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fred

06-28-2007, 05:09 AM

This was an odd week for comics. My books came in with a C+ average. There were some great books and a some shitty ones. Middle ground was hard to find. Book of the Week is JSA Classified #27. Publisher of the Week is Image. Shit Book of the Week is Thunderbolts #115. I still have to get to Iron Fist #6. I'll post that later in the week.

DC Comics
DC had a very mixed week. Despite having the Book of the Week in JSA Classified #27, they had only a C average. Teen Titans and Wonder Woman were close to being the Shit Book of the Week. Amazons Attack was pretty great, but Countdown was only middling. What can I say? Some had it and some didn't.

JSA Classified #27 - I loved this issue. I have the hugest man-crush on Ted Grant. Holy ****! How cool is he? This story was awesome from start to finish. I loved the sequence in the beginning with Ted in high school and the whole thing that happened to his parents. How ****ing sad was that! No wonder he's so tough and mysterious. I loved the scene in the bar where he was beating the **** out of everyone in sight to get to Joe the Slob. He's so badass! And then, the strip club scene. That was awesome! He had the funniest line of the year. He was talking about having gone to the strip club before and he says: "Hey crimefighters gotta unwind, right?" Laughed. My. Ass. Off. I liked his silly fight with the Brutal Brothers and the douchebaggery of the Sportmaster. I loved, loved, loved the fact that he equated the Sportmaster with his father and gave him a second chance. I was blown away by how great the ending was. The final scene is Ted at his father's grave telling him that he doesn't forgive him but that he's beginning to understand him a bit better. Awesome. All around awesome. Perfect story from Frank Tieri.

The art was also nice. A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Amazons Attack #3 - This was good. I wish that I knew which order to read all of the crossovers in though. It's kind of annoying when I start with this one and get tipped off on plot points from WW and TT. I liked it though. I'm very interested in the next installment of this. The art was good but nothing spectacular. A-

Wonder Woman #10 - Some stories end with a bang and some with a whimper. This one ended with Jodie Picoult leaving a steaming pile of shit on the kitchen table. This just sucked. It wasn't as bad as her earlier issues. I didn't even find it insulting - so that's new. The ending though was so manufactured and melodramatic that Picoult should be ****ing ashamed of herself. Honestly, I can see now how she works for Lifetime. The pencils also sucked. F

Teen Titans #48 - It's been quite some time since I've seen art this bad. I have a proposition for all of you. If you meet or happen to know Al Barrionuevo, I need you to ask him this: do you draw with your penis? It's like he has no control over the pencil. It looks like he slapped ink on something and crudely smacked it into paper over and over until he could begin to see what it is.

The story was not so great. It seems like Amazons Attack is beginning to hurt the books around it. The mini itself is good, but the ripples it's causing in the pond seem to be on the verge of knocking the boat over. This issue starkly contrasted the greatness of the last. F

Countdown #44 - This was good. It was a bit weak compared to some of the previous weeks but overall I enjoyed it. The History of the Multiverse backup was fun again. The stuff with Monarch and the Foreskinner needs to go away, it's just dumb. The Mary Marvel stuff confused me a bit but I did like what I got. It would be interesting to hear someone summarize it and who all they were talking about. The Jimmy Olsen stuff was weaker than it's been and that's really saying something. The Rogues stuff was cool. Why is Holly Robinson with the Amazons? That is who they were right? C

Marvel Comics
Marvel had a mixed week with a C average. They had the Shit Book of the Week in Thunderbolts #115.

X-Men #200 - I've got a question for all of you. Are the doctors messing with my ****ing medication again or is Jean Gray on the cover of this book? I'm almost certain that she's dead. I'm pretty certain about that. It's one thing when the cover doesn't happen in the book, and it's another far worse thing when the cover has DEAD PEOPLE on it. She didn't die last week. It has been a while. Theoretically, the X-editors know right?

Onto the story, or as I call it - the problems. This story sucked. I would honestly rather have my scrotum fastened to the side of a moving train with a nail gun than ever read anything with Gambit or Cannonball in it. This has the extra special benefit of having both of them as well as Rogue in all of her famed "mah" glory. Luckily, she seems to die at the end of the issue. This is a problem too because she was killed by Mystique (whom Iceman ****ed - ick). Seriously, Mystique as the leader of the Marauders? She's evil again? Yeah, I get it. People don't change. Stop trying to tickle my ass with a feather.

The art was damn near a capital offense in both the main story and the backup. F

Thunderbolts #115 - So it was bound to happen. Much like the soap in a Turkish prison, this book is DROPPED. I'm not helping Ellis pay his rent with superhero stuff anymore. Sorry, but I just can't do it. I nearly quit reading it in the FIRST PANEL. Really though, I did. Venom said this:

"I want to rip bite their heads off and shove my tongue down their neck holes so I can lick out their hearts."

How ****ing hacky is that? Honestly, if not for Transmet and a few other things, I'd be demanding that Warren Ellis' computer, typewriter, and all other equipment that can be used to write scripts be destroyed. I want to lick out your heart because I'm the '90s. Hrrrmmmmmmm.

asshole

It wasn't necessary to turn Bullseye into a vegetable. They set up this whole "prisoner in his own body thing" that was really lame. It reminded me of the video for Metallica's One. the main difference being that I wouldn't say: "If I had arms I'd kill myself"; I'd actually say: "If I had to keep reading this, I'd kill myself."

**** this shit. F

Ultimate X-Men #83 - Christ Jesus, who drew this mess? And the coloring? Did they use a Charcoal-infused LiteBright? Blech! The story was better than the art. Of course that's similar to being the smartest kid in Special Ed - it's not much of an accomplishment and it's not much to brag about. D

World War Hulk Front Lines #1 - I'm glad that I picked this up. This is far better than Civil War Front Lines at this point. Way to go Jenkins. B+

World War Hulk X-Men #1 - Apparently Christos Gage's name is Greek for "I can't write for shit." It was a mistake to pick this up. I should've known it. It was terrible, just terrible, from start to finish. When did the Hulk pick up witty banter? I've missed his quips to this point. On top of this, the story wasn't very interesting and was incredibly heavy-handed. I felt like Gage thinks of me as a 6 year old. F

Cable & Deadpool #42 - Is Cable dead? I really hope so. He needs to go away. The parts with Deadpool were great. C

Black Panther #28 - This was disappointing. I like Black Panther. I talk about it month after month. This story just wasn't that good. D+

X-Factor #20 - This was really great. I enjoyed it. Month after month this is one of the best books on the rack. A

Criminal #7 - Excellent. Ed Brubaker is bound and determined to supplant Bendis in my mind. He's doing a fine job of it. I cannot wait for the next one. Sean Phillips' art was good. A

Daredevil #98 - Great as usual. Brubaker is the man. Lark's pencils were great too. A

Image Comics
Image had an awesome week with an A average. They were the Publisher of the Week. Each of their books contended for Book of the Week. Sadly, none of them made it.

The Walking Dead #38 - This was excellent. The entire issue was awesome. I loved it all. I especially loved the tension in it. I spent most of the issue on the edge of my seat like I would in a horror movie repeating "get the **** out of there" over and over again. Charlie Adlard's pencils were awesome as usual. A

Invincible #43 - This was a really great issue. I loved it. The stuff with Mark and his brother was really cool. Also, the issue ended with Atom Eve making a direct play for Mark. They could be together soon. That's so cool. I've been hoping for that. The art was cool. A

The Nightly News #6 - This was a fitting and spectacular ending to what has been a tremendous mini. I urge all of you to buy the trade. I cannot stress enough how much I enjoyed this. Hickman is refreshing and original and I cannot wait for Pax Romana or Red Mass From Mars. A

Dynamite Entertainment
Dynamite had a B average this week. I only had 1 book from them. 1 is still more than usual.

The Boys #8 - This was good. I'm enjoying it. I'm glad it's back. Ennis' story is developing and intriguing me. I was a little bugged by some of the content as it relates to the treatment of the gay characters in the story but Ennis did make an effort to redeem it in the end. I'm stuck between saying it was too much too late and saying that it's a story about bad people and unsurprisingly they behave in ways that many people wouldn't be proud of.
Robertson's pencils are great. B

darron

06-28-2007, 05:19 AM

It wasn't necessary to turn Bullseye into a vegetable. They set up this whole "prisoner in his own body thing" that was really lame. It reminded me of the video for Metallica's One. the main difference being that I wouldn't say: "If I had arms I'd kill myself"; I'd actually say: "If I had to keep reading this, I'd kill myself."

I actually kinda liked that. It'd be hell for someone like Bullseye....especially knowing it came at the hands of someone who's technically powerless (right? Did I totally miss the mark on that?)

Also, the video for Metallica's 'One' used footage from an old movies based on the disturbing Dalton Trumbo book, Johnny Got His Gun about a WWI vet who got his arms, legs, and jaw blown off by a mortar, also losing his ability to see and hear. Quit a hard read, but well worth it.

labor_days

06-28-2007, 05:20 AM

I didn't find this week's comics very strong either. A lot of stuff I was looking forward to this week. But most fell flat and a bit lackluster. What a disappointment this week's books were.

Wonder Woman/Titans/Amazons Attack is just a mess. Why are these poeple doing such illogical things? Why does this plot feel so damn contrived and hamfisted? Why did they let brain damaged monkeys draw these books? Terrible.

Daredevil, Criminal and Countdown were all good but not spectacular.

acomicbookgirl

06-28-2007, 05:20 AM

I don't know what to say about Wonder Woman.. Btw, read Wonder Woman, Teen Titans and Amazons Attack in that order.. ;)

darron

06-28-2007, 05:20 AM

fred

06-28-2007, 05:25 AM

I actually kinda liked that. It'd be hell for someone like Bullseye....especially knowing it came at the hands of someone who's technically powerless (right? Did I totally miss the mark on that?)

Also, the video for Metallica's 'One' used footage from an old movies based on the disturbing Dalton Trumbo book, Johnny Got His Gun about a WWI vet who got his arms, legs, and jaw blown off by a mortar, also losing his ability to see and hear. Quit a hard read, but well worth it.

tks. couldn't remember the name of the movie and I was so tied up with reading and writing all of this that I didn't have time to Google it.

For me, it was just one more point of ridiculous melodrama that wasn't needed. Bullseye is a bad guy. We get it. Kill him if you need to.

fred

06-28-2007, 05:26 AM

I don't know what to say about Wonder Woman.. Btw, read Wonder Woman, Teen Titans and Amazons Attack in that order.. ;)

I discovered that the hard way when I read them in the exact opposite order.

fred

06-28-2007, 05:28 AM

Oh, other than that, I pretty much got your back on your reviews. Good stuff in there, sir.

