'X-Men: Messiah Complex'

[jo-relrollins]

I was looking on the web and found this interview (http://comics.ign.com/articles/798/798610p1.html) with Mike Carey. It got me interested more in Messiah Complex than in Endangered Species. Also it reminded me of stuff;like i forgot Sinister was not born a mutant. Also it shows that alot of characters are gonna be playing a major role in this story. Oh and big spoiler (it states what starts this whole crossover).


So heres a spoiler from the interview:(if ur like me and going to read endanged species but don't wanna know the turn out,DON"T READ BEYOND THIS POINT)
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The first mutant child in 2 years is going to be born in the begining of "Messiah Complex". Thats gonna start this crossover and reveal a whole slew of problems for the XMen and the 198. Current enemies of all the teams are gonna go after this kid.

So i wonder is anyone else just wanting to skip Endangered Species and just get right to Messiah Complex?

[paper]

That's a cool idea. It could fight Luke and Jessica's kid.

[fred]

hmm interesting
do I want to wade through the chaff to get to the good part? dunno

[jo-relrollins]

well Mike Carey did say that before the whole M.Complex their collecting the backstory in a trade so i'm not pressed anymore. But I am getting XMen 200 this week. :)

[fred]

I've been thinking of sticking it out through Extinction Agenda. I think it's primarily so that I can stock up on birdcage liner.


(no I don't really have a bird)

[jo-relrollins]

I just wanna see. A. Which Xman bites the dust. B. Which Xman betrays the team and joins the Marauders. And C. Whats the big thing thats suppose to happen leading to the 80's-esk Xmen crossovers.

[paper]

Do they say whose kid it is? Is it just some random couple or is it somebody we know?

[fred]

Do they say whose kid it is? Is it just some random couple or is it somebody we know?

Tom Cruise and Michael Jackson

[paper]

Thanks, jerk. Those aren't even X-Men characters and they're both boys anyway (i.e. they can't have a baby together biologically).

I was excited at the idea of a Tom Cruise character in X-Men, but then I read the other name and I figured out what you were doing.

EDIT: Just because they couldn't have a biological baby doesn't mean they couldn't be good parents. Except that Michael Jackson is a bad person (Just a hint: he had a music video called Bad in the first place).

[kahunablair]

Tom Cruise and Michael Jackson

Well that would make sense. If both the parents are mutants, doesn't that means the kid gets to be one too?

[paper]

Well that would make sense. If both the parents are mutants, doesn't that means the kid gets to be one too?

That's http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/polcapn/images-1.jpg http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/polcapn/images.jpg

[jo-relrollins]

Well that would make sense. If both the parents are mutants, doesn't that means the kid gets to be one too?

Not really,there have been slight incidents where that wasn't the case. Graydon Creed as an example (Mystique and Sabretooths son). The kid will probably be the kid of some random baseline humans who are just happy to have a kid. I wonder if theres going to be a bidding war. Emma could steal the baby and make the parents think they never had one. Just saying.

[fred]

Thanks, jerk. Those aren't even X-Men characters and they're both boys anyway (i.e. they can't have a baby together biologically).


No no no, Michael Jackson isn't a boy anymore. He's a muppet. He has sex with young boys - does that count?

[acomicbookgirl]

So i wonder is anyone else just wanting to skip Endangered Species and just get right to Messiah Complex?

I'm in for both.. Make it or break it time for Marvel for me..

[acomicbookgirl]

No no no, Michael Jackson isn't a boy anymore. He's a muppet. He has sex with young boys - does that count?

This is funny yet disturbing.. I was once involved with a guy who dressed up like Michael Jackson.. Thank god he did that after he and I were not an item..

[jo-relrollins]

I'm intrigued to see how they take the old format of reading one book, then reading another to get the whole story. It hasn't been done at Marvel well since........

The Fall of the Mutants or was it Inferno, i forget. I'm excited. I just wanna see Cannonball kick some butt.

By the way one of the chapters of E. Species is all about the Guthries, due to them having the most mutants of any family(all the siblings seem to gain powers,except for one i think.). That rocks.

[fred]

This is funny yet disturbing.. I was once involved with a guy who dressed up like Michael Jackson.. Thank god he did that after he and I were not an item..

that is frightening

[acomicbookgirl]

Tell me about it.. I need years in therapy for that.

[six-gun]

The only two X-books I read are Astonishing and Uncanny, the latter is part of the crossover and I really think I;m going to end up confused if I don't buy X-forcstaticfactorman #1,456

[humphrey-lee]

Eh, I've already got a long box full of X-Men events that I really don't know what I was thinking buying (except for the fact that I was like 15 at the time) and I really don't need to fill them up more.

I'm just glad they were smart enough to make the crossover issues back up stories so that at least it's not horribly interfering with my enjoyment of X-Factor...

[paper]

So, don't we kinda know who's gonna die is there's a mini called "End of Cable" coming out? Or is that just a red herring? Maybe it just means he's out of pockets and needs to buy a fanny pack.

[kahunablair]

Fanny pack Cable huh?
I could see it, he'd just need roller blades, and a neon orange shirt. Oh and tight bicycle shorts!

[paper]

Sounds like Cyclops on Saturdays.

What comes before "crackle" and "pop"? What was it?

Ohhhhhhhhhh SNAP!

[kahunablair]

Sounds like Cyclops on Saturdays.

What comes after "crackle" and "pop"? What was it?

Ohhhhhhhhhh SNAP!


Oh so wrong, but oh so right!

[paper]

Whenever I think of Cyclops I picture Greg Kinnear in Little Miss Sunshine.

[kahunablair]

Whenever I think of Cyclops I picture Greg Kinnear in Little Miss Sunshine.

I could see it.
He actually believes in what he's selling, and just wants everyone else to buy it too. Makes sense.

So who is Toni Collete? Is she Jean or Emma?

[paper]

"Little Miss Astonishing" (almost)

Toni Collette - Dr. Xavier
Greg Kinnear - Cyclops
Alan Arkin - Wolverine
Steve Carell - Beast
Paul Dano - Blackbolt
Abigail Breslin - Kitty Pryde

[fred]

Whenever I think of Cyclops I picture Greg Kinnear in Little Miss Sunshine.

whenever I think of the word fanny pack, I think of Richard simmons. I don't know why.

[paper]

Whenever I think of the series Power Pack I think of a fanny pack filled with used AA batteries and Certs. Richard Simmons is usually wearing it.

[fred]

fanny pack filled with used AA batteries and Certs.

ditto to that

[senoj1]

They are making me buy New X-Men and X-Factor to get the whole story! :mad:
I might have to get in trades :(

[conorkilpatrick]

They are making me buy New X-Men and X-Factor to get the whole story! :mad:
I might have to get in trades :(

No one should make you buy X-Factor, it's the best X-book out there, by leaps and bounds.

[paper]

Better than Astonishing? I dunno...

That's a tough one.

[fred]

it really is though

[conorkilpatrick]

Better than Astonishing? I dunno...

That's a tough one.

Yes, better than Astonishing. The next issue for X-Factor is #20 and for Astonishing X-Men it's #22 and Astonishing has been out for a year longer. That's a big factor (no pun intended).

[paper]

Taking forever for the X-Factor trades to come out. I should revisit it.

[senoj1]

Taking forever for the X-Factor trades to come out. I should revisit it.

Maybe i should too according to Conor. Might have to pick up the issues.

[conorkilpatrick]

X-Factor Pick of the Weeks:

X-Factor #1 (http://www.ifanboy.com/archive/pickoftheweek/12142005_xfacto.html)
X-Factor #10 (http://www.ifanboy.com/archive/pickoftheweek/08302006_xfacto.html)
X-Factor #13 (http://www.ifanboy.com/archive/pickoftheweek/11222006_xfacto.html)

Funnily enough, it's one pick from each of us.

[burntlight]

I completely agree with Conor on this one. X-Factor is amazing right now. Issue #16 was my personal favorite.

I'm also not so sure that you will be upset reading the New X-Men right not. The current "Quest for Magik" has made me really happy; I may be biased tho. (I love her!)

[senoj1]

For some reason i thought there were more of this series. I can handle #18 issues. Its less then the Fables trades that i'm about to venture into.

[conorkilpatrick]

For some reason i thought there were more of this series. I can handle #18 issues. Its less then the Fables trades that i'm about to venture into.

X-Factor or New X-Men?

[paper]

Both are longer than 18 right?

[senoj1]

X-Factor is what i meant for the 18-19 issues. I went on Mycomicshop.com and it says its at 19 right now for X-Factor.

[paper]

Aaaaand 20's out on wednesday.

[jo-relrollins]

New X-Men isn't that bad if u take it for what it is. Its pretty much a tale of the kids at the school and that they are cannon-fodder. I mean at least one dies every issue.

Oh and I agree,X-Factor is the best X book right now. I meanAstonishing is great but i never know when its coming out. I thought it was Bi-Monthly but it seems like every 6 months.

[paper]

I think my perspective is definitely skewed because I read the first three trades of Astonishing in the space of a month and then caught up with the two most recent single issues.

