View Full Version : Special Edition Podcast: Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
conorkilpatrick
06-25-2007, 12:21 AM
It's iFanboy at the Movies! We're one week late because of HeroesCon but we still had time to take a short look at Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer!
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Running Time: 00:17:08
Click here for download info! (http://www.ifanboy.com/archive/weblog/special_edition_2.html)
(If you use iTunes, this show can be found on the feed directly beneath this week's Pick of the Week Podcast)
jgg0610
06-25-2007, 12:29 AM
I'm glad you guys did this. Now, even though I haven't read last weeks comics, I'll still have some Ifanboy first thing on a Monday morning.:D
acomicbookgirl
06-25-2007, 12:30 AM
I get a double dose of iFanboy tomorrow morning.. :) Thanks guys for spoiling us like that. ;)
Whooo, Double podcasts!!!!
I'm also gonna check out this Fanboy's strike back podcast. SO that's a whole whack of podcasts for me.
jimski
06-25-2007, 02:31 AM
I haven't listened yet, but just seeing that the podcast is 17:00 long both made me laugh out loud and told me everything I needed to know.
y-zaman
06-25-2007, 04:39 AM
Ron, as soon as you said bonus points to anyone who knows Norrin Radd's love's name, I yelled out Shalla-Bal. Just in case you might hear me.
cancelhoo
06-26-2007, 01:14 AM
Thank you for saving me $10... my only interest in seeing this was the hope that Galactus appeared at the end. Now I will wait for it to come from netflix.
ronxo
06-26-2007, 02:53 AM
Ron, as soon as you said bonus points to anyone who knows Norrin Radd's love's name, I yelled out Shalla-Bal. Just in case you might hear me.
Nice work - I knew one of you would make me proud!
horatio616
06-26-2007, 03:45 PM
Nice work - I knew one of you would make me proud!
I thought Shalla-Bal too but then I thought that it was the name of the planet he was from. Been awhile since I've read any Surfer.
One thing The Totally Rad Show brought up something that I had thought of at the time of its release but not since is the fact that The Incredibles is a much, much better Fantastic Four movie than either FFI or II. Could you imagine an FF movie with Brad Bird at the helm? Too bad they could never pay him enough money to do it. Incredibles is proof that you can make a movie aimed at kids but also make it smart enough for adults.
Ron says that FFII is better than X3. I challenge you, sir, to rewatch X3 with FFII still fresh in your mind. I can see why you disliked X3 given Cyclops' death, the truncated Dark Phoenix Saga, and the Sentinel fake-out, but the tone and the handling of the characters perfectly fit in the movie X-Universe, and the climax to the film is quite satisfying.
ronxo
06-26-2007, 04:39 PM
One thing The Totally Rad Show brought up something that I had thought of at the time of its release but not since is the fact that The Incredibles is a much, much better Fantastic Four movie than either FFI or II. Could you imagine an FF movie with Brad Bird at the helm? Too bad they could never pay him enough money to do it. Incredibles is proof that you can make a movie aimed at kids but also make it smart enough for adults.
You're totally right and I was cursing Jeff for saying that because he beat me to the punch! He was dead on in that observation. The Incredibles was amazing and a great superhero movie that had action and relatable characters. The thing though, is that even if Brad Bird (has he directed any actual people?) helming a true FF movie, but under the guide of the studio, I don't know if he'd get anything different - I feel as if the studio had a big part in the kind of movie they wanted - and I think they got it.
Ron says that FFII is better than X3. I challenge you, sir, to rewatch X3 with FFII still fresh in your mind. I can see why you disliked X3 given Cyclops' death, the truncated Dark Phoenix Saga, and the Sentinel fake-out, but the tone and the handling of the characters perfectly fit in the movie X-Universe, and the climax to the film is quite satisfying.
Well, considering I just bought X3 on DVD, I will take this challenge! (Said in my best Cup Noodle voice). The wounds of X3 still run deep.