Although, and I'll freely admit it, I enjoyed X-Men #200 a lot. Not so much the Gambit stuff (ok, I ****ing get it, Gambit throws cards...hardy damned har), but the Rouge stuff was pretty interesting, and I liked seeing the multiple teams together.

thanks.

Hey am I crazy? Jean Gray is still dead right? She's clearly on the gatefold cover. As a matter of fact, there's a key at the back and she's labeled.

The gatefold was great. I was only upset that it didn't come with a hologram and some trading cards. :rolleyes:

acomicbookgirl

06-28-2007, 05:30 AM

Its cool.. I'm surprised you got Wonder Woman..

acomicbookgirl

06-28-2007, 05:30 AM

thanks.

Hey am I crazy? Jean Gray is still dead right? She's clearly on the gatefold cover. As a matter of fact, there's a key at the back and she's labeled.

The gatefold was great. I was only upset that it didn't come with a hologram and some trading cards. :rolleyes:

Which cover did you get?

fred

06-28-2007, 05:31 AM

Its cool.. I'm surprised you got Wonder Woman..

I caught up on all of Amazons Attack recently so I've read up on WW too to stay in the loop.

fred

06-28-2007, 05:32 AM

Which cover did you get?

The gatefold - you could unfold it 3 or 4 times from each side.

labor_days

06-28-2007, 05:32 AM

I discovered that the hard way when I read them in the exact opposite order.
You too, huh? I need someone to explain this shit to me because I was actually less confused reading the Lighting Saga.

fred

06-28-2007, 05:33 AM

You too, huh? I need someone to explain this shit to me because I was actually less confused reading the Lighting Saga.

they at least had the decency to call it part 1, part 2, etc

this is just retarded

they're doing a good job with the countdown issue # labeling, why can't they do something like this here? I don't know

acomicbookgirl

06-28-2007, 05:35 AM

The gatefold - you could unfold it 3 or 4 times from each side.

Damn it! I wanted that one! But nooo... I got the Ramos cover... :mad:
*There's a complicated story behind it..

conorkilpatrick

06-28-2007, 05:38 AM

I almost want to pick up X-Men #200 just to get some Ramos goodness...

fred

06-28-2007, 05:40 AM

Damn you kilpatrick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

labor_days

06-28-2007, 05:42 AM

I flipped through X-men #200 and knew it was going to be Ron's POW.

acomicbookgirl

06-28-2007, 05:47 AM

What is that 2 X-book picks in 2 months? Ay.. What is this world coming to...

labor_days

06-28-2007, 05:51 AM

Ron sure loves his mutants.

jimski

06-28-2007, 06:01 AM

You know, I liked X-Men #200. Going way back, I've always had a bit of a grudge against Adjectiveless as the herald of the 90s, and lately it's bugged me because (again, going way back) there've only been two people on the team who I actually think of as "X-Men" in the book for a couple of arcs now. This issue, though-- my first in a while-- really just felt right. Nigh-impenetrable character histories and relationships, yes... but that's the X-Men for ya.

World War Hulk: X-Men would have been better had the Hulk just zipped his lips a bit. There's one scene in particular where he walks up to that guy Rockslide-- an anonymous student at the school who he would have no way of knowing even if he had been on earth for the last year-- and recites the guy's code name and how his powers work as if they went to college together. Actually, you know what it reminded me of?: it read as if it had been written in about 1985. But I don't really have a problem with that.

In contrast, I believe the Daredevil script was roughly three sentences long.

jurassicalien

06-28-2007, 08:32 AM

Did anyone else pick up Silver Surfer Requiem #2? Because God Damn this book is beautiful. I mean the art and yes even the story touched me and I ain't no pissy cry baby. And I'm not even the biggest JMS fan, but damn this was a good book. (If I had a website) this would have been my pick.

Other then that I liked X-men 200 ALOT.

WW,Amazons Attack, and Teen Titans were okay, not bad in my opinion but nothing great happend either.

Ultimate X-men would have been good if it weren't drawn by a blind monkey with down syndrome.

X-men: WWH I dug alot, I'm happy it's only 3 issues long and not 6 or 7, I don't feel like Marvel is trying to juice this one out, and I enjoyed seeing the New X-men fight the Hulk. Also I can't say "no" to a Wolverine Hulk fight, I just can't.

Countdown I liked because I see it's finally heading somewhere so harah for that.

fred

06-28-2007, 11:04 AM

Ultimate X-men would have been good if it weren't drawn by a blind monkey with down syndrome.

nice. that really captures the feeling of it.

Also I can't say "no" to a Wolverine Hulk fight, I just can't.

Apparently, Damon Lindeloff can.

fred

06-28-2007, 11:06 AM

What is that 2 X-book picks in 2 months? Ay.. What is this world coming to...

It's not that crazy to have two x-picks. It is crazy that they were the ones that they were though. I'm astounded by the support for x-men 200 that I've seen since last night. I thought that it was horrible. And why won't anyone answer my questions about Jean Gray? She's ****ING DEAD, how can she be on the cover?

kwok_talk

06-28-2007, 12:10 PM

When Gambit showed up to fight Cable, I wondered what Fred would think of that. Potentially Cable would die or get his but kicked, but at the hands of Gambit...

kwok_talk

06-28-2007, 12:12 PM

paper

06-28-2007, 12:16 PM

That's a lot of books, Fred. Sorry that so many of them sucked.

Ok. Were we the only two on board for this JSA Classified Wildcat thing? Cuz we need a tie-breaker. I almost dropped this book after a few pages. I get the things you liked about it, but I don't like the art at all. I think I like the characterization of Ted, but my interest in the book stops there.

My books of the week were Daredevil and Criminal. Daredevil had one of the coolest panels ever; Lark using the handcuffs as a frame-within-a-frame to show Daredevil fleeing the cops. It was a very simple story, and maybe not as good as previous books, but the storytelling was so polished, and the suspense really had me. Criminal was good, but nothing could top the first issue in this arc, which, as Brubaker explains on the inside cover, had a whole lot of stuff going on. I like this story, and it's looking to be even better than Coward.

Iron Fist always feels, to me, like it's missing panels here and there. That has to be a Fraction thing. It's just rushed and although it's mostly good...It keeps confusing the shit out of me. Orson sacrifices himself to save Danny, but the panel where he actually switches places with him is missing. This book had the feel of a cheesy kung fu movie, and that's fine, but previous issues had a little more depth to them. I'm just glad the tournament arc is coming, because damn if that doesn't sound like fun!

Teen Titans was awful. Get your Amazons out of my books, damn it!

Countdown I liked, maybe a little more than last week. I really enjoyed seeing Jimmy Olsen get beat up. Liked the Rogues and Mary Marvel stuff too. My only problem is that Trickster and Piper are a lot more interesting and sympathetic here then they were in Flash. They seemed to be actively enjoying Bart's murder last week, and as i was reading I figured that didn't really match up with Countdown. Ah, well.

ekval

06-28-2007, 12:30 PM

It's not that crazy to have two x-picks. It is crazy that they were the ones that they were though. I'm astounded by the support for x-men 200 that I've seen since last night. I thought that it was horrible. And why won't anyone answer my questions about Jean Gray? She's ****ING DEAD, how can she be on the cover?

I thought it was crazy that she was on the cover as well, "iconic" not withstanding.

I think this is one of those agree to disagree things though most likely Fred. I mean, you hate Ramos with an undying passion, plus you hate Gambit and Cannonball. Very little way this was going to be good to you in any way at all....a perfect storm of Fred hate brewing, if only Daniel Way had written it....kinda surprised you dropped the money on it, cept maybe you are getting ready for another yourcomicsucks column :)

acomicbookgirl

06-28-2007, 12:52 PM

fred

06-28-2007, 01:25 PM

When Gambit showed up to fight Cable, I wondered what Fred would think of that. Potentially Cable would die or get his but kicked, but at the hands of Gambit...

The enemy of my enemy is my friend

(even when he's a contrived dialectic)

fred

06-28-2007, 01:27 PM

I just thought that she was put on as more of an "iconic" pick. Gambit was also on the Finch cover, even though he's a baddie now. Dunno. Maybe she picked up some tips from Tupac and Elliott Smith as to how to show up on media post-death.

It just annoys me. It brings up all of these horrible x-memories for me of spaceships trapped under water and foil hologram covers. I got the gatefold because it was in my box rather than because I chose it. I got it home and looked at it and went "aw what the ****?".

k33k3r

06-28-2007, 01:30 PM

I only had 6 books this week and most of them left me either scratching my head or unhappy. I think this was the week of lets confuse this shit out of the readers.

-Marvel-
DareDevil 98 - POW - Brubaker keep it up and we'll keep reading great work and again I can't believe I wasn't reading this book sooner.

Craphole & Deadpool 42 - Deadpool stuff was great. Please say Craphole is dead and he took Gambit with him. So dumb and please spare us the use of the much unneeded character.
Lame cross over number one.

Fantastic Four 547 - SBOW - Why am i reading this book. I have no idea what the hell happened. All of a sudden Johnny is talking about the Marvel Zombie when I last remember them find Gravity or whatever his name is in the last issue. Oh that's right I don't read Black Panther. Could you please deport his ass or something. Oh and the stupid hair weave crap where you see The Thing picking up Storm by her hair. RETARDED!!!
Lame cross over number two that confused me and pissed me off.

Thunderbolts 115 - This issue wasn't as bad for me as it was for some. I enjoyed it for the most part other than I thought that Bullseyes nanites were disabled? Why did he get the crap kicked out of him and made "the man trapped inside a dead body" by pretty much a nobody. I'll give it one more and then I may use it for toilet paper.

-DC-
Countdown 44 - I liked this issue better than last week mostly because they brought back the characters I'm most interested in. Those being Mary Marvel and The Rogues(well they showed two of them at least). I have no idea what is going on with Mary at all and/or any idea who that guy was she was talking to. Someone please explain this. Were those the Amazons? The Jimmy Olsen thing is starting to get kinda old already and it hasn't even been ten issues.

Teen Titans 48 - I though you guys told me last issue was a good jumping on point??? What the hell happened. I have no idea what is going on at all. Did I miss an issue or five? The Titans are now under arrest? Ow Ow Ow my head hurts again.
Lame cross over number three that confused the hell out of me.

Next weeks books better be 100% better than this ones. I was left feeling really ripped off.

fred

06-28-2007, 01:34 PM

That's a lot of books, Fred. Sorry that so many of them sucked.

It was bound to happen. It's odd but when I have that many it feels like I don't enjoy it as much.

Ok. Were we the only two on board for this JSA Classified Wildcat thing? Cuz we need a tie-breaker. I almost dropped this book after a few pages. I get the things you liked about it, but I don't like the art at all. I think I like the characterization of Ted, but my interest in the book stops there.