[jo-relrollins]

I think as far as the X books Astonishing and X Factor are neck and neck. I think a factor in ruling which one is best by most ppl is also how many times it comes out regularly. Which Astonishing takes a while to do. But i think both are number 1 as far as X books go.

[paper]

I'm also very forgiving of Whedon. If he walked up to me, looked me in the eye, ripped one of the kidney's from my back, signed it, and handed it back to me, I would be shy and grateful. So I haven't minded the wait so far. But then I'm new.

[jo-relrollins]

i'm know,anything joss touches is gold.

[senoj1]

I'd let Brubaker or Bendis rip out my kidney if they promised i would live and the blood from it was in the ink of they next comics, KISS comic book style.

[paper]

Here is a list of people I'd let pull out my kidney:

Whedon
Brubaker
Bendis
BKV
Judd Apatow
Jimmy Stewart
Mos Def
Mr. Feeny
Angela Lansbury

Notice that there are no doctors on this list and one dead person.

[burntlight]

I really liked astonishing until recently. And its not only the schedule that bothers me but the shortness of each issue. And did nobody else find the last three pages of issue #21 odd?

[cam-]

I really liked astonishing until recently. And its not only the schedule that bothers me but the shortness of each issue. And did nobody else find the last three pages of issue #21 odd?

Odd? How so?

[jo-relrollins]

Emma saying "Kill Me Quickly". The page was a little confusing.

[cam-]

IT's crazy, it's been so long since I've read it I barely remember what happened.

[burntlight]

I may be in the minority of actually liking emma and scott together, but when they are attacked and Scott is badly hurt, Emma says to "kill her." The whole scene feels hammy and out-of-nowhere. I've seen great interactions between these characters and it is obvious that they care about each other. But I just felt that this was awkward and unnecessary.

[cam-]

I may be in the minority of actually liking emma and scott together

I don't know about that, I for one love them together. It's one of the things I loved about Morrison's New X-men, the scene where Jean finally lets Scott go was great.

[six-gun]

1. I don't think X-Factor holds a candle to Astonishing.

However...

2. It's taking forever for Marvel to trade the second X-Factor volume so I'm not the best judge of the book's quality.

3. Brubaker is apparently not writing the Uncanny Endangered Species tie-in (dropped!)

[fred]

1. I don't think X-Factor holds a candle to Astonishing.



I like Astonishing too, but it's nowhere near as good as X-Factor (to me). It doesn't help that it doesn't ever come out, but that's not the only reason. It's just not as fun.

[cancelhoo]

I could never get into astonishing, which is weird considering how much i love emma, because I couldn't figure out if it was in continuity. Now I have a totally irrational dislike for the book. I love the art, but the writing feels inauthentic... for an x title that is, not for a joss whedon story.

Maybe if I read it as a whedon story I would like it.

[ekval]

I could never get into astonishing, which is weird considering how much i love emma, because I couldn't figure out if it was in continuity. Now I have a totally irrational dislike for the book. I love the art, but the writing feels inauthentic... for an x title that is, not for a joss whedon story.

Maybe if I read it as a whedon story I would like it.

Somehow I feel that the writing in this book is way more authentically "X-men" than most of the other X-titles (excepting X-factor). Or maybe it is just the presence of characters I actually give a crap about...

[jo-relrollins]

Was rereading the issue of XFactor before last and came up with a question: Could this upcoming birth of a new mutant baby be M's child with Jamie? I mean no other book is touching this and i know that all the core X books are supposed to head towards their own connection to Messiah Complex. So i thought that might be a possibility.

[jimski]

Has it really been over a decade since the last X-over? (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/xmen/disassembled/X-Who.html) The X-Men are the main characters I think of when I think "unnecessary 20-part crossover." My mind is blown.

Does the world need X-Force again?

[jo-relrollins]

i actually liked xfactor when it first started,i was a new mutants fan. I think books 1-25 were the best but somewhere with the whole rejoining the xmen then seperating arc,it got really annoying and off track. In Feb. i'll pick up number 1 of the new XForce just to see whats up.

[mikegraham6]

i really liked x-force back in the day but this teaser looks really lame... it's basically the shadow x-men from Excalibur but with different characters, im not a fan of cable but i did like the team they used to have but do we really need another book starring Wolverine?

[jo-relrollins]

maybe they'll stop using wolverine in all the books once he is in XForce.




Ok, yeah right. Thats like their selling tool for half their books.

[jimski]

While I am all in favor of a shake-up for the "x-books," I realize now that I have been exempting X-Factor all this time and would very much like to see that book stay just the way it is. Eek!

[patio]

Michael Jackson is a bad person (Just a hint: he had a music video called Bad in the first place).

Michael Jackson is innocent. Why? He made "Thriller" beeyach!

[cam-]

Hmmmm there sure are a lot of claws in that X-force tease.

The only one who doesn't have claws is Proudstar and he's got knives.

Are they really gonna do a book about hacking and slashing bad guys? I hope so, guess it's not for the kids eh?

[cam-]

Michael Jackson is innocent. Why? He made "Thriller" beeyach!

I mean sure he touched a few children, but it's MICHAEL JACKSON.

See south park...

[iSteve]

MARVEL RELEASES MESSIAH COMPLEX PEEKS
Press Release

Since the events of M-Day, the mutant population has been reduced to a mere handful and no new mutants have been born. But all that changes in the highly-anticipated, extra-sized X-Men: Messiah CompleX One-Shot, from Eisner and Harvey winning “Best Writer” Ed Brubaker and superstar artist Marc Silvestri, when the X-Men discover a new mutant has arrived. But this cause for celebration is tainted by the early arrival of the Marauders and the Purifiers—and with those two groups involved, the X-Men may not find this mutant! But if they do, will this new player prove to be their savior or a harbinger of doom for mutantkind? A perfect jumping on point for new readers, this special one-shot sets the stage for the jaw-dropping changes to come! This issue features NINE extra pages of hints of what’s to come, drawn by someof the hottest talents today while red-hot artists David Finch and Silvestri provide two stunning covers, with the latter available as the X-Men: Messiah CompleX Poster.

“I cannot wait to get this book into the fans hands,” says editor Nick Lowe. “We’ve been planning this event for so long and I’ve been rejoicing behind the lines as each script and page of art came in. It’s a simple story with knock-out art that is going to remind the comics world that X-Men is the hottest ticket in town.”

Continuing weekly through the X-Men, Uncanny X-Men, X-Factor and New X-Men, Messiah Complex marks the first major X-Men event in over ten years! New alliances will be forged; new leaders will be chosen; friends will become enemies and no one will ever be the same.

“We are dying to get our hands on ‘Messiah Complex,’” gushed Richard George of IGN.Com in their look at can’t miss fall events.

This October, the hunt is on…and the prize is the fate of mutantkind! You can’t afford to miss what will become known as the most crucial chapter in mutant history and it all begins in X-Men: Messiah CompleX One-Shot!

[iSteve]

ON MESSIAH COMPLEX I: ED BRUBAKER KICKS IT OFF (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=132737)

Sure, sure, Ed Brubaker’s getting all kinds of buzz and talk right now for the upcoming Captain America arc, which sees a new star-spangled Avenger sporting new, Alex Ross designed togs (which also add a whole new level of meaning to the phrase “bust a cap in yo ass”), but the writer also has a little something else coming this month as well – he’s the first writer on tap for Marvel’s X-Men crossover event, Messiah Complex.

The storyline essentially follows from the fallout of M-Day, that is, back at the end of House of M when the Scarlet Witch said, “No more mutants.” The rapid effect was that the vast majority of mutants in the Marvel Universe were depowered. The secondary effect? Her statement was absolute, as in “No more mutants…ever.” No mutant babies ever again. As a species, the present-day members of Homo superior are it.

Or are they?

The simple, yet amazingly blasphemous tag for Messiah Complex: and lo, unto them, a child is born.

We hit up Brubaker to talk about launching the 13-chapter crossover...

[racemccloud]

Tough to say when it hasn't started, but I haven't bought the X-Books on any regular basis for ages (except X-Factor; Peter David can do no wrong, except when he does), but I'm contemplating jumping on board for this. I'm on the fence. Anyone have any idea which side I should land on? And I'll never buy it in trade. I have to many other trades to get to.

[jimski]

I have not given this much thought, but it occurs to me suddenly that I buy two or three of the titles involved... but not all of them, and not all the time. Is this one of those long-forgotten x-overs where part I is in X-Men and part II is in X-factor, and if I miss one I miss the story? If so, then put me down for an order of Nay with a side of irritated.

[kwok_talk]

At first Nay, but the closer it gets, the more Yay I get. I think I've just been wanting some huge cohesive X-universe story

[davegraham]

I've been thinking about it. I have been thinking about picking up Uncanny, I already pick up X-Factor, and if I am going to read those two I might as well jump into the latest X-crossover. Then I look into my wallet and I can't pick up that many books without dropping other stuff and I am liking most of the stuff I regularly buy. So "Ney" for now. "Yey" when there is a trade available at the library.

