait? Judd Winick is not doing the last issue? :( Ay.. I guess I'll have Trials of Shazam but that's coming to an end in a couple of issues or so.
I just got some old Batman and The Outsiders issues.. I'm intrigued.
mikegraham6
06-21-2007, 08:58 PM
so i guess nightwing is gone right? the two of them don't really work togther anymore do they?
conorkilpatrick
06-21-2007, 09:05 PM
so i guess nightwing is gone right? the two of them don't really work togther anymore do they?
They do, but not on a team like this.
Man, DC just has NO CLUE as to what to do with Dick Grayson these days.
At least that's how it appears anyway.
mikegraham6
06-21-2007, 09:08 PM
They do, but not on a team like this.
Man, DC just has NO CLUE as to what to do with Dick Grayson these days.
At least that's how it appears anyway.
I told you, they should have killed him in the crisis!:D
it would have been better then leaving him the creative limbo he's been in for the past few years
conorkilpatrick
06-21-2007, 09:11 PM
I told you, they should have killed him in the crisis!:D
it would have been better then leaving him the creative limbo he's been in for the past few years
I don't completely disagree with you.
luthor
06-21-2007, 09:11 PM
They do, but not on a team like this.
Man, DC just has NO CLUE as to what to do with Dick Grayson these days.
At least that's how it appears anyway.
I have a really bad feeling about Dick and what's going to happen in Final Crisis...
davegraham
06-21-2007, 09:11 PM
The crossover with Checkmate sold me on the Outsiders for at least one more arc. Add Batman to the mix and it might just find a place for it on my pull list. Great news.
paper
06-21-2007, 09:26 PM
They do, but not on a team like this.
Man, DC just has NO CLUE as to what to do with Dick Grayson these days.
At least that's how it appears anyway.
What would you do?
mikegraham6
06-21-2007, 09:26 PM
i acatually really enjoyed the outsiders from the beginning. It wasn't amazing but it wasn't bad either. I had to drop it around issue 15 for budget reasons, and for some reason i never though of going back when my comics budget went back up...
This batman announcement seems like a good time to get back on the outsiders train
i acatually really enjoyed the outsiders from the beginning. It wasn't amazing but it wasn't bad either. I had to drop it around issue 15 for budget reasons, and for some reason i never though of going back when my comics budget went back up...
This batman announcement seems like a good time to get back on the outsiders train
Wow, we're like, the same person. Me too.
Must be a canadian thing.
marshallg
06-21-2007, 11:50 PM
Hmmm, I'm not sure how I feel about this. I'm really enjoying the current dynamic of the team, but I also like the idea of the Bat running the show.
keithm
06-22-2007, 12:30 AM
I wonder if this is going to be spurred on by something in JLA. It would seem odd for Batman to just go start his own team if everthing's copecetic with the JLA.
Either way, I'm not too broken up about this. The book started out great, but never really got back on track after Infinite Crisis.
humphrey-lee
06-22-2007, 12:35 AM
They do, but not on a team like this.
Man, DC just has NO CLUE as to what to do with Dick Grayson these days.
At least that's how it appears anyway.
Some days I can't help but think I should just submit something to DC on that character just because they might say "**** it, we ain't got nothing better." Honestly, my plan would be to just pretend the last fifty issues didn't exist, and pretend I'm Chuck Dixon and that I never left the title.
tetsujin
06-22-2007, 12:35 AM
Hopefully something good comes out of it. Until then, this sucks. Outsiders was my go to for my grayson fix. Wolfman's Nightwing bores me. The Andreyko Annual has been the only good issue in a while.
conorkilpatrick
06-22-2007, 01:26 AM
Some days I can't help but think I should just submit something to DC on that character just because they might say "**** it, we ain't got nothing better." Honestly, my plan would be to just pretend the last fifty issues didn't exist, and pretend I'm Chuck Dixon and that I never left the title.
That's a good plan.
jo-relrollins
06-22-2007, 05:38 PM
I have a really bad feeling about Dick and what's going to happen in Final Crisis...
Me too,especially with rumors abound that Dick is going to be eventually showing up in Countdown,due to him 'not being' dead and he was supposed to be.