A few things from FF2 that bugged me that I forgot to mention on the podcast:
- The product placement was painful. I know *why* they do it - but ugh it was miserable
- The Baxter Building - damn the FF had a lot of nice stuff. Like *really* nice furniture, and while I enjoyed the airport scene, why are they flying commercial?
- Would it have killed them to have Reed tell the army to go ask "Dr. Pym" when he turned them down? Something so small and so easy would make me so happy :)
But all in all, I'm fine with it - it was ultimately a benign movie.
kahunablair
06-26-2007, 04:50 PM
I really, really disliked this movie, but I'm not going to go into a rant here but this I couldn't resist...
... - The product placement was painful. I know *why* they do it - but ugh it was miserable ....
"Dude, does that thing have a hemi?" line actually made me want to cry. I can even get past the little dodge logo on the front, but good lord.
I was waiting for them to pull up on Doom while he's surfing and ask him if he had any Grey Poupon!
horatio616
06-26-2007, 04:50 PM
Well, considering I just bought X3 on DVD, I will take this challenge! (Said in my best Cup Noodle voice). The wounds of X3 still run deep.
I can relate to what you were saying about what was wrong with X3 because the X-Men was my first great comic love, Cyclops was my first favorite character, and the Dark Phoenix Saga is a landmark of my childhood. (My first issue of X-Men was 136.) I view the X-Men films as a different entity and don't take the mistreatment of Cyclops personally because, frankly, it's Jackman's show. Two things to keep in mind are the fact that Marsden couldn't make a full commitment to X3 because of his role in Superman Returns and that because his death occured off-camera and no body was found, it's possible that he could show up in the inevitable fourth film.
horatio616
06-26-2007, 04:56 PM
I really, really disliked this movie, but I'm not going to go into a rant here but this I couldn't resist...
"Dude, does that thing have a hemi?" line actually made me want to cry. I can even get past the little dodge logo on the front, but good lord.
I was waiting for them to pull up on Doom while he's surfing and ask him if he had any Grey Poupon!
It would have been a perfect opportunity to launch a "Silver Poupon" line...
I thought the hemi line was so blatant and silly that I actually laughed. I tend not to get to worked up about product placement because I know that audience expectations continue to increase, raising the budgets, while box-office returns are on a downswing. If it gets Silver Surfer onscreen, I'll let it pass.
kahunablair
06-26-2007, 05:03 PM
I personally really liked all the promotional crap that Johnny had at the beginning of the movie. But I liked that stuff for one reason. It fit with the story and had a purpose.
conorkilpatrick
06-26-2007, 07:41 PM
I can relate to what you were saying about what was wrong with X3 because the X-Men was my first great comic love, Cyclops was my first favorite character, and the Dark Phoenix Saga is a landmark of my childhood. (My first issue of X-Men was 136.) I view the X-Men films as a different entity and don't take the mistreatment of Cyclops personally because, frankly, it's Jackman's show. Two things to keep in mind are the fact that Marsden couldn't make a full commitment to X3 because of his role in Superman Returns and that because his death occured off-camera and no body was found, it's possible that he could show up in the inevitable fourth film.
Methinks you need to relisten to the X3 podcast. The problem with that movie wasn't so much the character deaths as it was the ham-fisted directing and writing. It was a horrible film, no matter what the subject.
horatio616
06-26-2007, 08:56 PM
Methinks you need to relisten to the X3 podcast. The problem with that movie wasn't so much the character deaths as it was the ham-fisted directing and writing. It was a horrible film, no matter what the subject.
Box office says otherwise. Yeah, I know, that's not a marker of quality but it is a measure to some degree. It's tomatometer rating was 57% which is pretty bad but that means over half liked it. I appreciate that Ron is willing to give it a re-eval.
Ratner's directing may be pedestrian but Tim Story's is even more so. I think the key thing about these guys is that they keep tight reins on the budget and they can work relatively quickly.
conorkilpatrick
06-26-2007, 09:00 PM
Box office says otherwise. Yeah, I know, that's not a marker of quality but it is a measure to some degree. It's tomatometer rating was 57% which is pretty bad but that means over half liked it.
