Screw Wired

[samureye]

First they were out to get Digg with their Reddit BS, now this? Screw them. SCREW THEM (http://blog.wired.com/business/2007/07/exclusive-behin.html).

[ariastar]

Wait, am I reading this right? A user was posting things early, and then accepting money for it? If so, then DN is ENTIRELY within its rights to shut the site down.

[mongoose]

Agreed, Aria. I don't understand why there's any fuss about this. Rev3 is clearly in the right. As a subscriber to Wired, I'm disappointed that they'd run such a one-sided story on a cut-and-dry case.

[tokenuser]

Agreed, Aria. I don't understand why there's any fuss about this. Rev3 is clearly in the right. As a subscriber to Wired, I'm disappointed that they'd run such a one-sided story on a cut-and-dry case.Search on the authors name and Digg or Revision3 - he has a bit to say on the subject. Back home we call it Tall Poppy Syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome). Over here you'd just call it sour grapes.

[masherscf]

Search on the authors name and Digg or Revision3 - he has a bit to say on the subject. Back home we call it Tall Poppy Syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome). Over here you'd just call it sour grapes.

If by that you mean that that particular writer has a hard-on for Kevin Rose... you're right.

[rabidbadger]

If by that you mean that that particular writer has a hard-on for Kevin Rose... you're right.

Never Ever, Ever use the Terms "hard-on" and "Kevin Rose" in the same post ever ever again. See, now I gotta go for a while. No longer the master of my domain. :eek:

[shinobiwest]

I understand that we're all Rev3 fans here, but calling an interview "one-sided" is a bit much. Striker in fact supplies some details that were lacking in coverage to this point, e.g. outlining in the quoted PMs for what reasons he was unable to supply download numbers to the standards alluded to by Kevin, Alex, and Jay.

Of course Striker's going to try to present himself well; there are two sides to every story. Just because his side was in violation of trademark and possibly copyright doesn't mean he didn't have motivation to act in the way he did. This story is validly journalistic in its attempt to present that side and I think it's still clear that the site was bypassing the intended system, i.e. was "in the wrong". Strange doesn't misrepresent this. [The only misrepresentation, albeit (maybe) accidental, is Revision3's characterization of Striker's site "charging" for downloads and Kevin's (maybe) accidental implication that the site was reaching 50-100,000 people, which is laughable.]

Striker is perhaps too harsh on Rev3 in calling them "hypocritical" but as far as I or any of us know he isn't lying. Were not the monetary transfers regarded as donations? When did they become-- as the company itself describes them now-- membership or subscription fees? I don't recall. Were members promised content? I am not a member at this time so I haven't been following that, but it seems like they were.

Also because I am a non-paying fan, I am unaware of any license-switching that Diggnation undergoes at the time of public release. Is there a possibility that Diggnation was distributed to members under a CC license? Rev3 AFAIK does not link to a specific CC license and did seem to display a CC logo to members at the time of "early" downloading. Is there a provision in the Membership Terms of Use that clears this up?

[samureye]

Striker is wrong, no two ways about it. This thread is about Wired's treatment of Kevin Rose - you know, the company that said digg would fall (http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/12/72370) when they own a competitor to digg, reddit (http://reddit.com). If you must say how much Striker was a hero, a visionary and overall contender for a Nobel prize, please do that in this thread (http://revision3.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7606&page=36).

[shinobiwest]

the company that said digg would fall (http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/12/72370) when they own a competitor to digg, reddit (http://reddit.com)

The provided story seems only to be a "wild" prediction that a popular website might hold out for a big payday, probably based on the story that Digg had turned down an offer from News Corp (http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/10/24/digg-does-the-acquisition-dance-with-news-corp/) and the resulting speculation that Digg was looking to be acquired (http://www.blogherald.com/2006/12/12/diggs-kevin-rose-could-already-have-been-a-millionaire-by-now/) and to observers at the time seemed to be taking a while to monetize its userbase, much like Friendster (http://phasetwo.org/post/digg-to-federated-media-show-me-the-money.html).

The fact that this all took place after Conde Nast bought reddit is fishy, but I'm still not sure that the Adario Strange articles (I think he's actually a longtime Diggnation fan) support the theory that Wired has it in for all things Kevin Rose.

[masherscf]

Bias? The story is focused solely on Revision3's "heavy-handed" tactics. The author seems uninterested the legal legal merits of the ******* shutdown. Indeed, the tactic here seems to be to create some sort of PR problem.

****** lacks the ability to fight the shutdown in court. Mind you, if his case wasn't completely bankrupt of legal merit, he would be able to find legal help without paying. Nevertheless, to anyone with an understanding of copyright law and recent supreme court decisions, the case is obvious.

The attempt to put Kevin Rose in the same league as the RIAA is an obvious smear.

[popltree2]

The actual logic behind it was that my fiancé at the time was upset about me spending so much time on this web site writing code etc., and it made her boil that I was paying for everything also.

Dude needs to find a new girlfriend. What kind of excuse is "my girlfriend made me."?

[masherscf]

Dude needs to find a new girlfriend. What kind of excuse is "my girlfriend made me."?

That was a little lame. But then again, fiance's are lame. It's like they think you're married already.

Translation guide:

You spend to much time online.= You don't spend enough time with me.

You spend to much money online.= You don;t spend enough money on me.

[logant]

I think Wired is borderline obsessed...scratch that, is obsessed with Kevin Rose and his ventures.

[sidtoner]

i guess i'm still confused about there part where it's illegal to redistribute things released under the creative commons license. if they don't want people distributing it then release it under standard copyrights that are used for cds movies etc...

[phatlip12]

Wait, isn't Striker 19? If so, I think the problem lies in why he has a fiancée to begin with...