[humphrey-lee]

I buy one X-book now, and I really prefer it that way so nope...

[iSteve]

Yay in the sense that I buy all four of the books that the series will appear in. But I am dubious about the series as a whole. If it's great, then wonderful, but I'm not betting on it.

[diabhol]

I'm contemplating jumping on board for this. I'm on the fence. Anyone have any idea which side I should land on? And I'll never buy it in trade. I have to many other trades to get to.

If you're not buying any X-books, I don't know why you'd be interested.

Me, I'm buying all of them (except the Wolverine titles and Exiles, if that counts), so I'm completely on board. I love the X books.


--Marshall

[charlesdacriticczar]

i read X-Men, X-Factor and New X-men...so if it doesn't happen in those and maybe I'll return to Uncanny then no.

[patio]

I dropped both Uncanny and Vanilla X-Men a couple months ago and i haven't missed them. (ok, I do browse them in the store, but that's it, I swear!) I'm thinking Nay unless the art really wows me. Is the writer Brubaker or Carey?
Actually, y'know what? It doesn't matter because neither has been great on the X-titles.

[cam-]

Yeah, some Questions about this, is it an endangerd species style crossover as all backups? Cause if so then I'm not interested, I don't think 8 page chapters get enough done.

Part of the reason I didn't get Marvel COmics presents. DId anyone else? Any good?

[mikegraham6]

i'll be picking up the one-shot (if it's in stock) and i'll give it a shot for at least one or two books that i don't normally read but if it turns out to be a stinker, then i have no problem dropping it mid-storyline

[jimski]

wait... how many parts is this?

[mikegraham6]

wait... how many parts is this?
twelve parts i think (don't quote me on this) but that sounds like too much to me

[jo-relrollins]

I say Yay for me. Only because i read all the books involved anyways.

Pretty much it starts with the one shot and runs in parts through all the books fully. Think of it as a modern day Mutant Massacre or Inferno. Pretty much I think there is a chance that if ur not reading one of the books involved you might be lost. But i don't know that officially.

The story itself involves a birth that could be a mutant or something more, a betrayal, and a decision that could and should change the future of the Xmen, I'm kinda excited. Also hyped because this will launch the New Xforce book.

[horatio616]

The very idea of this would make Ron faint but I have a complete run of Uncanny from about 150 to about four or five issues ago. I just dropped it. I've read Uncanny X-Men since 1978 but I really can't stand it anymore. I couldn't take this crap anymore. This book has been God-awful for years and keeps getting worse. Yes, the promos do look interesting, but it's tied into that stupid "event" M-Day, so I'll have no part of it. When even Brubaker can't pull the X-Men from the muck, what hope do we have? At least I'll have Astonishing for a little while longer.

[jimski]

See... Mutant Massacre and Fall of the Mutants were such innocent beginnings. If you just wanted to read X-Factor, you just read X-Factor and it was fine. Then Inferno came along, and it was all downhill from there.

I'm not as wary of buying four books to get the story as I am of a twelve-chapter story where every other chapter is written by a different person. Inferno is the example that always comes to mind; you were reading this story about the X-Men, and then in the next chapter of the same story suddenly the perspective would change and everyone suddenly looked and acted differently because you weren't in the X-Men's book anymore. You would hope that they are avoiding those pitfalls after years of experience, but the whole round-robin element of the project makes me less eager to drop my cash.

(Did you ever try to pick up an old run of a series that did one of these crossovers? You're reading Peter David's X-Factor from the nineties and suddenly, "next issue: part IV of a story you don't have the first three parts of! Enjoy!" Bumps me every time.)

[horatio616]

See... Mutant Massacre and Fall of the Mutants were such innocent beginnings. If you just wanted to read X-Factor, you just read X-Factor and it was fine. Then Inferno came along, and it was all downhill from there.

I'm not as wary of buying four books to get the story as I am of a twelve-chapter story where every other chapter is written by a different person. Inferno is the example that always comes to mind; you were reading this story about the X-Men, and then in the next chapter of the same story suddenly the perspective would change and everyone suddenly looked and acted differently because you weren't in the X-Men's book anymore. You would hope that they are avoiding those pitfalls after years of experience, but the whole round-robin element of the project makes me less eager to drop my cash.

(Did you ever try to pick up an old run of a series that did one of these crossovers? You're reading Peter David's X-Factor from the nineties and suddenly, "next issue: part IV of a story you don't have the first three parts of! Enjoy!" Bumps me every time.)

Ah, your example hits home for me. I loved Mutant Massacre and Fall of the Mutants. Kitty permanently intangible? Nightcrawler maimed? Colossus paralyzed? At the time I was naive enough to think I'd never see these guys again!

I hated Inferno not only for the crossover, but also for the way they treated Maddie Pryor. Even as a naive kid I could spot a retcon disguised as a story a mile away.

I suppose this is all Crisis on Infinite Earth's fault?

[jo-relrollins]

Just curious if anyone picked up the one shot and new xmen. Just wanting to know the 'jist' of what happened couldn't pick up my books this week.

[mikegraham6]

Just curious if anyone picked up the one shot and new xmen. Just wanting to know the 'jist' of what happened couldn't pick up my books this week.
was new x-men part of the crossover? i thought it started in Uncanny next week

[six-gun]

I'm going to follow this event via wikipedia, it looks cool, but I have no previous context to relate to

[iSteve]

was new x-men part of the crossover? i thought it started in Uncanny next week

The New X-Men isn't directly related to the crossover though it does introduce some themes connected to Messiah Complex. It all begins with the one-shot.

[davegraham]

I don't mean to step on what sounds like a decent X-Men crossover, but something just occured to me that might spoil this story. Didn't Bendis or Quesada state there wouldn't be any new mutants characters in the Marvel universe for at least five year after House of M? Or am I imagining that?

[conorkilpatrick]

In explaining the decision to cut down on the number of mutants in the Marvel Universe, Quesada said that part of the X-Men's appeal was that mutants were a minority, and that allowed for empathy with readers. As Quesada explained, that feeling of "minority" had been lost over the years.

Editorially, Quesada added, there is now a mandate that no new mutants can be created wholesale - only five or six new mutant-based characters that were already in the pipeline will be seen. And that the ones going away won’t be coming back...

"As long as I'm here as Editor in Chief, they're not coming back,” he said, later promising that there won't be a big event in two years where all the missing mutants come back.

Quesada further went on to say that reducing the number of X-Men has been a priority since he began as Editor-in-Chief at Marvel, and noted that he has another genie that he wants to put back in the bottle, but did not elaborate on it further.

[davegraham]

Well that answers that. Thanks :)

[kahunablair]

Wow. That is pretty incredible.

You can't say Quesada doesn't know what he wants huh?

[davegraham]

Wow. That is pretty incredible.

You can't say Quesada doesn't know what he wants huh?

Do you get the impression that Quesada is stretching out this drawing gig on One More Day, because, after the reboot, Peter & MJ will be split, and there will be nothing else for him to work towards?

I guess there is making sure Cap is still dead, but I think Brubaker has the well covered all on his own.

[conorkilpatrick]

Do you get the impression that Quesada is stretching out this drawing gig on One More Day, because, after the reboot, Peter & MJ will be split, and there will be nothing else for him to work towards?

They are losing way too much money for that to be the case. If it were true, he would be fired immediately.

[cam-]

Well the good news is they'll have lots of Spidey in the can for when it does go "weekly-ish".

[davegraham]

They are losing way to much money for that to be the case. If it were true, he would be fired immediately.

I was just being silly.

[valoharth]

In explaining the decision to cut down on the number of mutants in the Marvel Universe, Quesada said that part of the X-Men's appeal was that mutants were a minority, and that allowed for empathy with readers. As Quesada explained, that feeling of "minority" had been lost over the years.

Editorially, Quesada added, there is now a mandate that no new mutants can be created wholesale - only five or six new mutant-based characters that were already in the pipeline will be seen. And that the ones going away won’t be coming back...

"As long as I'm here as Editor in Chief, they're not coming back,” he said, later promising that there won't be a big event in two years where all the missing mutants come back.

Quesada further went on to say that reducing the number of X-Men has been a priority since he began as Editor-in-Chief at Marvel, and noted that he has another genie that he wants to put back in the bottle, but did not elaborate on it further.


Yea I wasn't really all that happy with house of M's out come (but I accept that it needed to happen because they were entering third act territory), and I've been thinking about what Mutants that they kept around and they ether kept the really powerful ones or the really bottom of the barrel types (*chough* Cyclops*chough* j/k). I think it really has motivated better story telling, however, they are going to have to create new mutants because its getting boring seeing the same people being converted into Apocalypse 4 horse men. Gotta admit though when the guy gets a plan he sticks to it.

[davegraham]

Yea I wasn't really all that happy with house of M's out come (but I accept that it needed to happen because they were entering third act territory), and I've been thinking about what Mutants that they kept around and they ether kept the really powerful ones or the really bottom of the barrel types (*chough* Cyclops*chough* j/k). I think it really has motivated better story telling, however, they are going to have to create new mutants because its getting boring seeing the same people being converted into Apocalypse 4 horse men. Gotta admit though when the guy gets a plan he sticks to it.

