MGS4 - Metal Gear Solid 4

[books]

How the heck did you guys [TRS crew] not chat up about it? I know you guys will continue discussion next week, but MGS4 is the title that is swaying me towards a PS3.

The graphics looked good (not amazing, but good) and the gameplay/story looked topnotch.

What did you guys think?

[filch]

I've played each one and completed them starting from the first one on the NES. This will be a PS3 machine buy for me for this game alone.

[catavarie]

I think we will see another trailer at E3 next year. Konami deffinately seems to be taking their sweet time with MGS4.

[ramshaw]

I think we will see another trailer at E3 next year. Konami deffinately seems to be taking their sweet time with MGS4.

Doubt it when Kojima says a date he usual means it. They will be working overtime now till early 2008 since they missed their original fall 07 date.

I'm really looking forward to MGS 4. Last game in the series I played all the way through was Sons of Liberty. I hated 3 too cut scene heavy even for an MGS game I thought especially in the opening couple of hours, hopefully this one will be a return to form.

[darksyns]

It's long but I thought I'd post this since there isn't a video for it yet. It's from Gamespot. Here's the link http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/adventure/metalgearsolid4/news.html?sid=6175206&tag=topslot;title;1&om_act=convert&om_clk=topslot

TOKYO--At Sony Computer Entertainment's PlayStation Premiere 2007 press conference in the massive Roppongi Hills complex today, most in attendance were expecting to see reruns of trailers shown at the E3 Media and Business Summit. So they were taken by surprise during Konami's presentation, when director Hideo Kojima gave the first-ever Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots gameplay demonstration.

The demo, which lasted a full 20 minutes, began in the same unnamed Middle Eastern locale as previous MGS4 game trailers. Snake started out on the second floor of a ruined building. Looking down, he saw tons of rubble from the remnants of buildings obliterated by warfare. The landscape was particularly detailed, with walls broken into various shapes and surrounding buildings uniquely damaged. When Snake zoomed in on the walls using a scope named Solid Eye (after the 3D glasses from Metal Gear Acid 2), they showed a high level of detail with little or no pixelation up close.

While previous installments in the MGS series had Snake infiltrating areas that were guarded by a single superpower or army, the situation is vastly different in MGS4. The demo shows two different factions--professional PMC (Private Military Company) mercenaries, and civilian guerrillas, who were losing because they were less experienced. The demo started out quietly, with both sides just patrolling. By the end, though, there were explosions all over the place.

During the demo, Kojima had Snake side with the civilian army to help take out the PMC soldiers. Given that the PMC soldiers were wearing beige camouflage, it was difficult to spot them in the sandy fields and grayish walls. Kojima had Snake switch to thermal goggles to detect them, and then return to the normal scope to zoom in.

Hopping down the building from where Snake started, the aged soldier approached a set of familiar bronze statues last seen in the Tokyo Game Show trailer. Here, Kojima went to the menu screen and selected the active camouflage option, where players can access disguises for Snake's face and body. Snake normally wears an all-purpose "Octo-Cam" camouflage suit, which lets him blend into his surroundings. However, apparently there are other selectable camouflage patterns in the game, one of which is called the "Statue-Cam." Kojima selected the Statue-Cam and an appropriate face mask, and--voila!--Snake's camouflage suit displayed a bronze finish. The PMC soldiers then walked by, mistaking the grizzled commando for a statue.

Kojima then showed off how the Octo-Cam camouflage will help Snake blend into his surroundings--semiautomatically. Whenever Snake performs an action, like hugging a wall or hitting the floor, the suit automatically changes its pattern to match that of the surface Snake is touching. Kojima demonstrated this action by having Snake evade a PMC soldier by lying in wait on the ground and blending in with the tiles of a nearby building. Snake then stood up and dashed to the shadows by a wall, waiting for the soldier to walk past. Then, he took the soldier from behind by using close-quarter combat, which made the soldier drop his gun--a new element in MGS4. Snake finally wrestled the soldier down, choking him until he was knocked out.

Kojima revealed that Snake can take his enemy's weapons in MGS4, and CQC isn't the only way to get them--holdups can also be effective. When Snake put a gun against an unaware soldier, the grunt raised both of his hands in the air, dropping his weapon to the ground and shivering. The holdup in MGS4 looks a lot more realistic than in the previous games. While keeping his gun pointed at the enemy, Snake used his other hand to frisk for items all over the soldier's body. He also seems to have gained a new move that involves delivering a death grip to an enemy's crotch, rendering that person unconscious in an instant.

After taking out two soldiers (one through CQC and the other by holdup and grabbing his nether regions), Snake spotted a huge hole in the wall that was big enough for him to fit though. However, he then noticed PMC soldiers in other abandoned buildings that could easily spot Snake and shoot him down. Kojima had Snake switch to his Mosin Nagant stun rifle to take them out. This was done by way of the same sniper view the rifle had in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater.

Snake then made his way down the building onto the ground and took out another PMC soldier, this time using a stun knife that can discharge electricity. Kojima showed how the knife can be used to just zap the enemy and knock them unconscious, though it can also be used for fatal slashing as well.

Seeing that yet another PMC soldier was nearby, Kojima showed off Snake's new prop--the oil barrel. The oil barrel in MGS4 has as much a camouflage effect as the series' traditional cardboard box, except it's a bit more resistant to bullet shots because it's made of metal. Unfortunately, it didn't seem as stealthy, because we heard Snake's knees banging into it as he walked. Kojima showed that the barrel could also be an effective weapon when Snake rolls on the ground inside it, attacking any soldiers in his path. Naturally, though, Snake was dizzy once he got back up, and we saw him throwing up.

Kojima went on to confirm that gamers would be able to play through the whole game in a first-person view, and showed how the Sixaxis' motion-sensing can be used to duck and peek around corners.

Snake then went into a nearby building and talked to his friend Otacon via his Metal Gear MKII robot, re-creating part of the first MGS4 trailer. Eventually a battle between PMC and guerrilla forces erupted outdoors. The PMC soldiers were obviously getting the upper hand, as they had more firepower and cutting-edge technology on their side, including flying biomechanical creatures that would drop bombs.

To help fight off one of the PMC soldiers, Kojima showed Snake's new best friend, the Metal Gear MKII. By selecting MKII from the item inventory, the player can take control of it and move around in either first- or third-person view. (Snake is seen crouching on the ground with his hands on the MKII's remote controller--which is an exact replica of a Sixaxis gamepad.) And while the stealthy MKII may seem small and harmless, it can knock out enemies with a powerful knock of electricity.

Turning back to Snake, Kojima showed that the protagonist can throw grenades backward like in the previous trailer. The grenade's trajectory is shown onscreen, Gears of War-style, as Snake is preparing to throw his grenade.

As the demo neared its end, Kojima showed off some more weapons that can be used in Guns of the Patriots. He used an RPG-7 to explode a tank, an AK-102 rifle to shoot some enemies on the roof, and a P90 to take out remaining soldiers on the ground.

Kojima pointed out that while he had been attacking PMC soldiers and helping out the civilian guerrillas in the demo, it's really up to the player to decide which side to be on--or to not side with either of them.

Overall, Guns of the Patriots defaults to the same kind of third-person view as previous MGS installments. The basic interface has been kept intact as well, with the item itinerary on the bottom left side of the screen and the weapons itinerary on the bottom right.

One addition to the heads-up display that wasn't in previous installments was a semitransparent, illustrated icon on the bottom of the screen that appeared whenever Snake was near an object that he could interact with, such as a wall, an unconscious enemy, or a ledge. Another such object was a dumpster in an alley, which Snake hid in until enemy soldiers cleared out. But since it's full of garbage, Kojima noted that Snake would start to smell if he stayed inside the dumpster too long, making himself more obvious to enemies. As he came out of hiding, Snake was surrounded by a swarm of buzzing flies, though shaking the Sixaxis controller seemed to swat them away.
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I can't wait for the video of this. God damn I want a PS3.

[catavarie]

I miss the days of E3 when you'd see a game being shown and you would have it in your hands before the next E3. I can only get so excited about something that is 2 years out when it is shown. :confused:

[monkeynetman]

I remember watching a footage where Kojima said that this will be his last Metal Gear Solid game.

[magunwarrior]

That was at the Sony Press Conference.

And Kojima usually sticks to what he says.

[godmode]

How the heck did you guys [TRS crew] not chat up about it? I know you guys will continue discussion next week, but MGS4 is the title that is swaying me towards a PS3.

The graphics looked good (not amazing, but good) and the gameplay/story looked topnotch.

What did you guys think?

I think it looked good, very good. But then again MGS has always been known for beautiful(and insanely long) cutscenes. There has been no actual gameplay shown so far, so I will hold my judgement until then.

[dark_shroud]

I have already reserved a copy through my local gamestop.

[wideawakewesley]

Holy crap, MGS4 has some 90 minute long cut scenes, that's ridiculous. It would actually put me off buying the game.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=189543

Wes

[jasonpoon]

I think it means 90min in total, right?
That will be fine considering how many locations, characters, story will be covered in the final chapter of Solid Snake legend.
The cinematography of MGS is always great, as long as these cut-scenes are great, the duration is not a problem.
I understand many people believe a game shouldn't have that much time just let players sit back and watch, but sometimes it's a compromise when you have such a great story and have to express in such a cinematic way.

There's just no reason for a PS3 owner not to buy the game (yeah I'm a fanboy...:D)

[wideawakewesley]

They seem pretty clear it means 90 minutes individual cut scenes (plural), not total time of all cut scenes. Apparently a previous iteration had a scene that was close to 45 minutes. Perhaps it's a translation issue, but if there is a single cut scene in this game (that's not at the end) and is 90 minutes long, no way I would buy it.

Wes

[jasonpoon]

But if there's a single cut-scene that last 90min long, the media who went to Japan to play the almost-finish version should mention that in their preview. Though I'm a fanboy, it's still ridiculous. So the media must have mentioned that in the preview if it's true.

If 90 minutes in total, it will be less than I expect...hope more gaming websites can follow up the news.

[njshadow]

I really don't mind. The story is often so awesome that I enjoy every minute of the cut scenes. It really is going to look amazing and I've already watched the "Raiden vs. Vamp" trailer like 10 times so a 90-minute cut scene shouldn't be TOO bad. :D

[njshadow]

But if there's a single cut-scene that last 90min long, the media who went to Japan to play the almost-finish version should mention that in their preview. Though I'm a fanboy, it's still ridiculous. So the media must have mentioned that in the preview if it's true.