I just saw the sales figures and yes it was only us. (I'm kidding - I saw no figures) I loved it. This type of story though is really my thing. You could take the underlying themes and put them into a story with anyone where it would be believable and I'd love it. You could do it with DD or conceivably Batman and I think that it would work well. Tell me that 'unwind' thing wasn't the funniest line ever though! I laughed really hard.

My books of the week were Daredevil and Criminal. Daredevil had one of the coolest panels ever; Lark using the handcuffs as a frame-within-a-frame to show Daredevil fleeing the cops. It was a very simple story, and maybe not as good as previous books, but the storytelling was so polished, and the suspense really had me. Criminal was good, but nothing could top the first issue in this arc, which, as Brubaker explains on the inside cover, had a whole lot of stuff going on. I like this story, and it's looking to be even better than Coward.

Brubaker has it going on. Every month he makes me love his writing a bit more. The handcuff thing is a great example of the economy in the story-telling.

Teen Titans was awful. Get your Amazons out of my books, damn it!

What did you think of the art? Was it just me? I thought that it was horrid.

fred

06-28-2007, 01:36 PM

I thought it was crazy that she was on the cover as well, "iconic" not withstanding.

I think this is one of those agree to disagree things though most likely Fred. I mean, you hate Ramos with an undying passion, plus you hate Gambit and Cannonball. Very little way this was going to be good to you in any way at all....a perfect storm of Fred hate brewing, if only Daniel Way had written it....kinda surprised you dropped the money on it, cept maybe you are getting ready for another yourcomicsucks column :)

It's difficult because A) I want to like it but I can't AND B) I want to stay up on the x-books but they're just making it so hard

they're ****ing high if they think I'm buying New X-Men or Excalibur to get any of this story though

mikegraham6

06-28-2007, 01:36 PM

Whoa fred! great reviews (as usual) but damn, i don't agree with you on a lot of them.
X-men 200 was fricking amazing! best issue of that series since Morrison left IMO.
I also didn't think Thunderbolts was bad either but you were right about the dialogue, after venom spouts that line you mentionned, songbird actually asks him why (?!?), and he replies with "so i can lick out their hearts"---CHEESE!

the best i've read so far is Iron Fist, f*ckin hell is that book awesome! the action had me on the edge of my seat and was better than the last 10 action movies i've seen.
Can't wait to hear your thoughts

fred

06-28-2007, 01:41 PM

Craphole & Deadpool 42 - Deadpool stuff was great. Please say Craphole is dead and he took Gambit with him. So dumb and please spare us the use of the much unneeded character.
Lame cross over number one.

I was really disappointed that all of the x-shit was happening here too.

Thunderbolts 115 - This issue wasn't as bad for me as it was for some. I enjoyed it for the most part other than I thought that Bullseyes nanites were disabled? Why did he get the crap kicked out of him and made "the man trapped inside a dead body" by pretty much a nobody. I'll give it one more and then I may use it for toilet paper.

she only told them that they were disabled so that he'd run away and get ****ed up.

Teen Titans 48 - I though you guys told me last issue was a good jumping on point??? What the hell happened. I have no idea what is going on at all. Did I miss an issue or five? The Titans are now under arrest? Ow Ow Ow my head hurts again.
Lame cross over number three that confused the hell out of me.

This was a big casualty of AA. If you aren't reading Countdown, Amazons Attack, and Wonder Woman than this issue wouldn't make much sense.

cam-

06-28-2007, 01:47 PM

I think Finch was going for an all X-men roster past and present, hence the Jean Grey Fred. (THough I don't remember Banshee...)

k33k3r

06-28-2007, 01:48 PM

I do read countdown but that doesn't help in this case too much. And on the bullseye thing, yeah my bad I'm dumb and didn't think of that.

fred

06-28-2007, 01:50 PM

the art was so terrible in TBolts that would be easy to have a hard time following the story.

mikegraham6

06-28-2007, 01:50 PM

fred

06-28-2007, 01:51 PM

I think Finch was going for an all X-men roster past and present, hence the Jean Grey Fred. (THough I don't remember Banshee...)

I'll have to look for Banshee in the key. (It had a key - that's how dumb it was)

I could conceivably understand that but she's right up front with Scott. Emma's off in a corner.

cam-

06-28-2007, 01:52 PM

mikegraham6

06-28-2007, 01:58 PM

My only problem was, hasn't Bullseye already been in a coma? Maybe Daredevil will whisper to him again...

possibly my favorite issue of Daredevil EVER!

labor_days

06-28-2007, 01:59 PM

cam-

06-28-2007, 02:02 PM

Shit book of the week really should have been Teen Titans, Fred. I'm looking at it again and am just astounded by the awfulness of it all. I just can't shake the WW/AA/TT trifecta of terribleness. Who OK-ed this for print? <shakes head in disbelief>

(I loved this week's JSA Classified too. So that makes 3 of us. Right on.)

I'm with you. ANd I knew it was coming (not the shitty art, but the fact that I knew this issue was going to be a letdown.)

I don't want to harp on crossovers, for the most part I'm a shill and don't mind buying in, but AMazons Attack is one I decided not to get into, and it's f-ing with my Teen Titans!!!! Right when it was starting to get good again.

DAMN.

fred

06-28-2007, 02:02 PM

I haven't finished reading my books yet, but I whole heartedly disagree with you on Thunderbolts Fred.

I thought it was great fun, arms ripped off, serious beat downs and some redemption for the team. (sort of).

This was the first time I thought Ellis was actually going somewhere with this book, you know? Maybe Thunderbolts will actually have some effect.

My only problem was, hasn't Bullseye already been in a coma? Maybe Daredevil will whisper to him again...

I was actually put off on Thunderbolts from the first panel.

The coma thing bugged me for personal reasons. A few years ago, I had a friend who was in a coma for almost 3 weeks. He had a long hard road after he came out of it. I used to visit him in rehab and color with him. Seriously, and we were in our early 20s. He's mostly better now and he even made it to my wedding. The point though is that I have so much respect for what he went through. It made him so noble in my mind to have struggled so hard to regain himself. I don't think that Bullseye deserves that arc. I don't think that he's worthy of our respect. He's a **** and he should remain a foil or die.

fred

06-28-2007, 02:03 PM

paper

06-28-2007, 02:05 PM

What did you think of the art [in Teen Titans]? Was it just me? I thought that it was horrid.

It was pretty bad. But the story was worse. I remember kind of enjoying the previous Teen Titans issue, but I've yet to read one that I love. Maybe the new lineup will work better for me.

cam-

06-28-2007, 02:06 PM

I was actually put off on Thunderbolts from the first panel.

The coma thing bugged me for personal reasons. A few years ago, I had a friend who was in a coma for almost 3 weeks. He had a long hard road after he came out of it. I used to visit him in rehab and color with him. Seriously, and we were in our early 20s. He's mostly better now and he even made it to my wedding. The point though is that I have so much respect for what he went through. It made him so noble in my mind to have struggled so hard to regain himself.

Well, of course, I can respect that. I'm glad he's recovered.

I don't think that Bullseye deserves that arc. I don't think that he's worthy of our respect. He's a **** and he should remain a foil or die.

BUt at the same time I thought it was such an interesting choice to include him on the team in the first place, and it's certainly led to some interesting beats within the arc. I hear what you're saying, but didn't we all want Bullseye to get that beat down? This was probably the only way Ellis could make it serious enough (I'm sure he's not allowed to kill him.)

kwok_talk

06-28-2007, 02:08 PM

Teen Titans was seriously very bad.

Worse than UXM? Man some of those Dazzler/Angel shots were UGLY!

fred

06-28-2007, 02:11 PM

Worse than UXM? Man some of those Dazzler/Angel shots were UGLY!

I think it was. UXM was very bad too though

ekval

06-28-2007, 02:17 PM

It's difficult because A) I want to like it but I can't AND B) I want to stay up on the x-books but they're just making it so hard

they're ****ing high if they think I'm buying New X-Men or Excalibur to get any of this story though

I agree with those two reasons a lot about X books in general. I haven't ventured into Excalibur fortunately, but was upset to have wasted money on a few issues of new X-men...that book is truly craptastic for me at least, makes adjectiveless look pulitzer-worthy by comparison.

Every time I see an issue of New X-men on the shelf though I'm tempted...last time I succumbed was that prelude to the quest for Majik...wow, it was not so good.

I've actually winnowed it down to Uncanny, Adjectiveless, Astonishing and X-Factor...Wolverine even had to get the axe after that first incomprehensible issue by Loeb.

labor_days

06-28-2007, 02:18 PM

cam-

06-28-2007, 02:18 PM

In other news, I loved the conclusion of The Nightly News

ANd Fred, were you aware that Jonathan Hickman has a Backup story in the Legion of Monsters:Satanaone shot,for the living mummy?

Haven't read it yet, but I picked it up for this reason (not for the Greg Land cover, which bears a striking resemblance to a Pamela Anderson Playboy cover.)

cam-

06-28-2007, 02:20 PM

labor_days

06-28-2007, 02:21 PM

(not for the Greg Land cover, which bears a striking resemblance to a Pamela Anderson Playboy cover.)Oh, that's just crazy talk. Greg Land is a truly original artist. :rolleyes:

paper

06-28-2007, 02:21 PM

Wolverine even had to get the axe after that first incomprehensible issue by Loeb.

Tangent I know, but even if Loeb wrote a book about me being awesome I still wouldn't read it. I dislike other writers to a greater extent, but this is one iconic writer that I just don't get. He may well be a very nice guy, but yuck. If writing had a color, his would be beige.

labor_days

06-28-2007, 02:23 PM

No. I love it. Art and story. (you're right though I could do without the commercials).I honestly don't know if T-bolts got better but when Stan Lee shows up in my comic as a game show host- well, you lost me. Maybe I'm just petty that way but there's only so much terribleness I can take every week. And I read Supergirl so think on that.

paper

06-28-2007, 02:25 PM

I can't believe people are still reading Thunderbolts. I dropped the book two issues into Ellis' run. That Stan Lee bit a few issues back still keeps me awake at night. Brr.

Justice Like Lightning? Pssh. More like, "Terriblness Like Lightning". Am I right dudes?

I dropped it after the third one I think. It bothers me even more because I really like Ellis otherwise. If it were an offering from someone without talent like, say, Loeb, I wouldn't mind. But this is like going to a great eatery like Wendy's, asking for a Spicy chicken fillet and then getting a hatchet to the sternum. Especially when you know that at other Wendy's locations, like the one in Snowtown, this isn't happening.

fred

06-28-2007, 02:26 PM

horatio616

06-28-2007, 02:26 PM

fred

06-28-2007, 02:27 PM

labor_days

06-28-2007, 02:27 PM

Tangent I know, but even if Loeb wrote a book about me being awesome I still wouldn't read it. I dislike other writers to a greater extent, but this is one iconic writer that I just don't get. He may well be a very nice guy, but yuck. If writing had a color, his would be beige.