Or they could just, you know, stop turning mutants into Apocalypse's horse men. I like the No More Mutants ending because it has made the X-Universe more interesting. Then again that could also be the creative people telling the stories who are making things interesting. Bottom line, No More Mutants was an editorial decision that pushed strong stories and not necessarily marketing, which I applaud Quaseda for.

I hope the guy writes a book when he is all done with E-of-C at Marvel.It should be very interesting.

[kahunablair]

Or they could just, you know, stop turning mutants into Apocalypse's horse men. ....

BLASPHEMY!!!!

I hope the guy writes a book when he is all done with E-of-C at Marvel.It should be very interesting.
I'd buy that book in a heart beat.

[diabhol]

Didn't Bendis or Quesada state there wouldn't be any new mutants characters in the Marvel universe for at least five year after House of M? Or am I imagining that?

Yeah, they talked him out of that when they cooked up Messiah Complex.


They talk about it in Marvel's Messiah Complex podcast. http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.1753.X-Men:_Messiah_CompleX_Podcast_Now_Available

Personally, I'm excited. :)

[valoharth]

BLASPHEMY!!!!
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Dang nabbit! Kahunablair beat me to the punch!

[bogotoko]

Quesada... the grime-reaper of the Marvel Universe.

Hopefully, Messiah Complex will set everything right with the muties...

Boy I miss the 90's!:cool:

[cormano]

I haven't read an X-Men book other than the first trade of Astonishing since the 90's, but I just picked up the first two parts of this crossover. I recently listened to all the episodes of The Uncanny X-Cast after someone on this board mentioned their "Retro Reviews" segment and now with two of the iFanboys reading this, I figured "What the Hell?"

I think I'll go start reading these now and see if I've made a terrible mistake or not.

[cormano]

Okay, I read them both, but now I'm realizing the mistake may not have been wasting money on bad comics, but rather starting something that is going to cost me a lot of money if I keep enjoying them this much.

Really though, I loved both issues and didn't realize how much I missed these these big X-Men stories. These were both written by Brubaker, though, we'll see if it stays this consistent with all the different writers.

[nicknack18]

did any one read Uncanny this week? i dont know about you but i Loved this issue after being disappointed with the last two arcs. It was classic x-men style and i was really happy to see it. Nightcrawler(my fav) was bamfing everywhere and had more then one line of dialogue, cyke taking charge and verbally beating down prof. x, and just having a cross over for the first time in 10 years and looking foward to it b/c unlike last time there isnt 20 x books out only 4.

[diabhol]

I recently listened to all the episodes of The Uncanny X-Cast after someone on this board mentioned their "Retro Reviews" segment and now with two of the iFanboys reading this, I figured "What the Hell?"

I think I'll go start reading these now and see if I've made a terrible mistake or not.

I do really enjoy The Uncanny X-Cast and the Retro Reviews are probably the best part of it.

I keep forgetting to e-mail them corrections for all the stuff they get wrong, though... :)

[mikegraham6]

Really though, I loved both issues and didn't realize how much I missed these these big X-Men stories. These were both written by Brubaker, though, we'll see if it stays this consistent with all the different writers.

well i can see your point but i have faith. bad story arcs aside, each of the x-writers is accomplished in their own right and have written some stellar stories (x-men or not), so the potential is definitely there.
Im super stoked!!

[bogotoko]

Brubaker is an awesome writer, and Billy Tan has some great pencils! Although I miss Jim Lee :( ... again, retro 90's

I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for the Ultimates 3 to come out!

[jimski]

Hey...

...has Kitty been in any of these books?

[darron]

Although I miss Jim Lee

I think that's the first time Ive ever read that in a forum. Real guts, kid.

Question...will Messiah Complex, when traded, re- kindle the love of the X-men from a person lost to the franchise long ago?

[darkknightjrk]

I haven't read much of the 616 X-Men comics (mostly because all the different universes and continuity changes and team rosters make my soul hurt), so, to someone who hasn't been deep in the lore, how is it?

[conorkilpatrick]

Hey...

...has Kitty been in any of these books?

I don't think so...

[jimski]

Hm.

Does she die in Astonishing #24?

Tin foil hat on

[gungadin]

I haven't read much of the 616 X-Men comics (mostly because all the different universes and continuity changes and team rosters make my soul hurt), so, to someone who hasn't been deep in the lore, how is it?

Well at the end of this there should be some change-ups... But it's good. I don't know a LOT about X-Men, but I know enough... I'm not lost at all...

Question...will Messiah Complex, when traded, re- kindle the love of the X-men from a person lost to the franchise long ago?

It's pretty fantastic... it reads great week to week and I'm sure it'll read better in trade...

Hm.

Does she die in Astonishing #24?

Tin foil hat on

She better not!!! *THREATEN THREATEN!* I LOVE Kitty, she's one of my favoritist X-Men!

[kwok_talk]

Hey...

...has Kitty been in any of these books?
You mean currently? She was in the books leading up to Messiah Complex (where Destiny's diaries were stolen). Weren't those just right before the event kicked off?

[jo-relrollins]

You mean currently? She was in the books leading up to Messiah Complex (where Destiny's diaries were stolen). Weren't those just right before the event kicked off?

yeah,Kitty was apart of the whole lead up story. She was the only one who knew where the destiny diaries were. So she was a sort of pivotal person in that story. But i was curious where she was too. And i was also confused why XFactor was in the last issue but didn't get to do anything. I wanted to see Siryn and Monet in some action. But i'm loving this crossover.

[jimski]

I'm bummed about Wolfsbane's presence in "X-Force"; it'd be nice if X-Factor didn't get its members cherry-picked. (I still miss Havok and Polaris from the nineties.)

[gungadin]

(I still miss Havok and Polaris from the nineties.)

You can still see them (I think!)! Aren't they in Emperor Vulcan or something?

[jo-relrollins]

another thing that has been bothering. Where's Rogue? I know she is with Sinister and all, but she hasn't been seen, only mentioned since the beginning of the last arc.

[52878org]

I have been loving this story but there was a few books where. I was thinking this was going to be a other BS X-Men story line. After reading new X-men 45 and I am so in love with this story one more time. My girlfriend thinks the baby is Jean Grey (Phoenix) and she does not read comics what so ever. All she knows about the X-Men is the stuff that I tell her and that 1990's fox cartoon. I would love for the baby to be Cable.

[jo-relrollins]

I would actually love to know who the baby actually is. I mean at this point she's only known as "the baby". I wanna know parentage and a name. I'm also curious as to what will happen to her in the end of the crossover.

[gungadin]

I would actually love to know who the baby actually is. I mean at this point she's only known as "the baby". I wanna know parentage and a name. I'm also curious as to what will happen to her in the end of the crossover.

Maybe the baby just spontaneously appeared....

[kwok_talk]

Maybe the baby just spontaneously appeared....
It's Peter and MJ's kid??? ;)

[gungadin]

It's Peter and MJ's kid??? ;)

The retcon makes Spidey a mutant!!!! :eek:

Who has to make his own webshooters.... :(

[jo-relrollins]

The retcon makes Spidey a mutant!!!! :eek:

Who has to make his own webshooters.... :(

Well it would only make him better. It can't be worse. How about "Another Good Day Complex"

Sorry,had to crack at that one.

The baby could be Madelyn Pryor reborn.

[kwok_talk]

Is it confirmed that it's a girl? Can't recall.

[52878org]

Ha Ha let's not hope for one of these " Another Good Day Complex". I think is also knowing only as the baby right now. No one knows the sex of the baby as of the last part of Messiah Complex (X-Men 2006).Does anyone know ??? if is a boy or girl or maybe it. That's it I found it is Cousin itt from The Addams Family.

[jo-relrollins]

Its kinda funny some places they say he, some say she. Even the writers have been odd about mentioning the gender. I even heard one place she had red hair and green eyes. But sometimes shes drawn with blond hair. This is becoming a red herring. I mean besides all the crazyness. The next big question is "What is this baby?". I'm starting to laugh at my own confusion.

By the way, is that a Simon Dark profile pic?

[52878org]

Yeah Jo-RelRollins that is SImon Dark a great book that I don't thing the guys have talk about yet.


Also my name is Simon so I love having someone in Gotham City. With the same name.

[mikegraham6]

Jimski's avatar is ADORABLE! that Ramos sure knows how to draw baby eyes!


even i can't tell whether im being sarcastic or not....:rolleyes:

[conorkilpatrick]

Yeah Jo-RelRollins that is SImon Dark a great book that I don't thing the guys have talk about yet.

Yes, we have. (http://www.ifanboy.com/archive/weblog/ifanboy_reviews.html)

[jimski]

Jimski's avatar is ADORABLE! that Ramos sure knows how to draw baby eyes!

even i can't tell whether im being sarcastic or not....:rolleyes:

Is that not a riot? I turned the page and instantly knew, "This is everything about Ramos that drives people crazy in a nutshell." I almost went looking for that picture of Rogue instead.