If 90 minutes in total, it will be less than I expect...hope more gaming websites can follow up the news.

I heard it from PSU.com as well.

ARTICLE ------> http://www.psu.com/MGS4-features-90-minute-cut-scenes-News--a0003758-p0.php

[njshadow]

According to the latest issue of PlayStation World magazine, Konami’s upcoming Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots will feature cut scenes that run up to 90 minutes in length.

Although such lengthy cinematics have become virtually synonymous with the popular stealth franchise over the years, MGS4 is set to feature by far the longest of any story sequences in the series to date.

However, the publication does reveal that players will be able to pause or skip any cut scene in the game if they wish. The article goes on to describe the game’s story as “massive”, labelling it “The videogame equivalent of all three Godfather movies on one disc.”

“As you'd expect, you'll spend a lot of time watching cut-scenes, so if you found previous games' story exposition laborious, then you'd better find yourself a nice cushion and plenty of teabags in readiness for MGS4's,” it states.

"They can be skipped, but you'll be missing out on some of the finally crafted examples of FMV footage anywhere in gaming.”


There it is. But what the heck, I love MGS and have the limited edition reserved. :D

[forthekids85]

Joystiq is saying the same thing as well. (http://www.joystiq.com/2008/05/23/breaking-metal-gear-solid-4-to-have-really-long-cutscenes/)

Honestly, this is one of the reasons I bought a 360 this time around. I was a PSX owner and a PS2 owner before. I enjoyed the original Metal Gear Solid and enjoyed the GAMEPLAY of MGS2. However, the horrendous cutscenes in Sons of Liberty completely took me out of the game. I remember eating my lunch and simply watching my videogame. For half an hour or more.

I was eventually talked into playing MGS3, but couldn't even get into the game.

I completely understand why people love the series, as the gameplay is really quite fun. It's the superfluous stuff that really turns me off. But seriously? A 90 minute cutscene? I think that really shows a lack of creative thinking on the design team's part. If your job is to make videogames, you should be able to create new and inventive ways for the player to experience that material in the game.

Hopefully it was just a result of miscommunication between the developers and the press. I find it hard to believe that anyone could've signed off on a cutscene that rivals the running length of a full motion picture.

EDIT: Just saw NJShadow's post above me..

"They can be skipped, but you'll be missing out on some of the finally crafted examples of FMV footage anywhere in gaming.”

This really annoys me. A game shouldn't be FMV footage. It should be a game. If you can't make a game, then just make a movie.

[dolson]

I'm not a Metal Gear fan, but I just don't understand what the problem with this is.

It's the last game in the series (the end of Snake, that is), and fans won't want it to end. If Nintendo had put 90-minute cutscenes into Metroid Prime 3, the final installment in their best franchise, I would have eaten it up and asked for second helpings.

Seems like another excuse to not buy a PS3 or to bash it, if you ask me. Really, it's fan service, and Snake is going out with a bang. If I were a fan, I'd be happy to get a movie or two included in my game, like a perfect parting gift.

[wideawakewesley]

I'm not a Metal Gear fan, but I just don't understand what the problem with this is.

It's the last game in the series (the end of Snake, that is), and fans won't want it to end. If Nintendo had put 90-minute cutscenes into Metroid Prime 3, the final installment in their best franchise, I would have eaten it up and asked for second helpings.

Seems like another excuse to not buy a PS3 or to bash it, if you ask me. Really, it's fan service, and Snake is going out with a bang. If I were a fan, I'd be happy to get a movie or two included in my game, like a perfect parting gift.

It's great for the fans, but for someone like me, for whom this would be the first MGS game. I'm coming to play. The story in a game is great and I want to experience it all, but I don't have 90 minutes of my life to waste on a cutscene, I want to experience the story through the game.

Wes

[dolson]

Just skip it, then.

It's not like the story in MGS is comprehendible anyhow. lol

[enemybrick]

I don't know if I want to tackle this game or not. I hate snake, he grates on my nerves and is, in my mind, a terrible stereotypical character with an annoying, semi-gritty voice. Im a much bigger fan of Raiden, who will be in this game, so, Im still trying to figure out if its worth it or not.

[az0madman]

The total of MGS3's cutscenes go on for about five hours total, it's insane. I actually watched them all together over the span of two days.

I'm fine with the lengthy cutscenes of MGS because I always enjoyed the story of it all. It's actually not the gameplay that keeps me coming back to the series but the cinematic nature of the game. Although that 90 minute cutscene might be overdoing it. Of course, that's not going to turn me off of the game, but I'm just wondering what's so important that they need to show 90 minutes worth of story at once.

@enemybrick: To be fair, Snake was one of the first of his kind, in video games.

[jasonpoon]

I don't know if I want to tackle this game or not. I hate snake, he grates on my nerves and is, in my mind, a terrible stereotypical character with an annoying, semi-gritty voice. Im a much bigger fan of Raiden, who will be in this game, so, Im still trying to figure out if its worth it or not.

You like Raiden since MGS2 or after the trailer of Ninja Raiden killed a dozen of Metal Gear Gekko with a samurai sword?:D Although Raiden may not be a playable character and probably he gonna die in the game (according to the Metal Gear Ninja Theory), it's worth to see how he's gonna do those awesome ninja moves (I think we gonna see more Raiden's story in the game than the trailer).

[enemybrick]

The total of MGS3's cutscenes go on for about five hours total, it's insane. I actually watched them all together over the span of two days.

I'm fine with the lengthy cutscenes of MGS because I always enjoyed the story of it all. It's actually not the gameplay that keeps me coming back to the series but the cinematic nature of the game. Although that 90 minute cutscene might be overdoing it. Of course, that's not going to turn me off of the game, but I'm just wondering what's so important that they need to show 90 minutes worth of story at once.

@enemybrick: To be fair, Snake was one of the first of his kind, in video games.

dude, Im right there with you, I was a huge fan of Snake after #1, and i thought they did the correct thing in giving him the backseat in #2, but its a classic example of fanboys killing my interest in something. The same sort of situation happened with FF7. I know Im supposed to be able to sit back, and enjoy something on my own, but one can only take so much blind fan service and bad spinoffs.

[damnedeyez]

Well, I'd hope the cut scene is replayable or pausable. Nothing like spending a couple hours playing and winding up having to sit there through 90 minutes you can't pause. (Maybe a 'go get a refill and press X to start the cutscene' or such.)

Admittedly, I still havent' played any Metal Gear games (Have the 2-disc MGS3 on rent and plan on playing the original two from the second disc), but things like that make me weary about even starting any. Besides, if they're saying it's skippable, does that mean it's not relevant enough tot he story?

[enemybrick]

You like Raiden since MGS2 or after the trailer of Ninja Raiden killed a dozen of Metal Gear Gekko with a samurai sword?:D Although Raiden may not be a playable character and probably he gonna die in the game (according to the Metal Gear Ninja Theory), it's worth to see how he's gonna do those awesome ninja moves (I think we gonna see more Raiden's story in the game than the trailer).

Liked Raiden since MGS2, I hate cliche's in all their forms, so a samurai sword did nothing for me, his existence in 4 though, has me very interested.

[njshadow]

It turns out this whole 90 minute cut scene this is 100% FALSE.

Update: The reviewer for GamePro who has played through MGS4 has left this comment about the 90 minute rumor.

"I've beat the game twice, and am the author of the forthcoming [GamePro] review," Shuman said. "Ninety-minute-long cinemas in MGS4 sounds like an exaggeration. Like the other MGS games, MGS4 definitely has a cinematic quality. And yes, some of the cut-scenes in the game are elaborate and occasionally lengthy. But not a one, to my recollection, even approaches 90 minutes."

News via http://www.psu.com

[darksyns]

It turns out this whole 90 minute cut scene this is 100% FALSE.



News via http://www.psu.com


Thanks for that NJShadow.....

Now for everyone who shit a brick over this whole fiasco...Please for the love of God stack those bricks up so Snake will have some freaking cover.

[njshadow]

Now for everyone who shit a brick over this whole fiasco...Please for the love of God stack those bricks up so Snake will have some freaking cover.

BEST..........COMMENT.............EVER :D:D

[spartacus]

I heard it from PSU.com as well.

ARTICLE ------> http://www.psu.com/MGS4-features-90-minute-cut-scenes-News--a0003758-p0.php

theres an update on the page, no 90 min cutscenes well thats what the page says

[njshadow]

theres an update on the page, no 90 min cutscenes well thats what the page says

Ha ha, if you look, oh, 3 posts back I stated that it was false. Yeah, I saw the update. No 90 min. long cut scenes. :)

[spartacus]

Ha ha, if you look, oh, 3 posts back I stated that it was false. Yeah, I saw the update. No 90 min. long cut scenes. :)

haha woops my bad sry i didn't even think to keep lookin at other post but that is good there no long cut scenes :D cause that would kill the experience

[jasonpoon]

Metal Gear Retrospective
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/33740.html

Let's review the Snake's legend before MGS4

[njshadow]

haha woops my bad sry i didn't even think to keep lookin at other post but that is good there no long cut scenes :D cause that would kill the experience


No prob. Ha ha, what you GOTTA do is look at Darksyns post aster I said it was false. Hilarious! :D

[spartacus]

Metal Gear Retrospective
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/33740.html

Let's review the Snake's legend before MGS4

this is really entertaining

[jasonpoon]

I didn't own a GameCube, but I can play GC game on Wii.
Should I go get a copy of MGS Twin Snakes?
I know it's the original MGS remake with better graphic and MGS2 gameplay element. However I heard that the new cut-scenes overuse bullet-time effect and ruin the MGS feeling...

[az0madman]

The cutscenes do ruin the game for me (that and the absence of Mei Ling's accent :( ). It's just too over the top. Back flipping Snake, lots of bullet time, Ocelot having to spin his revolver around for 10 seconds right in the middle of saying Revolver Ocelot. Though, I did learn that apparently Hideo wanted them to mix up the cutscenes and make it more original instead of copying exactly what the first one did, so I don't blame the developers for ruining the game (for me at least).

As a game, it's good, but it can be ridiculously easy. Fighting Ocelot with first-person mode makes for little challenge. That's actually as far as I got. Never felt like finishing it up, though it's on my to do list.

I wouldn't recommend it. It felt to me that I was playing the game I loved, but someone was poking me with a stick repeatedly while I was doing it. Just wasn't the same.