Yeah, I totally get what you are saying here. And I have to admit Loeb is really a hit-n-miss writer. The guy can be downright awful at times (maybe most of the time) but every so often there's a bit of brilliance that comes through.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/12/Forallseasons.jpg

Just saying, respect.

fred

06-28-2007, 02:27 PM

Oh, that's just crazy talk. Greg Land is a truly original artist. :rolleyes:

His drawings are as original as a snowflake, er I mean a penny

paper

06-28-2007, 02:28 PM

I've read a good chunk of that, but I attribute any greatness in it to Sale. That's just me.

fred

06-28-2007, 02:29 PM

I had to laugh at the art in X-Men 200. It has no emotional weight. That scene with Iceman and Mystique, specifically the last panel, was intended to be touching, but with Ramos' art, it came off as laughable.

I've developed an elaborate Ramos ruse. Someday I will meet him at a con and tell him that I work on the Tonight Show. I'll ask him to draw Jay Leno as Wolverine so that I can give it to him as a gift. Then I will have my proof.

paper

06-28-2007, 02:32 PM

And, as promised, I'm going to list three things I really like to balance out this thing I hate.

I really look forward to my LCS getting Gotham Central vol. 1 in stock. And I can't wait for Batman: Ego. Also...I like that show that Loeb worked for...Lost. That's really good.

cam-

06-28-2007, 02:32 PM

And I read Supergirl so think on that.

Ouch, I feel for you.

Now THAT's a convoluted mess if ever I've dropped a book, Which I have, supergirl.

Re: THunderbolts, Venom did bite someone's arm off. Lest we forget. Sounds like it would be up most people's alley.

paper

06-28-2007, 02:33 PM

I've developed an elaborate Ramos ruse. Someday I will meet him at a con and tell him that I work on the Tonight Show. I'll ask him to draw Jay Leno as Wolverine so that I can give it to him as a gift. Then I will have my proof.

Damn, I totally could have gotten that for you at Wizard World. I was at his table area before he even had a line.

the-screw-on-aaron

06-28-2007, 02:37 PM

This was a really weird week in that every book I read was better than the next with two exceptions. I will review each book as I read them, I had seven books this week and overall it was pretty sweet.

Countdown #44: I always read my weekly book first, so it's a good thing I did because this was possibly the worst book this week and after it my books only got better. I cannot tell want the hell was going on in this book! I know from 52 that I have to give it a chance before it gets to the juicy bits but it seriously bad. The art at first I thought was cool but then I realized nobody look like they were supposed to, Holly Robinson who I have only read in Batman Year One and here was last issue not a buxom blonde if I remember correctly but in this issue apparently she is.
The Mary Marvel and The Rogues storylines are the best by far. Mary becoming more and more evil with her powers as we go along, kind of like the Black Venom Spider-Man Costume in that her new powers seem to be bringing out her darker nature, if that's their angle awesome I'm totally there. Her meeting up with Billy was interesting but weird, I'm not sure what I like what they've done to Billy with his all white outfit but I'll reserve judgment for later as they haven't explored it that much.
The Rogues who I thought were silly at first are now turning out to be one of the cooler storylines. This was a real setup of things to come and I'm totally there, on the run after the incidents with the flash and some mysterious figures following them this could be really interesting for their future.
Everything else in this book was kind of weird and bad. I have no interest in the Forerunner, her character, plot and dialogue feel really really really forced! I don't like having a character shoved down my throat and who the hell is the Monarch? This is probably my lack of DC history coming through but I hate a character I have to look up on Wikipedla.
This book really needs to pick up the pace by the 20th issue or it might be time to drop it.

Grade: F

Daredevil #98: I think this is my pow just the same as last month, out of the three Brubaker books that came out this week this was probably the best. Every page and every panel had me on the edge of my seat. I literally was sitting on the edge of my park bench as I read this, what a fantastic action sequence at the beginning! Daredevil racing to get back to his wife in time escapes from the cop's while handcuffed, Michael lark is doing some fantastic stuff here the panel's move so smoothly it's unbelievable, the one-page where Matt in raising across town to get back to his wife with all his dead girlfriends deaths looming over him is fantastic I wish I had that page.
Another thing about that page made me realize something, Ed Brubaker is unpredictable! With all the stuff he's done and the expert twists and turns in his works I feel like anything can happen. Matt Murdoch's wife could die in this issue and I wouldn't be surprised it's just that unpredictable. Having read just recently volume 2 of Frank Miller's Daredevil I get a real feeling of legacy with this book. The mantle is being carried on so well it feels like one giant intense continuity of a book and it's fantastic to see what it's become.
When Melvin is holding Mill over a building ledge I was so glued to the book that people around me restart a look at me really funny. It constantly amazes me the ways creators seem to find to screw up Matt Murdoch's life, when Melvin drops Milla off the building and Matt is diving after her I'm thinking to myself “if she dies he is going to be so screwed up.” The urgency in these pages is there, their relationships and feelings extremely human and believable, this is probably one of the best books I'm reading right now and it seems to be getting even better.
The one thing that is nagging me a little bit is the fact that Daredevil and Matt Murdoch seemed to be the same person now, they're bits where the gladiator refers to Daredevil as Matt and though he's delirious I don't feel like they're trying to hide his identity anymore. But that's okay, they've dealt a lot with that issue in the last couple of arcs it just seems to be wearied the way their handling it.
Anything can happen in this book but whatever happens its sure to be awesome.

Grade: A+

X-factor #20: wow! This has probably been the worst story arc so far in this series and at the end it still manages to pull through and be brilliant. I have a lot invested in this book it's one of the first titles I started picking up in regular issues so I was quite worried about the lack of quality I've seen lately, but this issue changed it all.
I feel like we've been going nowhere and all of a sudden things start happening. The army of Matrox dupes was hilarious and cool. It amazes me the different ways in which Peter David finds to use Matrox powers, it’s so clever.
Other than that fun moment the rest of the issue really picked up the story that was very dull at first and really spearheaded in the right direction, it's interesting because this seems to be the only book up to this point that has been concentrating on the events of House of M and the Son of M miniseries as it has many reference to that throughout the book(Quicksilver, Callisto and Linda Miller). Linda Miller is probably one of the best new characters to come out in years and what Peter David has done with her is extremely commendable. Her power is interesting, her attitude is great and she knows stuff! All of this creates an extremely well rounded character, plus the mysterys thicken with her as we find out that Quicksilver's touch that overloads mutants doesn't affect her meaning she might not be a mutant!
Add in a kid exploding, Richter possibly dead, Quicksilver losing his powers again we have a very satisfactory ending to this arc which was a pleasant surprise.

Grade: B

Thunderbolts #115: sorry Fred I like this one as well, though I respect your reasons for disliking it.
This issue wrapping up Warren Ellis and Mike Deodata, Jr’s first run extremely surprising in its quality. Finally some good old-fashioned superheroes fun as they takedown the Thunderbolts! The idea of some supposedly reformed villains that aren't really reformed is a good one but I don't get the feeling that in this book nobody is really innocent, none of Thunderbolts at least. Everybody in one way or another seems to be messed up a bit like Transmetropolitan in a way, with the exception of Jack Flag everybody is looking out for themselves and only Mr. Ellis could pull it off, bravo.
I really enjoyed the supposedly anty registration heroes beating the crap out of the Thunderbolts, though they eventually get The Steel Spider in the end he gives them the good fight before his arm gets brutally ripped off and eaten by Vanime. I love it when **** happens like this! This issue's full of stuff like that as the ending involves a really cool fight between Bullseye and American Eagle, and let me tell you Bullseye gets his ass kick’t and it's been coming to him a long time! He's one of the few people I think in the Marvel universe it really deserves a butt kicking and it was great to see him get it at the hands of a D list hero of all people.
The action sequences in this book have been some of the best I've seen in comic books. The real dirty fights and Deodata’s style captures it perfectly. Having said all this though I'm moving to trades after this issue, mainly because I think the whole book will be more fluent plus I have too many monthly book as it is and need to start preparing for cutbacks for drama school.
Great issue its just plain fun.

Grade: B

More reviews to come.

cam-

06-28-2007, 02:45 PM

I actually kinda liked that. It'd be hell for someone like Bullseye....especially knowing it came at the hands of someone who's technically powerless (right? Did I totally miss the mark on that?)

Aaron just reminded me, my understanding was that American Eagle has general strength and invulnerability.

From Wiki:

Somehow a combination of the sonic energy of the blast and the exposure to the uranium gave both of the Strongbow brothers enhanced strength, endurance and senses.

labor_days

06-28-2007, 02:47 PM

cam-

06-28-2007, 02:51 PM

Anyone read Sinestro Corps? Is it worth 4.99?

the-screw-on-aaron

06-28-2007, 02:52 PM

Actually, Billy's all white look reflects his taking on the responsibility of the Wizard. It's a Trials Of Shazam thing and not something that's just popped up in Countdown out of the blue. Just thought you dudes who aren't reading Trials of Shazam and going "WTF?" during Countdown would like to know.

Also Black Mary rules.

Ah I seen now. Thanks for telling me that, though I really should have to know what's going on in Trials of Shazam to read this book it kind of bugs me.

horatio616

06-28-2007, 03:01 PM

Aaron just reminded me, my understanding was that American Eagle has general strength and invulnerability.

From Wiki:

Is he more powerful than either Ambercrombie or Fitch?

labor_days

06-28-2007, 03:05 PM

Ah I seen now. Thanks for telling me that, though I really should have to know what's going on in Trials of Shazam to read this book it kind of bugs me.
Agreed but it's been awhile since Billy's been all white and Freddie began the process of becoming the next Capt. Marvel. You gotta tell a story with the characters you got at some point. I really don't mind that Countdown hasn't explained EVERY little detail.

I know it bugs some folks but honestly what do you want them to do? Have a little caption box & red arrow saying "This is Billy Batson, when the rock of eternity..." or "During his time in the Wildstorm U..." every time a character is on page. Countdown is post-OYL, post-IC, post-52- we gotta move on with continuity already.

kwok_talk

06-28-2007, 03:06 PM

Anyone read Sinestro Corps? Is it worth 4.99?

That was $5?!? Well my fault for not looking at the price. To be fair, I know NOTHING about the GL Corps or any of the GLs. But I just decided to pick it up for fun. I really enjoyed it. The art was good and there were some fun battle. I think a few big things happened, but I won’t spoil. Was that a one-shot or is this a new series?

mikegraham6

06-28-2007, 03:06 PM

darron

06-28-2007, 03:09 PM

Aaron just reminded me, my understanding was that American Eagle has general strength and invulnerability.