[52878org]

Yes, we have. (http://www.ifanboy.com/archive/weblog/ifanboy_reviews.html)

Oh my bad sorry about that guys.

[52878org]

I got done with Uncanny X-men 494 late last night but I did enjoy it. I found some the line in there very bad such as the one with Jamie Madrox " My god...This future sucks" but it was cool to see a young Lucas Bishop. The fight if you want to called that with Bishop and Gambit was great I just wish there was a bit more of that. Also what the hell is up with Cable's plan b. The story line ends in the next two books I guess will have to wait till X-Factor 27. Thank god it comes out on wednesday.

[gungadin]

I got done with Uncanny X-men 494 late last night but I did enjoy it. I found some the line in there very bad such as the one with Jamie Madrox " My god...This future sucks" but it was cool to see a young Lucas Bishop. The fight if you want to called that with Bishop and Gambit was great I just wish there was a bit more of that. Also what the hell is up with Cable's plan b. The story line ends in the next two books I guess will have to wait till X-Factor 27. Thank god it comes out on wednesday.

There's actually three more parts: X-Factor, New X-Men, and then a wrap up in Adjectiveless...

[jo-relrollins]

i'm curious how its gonna wrap up. I know that Predator X finally gets to the mansion(i heard rumors another xman will die by this thing). And I think they'll be some in fighting with the maruaders. But thats all hearsay. So i'm anxious for wednesday,so i can see what happens.

[52878org]

I hope that 4 eyes aka Cyclops will die because he is a pain in my ass right now.

[conorkilpatrick]

I hope that 4 eyes aka Cyclops will die because he is a pain in my ass right now.

Howcome ?

[charlesdacriticczar]

i just want gambit to be fixed, cause what they did with him was stupid and outta character. the guy was stranded in antartica for not telling the full truth about his involvement with mr sinister then he's just gonna join back up with him, they gotta explain it. but so far this is the best x story in awhile, which isnt really saying too much.

[keithm]

Yeah, hopefully Gambit and Sunfire's involvement with the Mauraders will be explained. I guess we might just have to assume that they went to Sinister to get put back to normal after being turned into Horsemen by Apocalypse. On the other hand, maybe they just genuinely believe that Sinister having the baby is what's best for Mutantkind.

Also, it is odd that the X-Men haven't tried to investigate the parents of the child. It seems like this would be a pretty important point for them.

[jimski]

It occurred to me last week that the reason no one is using gender pronouns for the baby is that no one knows its gender. The only person we "know" who's had the kid long enough to change a diaper is Cable. Everybody else just knows they're looking for a baby.

I... was not clamoring for a Gambit/Bishop fight. Though it is nice to determine who is champion in the Battle of Nineties X-Men With Incredibly Lame Names and Non-Descript Exploding Pink 'Energy' Powers. (Does Bishop still do that? I have been following his character since District X, and in all that time he seems primarily to have the power of gun-having.)

[charlesdacriticczar]

I... was not clamoring for a Gambit/Bishop fight. Though it is nice to determine who is champion in the Battle of Nineties X-Men With Incredibly Lame Names and Non-Descript Exploding Pink 'Energy' Powers. (Does Bishop still do that? I have been following his character since District X, and in all that time he seems primarily to have the power of gun-having.)


non descript:confused:...i coulda sworn they've said that its the speeding up of kinetic energy in non organic objects as far as gambit goes about a million times...lol


but your right about the gambit/bishop thing, they used to do it all the time back in the day.

[jo-relrollins]

i can say Conor got his wish. Cause stealing Ron's word's;in Xfactor "stuff happened". Boy did it. I'll wait to give it away.

[jonathand-gordon]

Messiah Complex has got me in the stores every Wednesday err.... Friday.
I haven't been that way in a long time. Usually If I get in on a thursday or a saturday thats fine. But I need to get that next issue of x-men by 1p.m. on wedesday err.... Friday.

[charlesdacriticczar]

read it last night at about 8...whoa...this is the x-men i remember during elementary,middle, and high school...awww yeah

[deezer]

X-Factor was awesome, I actually found myself so excited to read Messiah Complex that I did away with my system of most anticipated books last. I can't wait to see where this stuff ends up going...

and, more and more, I find myself agreeing with the rumors that the new mutant is a reincarnation of Jean Grey, and I'm not sure how i feel about that

[jonathand-gordon]

X-Factor was awesome, I actually found myself so excited to read Messiah Complex that I did away with my system of most anticipated books last. I can't wait to see where this stuff ends up going...

and, more and more, I find myself agreeing with the rumors that the new mutant is a reincarnation of Jean Grey, and I'm not sure how i feel about that

Now that we know its a girl (with red hair) how are we to not believe it is jean grey or rachel grey. My guess it is rachel grey who knew she was suppposed to be born sometime in the past.

If it is Jean, I am good with that.

[cam-]

Well, I don't know, but Ron did mention in the podcast, Alaska, and Sinister wants the baby...

Madelyne? (who of course is a clone, but still)

[r0blaw]

Whoever the baby is will be nice to find out. I'm just giddy that I'm enjoying so many X-books at once. I know it won't last forever though

[fanboys-strike-back]

I think this has been great and it was cool to visit a young Lucas Bishop and get more info about his future.

I loved the tattoo transferring over to Jamie Prime I almost got chills when I saw that.

And with all of this going on the thing that I am most concerned about it little Layla Miller, she's probably the best new character I've seen in years.

I have no idea how this is going to end but I'm excited to see it!

[jo-relrollins]

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i checked out the preview for next months XFactor, and i don't wanna give anything away, But Layla isn't coming back to this time anytime soon. As far as the preview is written she survives its just there is a dilema in getting her home. I think that might be a part of Peter David's new arc, I also her we might see some new faces joining Jamie's investigation team.

[venom62]

Am I the only one that is still finding this to be a bit boring? I mean the first 10 issues were thrilling, but now I need something to happen.

Sure there was the "death" of a major villain, but I seriously doubt he will even stay "dead" till the end of the next issue.

I personally want more to slip out about the baby other than it's a girl. 13 issues and we learn its gender. Not the parents or the power or why it’s the 1st baby born with the X genes since M day.

I hope that all that must be coming out over the remaining few issues will give some satisfaction. I just think the pace needed to be different. I feel like the last issues will not be enough space to tell a complete conclusion to all the build up.

Perhaps I was just expecting too much and I fear I'm being let down. I hope I’m wrong since this has been a fun xover. It just hasn't delivered yet on all my expectations.

[cam-]

Am I the only one that is still finding this to be a bit boring? I mean the first 10 issues were thrilling, but now I need something to happen.



I get the impression from the podcast that Conor feels the same way.

[fanboys-strike-back]

Venom62 makes a good point, we need to know a little more about the baby and I'm assuming that we're going to get that.

I think a big question is the parents, were they human or mutant, and were they familiar.

That could be a huge reveal

[conorkilpatrick]

I get the impression from the podcast that Conor feels the same way.

You are correct, sir.

[venom62]

Venom62 makes a good point, we need to know a little more about the baby and I'm assuming that we're going to get that.

I think a big question is the parents, were they human or mutant, and were they familiar.

That could be a huge reveal

Another good point. If they were Mutant, shouldn't the XMen know who the parents are since they know most of the mutants on the planet left since Mday?

[cam-]

Whoever they were we have to assume they're dead right? Alaska was kindof a mess by the time the X-men got there.

[venom62]

Whoever they were we have to assume they're dead right? Alaska was kindof a mess by the time the X-men got there.

I think your right. but who knows? in 10 years we could find out it's Gambit and Rogue's kid from an alt timeline.

[jo-relrollins]

well i'm excited that there was actual action in XFactor(since in this crossover XFactor has barely had any action). But i'm sort of spooked that next issue might be a letdown. I assume Part 13 will be an epilogue, so I'm guessing something has to happen between next week and the week after. I have discovered the name for the next big arc in Xmen though.

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[kahunablair]

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"Devided We Stand". I wonder what that means.

Isn't the whole X-Men Disassembled supposed to start next? I'd imagine dividing the teams up is the start.

[jo-relrollins]

Maybe thats why its titled that way. I also think there will be some kinda disagreement about wht occurs during Messiah Complex. Some interview i read, with either Brubaker or Carey, stated tht al the Xmen follow Cyclops but some didn't exactly agree with what happened, which leads to Storm returning and things like that. Pretty much is noone wants to be insubodinate, but some might speak up in the end. I think that leads to the whole "Devided we Stand"/"Dissassembled" arcs.

[davegraham]

Maybe it means that the X-Men don't come out of the crossover in a good place. They could have a better chance at survival if they are divided into multiple groups. It doesn't make a whole lot of real world sense to concentrate the diminished mutant population in one area. It makes it easier for another Genosha-kind attack to exterminate mutants.