[az0madman]

IGN UK's review is out:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/877/877611p1.html

Not reading it just quite yet because I'm thinking I want to go into the game spoiler free, but from the score, it looks good. 9.9, no 10 like GTA4, but points seem to be from the lasting appeal, which GTA has a ton of.

[wideawakewesley]

Eurogamer gives it 8/10:

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=143797&page=1

And it sounds like the huge cut-scene is at the end of the game.

An unbelievably lengthy and self-indulgent epilogue - you can't call it a cut-scene, it's an entire film in its own right, and a deeply boring one too - is how Solid Snake's career comes to a close

And from the IGN UK review regarding cut-scenes:

One of those things that Konami doesn't want us to talk about is the 'total length of cut-scenes'. Hopefully it won't be bending the rules to far to reveal that they represent about half of the content of the game. That, for some people, will be too much to bear. But in many ways it's a vindication of Kojima's unique interpretation of the videogame medium.

...

The cut-scenes – well, yes, you could argue that there are too many of them, that they're too long, and that the dialogue is occasionally leaden. Indeed many of the most dramatic cut-scenes might make you crave action, or wonder why they couldn't have been turned into interactive sequences. But that's because they're the work of an auteur, and if you're going to enjoy the high points of Hideo Kojima's vision, there has to be an acceptance of his excesses, too.

Here's the conclusion of the Eurogamer review:

You're sorry to see Snake go. But should you be? Guns of the Patriots is a frustrating, fractured game that turns Metal Gear Solid's world upside down several times over, but never changes it. It just burrows deeper into what fans love and detractors hate than ever before, and it will make few converts. It's a crying shame, given how many genuinely classic gaming moments there are here, given the countless exquisite creative touches, but Metal Gear Solid 4 is its own worst enemy. You could not ask for a funnier, cleverer, more ambitious or inspired or over-the-top conclusion to the Metal Gear Solid series, but it's definitely time to move on.

[scoobydiesel]

Even if i dont like MGS i might have to pick it up still for the owning factor...

[wideawakewesley]

Even if i dont like MGS i might have to pick it up still for the owning factor...

You mean the Sony just 0wned my wallet factor

[njshadow]

IGN UK's review is out:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/877/877611p1.html

Not reading it just quite yet because I'm thinking I want to go into the game spoiler free, but from the score, it looks good. 9.9, no 10 like GTA4, but points seem to be from the lasting appeal, which GTA has a ton of.

If anyone wants to see the score straight from the forums......


[10] Presentation
From the opening videos to the end credits, the attention to detail throughout Guns of the Patriots is astonishing, setting new standards for production values in games.

[10] Graphics
The visuals in MGS 4 are as cutting-edge as you can rightfully expect from the latest videogame blockbuster, boasting as much style as technical expertise.

[10] Sound
The surround sound effects are stunning, having actual in-game effects, from using birdsong to detect enemies to choosing your own tunes.

[10] Gameplay
Guns of the Patriots is the definitive MGS, taking stealth mechanics to new heights and throwing in so much more that you just have to discover it for yourself.

[9.5] Lasting Appeal
Aside from the fact that the cut-scenes bear repeated viewing, you’ll want to play through MGS 4 again and again, simply to unlock ever more exotic weapons, items and player rankings.

[9.9]
OVERALL - Incredible

[dolson]

HOLY HUGE ASS FONT, BATMAN!

And uh, I guess they're not counting Metal Gear Online for that last 0.5 point for lasting appeal? They had to give it 0.1 less?

MGS4 = PHAIL compared to GTAIV - confirmed!

[fashiondr]

HOLY HUGE ASS FONT, BATMAN!

And uh, I guess they're not counting Metal Gear Online for that last 0.5 point for lasting appeal? They had to give it 0.1 less?

MGS4 = PHAIL compared to GTAIV - confirmed!

They seem to be considering MGO as a separate game, even though it ships on the same disc and is set in the same universe.

Oh well, I guess as long as MGO gets a score higher than 0.1 the package as a whole will be better than GTA4.

[wideawakewesley]

Eurogamer 8/10

Just to give a little balance

;)

[dolson]

Eurogamer 8/10

Just to give a little balance

;)

OMG 8.0 WHAT A TERRIBLE SCORE

[wideawakewesley]

OMG 8.0 WHAT A TERRIBLE SCORE

If every review site gave it an 8.0, would you rush out and buy it or would you be more hesitant? Consider it while looking at the games that have average scores of 8.0 on metacritic.

I'm by no means saying it's a bad score or a bad game, but someone has to bring balance to the force otherwise Darth NJShadow will rule the universe with you at his side.

;)

Wes

[dolson]

I'm not even buying it at all, so.. I don't really care what the score is.

[dolson]

Apparently it's out early, since someone on my buddy list is playing it right now:

http://www.rivironline.com/misc/mgs4early.jpg

[jasonpoon]

Got my copy of the Japanese version Limited Edition (with a special Blu-ray video disc and nice box)
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/kit_0617/MGS4LE.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/kit_0617/MGS4LE2.jpg

poor photo quality, taken by my old iSight camera:p

[damnedeyez]

I'm so excited

...and you couldn't hide it?

[tamtamg]

just to let you guys know, if you are planing on getting the MGS4 bundle, buy it at walmart cause you will get a $100 gift certificate as well. (http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/11/wal-mart-corporate-confirms-100-ps3-gift-card-yes-even-mgs/)

[dolson]

So my plan is to go to WalMart tonight and buy two copies.

I will open one and try it out. If I like it, I keep it. If I don't, I return the unopened copy and give the opened copy to my friend who said it was cool if I try it, and won't be able to make a midnight launch. So it's a win-win situation, and I may end up with a game I otherwise wasn't planning to get.

I hope this turns out better than my GTA4 experience.

[stubadub]

I hope this turns out better than my GTA4 experience.

What was your GTAIV experience?

[dolson]

What was your GTAIV experience?

In short: Didn't really like it. Got boring really quickly. Over-hyped. Not deserving of so many perfect scores. Too much attention to little details and the overall details, but lacking in the middle - the actual gameplay itself. Not my thing.

[njshadow]

In short: Didn't really like it. Got boring really quickly. Over-hyped. Not deserving of so many perfect scores. Too much attention to little details and the overall details, but lacking in the middle - the actual gameplay itself. Not my thing.

I agree. It's fun, but nowhere near what I was expecting. That game should have NEVER received a 10.

Anyway, back on topic. Are you guys suped or what!?!?!?!?!? The Gamestop I reserved the LM MGS4 at isn't doing the midnight release but I can still say that in less than 12 hours I'm gonna have my copy!!! I CAN'T FREAKIN' WAIT!!!!! :D:D:D:D

[az0madman]

Won't get my copy till Friday, pay day. :( Sad, but oh well, gives my Dualshock 3 time to arrive at my house before I play it. People are already streaming the game at justin.tv making it a pain in the ass to not watch, but I've held strong.

[dolson]

I am going to cuss a lot. Sorry in advance.

Fucking WalMart... I called them at 11:30pm, "are you guys selling the Metal Gear Solid 4 game for PS3 tonight?" "Yes, at 12:01am" "OK, great." So I get there and right at 12:00 they roll out the cart with the boxes... Four boxes. Two fucking items per box. "Oh we only have the $500 fucking bundles, is this what you wanted?" Fucking assholes. I called and asked if they were selling the game, not the fucking bundle. They're the only store here that is open at midnight too - I was in Blockbuster at 11:15pm and I asked them if they had MGS4, and they're like "we got it in but we don't do midnight launches cuz we're fucking douches! Come back at 10am tomorrow!" So now I can't fucking play it because I have to leave town in the morning. Fucking fuckers. I'm going to rent it later on, since it's short anyhow and I didn't like the online beta. Oh well, WalMart lost a sale. I was looking forward to trying it out, too. Fuckers.

[stubadub]

I went, picked up my limited edition copy from Gamestop, brought it home, put it in, and encountered the mandatory install. It said it would only be 8 minutes, but I passed out during that time. Now I'll have to wait until I get off of work to try it out. Damn you sleep!

[ptzen]

Arrived home and had my copy in my mailbox. Im glad i ordered it online from UK since the release has been delayed in Portugal due to a transport strike.
The mandatory install didnt really bother me but then again, neither do the ones on the other games. The only problem i have with it is that my PS3 hard drive is almost full and i will have to buy a bigger one. Other than that its fine with me.

[wideawakewesley]

Arrived home and had my copy in my mailbox. Im glad i ordered it online from UK since the release has been delayed in Portugal due to a transport strike.
The mandatory install didnt really bother me but then again, neither do the ones on the other games. The only problem i have with it is that my PS3 hard drive is almost full and i will have to buy a bigger one. Other than that its fine with me.

Hmm, an interesting side-effect of mandatory installs that I hadn't considered. Looks like the PS3 is going to suffer like the Wii does.

Hope everyone's enjoying the game.

:)

Wes

p.s. And no I wasn't being sarcastic

[shegs]

so I am never shopping with walmart online again... so I was declined by my credit card, because I am out of the country... so I fixed that and walmart put a hold on my funds instead of finishing the order, and it will take up to 3 days to resolve!!
... woosaa... woosaa... woosaa...
these bundles better not be sold out by then, no chance in hell I will try another card just to have them do it to that one too.

anyone know any other place to get the 80 gig bundle? they are "sold out" on newegg.com and sonystyle.com. amazon just has the "new and used" for upwards of 700 bucks...

[jasonpoon]

Anyone go to EXTRA and download the song and camouflage? Are these the launch day surprise?

[inertianinja]

someone please acknowledge that i'm not crazy here.

does anyone else feel a little weird at the concept of looking up snake's ass all the time?

i've been looking at gameplay videos and i just don't understand why he has to (a) have a wedgie and (b) the camera is aimed squarely up his ass.

is it "not that bad" in the game?

[stubadub]

does anyone else feel a little weird at the concept of looking up snake's ass all the time?

i've been looking at gameplay videos and i just don't understand why he has to (a) have a wedgie and (b) the camera is aimed squarely up his ass.

is it "not that bad" in the game?

To be fair, it's a nice ass for an old man.

[ptzen]

Hmm, an interesting side-effect of mandatory installs that I hadn't considered. Looks like the PS3 is going to suffer like the Wii does.

Yes, its my only complain so far with my PS3. I bought the 40Gb model (once again... cant get anything else in Portugal...) and it really isnt enough when you have MGS4, DMC4, GT5:P, GTA4 and Assassins Creed. With only these 5 games my hard drive space is almost null. Good thing you can get cheap hard drives!