From Wiki:

I knew I was a bit off the mark there. For some reason I thought he was powerless. Thanks, Cam!

mikegraham6

06-28-2007, 03:12 PM

awesome reviews aaron

cam-

06-28-2007, 03:15 PM

That was $5?!? Well my fault for not looking at the price. To be fair, I know NOTHING about the GL Corps or any of the GLs. But I just decided to pick it up for fun. I really enjoyed it. The art was good and there were some fun battle. I think a few big things happened, but I won’t spoil. Was that a one-shot or is this a new series?

Yup $5. I believe it's continuing in the Green Lantern Corps series.

the-screw-on-aaron

06-28-2007, 03:17 PM

Agreed but it's been awhile since Billy's been all white and Freddie began the process of becoming the next Capt. Marvel. You gotta tell a story with the characters you got at some point. I really don't mind that Countdown hasn't explained EVERY little detail.

I know it bugs some folks but honestly what do you want them to do? Have a little caption box & red arrow saying "This is Billy Batson, when the rock of eternity..." or "During his time in the Wildstorm U..." every time a character is on page. Countdown is post-OYL, post-IC, post-52- we gotta move on with continuity already.

I see what you are saying but that at the same time I don't like being confused all the time.

I can handle bits Amazons Attack even though I don't read it, I read the flash so that's okay, I can handle the Holly Robinson stuff even though I don't read Catwoman, I can handle the Teen Titans stuff even though I don't read that, but on top of it all something drastic has happened to Billy that happened over a year ago that I don't think here about that's putting it in over-the-top.

cam-

06-28-2007, 03:21 PM

I see what you are saying but that at the same time I don't like being confused all the time.

I can handle bits Amazons Attack even though I don't read it, I read the flash so that's okay, I can handle the Holly Robinson stuff even though I don't read Catwoman, I can handle the Teen Titans stuff even though I don't read that, but on top of it all something drastic has happened to Billy that happened over a year ago that I don't think here about that's putting it in over-the-top.

I'm having more and more trouble with countdown for exactly this reason. It feels like I'm not interested in the over-arcing story it's telling, and beyond that it's just a bunch of snippets of other books. I could read previews for that.

Also, they could bring back the "editor note's *" to when things happened. THat might help...

mikegraham6

06-28-2007, 03:25 PM

Also, they could bring back the "editor note's *" to when things happened. THat might help...

i agree, countdown is in desperate need of these notes. In fact all books should have them, why the hell did they take them away in the first place?!?!

labor_days

06-28-2007, 03:33 PM

i agree, countdown is in desperate need of these notes. In fact all books should have them, why the hell did they take them away in the first place?!?!
Because it becomes a distracting burden over time. Ideally, all the pertinent info to the story should be in the comic itself. The rest is there for you to explore at your leisure.

jimski

06-28-2007, 03:37 PM

I'll have to look for Banshee in the key. (It had a key - that's how dumb it was)

See, but if it didn't have a key, people would be all, like, "Dude, who the **** is that dude? This is teh sux0rz."

Banshee is airborne on fold 6 of 8. If it's gonna be like that, we might as well get into how she's wearing her Phoenix suit, or how Dazzler's on the cover in disco garb, or how the biggest head in the picture is Xorn's.

cam-

06-28-2007, 03:44 PM

Xorn doesn't even exist!!!! Wait, fictional character's, riiiiiight.

jimski

06-28-2007, 03:48 PM

World War Hulk Front Lines #1 - I'm glad that I picked this up. This is far better than Civil War Front Lines at this point. Way to go Jenkins. B+

"You know, the first issue of this Paul Jenkins miniseries about the drunk reporter looks pretty good! This is off to a really strong start."

http://shadowmage.plinkomedia.com/images/Admiral-Ackbar-trap.jpg

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it!

fred

06-28-2007, 04:00 PM

Damn, I totally could have gotten that for you at Wizard World. I was at his table area before he even had a line.

I wish that I hadn't thought of it last night while I was engaging in another revenge-related activity that is very funny but will go nameless.

fred

06-28-2007, 04:04 PM

Thunderbolts #115: sorry Fred I like this one as well, though I respect your reasons for disliking it.

Nice reviews as always Aaron. Don't ever feel like you have to apologize for your opinion. My stance is nothing but my own opinion. Taste is subjective - own yours.

davegraham

06-28-2007, 04:04 PM

I didn't pick it up, but I am interested in knowing why the Hulk is going of Professor X. Xavier wasn't apart of of the Illuminati when they sent him into space. Was he? I don't remember.

fred

06-28-2007, 04:05 PM

Is he more powerful than either Ambercrombie or Fitch?

No but he is more powerful than retired hero Structure.

fred

06-28-2007, 04:05 PM

I didn't pick it up, but I am interested in knowing why the Hulk is going of Professor X. Xavier wasn't apart of of the Illuminati when they sent him into space. Was he? I don't remember.

that was the whole thing - he wasn't. Hulk goes there to find out how he would've voted. so dumb

fred

06-28-2007, 04:06 PM

fred

06-28-2007, 04:08 PM

See, but if it didn't have a key, people would be all, like, "Dude, who the **** is that dude? This is teh sux0rz."

Banshee is airborne on fold 6 of 8. If it's gonna be like that, we might as well get into how she's wearing her Phoenix suit, or how Dazzler's on the cover in disco garb, or how the biggest head in the picture is Xorn's.

and is Xavier in his wheel chair? I couldn't tell last night. There's a hint of the lap blanket that he used to hide his hard-on for Jean.....

fred

06-28-2007, 04:09 PM

"You know, the first issue of this Paul Jenkins miniseries about the drunk reporter looks pretty good! This is off to a really strong start."

http://shadowmage.plinkomedia.com/images/Admiral-Ackbar-trap.jpg

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it!

you've got me there

davegraham

06-28-2007, 04:11 PM

that was the whole thing - he wasn't. Hulk goes there to find out how he would've voted. so dumb

That is dumb. Gage is confounding me. I really enjoy Stormwatch PHD, but his Iron Man stuff is boring me. Granted it has only been one issue so I am not dropping him yet. I am putting the Iron Man title on probabtion and skipping Gage's other WWH stuff.

fred

06-28-2007, 04:13 PM

That is dumb. Gage is confounding me. I really enjoy Stormwatch PHD, but his Iron Man stuff is boring me. Granted it has only been one issue so I am not dropping him yet. I am putting the Iron Man title on probabtion and skipping Gage's other WWH stuff.

I should've known WWHXM would suck after CWXM (too long - abbreviating) sucked so hard. They don't have to be shoe-horned into every event. So dumb

jimski

06-28-2007, 04:20 PM

I should've known WWHXM would suck after CWXM (too long - abbreviating) sucked so hard. They don't have to be shoe-horned into every event. So dumb

I bought this solely on the strength of Gage-related word-of-mouth. I didn't hate it, but it left my socks unrocked. Hulk talking about 30% less would've made a world of difference. That and the X-men appearing before the last three pages. As for that "how would you have voted?" thing, I assume that's just a prelude to Hulk pummeling him no matter what he says next. That didn't bug me.

Couldn't the X-Men... like... participate in one of these events? Just like any other characters? Why are they always in their own special pocket? Is it just that their world is officially too complicated to fit into any other overarching storyline?

conorkilpatrick

06-28-2007, 04:21 PM

I'll have to look for Banshee in the key. (It had a key - that's how dumb it was)

The all-star cover (with character key) is like a time honored comic book thing. Especially for event books.

k33k3r

06-28-2007, 04:21 PM

Is there going to be a WWHSM and WWHPJW????

cam-

06-28-2007, 04:22 PM

Or a WWHLOMS (guesses? Greg Land cover this week...)

conorkilpatrick

06-28-2007, 04:29 PM

Because it becomes a distracting burden over time. Ideally, all the pertinent info to the story should be in the comic itself. The rest is there for you to explore at your leisure.

Especailly for stuff that happened, like, a year ago.

All of this confusion over Countdown baffles me. I'm not sure what people were expecting from a book that was said to snake through the entire DCU for a year.

fred

06-28-2007, 04:35 PM

The all-star cover (with character key) is like a time honored comic book thing. Especially for event books.

I guess. I just get itchy when I see a gatefold with dead people on it.

cam-

06-28-2007, 04:36 PM

Especailly for stuff that happened, like, a year ago.

All of this confusion over Countdown baffles me. I'm not sure what people were expecting from a book that was said to snake through the entire DCU for a year.

True, but 52 was apparently going to tell the story of what happened in the missing year, but still held together as a story.

Countdown is just (seemingly) unrelated snippets from other books. For me, personally, I enjoy the main plotlines, but don't need a page or two touting the greatness of Amazons Attack.

It's not confusion, it's frustration.

davegraham

06-28-2007, 04:37 PM

So is Banshee dead or not? He is on the cover, but in this day and age that doesn't mean anything about what is inside the book.

conorkilpatrick

06-28-2007, 04:40 PM

True, but 52 was apparently going to tell the story of what happened in the missing year, but still held together as a story.

Countdown is just (seemingly) unrelated snippets from other books. For me, personally, I enjoy the main plotlines, but don't need a page or two touting the greatness of Amazons Attack.

It's not confusion, it's frustration.

The only real similarity between 52 and Countdown is the shipping schedule.

cam-

06-28-2007, 04:56 PM

The only real similarity between 52 and Countdown is the shipping schedule.

True, it's still difficult to seperate them in my mind.

Still, I know what I'm getting myself into, I pick up the book, if I don't like it I should smarten up and stop buying it. I probably never will though.

In other news, I never found the editor's notes to be distracting, and I miss them.

labor_days

06-28-2007, 04:56 PM

The only real similarity between 52 and Countdown is the shipping schedule.
Truth. Other than the shipping scheldule Countdown and 52 are not at all alike. 52, while (suposedly) telling of the events of DC's missing year mostly told a self contained story as regrds the characters; Montoya, Dibny, Animal Man, etc.

Countdown is much more ingrained into the crrent events of the DCU. So while we get a bit of Donna Troy here and there, if the Amazons are on the warpath it stands to reason something as massive as an invasion would pop up in Countdown. I don't see any problem with this and t's something that makes the DCU feel more "alive" to me.

Or a WWHLOMS (guesses? Greg Land cover this week...)
World War Hulk Last Of the Mohicans.

fred

06-28-2007, 04:57 PM

So is Banshee dead or not? He is on the cover, but in this day and age that doesn't mean anything about what is inside the book.

I believe that he is dead. Jean Gray is also on the cover and as far as I know she's also dead.

cam-

06-28-2007, 04:59 PM

So is Banshee dead or not? He is on the cover, but in this day and age that doesn't mean anything about what is inside the book.

Again, it's a past AND present roster cover.

fred

06-28-2007, 04:59 PM

Or a WWHLOMS (guesses? Greg Land cover this week...)