[jo-relrollins]

I agree because over the last two years since "house of M", all the main mutants except for XFactor have been at the mansion, and as we've seen; they're sitting ducks there. And since Mystique now has the baby,i'm guessing she's running off with it unless the last two parts say differently.

[shaundaniels]

Pretty much spoiler free and I do apologize I did not read the last issue of New X-men so if anything is explained there then oh well

So I came home to find issue 207 of X-men in my mail box. To my surprise my wife got me a subscription to X-men (which is I guess changing to X-Men Legacy?) So I ripped through it pretty quick and I'm not sure if it's an ending or just a sort of launching pad for the new revamped titles. There is a moment where at first I said oh shit but then remembered it had happened a few times before. What sucks about the oh shit moment is it is completely ruined when you read the solicitation for X-Men Legacy in the back of the book. So the predator X thing was resolved but I'm not sure I understood why it was there to begin with. Then the Rogue thing was resolved but I didn't get it. The one thing that was intresting was what was hinted at with the baby, but we'll have to read Cable to find out more. Overall It ended with a sort of ho-hum, it almost feels like there was suppose to be more to this story and maybe there will be but it was sort of Craptacular.

[shaundaniels]

I agree because over the last two years since "house of M", all the main mutants except for XFactor have been at the mansion, and as we've seen; they're sitting ducks there. And since Mystique now has the baby,i'm guessing she's running off with it unless the last two parts say differently.

All I can say is Mystique does not go anywhere

[valoharth]

You know when a comic book event has gone on too long when you start having dreams the you Team up with Jamie Madrox (who is played by a young Bruce Willis) and you have to save Layla Miller from the Mutant Camp.
Yep, just thought I would share that with everyone, I thought it was funny.

[shaundaniels]

Daryl is right secret invasion better be good cause so far marvel events for me have been so so. DC hasn't been much beter except for Sinestro Corp War.

[jimski]

Seriously... weren't there two dupes sent into the future? Has the other one ever been mentioned?

WTF is in this for Cable?

What are the baby's powers?

Where are the parents? Who are the parents?

What are the motives of anyone, from Sinister to Deathstrike to Xavier, for nabbing this baby? Are they gonna breed it? Clone it? Eat it? What?

How did they all find out about the baby?

Does anyone on the X-Men care that their lady Sentinel teammate is possessed and needs help?

What did that church full of bigots have to do with anything?

Oh, yeah: why is Cable alive? Why was he dead?

12/13ths of the story gone, I am starting to get the distinct impression I am not going to find any of this out.

[conorkilpatrick]

Seriously... weren't there two dupes sent into the future? Has the other one ever been mentioned?

WTF is in this for Cable?

What are the baby's powers?

Where are the parents? Who are the parents?

What are the motives of anyone, from Sinister to Deathstrike to Xavier, for nabbing this baby? Are they gonna breed it? Clone it? Eat it? What?

How did they all find out about the baby?

Does anyone on the X-Men care that their lady Sentinel teammate is possessed and needs help?

What did that church full of bigots have to do with anything?

Oh, yeah: why is Cable alive? Why was he dead?

12/13ths of the story gone, I am starting to get the distinct impression I am not going to find any of this out.

You sound like me for the last five weeks.

[racemccloud]

Seriously... weren't there two dupes sent into the future? Has the other one ever been mentioned?

WTF is in this for Cable?

What are the baby's powers?

Where are the parents? Who are the parents?

What are the motives of anyone, from Sinister to Deathstrike to Xavier, for nabbing this baby? Are they gonna breed it? Clone it? Eat it? What?

How did they all find out about the baby?

Does anyone on the X-Men care that their lady Sentinel teammate is possessed and needs help?

What did that church full of bigots have to do with anything?

Oh, yeah: why is Cable alive? Why was he dead?

12/13ths of the story gone, I am starting to get the distinct impression I am not going to find any of this out.

And yet, somehow, it has still managed to be friggin' awesome.

You know, maybe this is going to read like crap in the trade. "Nothing's happening! Nothing's making sense! All these threads are dropped! It sure is easy on the eye, though."

[jo-relrollins]

Seriously... weren't there two dupes sent into the future? Has the other one ever been mentioned?

WTF is in this for Cable?

What are the baby's powers?

Where are the parents? Who are the parents?

What are the motives of anyone, from Sinister to Deathstrike to Xavier, for nabbing this baby? Are they gonna breed it? Clone it? Eat it? What?

How did they all find out about the baby?

Does anyone on the X-Men care that their lady Sentinel teammate is possessed and needs help?

What did that church full of bigots have to do with anything?

Oh, yeah: why is Cable alive? Why was he dead?

12/13ths of the story gone, I am starting to get the distinct impression I am not going to find any of this out.

As someone who is loving the Xover. I'm right with u. I just read an interview with Craig and Kyle(new xmen and xforce writers), and a majority of ur issues will be handled later in the various team books. Which i'm not excited about. I'm extremely curious that if strings will be hanging, what will be answered. I do know these few things: SPOILERS:










The Purfiers will be handled by XForce.

Layla and the other dupe will be handled by XFactor.

The last issue should tell why ppl wanted the baby.(Lady Deathstrikes reasons are stated in New Xmen issue 45 part 8 of the x-over)

All about Cable will be told in his new series.

The lady sentinel was never really an official member she joined after her body was found( another loose end sense we don't really know why her body was taken in the first place)

These are things from various interviews from the wrtiers and their intentions of the future for the x titles, so if this stuff takes forever don't "snikt" me.

If you want 2 sneak peeks of the last issue of the x-over click (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b189/mexiefan/XMEN207_2.jpg) here (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b189/mexiefan/XMEN207_4.jpg).

[jo-relrollins]

All I can say is Mystique does not go anywhere

Now i need to get to the store. I'm curious now that u brought all this up. Is how are the team lineups going to be, i heard there are going to be big movements. My fav is going to go to the back burner, Iceman(at least if Brubaker was telling the truth).

[jimski]

The Purfiers will be handled by XForce.

Layla and the other dupe will be handled by XFactor.

The last issue should tell why ppl wanted the baby.(Lady Deathstrikes reasons are stated in New Xmen issue 45 part 8 of the x-over)

All about Cable will be told in his new series.

The lady sentinel was never really an official member she joined after her body was found( another loose end sense we don't really know why her body was taken in the first place)

Eeyeugh. I don't have it in me to read X-Force or Cable; those names do not have positive associations for me. I am particularly pissed by the prospect of Rahne leaving X-Factor to be in Xxx-treeeme Force Strike Action Murder Team with Wolverine and L'il Wolverine.

I too have really enjoyed this story, but I have a feeling in spite of myself that they are going to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I know it wouldn't be unprecedented for them to raise questions and then say, "For the answers, read three series besides this one," but what I think they've forgotten is that Wikipedia exists now.

[shaundaniels]

Eeyeugh. I don't have it in me to read X-Force or Cable; those names do not have positive associations for me. I am particularly pissed by the prospect of Rahne leaving X-Factor to be in Xxx-treeeme Force Strike Action Murder Team with Wolverine and L'il Wolverine.

I too have really enjoyed this story, but I have a feeling in spite of myself that they are going to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I know it wouldn't be unprecedented for them to raise questions and then say, "For the answers, read three series besides this one," but what I think they've forgotten is that Wikipedia exists now.

The ending really feels that it's just trying to get you to read Cable. X-Force and other titles. Up until this and the last issue I had enjoyed it

[shaundaniels]

As someone who is loving the Xover. I'm right with u. I just read an interview with Craig and Kyle(new xmen and xforce writers), and a majority of ur issues will be handled later in the various team books. Which i'm not excited about. I'm extremely curious that if strings will be hanging, what will be answered. I do know these few things: SPOILERS:










The Purfiers will be handled by XForce.

Layla and the other dupe will be handled by XFactor.

The last issue should tell why ppl wanted the baby.(Lady Deathstrikes reasons are stated in New Xmen issue 45 part 8 of the x-over)

All about Cable will be told in his new series.

The lady sentinel was never really an official member she joined after her body was found( another loose end sense we don't really know why her body was taken in the first place)

These are things from various interviews from the wrtiers and their intentions of the future for the x titles, so if this stuff takes forever don't "snikt" me.

If you want 2 sneak peeks of the last issue of the x-over click (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b189/mexiefan/XMEN207_2.jpg) here (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b189/mexiefan/XMEN207_4.jpg).

The sad part about why everyone wanted the baby is pretty insignificant when you think of how many people were killed or to what extremes people go to get her. Minus the purifers and Bishop who are just bat shit crazy.

[valoharth]

I don't know if this is been said or not but since the subject of Layla and the other Dupe will be taken care of in Xfactor I will put in my thoughts.

I was thinking about it and didn't Layla say something to Jamie about them getting hitched earler in the series? I don't know how long MC has been in the works but it would make sense that some how Layla comes back to the present X-line into a full grown adult. I woudn't put it past David to pull something like that, however it might not happen until after the Secret Invastion or maybe at the end of it because Layla Miller does know stuff and it would be possible that she would know who was a skrull and could be used to find them (a theory I had since Layla was created by Bendis, or was a major factor in House of M).