On the Outsiders: i was getting into them,i just started reading it like 20 ishs back. I had seen some solicits for this and theirs and arc where there's like a compitition for positions. I'm confused by it but i'm jumping on. I can't wait for "Nightwing va Captain Boomerang Jr." ,sounds like an odd kids show.
I wonder if this is going to be spurred on by something in JLA. It would seem odd for Batman to just go start his own team if everthing's copecetic with the JLA.
Either way, I'm not too broken up about this. The book started out great, but never really got back on track after Infinite Crisis.
MAybe he's the new DCU Wolverine.
"C'mon guys I can't be on EVERY team"
mikegraham6
06-22-2007, 05:57 PM
MAybe he's the new DCU Wolverine.
"C'mon guys I can't be on EVERY team"
Hasn't he always been the DCU version of wolverine in that respect? He shows up in a helluva lot of books a month (including cameos and team books) but no one ever seems to complain about him in the same vein as wolverine.
Personally i don't mind them showing up everywhere (as long as it used well) because i like the characters and i like seeing how they interact with other parts of their respective Universes
Personally i don't mind them showing up everywhere (as long as it used well) because i like the characters and i like seeing how they interact with other parts of their respective Universes
I hear that. The more Batman the better. Wolverine only bugs me in Origins, everywhere else I like him.
senoj1
06-22-2007, 07:17 PM
Ya Batman is deffiantly DCU Wolverine. I still might pick up The Check-Out thing. I wanted to get the first trade of Checkmate. I've never read the Outsiders but with the Bat i might give it more of a chance.
luthor
06-23-2007, 02:10 AM
There's just something so wrong to be about Batman(BATFRIGGINMAN) being referred to as the DCU Wolverine.
Batman is one of greatest pop icon like EVER. More people know who Batman is then know what a wolverine is.
So, you don't agree? :0
How about Moon Knight. He's like Batman right? (i keed i keed)
six-gun
06-23-2007, 04:43 PM
It makes sense that Batman wouldn't want the Outsiders to have free reign and sees himself s the needed guiding hand.
Anyone else really want Phil Jimenez on at duties?
acomicbookgirl
06-23-2007, 04:58 PM
It makes sense that Batman wouldn't want the Outsiders to have free reign and sees himself s the needed guiding hand.
Anyone else really want Phil Jimenez on at duties?
I'm all in for that if that ever happened.. I'm a sucker for Phil Jimenez..
six-gun
06-23-2007, 07:51 PM
I'm all in for that if that ever happened.. I'm a sucker for Phil Jimenez..
Yeah, me too.
jgg0610
06-24-2007, 03:19 PM
This was bound to happen. I just picked the first trade and bam! they decide to radically change the title.
humphrey-lee
06-24-2007, 05:23 PM
This was bound to happen. I just picked the first trade and bam! they decide to radically change the title.
That's alright, that happened once at about issue 26 anyways.
jbeck
06-25-2007, 12:09 AM
I have a really bad feeling about Dick and what's going to happen in Final Crisis...
Does anybody else think Dick's in trouble ? Man, that'll suck if they do kill him off this time.
jgg0610
06-25-2007, 12:11 AM
Does anybody else think Dick's in trouble ? Man, that'll suck if they do kill him off this time.
Welcome to the forums Jbeck.
The ways he's been written lately, would it really be that much of a loss? Maybe it's time for a reboot of his character unless they're going to let Marc Andrecko write him.
welcome to the forums jbeck
ksteets
06-25-2007, 05:09 AM
I've been a fan of the book since it started. I wasn't too happy with the lineup during The Crisis, I had no idea what Marvel Jr was doing in this book. But since OYL I think it really jumped back. Most of all the addition of Captain Boomerang. I think they can really do alot with him and his ties with the speed force and some of the DCU characters.
jbeck
06-25-2007, 07:19 PM
Thanks for the welcomes !! As for the current state of Nightwing, I'd rather see a good writer with a strong vision for the character take the reins rather than a complicated reboot. He's been around since 1940 !!! Some writer's got to have some good ideas for him.
conorkilpatrick
07-04-2007, 12:36 AM
This evening Ron and I had the new Outsiders line up revealed to us through a piece of promotional art that will be released to the general public no later than Thursday (if it hasn't already, I couldn't find it on the net).