Anyone go to EXTRA and download the song and camouflage? Are these the launch day surprise?

Oh! Will do that sir.

[njshadow]

I picked up my copy today and was the very first person standing outside of Gamestop when they opened. As I was leaving the guy said "Take some gamer fuel if you want (Free Mountain Dew), take as many as you want, I've already gone through like 2 liters playing." :D

I'm absolutely loving the game so far. I just got done my conversation with Drebin and am taking a short break. :cool:

[shegs]

GAAAAAH!
now walmart is sold out online... god damn stupid walmart and "locking" my money but not giving me a product... WTH!?!
does anyone have some magic retailer that has a bundle left? I am not really looking to get the 40gig gun metal grey but at least konami still has those

[shegs]

alright... all my woosaa's worked! i got the bundle from bestbuy.com and even got a bestbuy card to boot!
sigh... 2 weeks baby and I can play!

[kaytwo]

Just got into Act 3 - and loving it. Graphics are fantastic and the 5.1 mix? Too real. Loved the nod to MGS3 in Act 2 when Drebin mention,"The Fear, The Fury, The Sorrow". Not to mention the ackwardness of Campbell/Raiden/Rose.

[jimm]

I don't believe it was posted elsewhere and I'm dying to know...

What's the install size on MGS4? Somewhere between four and five gigs?

Edit: I Just remembered something. I know it's early on and all, but has anyone ran into the rumored 90 minute movies, er, I mean cut scenes yet? I find the possibility interesting, but I can understand how it could not be someone's cup of tea.

[hellfighter]

There are a ton of copies at my Best Buy. I thought about getting it, but like I've said before, never have been a Metal Gear player, so I have no drive to get besides the awesome looking videos. But I still have lots of GTA IV to work on, so I shrugged it off for sometime later in the summer, surely.

[tamtamg]

ok, my spoiler free review of MGS4:

its like I bought for a really long movie and it's accompanying video game at the same time. After watching a bit of the movie, i play the video game part, and repeat many times till I finish the stroy. I'm not saying it's a bad game. But damn, cut scenes galore!! I can understand why this game barely fits on a 50GB bluray disc.

[dolson]

Hmm, an interesting side-effect of mandatory installs that I hadn't considered. Looks like the PS3 is going to suffer like the Wii does.

Except that the PS3's hard drive can be easily upgraded with any standard, off-the-shelf, notebook SATA drive, whereas I can't expand my Wii's storage capacity beyond the 256MB usable that Nintendo has soldered directly to the motherboard. Yes, it has 512MB but if you look into it, I'm sure you'll find that only half of it is usable, and the other half is reserved for the system (messages and such). On my PS3, it's a minor annoyance, but on my Wii, it's a major hassle, and I'm not buying anymore VC or WiiWare until they come out with a solution. SD cards would be ideal, considering the size of the games and the fact that the slot is built in...

someone please acknowledge that i'm not crazy here.

does anyone else feel a little weird at the concept of looking up snake's ass all the time?

I posted that a long time ago, maybe in this thread, but maybe not... I posted a few pictures and yes, it's pretty disturbing... I remember someone getting mad at me because I used the word "gay" or something... I'm too lazy to search my post history for it though.

I see IGN posted their review. 10 out of 10 - second one this year, kinda weird.

[inertianinja]

all the hype is starting to get me interested.

GTA4 was like this. i was never interested in the game until i read all the reviews and all the controversy...then i tried it out and i love it.

i might try this as soon as i finish GTA...

[damnedeyez]

Except that the PS3's hard drive can be easily upgraded with any standard, off-the-shelf, notebook SATA drive, whereas I can't expand my Wii's storage capacity beyond the 256MB usable that Nintendo has soldered directly to the motherboard. Yes, it has 512MB but if you look into it, I'm sure you'll find that only half of it is usable, and the other half is reserved for the system (messages and such). On my PS3, it's a minor annoyance, but on my Wii, it's a major hassle, and I'm not buying anymore VC or WiiWare until they come out with a solution. SD cards would be ideal, considering the size of the games and the fact that the slot is built in...

Right...one of the first things I did (within the first month, at least) when I got my 60GB was get a bigger drive. Nearly half of it is still available, and that's with most of the demos that have come out in the past 6 months (And downloadable games) still installed. The Wii...I've been meaning to write a letter about not buying any more downloadable games until they let me load the roms/files from the SD card or something.


As far as MGS4...I still haven't gotten too far into the original Metal Gear (and intend to go through both of those and all three Solids before I even conisder renting/buying 4)...so, maybe next generation?

[wideawakewesley]

Except that the PS3's hard drive can be easily upgraded with any standard, off-the-shelf, notebook SATA drive, whereas I can't expand my Wii's storage capacity beyond the 256MB usable that Nintendo has soldered directly to the motherboard. Yes, it has 512MB but if you look into it, I'm sure you'll find that only half of it is usable, and the other half is reserved for the system (messages and such). On my PS3, it's a minor annoyance, but on my Wii, it's a major hassle, and I'm not buying anymore VC or WiiWare until they come out with a solution. SD cards would be ideal, considering the size of the games and the fact that the slot is built in...
.

I might be wrong on this, but you can move anything to the SDCard (which then becomes unplayable until you move it back) and then continue to download new stuff to the internal memory. Which is in effect just what you're doing with the PS3 with hard drives when you have to swap them out (which are way more expensive than SD Cards). It's a pretty similar situation, just on a larger scale.

Seriously though, whether it's 5 PS3 installs or 5 WiiWare/VC installs that's filling up your storage, it's really not good enough.

Wes

[damnedeyez]

I might be wrong on this, but you can move anything to the SDCard (which then becomes unplayable until you move it back) and then continue to download new stuff to the internal memory. Which is in effect just what you're doing with the PS3 with hard drives when you have to swap them out (which are way more expensive than SD Cards). It's a pretty similar situation, just on a larger scale.

Seriously though, whether it's 5 PS3 installs or 5 WiiWare/VC installs that's filling up your storage, it's really not good enough.

Wes

no, SD cards are like floppy disks/cds on a computer, whereas the PS3 harddrive is like upgrading your harddrive on the computer. You still play the things off of the drive, unlike the SD card.


Actually, it might be better to say it'd be like having to copy the contents of a CD game onto your computer before you can play it, then deleting it to and having to copy it again...compared to installing it.

[wideawakewesley]

I realise we can't currently play games from the SD card, but the point I'm making is that after five installs on either system, you have these options:

PS3
1. Delete your installs
2. Buy a new hard drive

Wii
1. Delete your installs
2. Copy to the SD Card

None of those solutions are acceptable in my eyes.

Anyway, I don't want to hijack the thread.

:)

Wes

[siraim]

I was at Target last night with the GF and saw a bunch of MGS4 sitting in the case. I decided to purchase it to see what the hype was all about. i've never played any other MGS games so I wasn't exactly sure what I was getting myself into.

As it turns out.. i'm not sure what to make of this interactive movie. It looks amazing.. sounds amazing.. and feels epic. but.. i'm not sure how I feel about the game.

[jasonpoon]

PS3's HDD and Wii's SD card are different, I can have everything in my PS3's HDD if I buy one with larger capacity but no matter how many GB my SD card has, the Wii can only load from the internal memory unless Nintendo releases an external HDD or let the Wii load from SD card directly. The conclusion, if I buy my PS3 a huge HDD, every problem solved:D

OK, back to the topic. I just bought a PS3 and MGS4 is my first PS3 game, it's freaking awesome. Yea there're many cut-scenes but for a MGS fan they're all enjoyable. (I own a Wii and never really into HD gaming, so even in 720p, the PS3 graphic is stunning for me)

[shegs]

OK, back to the topic. I just bought a PS3 and MGS4 is my first PS3 game, it's freaking awesome. Yea there're many cut-scenes but for a MGS fan they're all enjoyable. (I own a Wii and never really into HD gaming, so even in 720p, the PS3 graphic is stunning for me)

did you get the bundle? if so, where? I ended up getting a best buy card online and they let me use it that day to buy the system+game.

I recommend people stay away from walmart.com as they have ghosts that even if the purchase doesn't go through, the ghosts go onto your card and hold onto your funds and you have to call walmart.com to have them release it (which takes up to 3 days)... maybe I am dense but this is the first time some company has ever charged my card when the purchase didn't go through because of the cards fraud defense flags engaged (I don't usually spend $500 bucks at a time while in Korea)... anyways don't use walmart.com, besides they sold out while I was on the phone with them trying to get my funds released... :mad:

[decepticon]

I've been debating buying the PS3 MGS4 bundle for the past days. I think I may have to break down and buy it this weekend sometime...or when I'm off next.

[az0madman]

Got MGS4 and playing it now. Just online to see what changing Incoming Codec Outpt did, and sure enough I find out it's to enable Codec calling through bluetooth headsets. Most awesome, I'd say. Haven't actually tried it since I didn't know how it worked, but it'll put my headset to use now.

So far, the game is pretty awesome, though I really do miss the sensor screen thingy from the first and second one. That's why I didn't like MGS3 as much. Definitely a lot of cutscenes, but I'm enjoying them, although there are parts where they could've made it a more interactive cutcene, like...



SPOILERS sort of, from the first 30 minutes.
...when you get attacked by those machine/monster things and one grabs your legs. They could've used it at a tutorial for first-person aiming to shoot at the whip thing grabbing your leg. Or when you get up stairs, they could've taught you how to use the octocam (or give you the option of hiding in the box and dying).

END SPOILERS

I agree with one review that said the game should've taken some pointers from newer games. Cover system would've been helpful.

Nonetheless, I'm enjoying it.

[njshadow]

So far, the game is pretty awesome, though I really do miss the sensor screen thingy from the first and second one.

Do you mean the radar? You can use the 'Solid Eye' for that. Unless you mean you just miss the old look of it......

[jasonpoon]

Do you mean the radar? You can use the 'Solid Eye' for that. Unless you mean you just miss the old look of it......

The MGS1, 2 radar can show the enemies' lines of sight. It definitely make the game easier, sometimes I just look at the radar and walk through the security.:D

[njshadow]

The MGS1, 2 radar can show the enemies' lines of sight. It definitely make the game easier, sometimes I just look at the radar and walk through the security.:D

Ha ha yeah, I know what you mean. (Don't worry, I don't think these are spoilers.) So, has anyone faced the FROGS yet? That fight seemed pretty fun and you gotta love how they jump up into corners and attack from there, GENIUS! :cool:

[njshadow]

Hey Jasonpoon, I added to your rep. Can you recognize what the comment stands for? :D:D

LOL HINT (You've been spotted)

[az0madman]

Yeah, I liked the easierness (err...) with the radar. I got the Snake Eye after I wrote the post, so I was like "there it is -- sorta!" I am adjusting to that circle thing though.