Anyway, its just speculation, I don't know if its even a good theory or not but its just something I've been mulling over.

[jo-relrollins]

The sad part about why everyone wanted the baby is pretty insignificant when you think of how many people were killed or to what extremes people go to get her. Minus the purifers and Bishop who are just bat shit crazy.

just answer me this, is the last part worth the read, does it at least end well?

[shaundaniels]

just answer me this, is the last part worth the read, does it at least end well?

It's hard to say. If you liked everything in the series then I guess you might like it but for me it was a let down.

[kwok_talk]

The plot summary is up on wikipedia (can't verify if correct). Sounds fun.

[horatio616]

I liked this okay. Didn't really love it. I've been an X-Men fan all my life but, other than Morrison's run and Astonishing, I haven't gotten X-cited (Har!) about them in a long time. At this point I'm wishing that Mephisto would pay them a visit so the whole thing can start over.

[jimski]

What a hilarious '09 crossover that would be. They wouldn't have a Crisis, but Mephisto just visits every title in an Annual and erases a few tapes here and there.

[shaundaniels]

The plot summary is up on wikipedia (can't verify if correct). Sounds fun.

It's correct

[jo-relrollins]

It's correct

Wasn't bad,but a little lackluster in the ending. I'll let everyone read it. I'll get into my opinions later.

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ON another note, the young xmen lineup, am i the only one going "huh" at this.

[jonathand-gordon]

Wow , thats all I have to say. That just wrapped up things that x-fans have been teased since 1988. This is nuts how they tied it all together. I had to check the cover to make sure Geoff Johns wasn't writing it. This comic felt like it mattered. Its been a long time since that has happened with an X-book.
I hope they carry this on to further x-books.

[jimski]

Even when X-Men is good, it's f***ing exhausting.

Why was Gambit working for Sinister? What did the Marauders want? Why... eh, never mind. I don't understand the motives of the people I encounter in my everyday life; why should Malice be any different? I give it a thumbs up, but only because the ads on the back make it clear they didn't "kill" Professor X.

(So... what does the baby do? Who were the parents? Is Forge okay? The other Madrox-- never mind never mind never mind.)

[jasontodd]

Wow , thats all I have to say. That just wrapped up things that x-fans have been teased since 1988. This is nuts how they tied it all together. I had to check the cover to make sure Geoff Johns wasn't writing it. This comic felt like it mattered. Its been a long time since that has happened with an X-book.
I hope they carry this on to further x-books.

No offense, but I don't see how this wrapped up "everything since 1988". What did it wrap up?

I agree with most people on this forum. This storyline was pretty weak. The only reason that it got as much acclaim as it did was because it's better than most X-Men storylines that we've seen for the last 10 years or so. Nothing was really resolved in this series, and it just leads into yet another storyline. I don't mind if storylines lead into other storylines, as long as their is somewhat of a resolution to each individual storyline so that they can stand on their own. "Messiah Complex" didn't answer very much. Ultimately, I believe it was unsatisfying.

[racemccloud]

No offense, but I don't see how this wrapped up "everything since 1988". What did it wrap up?

I agree with most people on this forum. This storyline was pretty weak. The only reason that it got as much acclaim as it did was because it's better than most X-Men storylines that we've seen for the last 10 years or so. Nothing was really resolved in this series, and it just leads into yet another storyline. I don't mind if storylines lead into other storylines, as long as their is somewhat of a resolution to each individual storyline so that they can stand on their own. "Messiah Complex" didn't answer very much. Ultimately, I believe it was unsatisfying.

As much as I wanted Messiah CompleX to end awesome, I'm afraid I have to agree with Jason Todd. Who TOTALLY should have been "Hush" in the first place.

[racemccloud]

Hey! I just realized! "Something happened" in this week's edition of Messiah CompleX! Marvel tried to sell me six more books! Take THAT, Conor!

[jo-relrollins]

i do have one major issue that i'm already seeing. I just read the Marvel Solicits for the next few months for the X books and:
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1. Xavier fighting for his life in a coma.
2. Exodus' mind in the astral plane.
3.Bishop being the main villan in Cable's book.
and last but not least..

4. Wolverine hunting for Mystique.

So my question is did anyone besides Predator X really die, or was it all a mind trick by that dang baby(whose name must be Marvel).

[humphrey-lee]

So my thoughts now that it's over: Probably the best X-Over I've read but had three issues of too little happening and then a final chapter that was too cramped for its own good. So yeah, probably about a B+ grade story all said. Well, maybe a B. There were also too many "Buy our upcoming books!" moments scattered throughout that kept making me groan as well and the Predator X plot point didn't pay off anywhere near at all to be worth the amount of pages he was glimpsed throughout. Don't really see the need...

Good effort though all around. I still won't be buying any X-books besides X-FACTOR after this, but at least I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of ramifications go on in that title from all this.

[jimski]

As for the new offerings: I want to read a good Professor X book... but then there's Gambit. Eeeugh, Gambit.

Just when I'm rolling my eyes at Young X-Men, I see the words "Marc Guggenheim." Now I don't know what to think.

[s1lentslayer]

Well that was a lackluster finale. We still don't know anything about the baby and the whole run was supposed to be about her. What a ripoff.

[ryan79]

So my question is did anyone besides Predator X really die, or was it all a mind trick by that dang baby(whose name must be Marvel).


A couple of Z-level mutants got ate by Predator X. Peepers, Vertigo, and...I guess that's it.

[jimski]

What of our old friend Caliban? And the hated, hated Mister Sinister? The fact that he could die without anyone noticing says a lot about his value as a character.

I prefer fewer deaths in my stories, personally. Why go through the whole "He's dead! No he's not!" cheapening move again? Now, when Sinister pops up again in six months, I won't say "God, Sinister again," I'll say, "Sinister again?? You promised me he was dead."

[liftoner]

At the beginning of this cross-over I thought that this story had potential. It definitely slipped somewhere along the way. Too many questions and not enough answers. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy things left to the imagination, but this was a bit much.

Most of all though, Why in the world did we have to have the last issue end with work by Bachalo?!? I'm a big fan of his 90s stuff but these last few years his work has been pretty indecipherable. His battle scenes are the absolute worst. I can't tell what's going on at all. Couldn't tell at first that it was Prof, X that got shot by Bishop, but maybe it supposed to be confusing at first. Also, The last two panels of the X-Men standing around the Professor, the Prof. just disappears from one panel to another. Huh?!? Really bad.

And, wouldn't the X-Men (especially the OGs) be a TAD more upset about the Professor being 'dead?'

Enough of the complaining.

[ryan79]

What of our old friend Caliban? And the hated, hated Mister Sinister? The fact that he could die without anyone noticing says a lot about his value as a character.

I prefer fewer deaths in my stories, personally. Why go through the whole "He's dead! No he's not!" cheapening move again? Now, when Sinister pops up again in six months, I won't say "God, Sinister again," I'll say, "Sinister again?? You promised me he was dead."


I think the reason nobody has mentioned Sinister, is that no one actually believes his death is going to stick. At least, that's how I see it.

[jonathand-gordon]

No offense, but I don't see how this wrapped up "everything since 1988". What did it wrap up?

I agree with most people on this forum. This storyline was pretty weak. The only reason that it got as much acclaim as it did was because it's better than most X-Men storylines that we've seen for the last 10 years or so. Nothing was really resolved in this series, and it just leads into yet another storyline. I don't mind if storylines lead into other storylines, as long as their is somewhat of a resolution to each individual storyline so that they can stand on their own. "Messiah Complex" didn't answer very much. Ultimately, I believe it was unsatisfying.

read closer, I didn't say it wrapped everything up since 1988 . I said that it wrapped up things as far back as 1988. Thats when they introduced Gambit , Bishop, cable and hinted through bishops knwledge of the future that one of them would betray the X-Men and kill Proffesor X eventually. They never paid off that story. I know some people think that was what onslaught was, but it is clear know that this is the payoff to that story......and a damn good one.

Next to sinestro corp. war this is the best crossover in years.

[jo-relrollins]

I liked it overall. The unanswered with questions thing. I can deal with, 1 because i read most of the X books(don't know if i'm picking up any new of the new ones kinda upset New Xmen is leaving). I kinda like the whole the world has changed but letting us find out how sort of thing. I knida had guessed that somethings where going to be left hanging. I mean we couldn't sit around forever answering them. I think as long as it doesn't become a whole we-forget-about-it-and-get-to-it-whne-a-writer-doesn't-have-anything-to-do thing(remember the Twelve storyline which was 10 years in the making), i think i'm ok with things hanging and being dealt with in the proper books, ie Purifiers by XForce, and Madrox's lost dupe by Xfactor. It allows the writers to show real ramifications caused by this storyline so for me it works. I mean it was a whole lot effective out come than marvel's last crossovers cough WWH and Civil War cough.