I was shocked, I was intrigued, I was excited.
It looks like Outsiders might be a very important book for the next, oh... 43 weeks (http://www.revision3.com/forum/showpost.php?p=155597&postcount=374).
labor_days
07-04-2007, 12:50 AM
This evening Ron and I had the new Outsiders line up revealed to us through a piece of promotional art that will be released to the general public no later than Thursday (if it hasn't already, I couldn't find it on the net).
I was shocked, I was intrigued, I was excited.
It looks like Outsiders might be a very important book for the next, oh... 43 weeks (http://www.revision3.com/forum/showpost.php?p=155597&postcount=374).Oh man, I am excited! Everything going on in the DCU as of late is so much damn fun.
conorkilpatrick
07-05-2007, 06:56 PM
Here's the art I was talking about:
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/outsiders/BOutsiders_t.jpg
mikegraham6
07-05-2007, 06:58 PM
am i alone in not liking Martian Manhunter? He was never a character that grabbed my attention and now with the crappy costume (and the angry look on his face) i am even less interested.
But i'll definitely still be picking up that book though, its a shame he's on the team
conorkilpatrick
07-05-2007, 07:02 PM
J'onn is awesome. One of my favorites. Hopefully this will be interesting because DC has done nothing with him since Infinite Crisis.
labor_days
07-05-2007, 07:04 PM
The new MM design is alright with me. Hated that shirtless, high-collared thing he had going on for years. Jesus, put a shirt on dude. This isn't Mars y'know.
(Grace & Capt. Boomerang rule.)
mikegraham6
07-05-2007, 07:05 PM
J'onn is awesome. One of my favorites. Hopefully this will be interesting because DC has done nothing with him since Infinite Crisis.
that could be the reason i find him uninteresting. I only really started getting into DC right before Infinite Crisis.
Has he had any great stories? the best thing i've ever read with him in it was New Frontier and even then he didn't play a huge role.
the-screw-on-aaron
07-05-2007, 07:07 PM
I might pick this book up when the team changes, depends on the week but this ad has tickled my fancy.
mikegraham6
07-05-2007, 07:09 PM
I might pick this book up when the team changes, depends on the week but this ad has tickled my fancy.
aren't you the same guy who is suppose to be cutting down on books because of art school:D
conorkilpatrick
07-05-2007, 07:11 PM
that could be the reason i find him uninteresting. I only really started getting into DC right before Infinite Crisis.
Has he had any great stories? the best thing i've ever read with him in it was New Frontier and even then he didn't play a huge role.
Really only in the various Justice League books. He is the heart and soul of the team. Or he was, anyway. Check out the Giffen/DeMatteis and the Morrison runs.
I kind of like new, angrier J'onn. He was always kind of too benevolent for all the shit he has gone through.
labor_days
07-05-2007, 07:12 PM
that could be the reason i find him uninteresting. I only really started getting into DC right before Infinite Crisis.
Has he had any great stories? the best thing i've ever read with him in it was New Frontier and even then he didn't play a huge role.
Morrison used Martian Manhunter in interesting ways during his run on JLA. Also, he was kinda interesting in JLU. Don't know if that counts as DC proper but there you go.
edt: Goddmanit, Connor! Your mad internet skillz are greater than mine today. 'Effing X-posts.
the-screw-on-aaron
07-05-2007, 07:13 PM
aren't you the same guy who is suppose to be cutting down on books because of art school:D
Oh…. Yeah…
it's so hard!:(:eek:
(Thanks for reminding:) me and its drama school)
godfckingdammit
now I have to buy one more book
labor_days
07-05-2007, 07:16 PM
You could stand to lose a few pounds, Fred. Just think of it as a kind of diet. Comics > lunch.
mikegraham6
07-05-2007, 07:16 PM
and its drama school)
In my best Optimus Prime Voice: "My Bad" :o
senoj1
07-05-2007, 07:20 PM
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/715/martianmanhunterma5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
This is the MM that i like. Costume-wise
the-screw-on-aaron
07-05-2007, 07:20 PM
In my best Optimus Prime Voice: "My Bad" :o
Lol! Its all good, there's a lot of drama in art classes too believe me.