Are we seriously going to have this discussion again? Box office means absolutely nothing. Horrible movies make a ton of money at the box office. This is not news.
Ratner's directing may be pedestrian but Tim Story's is even more so. I think the key thing about these guys is that they keep tight reins on the budget and they can work relatively quickly.
The difference being Tim Story has done both movies so the quality level was set. I actually think it went up slightly with this one (mostly because of the Surfer). Ratner took a series that was well written and directed and drove it into shitsville.
horatio616
06-26-2007, 09:03 PM
Are we seriously going to have this discussion again? Box office means absolutely nothing. Horrible movies make a ton of money at the box office. This is not news.
The difference being Tim Story has done both movies so the quality level was set. I actually think it went up slightly with this one (mostly because of the Surfer). Ratner took a series that was well written and directed and drove it into shitsville.
So I take it you'll be first in line for Rush Hour 3 then?
conorkilpatrick
06-26-2007, 09:08 PM
So I take it you'll be first in line for Rush Hour 3 then?
No.......?
jaflanagan
06-26-2007, 11:03 PM
Brett Ratner should have his movie license taken away.
kahunablair
06-26-2007, 11:06 PM
Methinks you need to relisten to the X3 podcast. The problem with that movie wasn't so much the character deaths as it was the ham-fisted directing and writing. It was a horrible film, no matter what the subject.
Hear Hear!
kahunablair
06-26-2007, 11:08 PM
Brett Ratner should have his movie license taken away.
Hear Hear Hear!!
gm_wil
06-27-2007, 01:33 AM
I thought FF2 was much better than Spiderman 3...FF2 felt like the Fantastic Four...Spidey three felt like...like...the longest trailer for a spiderman movie I wanted to see...I really liked FF2 actually.
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big-doze
06-27-2007, 05:52 AM
One thing The Totally Rad Show brought up something that I had thought of at the time of its release but not since is the fact that The Incredibles is a much, much better Fantastic Four movie than either FFI or II. Could you imagine an FF movie with Brad Bird at the helm? Too bad they could never pay him enough money to do it. Incredibles is proof that you can make a movie aimed at kids but also make it smart enough for adults.
I hear this comparison made a lot, but I'm not sure how much water it holds. Don't get me wrong, The Incredibles is a masterpiece, and very much my favorite superhero movie, but to use it as an example of what the FF should be is inacurate, in my humblest opinion.
I equate it to Heroes vs. The X-Men. Both have the exact same premise: humans are evolving, and some are born with special powers. But rather than make the focus on civil rights, intrigue and mystery are highlighted. A very different spin on a pre-established formula. This is how I see The Incredibles vs. The Fantastic Four.
As one of the seven people who really liked the first one, I am eager to see the sequel, because these movies deliver something that The Incredibles, for all it's success, can't: The Fantastic Four. The characters, the mythos, the grand, cosmic scale, all of it. The Incredibles is great in and of itself, but it's not an FF movie. Not even close.
exwingzero
06-27-2007, 07:08 AM
Let me say a few things before I begin... I'm 20 now and as I kid I didn't have access to a comic shop, so I learned my comic history for the plethora of saturday morning comic cartoons and looking back I see a lot of story changes that I didn't know when I first watched them. That may be my thing, i don't know. anyhow, I just wanted to state that before hand.
Well FF2 I thought was good, I have learned that movies from comics will NEVER be as good as the one's from comics so I really try to take myself out of that context and just watch a movie. It's very very hard, but I'm perfecting this method. I actually must say I enjoyed Spider-Man 3 (I hated what they did to Gwen and Capt. Stacy, how they killed off Venom, how Sandman became the the hero for dummies, and introduced the "new" goblin. But it was an entertaining movie).