World War Hulk Land of Menstrual Stress

labor_days

06-28-2007, 05:00 PM

Jean Gray is also on the cover and as far as I know she's also dead.I'm pretty sure Jean Grey is dead. Jean Gray, I am less sure of. ;-)

cam-

06-28-2007, 05:01 PM

World War Hulk: LEague of Man Servants.

(actually no one's got it yet)

labor_days

06-28-2007, 05:02 PM

(actually no one's got it yet)
I was wrong then? Hmm.

edit: World War Hulk Legion of Monsters Satana. So obvious now.

k33k3r

06-28-2007, 05:06 PM

World War Hulk: LEGION OF MONSTERS: SATANA

fred

06-28-2007, 05:06 PM

I'm pretty sure Jean Grey is dead. Jean Gray, I am less sure of. ;-)

Are we taking shots at my Americanized vowel substitution now? ;)

labor_days

06-28-2007, 05:07 PM

Arrg! Beat me to the edit, K33k3r.

jimski

06-28-2007, 05:07 PM

The X-Men cover only bugged me in a tangential way, in that I saw the numbered key went well past fifty and thought, as I occasionally do, "Jeezis, there are way too many g******ed X-Men." In myyyyy day, eight was stretching it. No wonder they have 6 x-books; no one volume could contain them all. Once you let Jubilee on your team, you might as well replace the gate with a revolving door.

cam-

06-28-2007, 05:08 PM

Nice work k33k3r and Labor.

(Insert No-Prize joke here)

fred

06-28-2007, 05:54 PM

The no-prize is like the funniest concept of its ilk ever. Just the idea that people would compete to win nothing but an envelope makes me laugh. It's like some kind of bizarre depression-era fairy tale.

k33k3r

06-28-2007, 06:09 PM

YEAH!!!! I Won nothing.....

fred

06-28-2007, 06:12 PM

there is the envelope
well, not in this case, but there would be

k33k3r

06-28-2007, 06:12 PM

Sweet Stale Air!!!!

ekval

06-28-2007, 06:15 PM

Sweet Stale Air!!!!

When I grew up in old people land (that's Florida) the tourist places all used to sell cans of Florida Sunshine. And yes, people bought them...

k33k3r

06-28-2007, 06:16 PM

I heard people use to buy this thing before I was born called a Pet Rock.....

kwok_talk

06-28-2007, 06:18 PM

I heard people use to buy this thing before I was born called a Pet Rock.....

Guilty as charged. To be fair, I won it at a carnival.

fred

06-28-2007, 06:19 PM

Never buy rock at a carnival
God only knows what it really is

labor_days

06-28-2007, 06:19 PM

Eagerly awaiting my envelope.

k33k3r

06-28-2007, 06:21 PM

Never buy rock at a carnival
God only knows what it really is

A petrified elephant turd.

six-gun

06-28-2007, 06:22 PM

I really, really, really liked Green Lantern Sinestro Corps Special

fred

06-28-2007, 06:24 PM

A petrified elephant turd.

see that? I go all ghetto and make a joke about crack and someone follows along. I love this place.

labor_days

06-28-2007, 06:25 PM

I am intrigued by all this Sinestro Corps. talk going around. Might have to pick that one up.

six-gun

06-28-2007, 06:30 PM

I am intrigued by all this Sinestro Corps. talk going around. Might have to pick that one up.

Ir rivals Criminal as the most brutal book of the week. Plus, Johns is using it to continue his Superboy Prime story apparently (remember the last page of Infinite Crisis?)

labor_days

06-28-2007, 06:32 PM

Ir rivals Criminal as the most brutal book of the week. Plus, Johns is using it to continue his Superboy Prime story apparently (remember the last page of Infinite Crisis?)
Where he's trapped in the sun by the GL Corps? Ohhh, now I'll have to get this one.

kwok_talk

06-28-2007, 06:37 PM

Ir rivals Criminal as the most brutal book of the week. Plus, Johns is using it to continue his Superboy Prime story apparently (remember the last page of Infinite Crisis?)

When the all-face GL got sniped, that was probably my “oh crap” moment of the week.

senoj1

06-28-2007, 06:51 PM

I might just go pick up Sinestro Corps now after reading this thread.

fred

06-28-2007, 07:07 PM

Is Sinestro Corps accesible to new readers? I have no idea what is going on with GL.

humphrey-lee

06-28-2007, 10:14 PM

I almost want to pick up X-Men #200 just to get some Ramos goodness...

If it wasn't so key to my run of books, I'd probably send you my copy just to get that "goodness" out of my sight. I actually think his "contribution" to this title so much of late is actually 70% of what made me finally drop it since being with it since issue one. And I'm a man who really doesn't care much about art as long as it's passable.

humphrey-lee

06-28-2007, 10:17 PM

Is Sinestro Corps accesible to new readers? I have no idea what is going on with GL.

Eh, you'll wonder why some things are the way they are (because I'm not a GL reader either and I read this anyways) but once the shit hits the fan it doesn't really matter.

I thought it was an okay book. All the cool moments were drowned out to me by way too much exposition and some overly cheesy or melodramatic dialogue that tends to come from Johns comics too much these days. I almost didn't make it to all the blood and gore cause it was boring me too much with the first twenty pages or so. Plus, I can't figure out how the events in this themselves aren't a company wide crossover, let alone just going through a couple GL titles and specials.

Van Scriver's art though is probably the best performance I've seen from someone's pencils this year though, I'll give it that.

kwok_talk

06-28-2007, 11:10 PM

Having recently vacationed in Chicago, I thought I’d give my reviews a Chicago theme.

Downtown traffic – Countdown felt like a mess this week, not having read a lot of the peripheral DC titles. The biggest hole was the Rogues story, which has absolutely no impact without having read the Flash. Is that my fault? Technically yes, but I guess then I reserve the right to be annoyed. The Mary Marvel story just seems somewhat predictable (Why is Shazam looking like that? See gripe above.) and the Forerunner stuff isn’t really grabbing my attention. Didn’t the Amazons Attack at the end of last issue? Where’d that go? Grade: C -

Chicago Cubs – World War Hulk: X-men. After WWH and IH, had a lot of hopes for this title. I agree with a point made by someone else of Hulk just talking too much. While neat to see Hulk take down the New X-Men, the real anticipation was his battle with the Astonishing team. But I have a feeling I’ll be let down next issue with Prof just deliberating on how he would have voted. Grade: C

Chicago White Sox – Spiderman Fairy Tales. Loved the first issue which was nearly a pick of the week for me, but this one just fell off the path somewhere. Maybe it was because I wasn’t familiar with the source material, but the storyline just seemed too shallow and pointless. Grade: C-

Chicago Bulls – GL: Sinestro Corps. I knew nothing of GL, but this was a fun quick paced brawler. Looked pretty and flashy too. Grade: A

The Billy Goat – UXM. UGLY and useless. Grade: F

Navy Pier – X-Men. Lots of flashy Baccalo action and I was happy to see Gambit back. It was all fluff and overpriced for the big issue, but I guess I was ok with spending the money. Grade: B

Deep Dish – Thunderbolts. Had plenty of cheese with the Venom line and Bullseye paralysis, but darned if I didn’t enjoy the experience. Steel Spider getting his arm bit off was crazy and American Eagle kicking the snot out of Bullseye was great. Grade: B+

Billy Corgan – The loveable cueball promises a triumphant return, but has been quiet since and the excitement just ended. While DD was great for 95% of the issue, the ending was just inconclusive and not really exciting (unless I’m missing something). Grade: A-

Haven’t read Iron Fist yet.

paper

06-28-2007, 11:17 PM

labor_days

06-28-2007, 11:20 PM

Heh. Nice Chicago theme, Kwok.

kwok_talk

06-28-2007, 11:23 PM

Good reviews, Kwok.

Iron Fist is the Chicago Fire. Lots of flash, but when all is said and done you're not left with much and really just looking forward to what's next.

I liked Countdown but didn't love it. You really should go out and get the last 2 or 3 issues of Flash. Or even the last one. It's well worth it.

Thanks. I missed the last issue of IF, so I picked that up too. I really meant to flip that last issue of the Flash because I wanted to see what the death was all about, but just slipped my mind. The lack of isolated stories in Countdown and esp Amazons Attack just bothered me.

Oh, speaking of Amazons Attack, it’ll be my fiancé. Looked real nice. She probably could beat me up too.

senoj1

06-28-2007, 11:53 PM

well done kwok. Yes the Thunderbolts was simalar to Deep Dish Pizza.

acomicbookgirl

06-28-2007, 11:53 PM

Want to know what I thought of Wonder Woman #10? Click here. (http://www.comicaddiction.com/reviews/dccomics/wonderwoman/wonderwoman010.htm) :)

labor_days

06-29-2007, 12:05 AM

Yeah, loved that Wonder Woman cover. I like the way Dodson draws WW but it's a shame the cover was the only good thing about WW #10.

(I re-read Titans, WW and Amazons in the right order this time. I think I'm more confused now. If that's even possible...)

acomicbookgirl

06-29-2007, 12:06 AM

What part are you confused about?

paper

06-29-2007, 12:09 AM

How Beechen could have been responsible for such a bad comic?

labor_days

06-29-2007, 12:09 AM

The sequence of events is all jumbled and it seems like people are just popping into scenes despite being elsewhere a moment or two ago. I don't even know what I'm reading anymore.

acomicbookgirl

06-29-2007, 12:09 AM

How Beechen could have been responsible for such a bad comic?

What makes it so bad?

paper

06-29-2007, 12:14 AM

Tim didn't sound like Tim. The art was indeed jumbled and confusing. The ending was sappy. Listen to how this sounds on paper.

Wonder Girl threw Robin at a chain link fence and he landed on her mom. Her mom told Wonder Girl to use her words, not her fists.

six-gun

06-29-2007, 12:16 AM

Okay, so Jodi Picoult writes feel good family novels right? Was I the only person that felt like the parts with Nemesis and Wonder Woman "discovering" themselves were her writing the same type of gooey monologues that make soccer moms cry and drop $30 on her dreck?

Oh, and did anyone else realize that this issue ended exactly as it began?!?!?!

labor_days

06-29-2007, 12:17 AM

Wonder Girl threw Robin at a chain link fence and he landed on her mom. Her mom told Wonder Girl to use her words, not her fists.
Actually, you just made sense of the whole thing for me.

labor_days

06-29-2007, 12:18 AM

Okay, so Jodi Picoult writes feel good family novels right? Was I the only person that felt like the parts with Nemesis and Wonder Woman "discovering" themselves were her writing the same type of gooey monologues that make soccer moms cry and drop $30 on her dreck?No. It just made me angry and pissed off. I was crying because it was so terrible but I don't think that's what you meant.

acomicbookgirl

06-29-2007, 12:20 AM

six-gun

06-29-2007, 12:21 AM

No. It just made me angry and pissed off. I was crying because it was so terrible but I don't think that's what you meant.