I just finished reading the end of Checkout, (great stuff) and, get this, Outsiders goes WEEKLY in August!
Another weekly book? DC hates that I have to eat and pay rent.
Good news is it's only for 5 weeks.
ksteets
07-06-2007, 02:41 AM
Nice, happy Grace and Boomer are sticking around and MM has always been a favorite. Glad Aquaman didn't make the cut.
jbeck
07-06-2007, 08:36 AM
Looks to be a cool team-but couldn't they have kept Nightwing on the team ? Wait, wait think about it - Bruce could bankroll it, Dick could be " field leader " or something so Bruce wouldn't get implicated in any crazy schemes ( and the JLA could keep plausible deniability )and they could argue over tactics all the time. Right ? Come on somebody gimme an amen.
conorkilpatrick
07-06-2007, 03:26 PM
Looks to be a cool team-but couldn't they have kept Nightwing on the team ? Wait, wait think about it - Bruce could bankroll it, Dick could be " field leader " or something so Bruce wouldn't get implicated in any crazy schemes ( and the JLA could keep plausible deniability )and they could argue over tactics all the time. Right ? Come on somebody gimme an amen.
Swap out Bruce for Oliver Queen and you're pretty much describing the previous Outsiders storylines. I think they want to go in a new direction.
conorkilpatrick
07-13-2007, 09:49 PM
Whoa! It's Arthur of Maine!
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/BatsOutsiders/BMOUT-Cv1_solicit.jpg
TONY BEDARD: TALKING BATMAN AND THE OUTSIDERS (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=120695)
Newsarama: The Batman and the Outsiders ad seemed to shock fans a little bit—Batman has kind of just stepped in and helped himself to Nightwing’s team. What are Batman’s intentions here, and does this mean he’s leaving the Justice League again—like the first time he formed the Outsiders?
Tony Bedard: Batman’s playing both sides of the fence. He’s still with the Justice League, recognizing that sometimes you need the “Dream Team” of super-heroes to handle the worst threats that come along. But Batman’s also a savvy observer of the human condition, and he senses a shift in the DCU zeitgeist. A number of recent events: Black Adam’s rampage in World War III, the murder of Bart Allen, the Amazon invasion of Washington DC, etc., have pushed public mistrust of meta-humans to an all-time high. Batman also knows that super-villains are mysteriously vanishing; he does the math and sees forces at work which the Justice League isn’t designed to combat. In fact, send the Justice League or any official “good guys” against certain organizations or governments, and you lose the public acceptance those teams rely on. So Batman needs a strike team that the public already thinks are bad so if they raid the U.N. or the Vice President’s office, people shrug and say, “There they go again.” And the Outsiders fit that bill perfectly.
More in link.
horatio616
07-13-2007, 09:56 PM
What, no Looker? Is she dead?
Maybe the JLA should negotiate a trade: Aquaman for Geo-Force. I always thought A-Man should be considered one of the 'big guns' and in the JLA when they have their 'big guns' lineup.
I'm a sucker for team books and this looks interesting. Hopefully it won't be a showcase for Silver Age nostalgia like two other books that I recently dropped.
mastap
07-14-2007, 01:07 AM
I really didn't like the outsiders, by far one of Winik's worst works (and I dont like him) Doing the seemingly impossible and stealing all the fun from Metemorpho, is actually one of the smaller problems I had with it
mastap
07-14-2007, 01:15 AM
am i alone in not liking Martian Manhunter? He was never a character that grabbed my attention and now with the crappy costume (and the angry look on his face) i am even less interested.
But i'll definitely still be picking up that book though, its a shame he's on the team
Read New Frontier now. then read it again.
I like the chracter, but I do admit he's having trouble due to:
A) DC has no idea what to do with him
B) And now he looks like a skrull (see A)