Just got done with the FROGS before stopped for the night. That was a pretty cool fight. I don't know why I insist on using the tranq gun on enemies though since I already screwed up my no-kill attempt. It's much more fun blasting them with one of my rifles.

Oh, and I'm in love with the iPod. Makes me wish the PS3 would get the custom music for games already. Listening to something mellow in the battlefield really takes the stress away, haha. Though apparently it takes up battery (and my active rations), so I probably won't use it that much.

[jasonpoon]

If you didn't kill any FROG team member (those killed by RAT didn't count), you will get a FROG figure after the cut-scene, it's located in the car park.

[njshadow]

If you didn't kill any FROG team member (those killed by RAT didn't count), you will get a FROG figure after the cut-scene, it's located in the car park.

Then I'm assuming you had to go CRAZY with the tranquilizer gun cause' if a member of your team died you had to start over. I was doing great until someone yelled "Oh no, Jonathan's not moving!" GAME OVER. That was my ONLY restart in the first act.

[jasonpoon]

Then I'm assuming you had to go CRAZY with the tranquilizer gun cause' if a member of your team died you had to start over. I was doing great until someone yelled "Oh no, Jonathan's not moving!" GAME OVER. That was my ONLY restart in the first act.

Besides tranq pistol, stun grenade is your best friend in this battle:D
Especially in the rooftop and ground floor battles.

[njshadow]

So, are you guys absolutely loving this so far or what!? I'm having a blast. I just started Act 3. MAN! This game is amazing! I'm in an MGS paradise!

[njshadow]

MINOR SPOILER



























And who would've thought Octacon + Naomi = Bawchickawawa!! :D:D

[az0madman]

Just finished Act 3 and waiting on an install. This is definitely epic. I lost all track of time playing. Six hours today! Granted, half of it was basically watching cutscenes, but the cutscenes are done so well that it doesn't become bothersome. Okay, maybe time for some more... At the very least, I'll watch the next mission briefing.

[njshadow]

Just finished Act 3 and waiting on an install. This is definitely epic. I lost all track of time playing. Six hours today! Granted, half of it was basically watching cutscenes, but the cutscenes are done so well that it doesn't become bothersome. Okay, maybe time for some more... At the very least, I'll watch the next mission briefing.

Yeah, true. I knocked out like 2-3 hours without even realizing it! I'm probably gonna hop back on soon.

[donfubar]

I'm seriously loving this game!
I mean, I know pretty much everything about the game, but it's so awesome uncovering how everything goes down!

Hands down, one of the best games I've ever played

LOVE IT! It's not even the story or the gameplay, but the little things that just drive me right into happy town!

LOVE IT!

TDHS

[jasonpoon]

The final cut-scene of Act 3 is EPIC!!!
It's even better than many action movie.
How can they make all these amazing real-time rendering? (as far as I know, only the egg cooking is video footage)

[az0madman]

Okay, I'm done for the day. Started the fourth act. It's just too awesome.

[scootman]

man, i really wanna try this game out

[njshadow]

Minor Spoiler































I will say, there is NOTHING like flying through the air in slow-motion on a motorcycle while shooting a guy in an assault vehicle UPSIDE DOWN. NOTHING!!! :D:D

[kraziboi428]

Just finished the game. I've been waiting for this game for a very long time. After finishing this game, I feel like i should stop playing games for a very long time. its so satisfying.

[jay_ray]

MGS4 is the best game I've played in a while, if you were interestred in Metal Gear at any time you have to try this game.

[dolson]

I was at my mother-in-law's place last night, and she has TV service. Nothing good was on, so I watched Xplay, and they happened to be reviewing MGS4. They said that the install times and the long cutscenes were not an issue at all, and they said it's a GOTY contender, and gave it 5 snakes out of 5. I was impressed with their review, as it was longer than 60 seconds and actually covered the game. Seems they either took MGS4 seriously, or they have changed altogether since the last time I saw the show.

[jasonpoon]

I was at my mother-in-law's place last night, and she has TV service. Nothing good was on, so I watched Xplay, and they happened to be reviewing MGS4. They said that the install times and the long cutscenes were not an issue at all, and they said it's a GOTY contender, and gave it 5 snakes out of 5. I was impressed with their review, as it was longer than 60 seconds and actually covered the game. Seems they either took MGS4 seriously, or they have changed altogether since the last time I saw the show.

As I remember, they also have a long review for GTA4 and Gears of War.

The cut-scenes are really long but they are phenomenal (Raiden vs MG Gekko, Liquid team vs Army, both are beyond awesome). No way it's not a 5 out of 5 game. And the game-play is great great great, merge the stealth action with battlefield; split screen (Snake vs Gekko; Raiden vs Vamp); Car chasing; controlling Metal Gear...Kojima Production made an epic.

[nycest]

I finished Act 2 last night...and I'm so happy with this game. I like taking my time with the game...So far I'm blown away.

[dolson]

I'll have to give it a rent sometime.

[salsalas]

anyone unlock the sexual photo shoot easter egg when fighting the beauty and the beasts?

link here: www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/230554.html

silly japanese and their porno

[njshadow]

OK PEOPLE!! That's it!!! MGS4 is quite possibly the greatest game ever made!!!!!

Somewhat of a spoiler (Not really though)






























Has anyone made it to Shadow Moses yet? Oh my gosh, SOOOOOO many memories came flooding back seeing the compund at Shadow Moses in full PS3 high-def 3D. Especially hearing the voice flash backs as you went near things! I LITERALLY screamed and my eyes grew HUGE as I went around the area. They even had the chaff grenades in the middle of the helipad just like in the original!!! Aw man, this game is just waaaaaaay to incredible. I REALLY don't want this experience to end!!

[azathoth624]

I don't know if I'm getting quite as emotional about it as other people here, as I never played any of the previous Metal Gear games (I know, take me out the back and beat me)... but even if I'm spending a lot of time going "I'm sure this would all make sense if I had the history" this thing has Game of the Year written all over it.

My wife has been hanging around in the living room, just to watch me play it. It really is like playing a movie: a very pretty movie, that has some genuinely hysterical moments.

I'm suitably amazed.

[az0madman]

Otacon can never catch a break! :(

Got done with Act 4. Just when you thought it couldn't get more epic, the final battle of the act makes you think again.

[Bohemian_Beauty]

I don't know if I'm getting quite as emotional about it as other people here, as I never played any of the previous Metal Gear games (I know, take me out the back and beat me)... but even if I'm spending a lot of time going "I'm sure this would all make sense if I had the history" this thing has Game of the Year written all over it.

My wife has been hanging around in the living room, just to watch me play it. It really is like playing a movie: a very pretty movie, that has some genuinely hysterical moments.

I'm suitably amazed.

I've been doing the same thing. Watching my husband play it. It's an amazing game. I might even try playing it myself.

[fashiondr]

So anyone want to take bets on what the guys say about this game?

I'm guessing 2 of them will LOVE it, and one of them will only make it half way through the first level, then complain about having to play it on a PS3, install it and sit through the cut scenes. Though I'm not sure which one that will be...

[dolson]

So anyone want to take bets on what the guys say about this game?

I'm guessing 2 of them will LOVE it, and one of them will only make it half way through the first level, then complain about having to play it on a PS3, install it and sit through the cut scenes. Though I'm not sure which one that will be...

The only problem with betting is that there will be nobody betting against you, only with you.

You're right, though. Jeff has been pretty vocal about how much he hates the PS3 and basically he just likes 360 when he's not playing WoW or driving in his fancy new car.

[njshadow]

The only way someone could not like MGS4 is if they hate the action/shooter/stealth genre. Other than that, anyone who gives this game a bad score should be banished.......:cool:

[jay_ray]

The only problem with betting is that there will be nobody betting against you, only with you.

You're right, though. Jeff has been pretty vocal about how much he hates the PS3 and basically he just likes 360 when he's not playing WoW or driving in his fancy new car.

I think you mean Alex...

[dolson]

Actually I mean Dan.

Shhh.

[fashiondr]

I think you mean Alex...

It was a joke dude...

[jay_ray]

It was a joke dude...

Oh, I get it, I'm slow...

Edit: on topic, as a long time Metal Gear fan, this game blows me away. As a gamer there are definitely faults (Raging Raven boss fight was lame and the 2 min. installs between acts that aren't permanent), but the actual gameplay is always new and fresh, you're constantly doing something new in the game, each Act brings something new. The resolution to this 20 year story is satisfying, whether playing or watching it sucks you in, during the mission briefings you can switch cameras, play around with the MG Mk.II which basically allows you to direct your own cutscene, the unique live action TV shows/commercials were amazing (props to David Hayter). I can't say enough good things about it, however if you've never played a MGS game before particularly MGS 2 and 3 you may feel lost, also if the reason you didn't play them was that the cutscenes were too long this game won't change your mind. This game allows you to play the way you want on the easier difficulties (run and gun or stealth), on the harder difficulties though you must really play stealth first, but can run and gun if the situation dictates that necessity. If you like video games you must at least try it eventually.

[inertianinja]

ok - i bought Metal Gear Solid 1 for the PS1 back in the day. i didn't appreciate it because i was younger, didn't get the message or the gameplay, and just wanted to play a shooter.

now, after reading about MGS4 and watching the retrospectives, i GET it.

so i played through about 2 hours last night and i think i want to play the old games first.

so, which should i get? (i have MGS1)

MGS2 Sons of Liberty?
MGS3 Subsistence?

any others? i know that there are like a hundred games in the franchise but i don't need to play *everything*

[jasonpoon]

ok - i bought Metal Gear Solid 1 for the PS1 back in the day. i didn't appreciate it because i was younger, didn't get the message or the gameplay, and just wanted to play a shooter.

now, after reading about MGS4 and watching the retrospectives, i GET it.

so i played through about 2 hours last night and i think i want to play the old games first.

so, which should i get? (i have MGS1)

MGS2 Sons of Liberty?
MGS3 Subsistence?

any others? i know that there are like a hundred games in the franchise but i don't need to play *everything*

The Solid Snake legend timeline:
MGS3->Metal Gear->Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake->MGS1->MGS2->MGS4
Actually MGS3 is about Big Boss but it's in the same universe and related to MGS4 in many ways.