No, I agree that it was horrendous, (the art was better than the Dodsons though) but those two monologues were so sappy that I'm sure most of the mindless horde that makes most of the crap media that's popular today popular would love it. Me, I thought it sucked.

acomicbookgirl

06-29-2007, 12:22 AM

No. It just made me angry and pissed off. I was crying because it was so terrible but I don't think that's what you meant.

But its all over now... I hope she does not write another comic book and stick to those novels of hers..

six-gun

06-29-2007, 12:23 AM

No.. If I wanted Lifetime movie, I'll watch the Lifetime channel thank you.. :)

Exactly, I'm certainly not saying it was a good thing, just that I know where her crappy writing is coming from.

Great art though!

acomicbookgirl

06-29-2007, 12:24 AM

(the art was better than the Dodsons though)

you think? I don't even know what was worse.. The art or the story.. Its over.. I just can't believe that its going to be complied in HC that's coming out in Novemeber according to the latest Previews.. HC?! Are you kidding me?!

labor_days

06-29-2007, 12:25 AM

Psst, Six Gun. ACBG didn't care for the art in WW #10. I wouldn't mention it again. She seemed pretty cross about it....

fred

06-29-2007, 12:26 AM

What makes it so bad?

the art was horrifying

six-gun

06-29-2007, 12:28 AM

fred

06-29-2007, 12:28 AM

No.. If I wanted Lifetime movie, i'll watch the Lifetime channel thank you.. :)

oh god, don't do that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's not worth it. Let me help you: it ends with the husband being guilty or killing her.

fred

06-29-2007, 12:29 AM

This may have been posted before, but it's so classic I thought I'd let you in on what Mrs. Picoult thinks of us:

"You have to keep it in continuity or you will be attacked by the message boards, which are made up of really scary people who live in their parents' basement. If you mess with any details at all, they're all over you."

she can lick my ass. she's not mincing words so I won't either.

paper

06-29-2007, 12:30 AM

I don't want that tongue in my ass.

That tongue is for licking envelopes when she mails out apology letters to all the Wonder Woman readers.

fred

06-29-2007, 12:31 AM

I didn't say in
what the hell kind of party do you think this is?

acomicbookgirl

06-29-2007, 12:31 AM

oh god, don't do that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's not worth it. Let me help you: it ends with the husband being guilty or killing her.

You think I actually would? God no!

fred

06-29-2007, 12:32 AM

just making sure

six-gun

06-29-2007, 12:32 AM

Art... Uhm, what art???? It was prose right????? (Sorry ACBG, don't hurt me through the interwebs...)

acomicbookgirl

06-29-2007, 12:33 AM

This may have been posted before, but it's so classic I thought I'd let you in on what Mrs. Picoult thinks of us:

"You have to keep it in continuity or you will be attacked by the message boards, which are made up of really scary people who live in their parents' basement. If you mess with any details at all, they're all over you."

She couldn't even get continuity and details right.. She can go to hell.. And i'm putting that nicely..

six-gun

06-29-2007, 12:34 AM

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a161/Sn4ke22/untitled-1.jpg

Years. Best. Panel.

acomicbookgirl

06-29-2007, 12:34 AM

I don't want that tongue in my ass.

That tongue is for licking envelopes when she mails out apology letters to all the Wonder Woman readers.

The Witch couldn't even apologize.. Ay.. I pray to god that she does not write another comic book..

labor_days

06-29-2007, 12:36 AM

This may have been posted before, but it's so classic I thought I'd let you in on what Mrs. Picoult thinks of us:

"You have to keep it in continuity or you will be attacked by the message boards, which are made up of really scary people who live in their parents' basement. If you mess with any details at all, they're all over you."
All jokes aside, the thing that bothered me most about Picoult's Wonder Woman is a flat out disrespect for the character and WW readers.

It's never been about continuity. Picoult is a shitty comic book writer, period.

fred

06-29-2007, 12:36 AM

and that's exactly it

acomicbookgirl

06-29-2007, 12:37 AM

I'm off to a birthday dinner.. See ya later!

six-gun

06-29-2007, 12:38 AM

I was re-listening to some old podcasts today, and Conor really defended her first issue, I wonder if he's changed his stance at all.

labor_days

06-29-2007, 12:38 AM

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a161/Sn4ke22/untitled-1.jpg

Years. Best. Panel.

Whoa. Now I'm really sorry for not picking this one up.

six-gun

06-29-2007, 12:45 AM

Whoa. Now I'm really sorry for not picking this one up.

It's soOoo good, Geoff Johns turns the GLC into more of a military group than police force and I love that angle. Plus, Guy Gardner is actually okay in this issue, it's amazing I know!

the-screw-on-aaron

06-29-2007, 12:51 AM

Immortal Iron Fist #6: as I read this book some of the plot elements seemed really familiar to me but I could not put my finger on it. after thinking long and hard it came to me , 3 guys with Kong Foe super powers fighting each other, the apprentice gaining his masters power as he dies becoming more powerful then ever, a combat tournament in the sky. This was just one big Dragon Ball Z episode!

You herd it here folks Immortal Iron Fist has become Dragon Ball Z. while this don’t bother me that much ( I really liked that show back in the day) I just thought with the talent on this book that they could do something more with it. The bit where Iron Fist thanks Misty Knight for helping him and replies that they where more important then all that **** ( ****meaning the Civil War) bothered me a lot. This happened in WW Hulk as well with all the Avengers putting aside there differences to fight The Hulk, either the Civil War is relevant or it’s not make up your minds Marvel!

Other then that this was a fun issue and I am looking forward to the next one (despite the Dragon Ball Z stuff).

six-gun

06-29-2007, 01:01 AM

I didn't like Iron Fist very much this week, Orson Randal was an awesome character and I'm pissed that he died, plus, it didn't really end the first story (yeah, the purple-head band dude is dead), just lead into the kung-fu tournament that Brubaker wants to write (what about the hostile takeover of Rand corp? I mean, I guess now that Hydra's defeated it will fail, but still

paper

06-29-2007, 01:03 AM

Didn't purple head-band dude escape at the end?

the-screw-on-aaron

06-29-2007, 01:06 AM

The purple-head band dude died!? I thought he just teleported and he will fight in the tournament.

paper

06-29-2007, 01:12 AM

I do believe that's what happened.

fred

06-29-2007, 01:36 AM

I just read Iron Fist #6. It was really good. I loved the stuff with Cage, Misty, and Colleen. I really liked the action sequences and the pacing. I can't wait for the tournament. I hope that Danny can pull off the Crane Kick.

The art was pretty as usual. A

paper

06-29-2007, 01:44 AM

I'm having trouble getting past the archetypes in Iron Fist. I love the character of Danny Rand and the idea, but the villain is so......Mwahahahahahaha. Gimme some layers!

fred

06-29-2007, 01:46 AM

yeah I get where you're coming from. I'm not really looking at it as high art or anything. It's just fun.

six-gun

06-29-2007, 01:48 AM

Didn't purple head-band dude escape at the end?

Yeah, meant to type defeated.

paper

06-29-2007, 01:49 AM

I'm gonna go into the next arc open-minded. This first arc seems like it's just setting up the fun of this next part anyway. It's just a little different than what I've come to expect from Brubaker.

fred

06-29-2007, 01:52 AM

I'm gonna go into the next arc open-minded. This first arc seems like it's just setting up the fun of this next part anyway. It's just a little different than what I've come to expect from Brubaker.

There are times when I exclaim "****in Fraction" aloud as I read it. That being said though, it's good but it's just not GREAT.

paper

06-29-2007, 01:55 AM

Just for curiosity's sake, what were some of those moments from this issue? I've never read Fraction other than this, so I can only guess.

fred

06-29-2007, 02:03 AM

Just for curiosity's sake, what were some of those moments from this issue? I've never read Fraction other than this, so I can only guess.

there weren't as many in this one as there have been but off the top of my head:

1) the reveal of how IF, Orson, and Davos all fit together (the pushing scene in the cabin)
2) my kung fu is better than yours (I liked this, I get what he was doing, but it's clearly not bru
3) the "love that white girl so much I could holler" scene. it was kind of funny. it was risky. It wasn't Bru. I don't think that he'd do that.
4) "Sweet ****ing Christmas"

fred

06-29-2007, 02:04 AM

it's not even that all of those things were bad (some were, some weren't, some were eh), it's just that they're not Bru. It doesn't feel like his work and these items are part of the reason why.

paper

06-29-2007, 02:07 AM

fred

06-29-2007, 02:08 AM

Hands down - Criminal

second choice - Cap

It's tempting to say DD but Marvel just locked Bendis up until the year 2100 and he writes a great DD.

fred

06-29-2007, 02:14 AM

forgot to mention

I read The Other Side by Jason Aaron today and it was great. It's set in Vietnam during the war with America and features a dual narrative. One of the narrators is American and one is Vietnamese. You see through their eyes how they were each misled and blatantly lied to in order to get them to fight this war that really holds no stake for either of them. It's excellent and I recommend it.

labor_days

06-29-2007, 02:15 AM

This got me to thinking...

If Brubaker were to leave all his other books just to concentrate on one...which of his books would you want him to keep doing? If there was a second one, what would that be?Captain America, easily. Although, I love Criminal- no one else has made me want to pick up a Cap monthly untill Brubaker's run.

paper

06-29-2007, 02:17 AM

I'm gonna go with Criminal and then Daredevil.

That's not gonna stop me for getting that Cap omnibus though.

six-gun

06-29-2007, 02:19 AM

3) the "love that white girl so much I could holler"

Is Misty gay?

I'm with fred on the two, however depending on the arc, I'd switch which I'd most like to keep going. (for example: Lawless > Death of a Dream > Coward)

paper

06-29-2007, 02:24 AM

So far as I can tell they're just friends. She's previously been in relationships with Luke and Danny.

six-gun

06-29-2007, 02:29 AM

I forgot to add that the two Winter Soldier arcs of Cap are prob my favorite work of Bru's

six-gun

06-29-2007, 02:32 AM

for what it's worth, Wikipedia says nothing about her being homosexual

fred

06-29-2007, 02:41 AM

Is Misty gay?

no. it was just a flip comment (in the book).

fred

06-29-2007, 02:43 AM

I forgot to add that the two Winter Soldier arcs of Cap are prob my favorite work of Bru's

Mine is probably Scene of the Crime (http://www.amazon.com/Scene-Crime-Little-Piece-Goodnight/dp/1563896702)

fred

06-29-2007, 11:46 AM

I just read Spider-Man Fairy Tales #1. It was pretty cool. It was a retelling of Little Red Riding Hood. I enjoyed it.

acomicbookgirl

06-29-2007, 11:47 AM

That is a good one. :)

fred

06-29-2007, 11:54 AM

it was surprisingly cool

kwok_talk

06-29-2007, 12:16 PM

I just read Spider-Man Fairy Tales #1. It was pretty cool. It was a retelling of Little Red Riding Hood. I enjoyed it.