I watched this movie for Silver Surfer and Doom. They earn a lot of respect for getting the surfer dead on; I was so pleased because he is a very tormented character and is a deep character as well. FF2 was an all around family movie, had stuff for everyone (my 10 year old little sister enjoyed it). Doom was great, I absolutely agree that he was more Doom in this one than the last one. The most dangerous villains and fan favorites are not the ones that use brute force, it's the one that use their minds as well as their powers in a story. I wasn't too happy that Doom's face somehow fixed it's self, but I loved that they were playing with that look when introducing him. I hated the bad cg for Reed, They spent how much on this movie? I hated the Hemi comment. I didn't like that now whenever Sue uses her power in the movie now she must get a nose bleed. And yeah, she did look very strange, I think it was too much forehead. If you have a problem with Jessica Alba playing Sue check this lash from Newgrounds out... FF parady (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/322960)
Moving on to the X3 debachel, I enjoyed that too. I know it had problems, really bad problems; like killing off Scott so he can be in Super Man Returns and not say once, "I wish I could shoot beams out of my eyes." ( I didn't care for superman that much). there was also cg glitches in x3 that were just poor. Has anyone ever heard of pants that heal with you? I didn't think so. I'm just finishing up the Clairmont DPS in tpb and I'm loving it. It is so much better than the movie.
All in all, I might never be happy with the translation from page to film, it's someone else's interpretation of the media; but I'll still go. ZBut if creators, and writers start to get involved then I will probably never have a bad experience in a comic movie again... *cough* Sin City *cough* 300 *cough* *prays* Watchmen *prays*
Oh, yeah. almost forgot. Ghost. Rider. Sucked.
s-sanchez
06-27-2007, 12:31 PM
Call me crazy, but I loved the hell out of this movie. Maybe it was the fact that Spider-man 3 was disappointing and this was just what I needed but damn if I didnt walk out of this film going "That was GREAT"
And its not like I cant see the problems that people see, the product placemnt in particular is annoying and groan inducing. Dr. Doom is a joke, and the climax is meh at best (Why did they end with that corny ass "lets makes a '4' symbol in the sky"? again).
But I still enjoyed it. I even dig the four main cast and think they all work well together and my huge crush with Alba wont allow me to say an unkind word about her. ;p
All that being said, i now bring you "DOOM's" nefarious plan in a nutshell:
"Doom uh, not cool dude the Earth is coming to an end"
"SCREW YOU, RICHARDS!!!"
"Doom, seriously, the world is coming to an end, we need that board"
"COME AND GET IT SUCKAS"
And of course Sue's brilliant plan to get the surfer on their side:
"Oh so I look like your wife eh?"
touches his hand and bats her eyes
"Help us detroy your master, pwetty pwease?"
Still enjoyed the hell out of it.
horatio616
06-27-2007, 02:40 PM
I hear this comparison made a lot, but I'm not sure how much water it holds. Don't get me wrong, The Incredibles is a masterpiece, and very much my favorite superhero movie, but to use it as an example of what the FF should be is inacurate, in my humblest opinion.
I equate it to Heroes vs. The X-Men. Both have the exact same premise: humans are evolving, and some are born with special powers. But rather than make the focus on civil rights, intrigue and mystery are highlighted. A very different spin on a pre-established formula. This is how I see The Incredibles vs. The Fantastic Four.
As one of the seven people who really liked the first one, I am eager to see the sequel, because these movies deliver something that The Incredibles, for all it's success, can't: The Fantastic Four. The characters, the mythos, the grand, cosmic scale, all of it. The Incredibles is great in and of itself, but it's not an FF movie. Not even close.
The main point is that you can make a family-oriented superhero movie about a family and not have to dumb it down. Same target audience, very different results.
little_physco
06-27-2007, 02:55 PM
well what i thought of this movie was it was better then the first one but still sucked not the comic book movie this year but is one for the family but not a big fan of this film but silver surfer ruled and stan lee cameo was cool.
conorkilpatrick
06-27-2007, 03:44 PM
The main point is that you can make a family-oriented superhero movie about a family and not have to dumb it down. Same target audience, very different results.
Bingo. No one is saying that The Incredibles WAS a great Fantastic Four movie, they are saying that it showed you COULD make a great Fantastic Four movie that is smart and all ages.
That's why it's so tragic and that's why the first Fantastic Four movie looked SO BAD in comparison.