Both MGS2 and MGS3 are must play, they are both great games and related to the Solid Snake Saga very much. You can skip the MG and MG2, they are also about Solid Snake but who wanna play MSX game in 2008? Try them if you have time.

There're three other PSP MGS titles (MGS Portable OP, Metal Gear Acid, Metal Gear Acid 2), try MGS PO, it's a great handheld title and is about the story of Big Boss after MGS3. Although I'm a MGS fanboy, I can tell you to just skip the two Acid games...

[inertianinja]

The Solid Snake legend timeline:
MGS3->Metal Gear->Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake->MGS1->MGS2->MGS4
Actually MGS3 is about Big Boss but it's in the same universe and related to MGS4 in many ways.

Both MGS2 and MGS3 are must play, they are both great games and related to the Solid Snake Saga very much. You can skip the MG and MG2, they are also about Solid Snake but who wanna play MSX game in 2008? Try them if you have time.

There're three other PSP MGS titles (MGS Portable OP, Metal Gear Acid, Metal Gear Acid 2), try MGS PO, it's a great handheld title and is about the story of Big Boss after MGS3. Although I'm a MGS fanboy, I can tell you to just skip the two Acid games...



so i'll check out MGS2 and 3.

but for MGS3 - should i do Snake Eater or Subsistance? is subsistance the enhanced / fixed version of SnakeEater?

[jasonpoon]

so i'll check out MGS2 and 3.

but for MGS3 - should i do Snake Eater or Subsistance? is subsistance the enhanced / fixed version of SnakeEater?

Go for the MGS3 Sub
It included MG and MG2 (so you can play the original Snake's stories without emu);
Online mode (I'm not sure if they have stopped the server already);
New user-controlled camera system (but I found the original fix camera works better);
Snake vs Monkey mode (yes, the monkey from Sony's Ape Escape);
funny cut-scenes previously available in Konami website.

[fashiondr]

Finished the game last night/early this morning. I'm speechless...

[nycest]

so i'll check out MGS2 and 3.

but for MGS3 - should i do Snake Eater or Subsistance? is subsistance the enhanced / fixed version of SnakeEater?

I say Subsistance...The camera is similar to MGS4, the first time they used the user controlled camera similar to Splinter Cell...works really good. You definately should probably play through MGS1 one more time because the game is pretty short (like 5 or 6 hours) and its like the foundation to the others (MGS2, MGS3). Its weird but that's how I view it, everything stems from that one, either backtracking to the past, or moving forward in the timeline.

[az0madman]

Justed finished up the game. Amazing! This game is like the ultimate fan service. Just when I thought the game was over (leaving me thinking "that's it?"), the game throws me one last EPIC boss fight.

I was just kind of disappointed at the epilogue. Left me unsatisfied. Certain things felt like a cop-out and it got really cheesy. Though the post credit (first one) scene was pretty cool. They really took measures to fill in all the holes.

[louis0nfire]

I beat the game yesterday.
All I have to say is, this is the greatest overall gaming experience i've ever had.
The Metal Gear Solid 20+ year story is the greatest story ever told, in my opinion. I love everything about it.
Amazing work Kojima. He brought an INCREDIBLE story to a close with an amazing game.

[jasonpoon]

Konami just released the MGS Database (available in PSN Japan but should be out in PSN US tomorrow, we can choose different languages in the Japanese version). It's an interactive MGS encyclopedia. It will check if you have the game-clear save data and lock some content to avoid any spoiler.

[redsmurf]

Story to date.

Ok, so I have played probably the last 3 versions of this series and I am still lost on the whole story. Could someone point me in the direction of a "Previously... on MGS" ?

-nh

[dolson]

Story to date.

Ok, so I have played probably the last 3 versions of this series and I am still lost on the whole story. Could someone point me in the direction of a "Previously... on MGS" ?

-nh

As Jason just said, the MGS database is coming out today (out in JP store if you have an account there), so you could read that.

GameTrailers also recently did a series of retrospectives, so you could check over there too.

[wideawakewesley]

I beat the game yesterday.
All I have to say is, this is the greatest overall gaming experience i've ever had.
The Metal Gear Solid 20+ year story is the greatest story ever told, in my opinion. I love everything about it.
Amazing work Kojima. He brought an INCREDIBLE story to a close with an amazing game.

I have a very hard time believing that, but I'm glad you enjoyed it so much. Seems like everyone who expected it to be great had a great time playing it.

Wes

[fashiondr]

I have a very hard time believing that, but I'm glad you enjoyed it so much. Seems like everyone who expected it to be great had a great time playing it.

Wes

Believing what? His opinion of the game?

I agree that this is the single greatest gaming experience I've ever had, so much so that it's going to be hard to not judge any other game I play against it. The day after I finished it, I started playing through it again. The story (easily the best in video game history) is stunning, and the fact that Kojima could tie everything up at the end without using the 'it was all a dream' device is astounding. I love the way he intertwines the story around real history and places it in the real world, it really helps you connect with the characters.

I'll admit it, I welled up a little at the ending, (I won't say which bit since I don't want to spoil it) it was just so touching.

[wideawakewesley]

Believing that the MGS series has the best story in the history of stories. As a game it may have an awesome unrivalled story, but better than any story ever?

[dolson]

Traded in a few games at Blockbuster, picked up MGS4. We'll see if this is as good as you all claim it is... Especially that Nick character. You best be right, Nicko!

[jasonpoon]

Many people may know the japanese voice actor of Solid Snake is Akio Ohtsuka.

*****Spoiler*****

However, you may not know the japanese voice actor of Big Boss who appeared in the ending is Chikao Ōtsuka, Akio Ohtsuka's father. What a great casting.:D

[thinkicouldburn]

Totally Rad Show Clan now available on MGO.

TotallyRadShow

No Spaces due to size restraint. Feel free to join.

[fashiondr]

Totally Rad Show Clan now available on MGO.

TotallyRadShow

No Spaces due to size restraint. Feel free to join.

Putting in some serious MGO time in the name of radness? Sir, I salute you...

[ptzen]

Totally Rad Show Clan now available on MGO.

TotallyRadShow

No Spaces due to size restraint. Feel free to join.

Great! Gonna try to join now.:)

EDIT: The online is separated to different regions it seems. Cant find any clan with that name on the PAL version of the game. Damn you Konami :p

[dolson]

So I watched the GameTrailers retrospectives, and I watched Metal Gear Saga Vol 2, and I still don't have any idea WTF has happened. lol

[njshadow]

K, I'm playing through again and trying for 0 Alerts so that I can get the stealth camoflauge, even though you can buy that and the bandanna for 5,000,000 dp, that would take a bit too long for me so I'm just gonna try the 0 Alerts. Stealth first, bandanna second. The stealth makes it easier to get the bandanna rather than the othter way around.



*****SPOILER*****

One good thing about your second playthrough is that you get to use Screaming Mantis' manican to manipulate enemies, so hilarious/awesome and it helps when your in a pinch cause' it doesn't use ammo. :D (Even though you really seldom run out of ammo.)

[jasonpoon]

You can buy any weapon and item for 50% off in Act 5, so it will be 2500000 DP instead.:D

Can I get the special costume like Assassin if I use the stealth?

[jay_ray]

So I watched the GameTrailers retrospectives, and I watched Metal Gear Saga Vol 2, and I still don't have any idea WTF has happened. lol

If you do a quick read through the metal gear database, free on PSN, you should be able to catch up quickly.

[njshadow]

You can buy any weapon and item for 50% off in Act 5, so it will be 2500000 DP instead.:D

Can I get the special costume like Assassin if I use the stealth?

Oooh, that I'm not sure about.

[njshadow]

Also people, make sure you explore the Nomad in-between briefings cause' the first one has an extended life battery so you can use your battery powered objects much longer. Also, it you run into Naomi, Sunny, Raiden and Campbell you get special facecamos.

[bald_gye]

I'm on my 3rd play though, and I'm pretty sure this is the best game's I've ever played...

[dolson]

Yeah, I was looking at the MGDB, but there's SO much stuff here.. I really regret not playing the other games first. But I'm not going to go play them now.

Plus, I *really* suck at this game. That doesn't make the game bad though, just means I am not good at gaming. Haha.

Oh yeah, and shake the controller during the conversation with Rose if you want to see animated breasts jiggling... At least I think her name is Rose.. I can't remember - the 1Up Show this week showed it. Heh... Crazy Kojima.

[jasonpoon]

Any recommendation about where to earn more DP?
There's a battlefield before rendezvous with Merly in Act I, unlimited PMC and militia. However besides the militia with RPG7, other weapons they drop aren't worth too much. Any other suggestion?

[az0madman]

So I watched the GameTrailers retrospectives, and I watched Metal Gear Saga Vol 2, and I still don't have any idea WTF has happened. lol

Even if you played them all, you'd still be lost! There are some things in the story that just leave me wondering. It always takes multiple playthroughs to really grasp the ideas.

[tamtamg]

-------SPOILERS---------




Ok, i have an issue with the ending of the game. Don't get me wrong, I thought the game was great, though it was not 10/10 material, then again, I've yet to play a 10/10 game IMO. Though Super Mario Bros. 3 was close. But back to my main point. The ending sucked!!! I was so disappointed with it. Yes, the epilogue wrapped everything up in a nice bow with a cherry on top, but come on. Meryl & Akiba wedding? Bringing Big Boss Back? I think it could of been done better. But the most disappointing thing was the fact that Snake did not kill himself in end. Instead of going out as the ultimate hero, sacrificing himself in order to save the entire world from his mutated foxdie, he gets to go island hopping with Otacon in the Mediterranean and die a slow boring death. I think Kojima really missed out on an opportunity to allow Snake to go out with a bang(haha, see what i did there). Think about it, imagine what a poignant ending to the Solid Snake saga of Metal Gear it would of been if Snake killed himself in the end and if you, the player, had to pull the trigger. Imagine this ending, Big Boss gives his big speech wrapping up the series, minus the part about Snake not turning into a walking wmd. After Big Boss dies, it cuts to Snake putting the gun back in his mouth, and the game prompts you to press R1, and allows you to take how ever much time you need to do so. When you finally press R1, you hear a gun shot, the screen goes black, and you hear a sickening thud on the ground. How epic of an ending would that be? Your thoughts?