[mikegraham6]

I enjoyed the crossover, probably the best X-crossover i've seen since AOA.
I didn't like xavier dying, that was lame!!!
i thought it stood on it's own, but it really didn't get me excited for the new x-books. i have no interest in x-force or the new x-men, i might pick up cable #1 just to see if it investigates the baby a bit more (it IS jean by the way). but other than that it was kind of meh.
I also don't agree that it answered the "x-traitor" question from the eighties because that was definitely tackled by Onlsaught, Jean's transmission cemented that fact. i didn't read into it that way at all, can you elaborate on how you see it as a better solution than the one in onslaught?

[shaundaniels]

read closer, I didn't say it wrapped everything up since 1988 . I said that it wrapped up things as far back as 1988. Thats when they introduced Gambit , Bishop, cable and hinted through bishops knwledge of the future that one of them would betray the X-Men and kill Proffesor X eventually. They never paid off that story. I know some people think that was what onslaught was, but it is clear know that this is the payoff to that story......and a damn good one.

Next to sinestro corp. war this is the best crossover in years.

Yeah but it seems that Bishop didn't really kill Xaiver because the solicitations hinted at him being alive in some facet. Hasn't Xaiver been killed or presumed dead a few times for that matter many of the X-Men have to. I was reading back when Bishop, Cable and Gambit were introduced but don't remember a story about how one will kill Xaiver. Let me know where that was because that would be a pretty cool thread to run with. I have't been reading many X-Men books as steady as other people so some stuff is lost on me I just think it ended lackluster compared to how it began.

[ryan79]

I liked it overall. The unanswered with questions thing. I can deal with, 1 because i read most of the X books(don't know if i'm picking up any new of the new ones kinda upset New Xmen is leaving). I kinda like the whole the world has changed but letting us find out how sort of thing. I knida had guessed that somethings where going to be left hanging. I mean we couldn't sit around forever answering them. I think as long as it doesn't become a whole we-forget-about-it-and-get-to-it-whne-a-writer-doesn't-have-anything-to-do thing(remember the Twelve storyline which was 10 years in the making), i think i'm ok with things hanging and being dealt with in the proper books, ie Purifiers by XForce, and Madrox's lost dupe by Xfactor. It allows the writers to show real ramifications caused by this storyline so for me it works. I mean it was a whole lot effective out come than marvel's last crossovers cough WWH and Civil War cough.

And don't forget Layla Miller is still stuck in the future.

[zombox]

Well. The finale is another rerun of old X-Men stories. How many times have they been disbanded and reintegrated. Xavier has died a hundred times, it seems like. He'll be back in a year or two.

The most interesting thing in the story's conclusion is the intimation, when Scott has the baby, that not only is the child some sort of spirit or reincarnation of Jean but he, knowingly, chooses to let her go. Sort of an official end of the Scott-Jean relationship that will allow him to move on as a character where it had held him back for nearly two decades. When Jean comes back she'll have a fresh start too, which is a good thing. She might actually be interesting again.

[remylebeau]

Episode 29 of Comic Addiction's very own podcast is now up, and Paul (Puffin) and I use it to discuss the last 7 chapters of Messiah Complex, so make you download the other two podcasts and then download this review of the big finale!

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Click the link above or look for us in iTunes.

Also our first two podcasts on Messiah Complex are still available via the links below or again, in iTunes.

Also check out ComicAddiction's Podcast series on Messiah Complex "staring" Paul, Chris and Antony.
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[zombox]

From Newsarama. A general discussion of what happened in the plotline, the effects they hope for it to have and (perhaps most importantly) a tacit admission that the things in the story will only stick if Marvel will leave them alone and let the plot move on.

by Troy Brownfield

A huge event! Everything changes! We’ve heard it all before.

Then again, what if everything did change? If the leadership structure at Marvel has the courage to allow some of these plot and character changes to stick, then we may see the first real evolution in the X-titles in some time. It’s easy to cancel and reshuffle books; it’s harder to stay with organically earned advancement.

I get ahead of myself. Let’s take a look at the loose structure of the event and note high points. Spoilers Ahead

A Super-Compressed Plot Recap: Essentially, Messiah Complex works on the lengthy chase principle. The first new mutant since “House of M” is born, and a mad chase begins. The X-Teams, the mutant-hating Purifiers, the Mr. Sinister-led Marauders, and the hungry Predator X all go after the baby. Cyclops and Xavier have a philosophical split, wherein Cyke tells Charlie to hits the road and orders Wolverine to form a new, take-no-prisoners X-Force. Cable (not dead!) turns out to be the one who is on the run with the child. Various clashes ensue, leaving many X-people wounded , Caliban (and possibly Lady Deathstrike) dead and Layla Miller stranded in Bishop’s potential future. Bishop himself is revealed to the readers as a traitor, willing to do anything to further his own agenda. The climactic issues play fast and furious as all players converge at Muir Island, where Mystique has double-crossed (and killed) Mr. Sinister in order to use the baby to heal the comatose Rogue. 31 flavors of X-Men take down the Marauders, Wolverine kills Predator X (from the inside), Rogue permanently removes Mystique’s powers and leaves, and Cyclops decides to allow Cable to take the baby to the future to keep hope alive. Bishop tries desperately to kill the departing Cable, but it’s Charles Xavier who falls. As the gathered X-people mourn their fallen founder, Cyclops declares the X-Men dead.

What Worked: For me, the best part of Messiah Complex is that it played like an old-school X-Men adventure in the best sense. It was a self-contained story running through the four main titles. It didn’t need extra specials or an outside mini to accomplish a fairly focused goal.

What were those goals? For one thing, the amazing amount of death and torture dealt to the New X-Men in recent months paid off. The kids emerged battle-hardened and trusted enough by Cyclops to play a crucial role in the defeat of the Marauders. These events and the new title will elevate these characters in the eyes of readers.

MC also rescued X-Force as a brand. The idea of a Wolverine-led team of badasses is actually way overdue. Cyclops finally acknowledged what the readers have always known: the X-Men don’t stop bank-robbers; the X-Men are fighting for the survival of an entire species. There’s no time left to be nice, and people die in wars. The acceptance of this concept by Cyclops is the first significant advancement in his character in a while, and I think that it makes him a more modern, and believable, leader.

The status quo of many characters has been reset. Rogue lost the accumulated extraneous memories and Death Touch, leaving her only with Mystique’s mental imprint. Gambit received some rehabilitation, since the story showed that his reason for joining the Marauders was simply the pursuit of a cure for Rogue rather than anything more nefarious. Wolverine has a new respect for Cyclops, and while I don’t see them becoming best friends, I think that this is important for the family of titles.

In terms of the deaths, quite frankly, Charles has been trying to die since issue #42 of the original series. It’s time to let him go. Cyclops was right in that he realized the promise for which he had been trained. The fact that his path and Xavier’s path now diverge has less to do with emotional separation and more to do with the fact that children don’t grow up in their parents’ worlds; they can be taught traditional values and lessons, but they always have to apply them in new landscapes the didn’t previously exist.

As far as Lady Deathstrike and Caliban, I can’t say that I’m too broken up. Caliban always seemed like a character that no one could figure out what to do with, and lasted much longer than I thought a character that more or less began as a Kitty Pryde stalker ever would. Lady Deathstrike has more fans, but again, she’s reached the end of the thread as far as most storytelling opportunities would go. Her appearance here was a surprise, but I think that her death at the hands (claws?) of X-23 is a good way to go.

Really, the best thing here for me was the appropriate use of the classic team members combined with the deployment of continuity for practical and cathartic purposes. The X-Men have been dealing with the Marauders since 1985, and it felt good to see them overcome long odds (even as the cost of Charles). I always thought Bishop was meant to be the original X-traitor, and that was somewhat fulfilled. Everyone appeared “in character”, despite the rotating creative teams. This event was built on a solid foundation and executed with maximum efficiency.

Anything Precarious?: Frankly, the net result of this storyline is only going to work as well as it is allowed to work. Confusing? Not so much. There are a number of small advancements here, but they could be significant in the long run if left to develop. The arc was fairly focused for such a long story, and it did set up a number of directions for the various titles.

Final Word: For my money, Messiah Complex is certainly the best interconnected X-tale that I’ve read in years. The X-Men work best with their backs to the wall, and the desperation in this arc was palpable. I had a great time reading it, and in the end, that’s what mattered to me.

[jurassicalien]

So I just read all 13 chapters in one sitting and I loved it it flows great fomr 1-13.


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Did MC sort of spoil Astonishing? Because Kitty Pryde was not in M.C. at least not that I could see. And M.C. is supposed to be the new statue for the X-men. New statue, no kitty?

[kahunablair]

So I just read all 13 chapters in one sitting and I loved it it flows great fomr 1-13.

BUT (POSSIBLE Spoilers)

Did MC sort of spoil Astonishing? Because Kitty Pryde was not in M.C. at least not that I could see. And M.C. is supposed to be the new statue for the X-men. New statue, no kitty?

Yup. Pretty much.

[shaundaniels]

I just reread X-Men 207 and one thing stood out to me. Were the whole destiny’s diaries about Mystique saving Rogue? Is this something that will be answered somewhere else if it is not about saving Rogue?