It was REALLY good. I loved the art and the MJ issues were pretty relevant with the statue discussion lately. #2 wasn't as good in my opinion.

acomicbookgirl

06-29-2007, 12:23 PM

It wasn't but I liked the art though.

paper

06-29-2007, 12:48 PM

Are the Fairy Tales books standalone stories, or is there a continuing narrative through the issues? Could I pick up 1, skip 2, and then try 3?

k33k3r

06-29-2007, 12:52 PM

I was wondering the same question. *?shrugs?*

fred

06-29-2007, 01:20 PM

I think that they are standalone. I haven't read #2 yet but it wouldn't make sense for it to continue the story.

kwok_talk

06-29-2007, 01:31 PM

Are the Fairy Tales books standalone stories, or is there a continuing narrative through the issues? Could I pick up 1, skip 2, and then try 3?

Completely standalone. The first one was a play on Little Red Riding Hood. The second was adapted from an African fairy tale. They include more “elements” of Spiderman, as opposed to the actual Spiderman character.

fred

06-29-2007, 02:01 PM

I've been reading through the Miller Daredevil Omnibus. First off, if you like good comics then you must buy this. Secondly, last night I read DD #177. It was called Where Angels Fear To Tread. It was easily the single best issue of a comic that I've ever read. Seriously impressive shit.

the-screw-on-aaron

06-29-2007, 03:30 PM

Anybody read Hellboy this week? It was the freaking bomb!

Skelton Armies, Giant Wolves, Gods, this is turning out to be one of the greatest Hellboy story arcs ever! As a long-time fan of this book it feels like the “event series” that will change everything after this, it's just so damn good.

mikegraham6

06-29-2007, 03:34 PM

Completely standalone. The first one was a play on Little Red Riding Hood. The second was adapted from an African fairy tale. They include more “elements” of Spiderman, as opposed to the actual Spiderman character.

i was actually really suprised to hear how much you enjoyed this when i was listening to your podcast kwok. a 5/5, pretty impressive, especially considering the material. what made you even consider picking up this series to begin with?

paper

06-29-2007, 03:39 PM

The next one is take on Spider-Man's origin in the style of a Japanese ghost story. I'm gonna try and track these down. Fairy tale reinterpretation is really interesting to me.

kwok_talk

06-29-2007, 04:17 PM

i was actually really suprised to hear how much you enjoyed this when i was listening to your podcast kwok. a 5/5, pretty impressive, especially considering the material. what made you even consider picking up this series to begin with?

I didn’t have any intention of picking it up, just was a whimsical pick during I think a light week. I flipped it and the art really grabbed my attention. I think that was around the time we were all debating the MJ statue, so I really appreciated how they handled MJ’s identity struggle in the issue, being neither extremely feminist or misogynist in the resolution.

jo-relrollins

06-29-2007, 07:01 PM

FRe. don't know if anyone had answered u on the dead Grey on the Xmen cover thing. But i think the cover shows every Xman that has appeared in adjectiveless. Because if u look closely Mimic,Revanche, Thunderbird,and other dead or inactive mutants are on the cover.

fred

06-29-2007, 07:09 PM

thanks. it had been suggested.

the-screw-on-aaron

06-30-2007, 08:56 PM

I picked up X-Men #200 today so I could follow the pick, I haven't touched an X-Men book since the 90s while I did watch the cartoon and read the first three essentials my knowledge of them is all right. I don't have loads of X-Men continuity stuck to my head but I knew enough to know who Mr. sinister is and The Marauders, while there were some characters I didn't know like Lady Mastermind and Omega Sentinel and don't know things like why Gambit is evil now and how Sunfire got his new look….. I had a really good time with this!

I found I was able to follow things without too much trouble, enjoyed the writing and wasn't too bothered by the art. I like Humberto Ramos from his run on Wolverine with Guggenheim and Bachalo doesn't bother me too much. Iceman and Mystique! Didn't see that coming, it’s gross as if I remember properly he's younger than her weird! Rogue was cool that ending with her was pretty tight.

Overall I was very intrigued and satisfied by this issue, it's not my pow (that's Daredevil which was fantastic!) But I'm really intrigued enough to buy it again next month.

jo-relrollins

06-30-2007, 10:37 PM

the only thing that got me,was when Mystique shot Rogue. That was out of character from what i understand of her. I mean she seems to genuinely love Rogue but yet shot her. I did love Malice getting into Omega Sentinel and then she said she's moving with the times.

fred

07-01-2007, 02:10 AM

The Mystique storyline, and Mystique storylines in general, irritate me because they feel like emotional masturbation. Will Mystique reform? Is she genuine this time? Possibly. You can hope. And then she reverts back to her normal form.

burntlight

07-01-2007, 02:59 PM

I'm not sure if I hated World War Hulk X-Men as much as Ron, but it sure did irritate me, especially one part in particular. The Hulk said at the end the reason that he knew that Professor X was in the illuminati was because Blackbolt told him. WHAT?!? Blackbolt's whisper still hurt Hulk, its just that he was so pissed off that he could withstand it. One word can still send Hulk half way across the moon.

This is a pretty big plot hole considering it was the entire basis of why Hulk was standing at the doorstep of the Xavier Mansion. Man, this ticked me off.

fred

07-01-2007, 03:32 PM

I'm getting really tired of them shoe-horning the x-men into every event. They don't really have a natural place in WWH. That's fine. Leave them out of it.

labor_days

07-01-2007, 04:46 PM

More like "World War Hulk: X-men, Sameless Money Grab", am I right dudes?

fred

07-01-2007, 05:33 PM

that's more or less the long and short of it

conorkilpatrick

07-01-2007, 05:38 PM

If Professor X was part of The Illuminati and The Hulk wants to kill The Illuminati, then I'd say the X-Men have a natural place in the event.

luthor

07-01-2007, 06:01 PM

I think the concept of WWH: X-men is really sound, it makes total sense that Hulk would want a piece of Professor X, plus don't we all want to see Hulk Vs Wolverine and Hulk Vs Juggernaut again?

The execution of the story was really really shitty.

fred

07-01-2007, 06:05 PM

If Professor X was part of The Illuminati and The Hulk wants to kill The Illuminati, then I'd say the X-Men have a natural place in the event.

I guess but .....

A) Xavier wasn't involved in making the decision and the Hulk knows this. The mini begins with him going to the x-mansion to see how he would've voted.

B) It should take place in the main book. See A) - there's not much story there

C) Luthor is right - the execution blows

kwok_talk

07-01-2007, 08:09 PM

Maybe someone (http://comics.ign.com/articles/800/800810p1.html) might die at the end of Loeb's Wolverine run?

(Hint: It's not Darkhawk.)

jgg0610

07-01-2007, 08:16 PM

Maybe someone (http://comics.ign.com/articles/800/800810p1.html) might die at the end of Loeb's Wolverine run?

(Hint: It's not Darkhawk.)
I'll believe it when it actually happens.

darron

07-02-2007, 12:14 AM

Man, remember the good ol days of not knowing when a major character was going to be killed?

No? Okay, me neither. Just checking.

Is anyone here still reading Wolverine? Is it still that 'furry' nonsense?

jgg0610

07-02-2007, 12:15 AM

fred

07-02-2007, 12:16 AM

I've left the furries behind. Keep an eye out though, Jason Aaron (The Other Side, Scalped) is writing #56.

jgg0610

07-02-2007, 12:22 AM

Also, in Previews this month, Guggenheim is coming back with issue 57 and yes I'm serious.

fred

07-02-2007, 12:25 AM

nice. that should be cool

acomicbookgirl

07-02-2007, 12:48 AM

Man, remember the good ol days of not knowing when a major character was going to be killed?

It used to be like that for me until I discovered iFanboy.. :o

six-gun

07-02-2007, 12:51 AM

Maybe someone (http://comics.ign.com/articles/800/800810p1.html) might die at the end of Loeb's Wolverine run?

(Hint: It's not Darkhawk.)

If Wolvie kills him, I will forgive Loeb's missteps.

One thought, how often is a major villain is killed? It usually seems to be the hero that's biting it and people wait for the resurgence of.

kwok_talk

07-02-2007, 08:07 PM

I read the trade of Alias last night that tells her origin story and history with Purple Man. Crap. That was really really good. A++++++++

senoj1

07-02-2007, 08:09 PM

I have hit the oversaturation point of Wolverine.

fred

07-02-2007, 08:16 PM

I read the trade of Alias last night that tells her origin story and history with Purple Man. Crap. That was really really good. A++++++++

love that book. I need to read it again when MillerFest '07 is over.

kwok_talk

07-02-2007, 08:19 PM

love that book. I need to read it again when MillerFest '07 is over.

Unfortunately, my library doesn’t have many of the volumes. I’ve considered the omnibus, but it’s quite a bit more than I’d like to pay at this point. If it drops in price by a lot on Amazon, I’d definitely snatch it up.

conorkilpatrick

07-02-2007, 08:22 PM

Unfortunately, my library doesn’t have many of the volumes. I’ve considered the omnibus, but it’s quite a bit more than I’d like to pay at this point. If it drops in price by a lot on Amazon, I’d definitely snatch it up.

Don't wait too long - the Omnibi tend to sell out.

labor_days

07-02-2007, 08:23 PM

I have hit the oversaturation point of Wolverine.I'm with you dude. I hit that point about 5 years ago. Still ongoing.

kwok_talk

07-02-2007, 08:24 PM

Don't wait too long - the Omnibi tend to sell out.

Oh, thanks for the advice, had no clue they were limited. I wanted to pick up the Morrison X-men omnibus at some point too. Oh well, I better start selling plasma.

fred

07-02-2007, 08:26 PM

The Alias Omnibus is sold out. The prics is so high because you're buying a copy from a private seller.

kwok_talk

07-02-2007, 08:31 PM

The Alias Omnibus is sold out. The prics is so high because you're buying a copy from a private seller.

Ah..thanks. That makes a whole lot more sense now.

fred

07-02-2007, 08:36 PM

It's a shame. I waited too long too. I want it really bad but not $110 worth of really bad.

darron

07-02-2007, 09:43 PM

Ditto. But, I did managed to snag all four trades from Jay and Silent Bob's Secret Stash (They actually have a fantastic trade selection) for half off, about a month ago. I've only gotten through the first trade, which was excellent, and I'm very much looking forward to reading the next three.