[jay_ray]

-------SPOILERS---------




Ok, i have an issue with the ending of the game. Don't get me wrong, I thought the game was great, though it was not 10/10 material, then again, I've yet to play a 10/10 game IMO. Though Super Mario Bros. 3 was close. But back to my main point. The ending sucked!!! I was so disappointed with it. Yes, the epilogue wrapped everything up in a nice bow with a cherry on top, but come on. Meryl & Akiba wedding? Bringing Big Boss Back? I think it could of been done better. But the most disappointing thing was the fact that Snake did not kill himself in end. Instead of going out as the ultimate hero, sacrificing himself in order to save the entire world from his mutated foxdie, he gets to go island hopping with Otacon in the Mediterranean and die a slow boring death. I think Kojima really missed out on an opportunity to allow Snake to go out with a bang(haha, see what i did there). Think about it, imagine what a poignant ending to the Solid Snake saga of Metal Gear it would of been if Snake killed himself in the end and if you, the player, had to pull the trigger. Imagine this ending, Big Boss gives his big speech wrapping up the series, minus the part about Snake not turning into a walking wmd. After Big Boss dies, it cuts to Snake putting the gun back in his mouth, and the game prompts you to press R1, and allows you to take how ever much time you need to do so. When you finally press R1, you hear a gun shot, the screen goes black, and you hear a sickening thud on the ground. How epic of an ending would that be? Your thoughts?
Again, spoilers






That would have been epic, but just not right, I think story wise it's satisfying not having Snake die. The entire Snake family is nothing but tragedy, so having him able to live the last few months of his life with his few friends brings a player, like myself whose grown up with him, satisfaction knowing he can be at peace and finally live and not be at war. BB coming back was fan service allowing the story to be fully rapped up.

[njshadow]

Whew, so far so good. I made it through Act 1 with 0 Alerts and 0 Continues. What really made me happy was the fact that you get 20,000 dp for having 0 Alerts! :D:D

EDIT - Just letting you guys know I'm on the hardest normal difficulty. I believe it's "Solid Normal". I'll switch to extreme or Big Boss mode once I get the goodies. :D

[njshadow]

Again, spoilers






That would have been epic, but just not right, I think story wise it's satisfying not having Snake die. The entire Snake family is nothing but tragedy, so having him able to live the last few months of his life with his few friends brings a player, like myself whose grown up with him, satisfaction knowing he can be at peace and finally live and not be at war. BB coming back was fan service allowing the story to be fully rapped up.


I agree. Having Snake live was a surprise but I liked it. It seemed kind of brilliant that Kojima did that and that would leave room for Solid Snake to make cameos in later Metal Gear Games. It's been said that there will still be future Metal Gear games even though Kojima will only be a producer and even though Solid Snake won't be the main character.


*****SPOILER*****

Did anybody else get an adrenaline rush when Snake and Liquid injected eachother and their life bars shot up!? I was like "Oh yeah! Here it comes!". :cool:

[az0madman]

Spoilers about the ending with my reply.

-------SPOILERS---------




Ok, i have an issue with the ending of the game. Don't get me wrong, I thought the game was great, though it was not 10/10 material, then again, I've yet to play a 10/10 game IMO. Though Super Mario Bros. 3 was close. But back to my main point. The ending sucked!!! I was so disappointed with it. Yes, the epilogue wrapped everything up in a nice bow with a cherry on top, but come on. Meryl & Akiba wedding? Bringing Big Boss Back? I think it could of been done better. But the most disappointing thing was the fact that Snake did not kill himself in end. Instead of going out as the ultimate hero, sacrificing himself in order to save the entire world from his mutated foxdie, he gets to go island hopping with Otacon in the Mediterranean and die a slow boring death. I think Kojima really missed out on an opportunity to allow Snake to go out with a bang(haha, see what i did there). Think about it, imagine what a poignant ending to the Solid Snake saga of Metal Gear it would of been if Snake killed himself in the end and if you, the player, had to pull the trigger. Imagine this ending, Big Boss gives his big speech wrapping up the series, minus the part about Snake not turning into a walking wmd. After Big Boss dies, it cuts to Snake putting the gun back in his mouth, and the game prompts you to press R1, and allows you to take how ever much time you need to do so. When you finally press R1, you hear a gun shot, the screen goes black, and you hear a sickening thud on the ground. How epic of an ending would that be? Your thoughts?

The ending was really disappointing. Story-wise, the game started to lose me in the 5th act when that whole Meryl/Akiba relationship took that leap (anyone reminded of Pirates 3?). Thankfully, the walk in the corridor and the Liquid fight restored my love for the game.

And everything did end on too much of a happy note. Meryl and Akiba getting married was so odd to me because we never saw much development between the two characters. And Raiden should've stayed dead, or at the very least, not have been saved by Otacon and them. Would've been more of a shock if we didn't know he was alive when he returned, and it'd make for a much more impactful ending if he was dead because of the whole Rose thing. It's just that the way we learned that he was alive took away the epic sacrifice that Raiden did.

I didn't mind Snake's ending. But I see Snake as the kind of person that would go through with killing himself if he knew he was a weapon of mass destruction. It just felt so out of character for him to not do it. Maybe if the gun locked or something. Seeing Big Boss was actually a cool surprise, though his death REALLY dragged on.

So, yeah. Still a great game, but I guess after Snake Eater, I was expecting a darker ending.

[jasonpoon]

****Spoiler Reply****

Maybe from Act 1 to first half of Act 5 the story was too dark, it just made you believe that most characters gonna die. It would be sad if many familiar characters died even Snake tried his best to "save the world". Therefore Kojima prepared a happy ending for most of them. Though I really expect Snake killed himself (from every single game reviews and interviews, they described it's a sad ending...!?)

How great would it be if the opening of the next Metal Gear is Snake's funeral

[inertianinja]

... i really am green at this. i just spent like 10 minutes getting my ass handed to me because i walked around a corner carelessly.

the combat mechanic really doesn't seem built for intense close-quarters fighting...either that or i suck.

[njshadow]

... i really am green at this. i just spent like 10 minutes getting my ass handed to me because i walked around a corner carelessly.

the combat mechanic really doesn't seem built for intense close-quarters fighting...either that or i suck.

I say this in the nicest way possible..........your probably just bad and need some practice. The game is designed for long-range as well as close-quarters-combat which is why there are the CQC maneuvers, you just need to take more care in what you do. You CAN run-and-gun but that might make things a little tougher. Stealth is key. Also, do you mind telling me what part of the game you were in when this happened?

[inertianinja]

I say this in the nicest way possible..........your probably just bad and need some practice. The game is designed for long-range as well as close-quarters-combat which is why there are the CQC maneuvers, you just need to take more care in what you do. You CAN run-and-gun but that might make things a little tougher. Stealth is key. Also, do you mind telling me what part of the game you were in when this happened?

well i just started....just got up to the part where you see liquid for the first time. i thought this was the very beginning of the game - more of a tutorial section than anything else...but it turns out i'm through the first act!

is the game really short?

[njshadow]

well i just started....just got up to the part where you see liquid for the first time. i thought this was the very beginning of the game - more of a tutorial section than anything else...but it turns out i'm through the first act!

is the game really short?

Not really, my first playthrough was about 17 hrs. Ok, I understand where you are. REMEMBER TO USE THE OCTOCAMO, IT'LL REALLY HELP. Also, since your in Act 2, the ball should really start rollin' with the story now. I'm nearing the end of act 2 with 0 Alerts thus far! (WHEW!) Don't worry man, you'll get the hang of it. :cool:

[inertianinja]

Not really, my first playthrough was about 17 hrs. Ok, I understand where you are. REMEMBER TO USE THE OCTOCAMO, IT'LL REALLY HELP. Also, since your in Act 2, the ball should really start rollin' with the story now. I'm nearing the end of act 2 with 0 Alerts thus far! (WHEW!) Don't worry man, you'll get the hang of it. :cool:

well once i saw that i was already through act 1 without having the new gameplay down, i popped out of the game to do some practice in MGO.

i will be slowing down a lot now :)

[njshadow]

well once i saw that i was already through act 1 without having the new gameplay down, i popped out of the game to do some practice in MGO.

i will be slowing down a lot now :)

Ha ha, awesome. Crawling is your friend! :D

[inertianinja]

question:

why is there such a complex selection of firearms and customizations

if you're not supposed to kill people?

(or - do things change after act 1? i'm only that far in.)

[jasonpoon]

question:

why is there such a complex selection of firearms and customizations

if you're not supposed to kill people?

(or - do things change after act 1? i'm only that far in.)

Besides some sci-fi elements, MGS is all about realistic. These firearms and customizations can satisfy fans and Kojima himself.

Though more kill can lower you rank, the main point of Stealth Action is not just NO KILL. The point is you can kill as many enemies as you like but don't let people find out you did it.

[inertianinja]

Besides some sci-fi elements, MGS is all about realistic. These firearms and customizations can satisfy fans and Kojima himself.

Though more kill can lower you rank, the main point of Stealth Action is not just NO KILL. The point is you can kill as many enemies as you like but don't let people find out you did it.

assuming when you say people, you mean the other guys in the game?

ever since i read that interview with kojima where said that playing without killing should be a goal of the player, i feel all guilty and end up using the tranq gun

[jasonpoon]

assuming when you say people, you mean the other guys in the game?

ever since i read that interview with kojima where said that playing without killing should be a goal of the player, i feel all guilty and end up using the tranq gun

Yes:D
The story also suppose Snake not to kill enemy (Otacon always tell Snake not to get involved, just accomplish your mission)

With no kill you got better rank and bonus item (coz no kill probably means better skill), anyway it's up to you how to play the game, just like you make your choice to help the militia or not.

[njshadow]

question:

why is there such a complex selection of firearms and customizations

if you're not supposed to kill people?

(or - do things change after act 1? i'm only that far in.)

Ah ha, because that's when the Metal Gear Term "Tactical Espionage Action" comes into play. :D You have the choice to be stealthy or a crazy run-and-gun guy. Also, even if your tryin' to be stealthy you can still put many of those customizations to good use. :cool: I have no problem killin' people in the game, the only time I probably don't kill people is when I'm going for 0 Kills to unlock the bandanna. Other than that I take em' out when I've got the chance.

[njshadow]

Is it just me or does anyone else get an appeptite for eggs after watching Sunny cook. :D I pulled an all-nighter last night and was playin' MGS4 til' maybe 8 AM and went upstairs and had 2 sunny-side up eggs with toast, the perfect complement to the mission briefings! :D

[dolson]

Speaking of mission briefings - why do I have to launch them independently of the actual game? Shouldn't they be in-line with the gameplay?? Seems pretty weird...