[logant]

i guess i'm still confused about there part where it's illegal to redistribute things released under the creative commons license. if they don't want people distributing it then release it under standard copyrights that are used for cds movies etc...

Do you realize that there are different forms of Creative Commons license?

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/

[comhcinc]

i guess i'm still confused about there part where it's illegal to redistribute things released under the creative commons license. if they don't want people distributing it then release it under standard copyrights that are used for cds movies etc...

creative commons doesn't replace copyright, it just allows for a controled distribute without having to request direct permission from the copyright holder. if the copyright holder ask you not to distribute though you still have to comply with their wishes.

[samureye]

This thread (http://blog.wired.com/business/2007/07/revision3-updat.html) is mentioned on the blog now.

[xibalba]

That guy is obsessed with businesses Kevin is involved in. Damn he needs a life and start reporting on something that is valid and not a useless arguement Beating a Dead Horse as they say. :D

[mrpopular]

Wow, Wired just lost a fan. (me) Striker did the exact opposite of help Rev3.

[phatlip12]

This guy is a joke. It's sad when a journalists lacks the drive to do some real investigating as opposed to quoting users on a web forum. I can already see what Adario Strange's next story is going to look like:

News Flash! Sexyman104 Of Revision3 States " nOOB Revision3 pwnd by Wire...1337 haxOr"

Instead of "reporting" on things users state on a web forum how about attempting to do some real journalism? Try to interview someone from Revision3, talk to an attorney on the legality of the issue. Wired is so bias it makes Fox News blush.

[phatlip12]

Here he goes again with the Kevin Rose stalking...

http://blog.wired.com/business/2007/07/harry-potter-an.html

Seriously, this guy has issues.

Edit

LMAO! hahaha

Look at his disclosure in the story "*Disclosure: Reddit, a news aggregation site, is owned by CondéNet, the parent company of Wired News."

[phatlip12]

Check out my comment on the story:

Mr. Strange, please seek help. You have an unhealthy obsession with Kevin Rose and his companies. This has to be the 6th or 7th negative story you've done on the guy or one of his companies. Give it a break already. You make some of the internet's worse fanboys blush.

[chuckles]

Definitely not renewing my subscription... that is for sure...

-chuckles-

[tokenuser]

Definitely not renewing my subscription... that is for sure...

-chuckles-Its still a great magazine, but like most "new media" that adopts blogs for its daily content, the online content is not a patch on the "real" journalism. You would honestly think that a media organisation would have some journalistic integrity. Article like this just exemplify that because you write a blog, you aren't necessarily a journalist.

[jlouderb]

hey, it's Jim Louderback, new CEO (yeah, it's really me, not some troll).

Adario, and some of the other folks at wired are big fans of Revision3. From where I sit, that's a really good thing.

So they challenge us. So they aren't 100% getting it right. So what. They care as much about Revision3 as many other folks on this forum, and frankly (and maybe it's my background as journalist), I think that's a good thing.

All this kerfluffle is going to make us better. Frankly, I'm really happy that some of the most influential bloggers at Wired actually really like what we're doing, and feel empowered to ***** when they think we're doing something stupid.

We're not always going to agree. And we're not always going to get it right the first time. But I'd rather have folks in the press (and elsewhere) who like what we do, and feel comfortable enough to call us out, than those who think we're hopeless. We'll always try to do the right thing, but we're not perfect. Our fans (you, wired, etc) keep us honest. And that's a good thing.

A healthy community accepts lots of different viewpoints. I say "bring 'em on!"

We'll try to do what's right for everyone. But I'd rather have a zillion vocal fans who want to expound on how they think we can be better than a bunch of shrinking violets.

jim

[phatlip12]

hey, it's Jim Louderback, new CEO (yeah, it's really me, not some troll).

Adario, and some of the other folks at wired are big fans of Revision3. From where I sit, that's a really good thing.

So they challenge us. So they aren't 100% getting it right. So what. They care as much about Revision3 as many other folks on this forum, and frankly (and maybe it's my background as journalist), I think that's a good thing.

All this kerfluffle is going to make us better. Frankly, I'm really happy that some of the most influential bloggers at Wired actually really like what we're doing, and feel empowered to ***** when they think we're doing something stupid.

We're not always going to agree. And we're not always going to get it right the first time. But I'd rather have folks in the press (and elsewhere) who like what we do, and feel comfortable enough to call us out, than those who think we're hopeless. We'll always try to do the right thing, but we're not perfect. Our fans (you, wired, etc) keep us honest. And that's a good thing.

A healthy community accepts lots of different viewpoints. I say "bring 'em on!"

We'll try to do what's right for everyone. But I'd rather have a zillion vocal fans who want to expound on how they think we can be better than a bunch of shrinking violets.

jim

For starters, welcome to the forums Jim. I read the interview you conducted with Wired and it sounds like you have some great things planned for Revision3. I'm sure you have many other great things planned and wish you the best of luck with the new position.

I understand what your saying, however the thing that bugged me the most was the way Wired covered this story up until they talked to you. It's one thing to get the "viewers" opinion, but up until an interview was conducted with you Wired's coverage seemed to be very bias and was based off of very little fact. Granted, it's a blog (gossip central) but to cover a story based on things "joe schmo" says on a message board is something a blog for a major news site should almost never amount to. I do give them credit for finally contacting you and furthermore, give props to you for taking the time to answer his questions.

Anyways, welcome to Revisoin3 and the forums! :)

[masherscf]

hey, it's Jim Louderback, new CEO (yeah, it's really me, not some troll).
All this kerfluffle is going to make us better.

jim

I think that Jim gets the "golden-newbie" award for using the word "kerfluffle" in his first post.

Welcome. Good luck with your new situation.

Go Cats!

[logant]

Jim Louderback should start calling himself Jim Louder B.