[az0madman]

Speaking of mission briefings - why do I have to launch them independently of the actual game? Shouldn't they be in-line with the gameplay?? Seems pretty weird...

What do you mean? I know you have the option to watch them via main menu, but it does play continuously with the rest of the game.

[dolson]

What do you mean? I know you have the option to watch them via main menu, but it does play continuously with the rest of the game.

No, I'm pretty sure it doesn't... Go load up the game, then go to the option in the menu and watch it. I don't recall seeing that while playing the actual game... Seriously... If I'm just not remembering correctly, then I'm getting too old, I guess.. But it sure seems like two different things to me.

[az0madman]

Just checked, and I'm still not sure what you're talking about. The scenes on the Nomad (beginning with Sunny and the eggs) play after the act break install, so I don't know how you're missing them.

[dolson]

OK, I am not finished Act 1 yet, but after the install, I did not see the same mission briefing as if I go to it from the main menu...

As in - I wasn't able to control the Mk II, and go pick up a ration and battery pack and stuff like this, and I didn't see Sunny bringing the eggs to Snake and Otacon and such... This was all new to me when I accidentally went and checked out the mission briefing from the menu.. And I restarted the game twice, so I'm sure I wasn't just missing it..

I don't know.. I didn't see that interactivity at all until I went there. I guess my copy of the game is broken?

[az0madman]

Oh, wow, never actually noticed but I guess they don't play the first mission briefing. I was looking at the other acts and those ones definitely do play as you go along.

[jasonpoon]

Yes, Act 1 briefing didn't show up in the game. You have to go to the briefing section of the main menu. It's all about what happened after Roy Campbell and Otacon found Snake in the graveyard.

And it's the only chance to get the Roy Campbell face camouflage.:D

[dolson]

Well, it's good to know that I'm not crazy - and it's good to know that the rest of them play in-line. But still, what a weird choice to do that, especially with only the first one.

[timmacyjr]

mgs4.

just too amazing.

hands down game of the year.

[dolson]

mgs4.

just too amazing.

hands down game of the year.

Making such a claim at less than half-way through the year is pretty silly. no matter how much of a fanboy you may or may not be.

Nobody has yet tried Gears of War 2, LittleBigPlanet, or.. uh.. My Horse and Me 2, so you really don't know yet.

[njshadow]

YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!



I just got the STEALTH Camo! Whooo! Got through the entire game with 0 Alerts! Yeah baby! Booyah!

[njshadow]

mgs4.

just too amazing.

hands down game of the year.

Amen to that! Possibly the greatest game I have EVER PLAYED. I seriously doubt any of the competitors at the end of the year will be able to stand up to MGS4.

[dolson]

Amen to that! Possibly the greatest game I have EVER PLAYED. I seriously doubt any of the competitors at the end of the year will be able to stand up to MGS4.

WHAT ABOUT MIRROR'S EDGE?!?!?!?!? YOU SAID IT ROCKS!!!!!!

[inertianinja]

YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!



I just got the STEALTH Camo! Whooo! Got through the entire game with 0 Alerts! Yeah baby! Booyah!


how does this work? do you get the stealth camo for beating it with no alerts...or did you get the camo and then zip through unnoticed?

[njshadow]

how does this work? do you get the stealth camo for beating it with no alerts...or did you get the camo and then zip through unnoticed?

You get it for either having 0 Alerts or buying it for 5,000,000 drebin points (That would take awhile). I got through the game with 0 Alerts and earned it! :D I'll try and refrain from posting any spoilers but man! Some parts were so tough I had to replay them 5-10 times!

[njshadow]

WHAT ABOUT MIRROR'S EDGE?!?!?!?!? YOU SAID IT ROCKS!!!!!!

Ah ha! I was originally gonna gonna reply that it was gonna be a showdown between Mirror's Edge and MGS4 but I'm still confident that MGS4 will take it. It's just TOO incredible. :D

[jasonpoon]

For those who wanna earn DP, the long corridor in Act 5 after fighting Screaming Mantis is a good place. There're unlimited annoying small robots, use 40mm grenade to blow them all to hell (you may need to purchase bullet from Drebin but trust me, you earn much more than the cost of bullet)

[njshadow]

For those who wanna earn DP, the long corridor in Act 5 after fighting Screaming Mantis is a good place. There're unlimited annoying small robots, use 40mm grenade to blow them all to hell (you may need to purchase bullet from Drebin but trust me, you earn much more than the cost of bullet)

I was thinking about trying to get the Stealth via dp, but I didn't feel like, kill, run over, grab gun, kill, run over, grab gun, etc., etc. Playing through tha game really showed whether you had skill or not. Plus, if you get through the game with 0 Alerts you earn the Octopus badge for not being spotted.

*****SPOILER*****

And may I say that getting past Crying Wolf and those stupid Scarabs was pretty tough. But once you get the hang of it it's pretty easy.

[jasonpoon]

I was thinking about trying to get the Stealth via dp, but I didn't feel like, kill, run over, grab gun, kill, run over, grab gun, etc., etc. Playing through tha game really showed whether you had skill or not. Plus, if you get through the game with 0 Alerts you earn the Octopus badge for not being spotted.


I've to admit that it's repetitive and boring, and MGS should be a stealth action game. But just in case you need more DP (like if you wanna have a complete collection of the firearms), it's the right place.

After finished the game several times, I'm now totally addicted to MGO, I hope I can play with you guys (mine is the Japanese ver...)

[inertianinja]

interesting

SPOILER BELOW













****
did you notice when snake meets naomi, during the cutscene, she starts talking about frank jager - the ninja from the first metal gear solid game.
then she starts talking about the system of control over the years and the screen changes to what it looks like the XMB and it goes down through the list of games with a "tik tik tik" sound just like on the XMB.

it gets all the way down to MGS4, then there are two more blocks for games that say "under construction"

oh snap!

[thinkicouldburn]

interesting

SPOILER BELOW
****
did you notice when snake meets naomi, during the cutscene, she starts talking about frank jager - the ninja from the first metal gear solid game.
then she starts talking about the system of control over the years and the screen changes to what it looks like the XMB and it goes down through the list of games with a "tik tik tik" sound just like on the XMB.

it gets all the way down to MGS4, then there are two more blocks for games that say "under construction"

oh snap!


Probably some spoilers in there. Hurry up already, beat the game.

Yeah, Kojima has stated that this is the last chapter in the Solid Snake story. Doesn't mean there won't be another few Metal Gear games. On the Special Edition Bluray Disk he says he hopes some of the members of his staff will continue on to make their own storys and sagas in the Metal Gear Universe.

Was there ever a game that documented Snake and Raiden saving Sunny from the Patriots? I remember in MGS2 that Sunny's mother, Olga, was unwillingly helping the Patriots due to Sunny being kidnapped. Then I thought at some point in MGS4 it's revealed that Snake and Raiden helped save her. This could be another game. We could also get a chance to take over as Raiden again as he becomes that crazy ass ninja. His entire story after MGS2 is a mystery. While MGS4 did wrap up the main plot lines of the MGS story, there are still enough gaps that could be used to create some more games. Hideo Kojima intentionally did that so he can watch his creation blossom into something new with other people in charge.

[jay_ray]

Probably some spoilers in there. Hurry up already, beat the game.

Yeah, Kojima has stated that this is the last chapter in the Solid Snake story. Doesn't mean there won't be another few Metal Gear games. On the Special Edition Bluray Disk he says he hopes some of the members of his staff will continue on to make their own storys and sagas in the Metal Gear Universe.

Was there ever a game that documented Snake and Raiden saving Sunny from the Patriots? I remember in MGS2 that Sunny's mother, Olga, was unwillingly helping the Patriots due to Sunny being kidnapped. Then I thought at some point in MGS4 it's revealed that Snake and Raiden helped save her. This could be another game. We could also get a chance to take over as Raiden again as he becomes that crazy ass ninja. His entire story after MGS2 is a mystery. While MGS4 did wrap up the main plot lines of the MGS story, there are still enough gaps that could be used to create some more games. Hideo Kojima intentionally did that so he can watch his creation blossom into something new with other people in charge.

I hope that MGS5 will not be connected to the previous games, don't get me wrong, I love every MGS game, but I think it's time to hang up Snake's bandanna and move out of his time line, just my 2 cents.

[dolson]

Yahtzee has his say on MGS4:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/99-Metal-Gear-Solid-4

[jasonpoon]

Yahtzee has his say on MGS4:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/99-Metal-Gear-Solid-4

Did he ever review a game and give mainly positive feedback? (yea, I know without criticism, it won't be Zero Punctuation)

He's right, what he mentioned may really keep some gamers away. It's alright, every game has its flaws for some people and these flaws may become amazing ideas for others.

[jay_ray]

Did he ever review a game and give mainly positive feedback? (yea, I know without criticism, it won't be Zero Punctuation)

He's right, what he mentioned may really keep some gamers away. It's alright, every game has its flaws for some people and these flaws may become amazing ideas for others.

Portal is the only game he hasn't said anything negative about.

[gonzooo]

Redundant post: Searched for it, but apparently the search function doesn't catch links very well.

[dolson]

Yahtzee on MGS4 (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/99-Metal-Gear-Solid-4) - Seems to be fueled by real anger this time. :p

When you see familiar faces, but you don't remember where they're from, could you be wrong?

When you've been particular places that you know you've never been before, can you be sure?

'Cause you know this has happened before, and you know that this moment in time is for real, and you know when you feel deja-vu.

Feel like I've been here before
Feel like I've been here before
Feel like I've been here before
Feel like I've been here before

Ever had a conversation that you realise you've had before? Isn't it strange?

Have you ever talked to someone and you feel you know what's coming next? It feels pre-arranged.

'Cause you know that you've heard it before, and you feel that this moment in time is surreal, 'aause you know when you feel deja-vu.


Feel like I've been here before
Feel like I've been here before
Feel like I've been here before
Feel like I've been here before

[dolson]

You modded me down and said "Eat shit, douchebag" because I posted Iron Maiden lyrics? Get a life, man.

[th3-space-pope]

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[dolson]

For anyone who hasn't played this yet, there is a demo up on the PlayStation Store today in pretty much all regions.

For the record, it's from the beginning of the game, which I think is the worst part - it gets progressively better as you play, so if you like the demo, you'll probably love the rest of the game.