PS3 or Xbox

[samureye]

Hey guys, I am pretty sure this has never come up ever at all so I thought I would be the totally original one to ask what your thoughts are on someone wanting to either buy a PS3 or a 360 (definately getting a Wii at some point in time after) so any help would be great.

I want to play online but I want to know about people outside the US. With the 360, if you're not in the US and you sign up saying you are in the US then it works fine - is this the same thing with the PS3?

How easy is it to play online with the PS3 using wireless? Thanks in advance for your help!

[ramshaw]

Thread (http://revision3.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7778) from about week ago :). My opinion stands.

[samureye]

But what about the online? In signing up for PS3 online, I know it's free, but do you need a credit card or what?

[filch]

Well...

Both

[samureye]

Both would be ideal but I have to pick one.

[stopikingonme]

IMHO, I would definately buy a 360 if you are at all interested in using your system online. To be honest I don't have a PS3, but I do have a 360.

I have read just about everything about the PS3 and its online capabilities. I don't think you need a credit card, but don't quote me. I think you start the process online and reserve a gamertag then when you get a PS3 hooked up to the interweb you enter it and your password and go from there. I think you don't need a credit card until you try to go to the online store.

The reason I would suggest a 360 is the fact that Microsoft has been doing the 'online' thing much longer than Sony. They already have a huge player base (original and 360 players) plus all the features they provide. Downloadable movies (HD even), games, movie trailers, game trailers, demos blah blah... Yea I know the PS3 will have or will soon have all of these, but xbox live has been doing them well for ages.

Then there is the question of the future. Right now we know the 360 is a solid platform (1st gen 360's aside). We know everybody and their mother has an xbox live account, and we know its not going to change in the near future. The PS3 on the other hand had a late start out of the gate and other than a promise of some really cool games we don't know where the PS3 will be a year or two from now. Hopefully it will be full of great exclusives and the online HOME will have taken off, and is full of players. The problem is right now that's now the case, and there isn't anything that can guarantee that that will even happen. You may end up with a Sega Genesis, Sega CD, Turbo Grafx 16, Neo Geo, or worse a Panasonic 3DO.

I say take the safe road, ESPECIALLY if you are interested in playing online, and buy a 360! Then add me to your friends list: Stopikingonme

-Cheers mate

[comhcinc]

Both would be ideal but I have to pick one.

you don't have to pick one, you just have to pick which to buy first ;)

[psbp516]

The online for the ps3 DOES work very well, and it's free. The only problem is that there aren't that many good games until the fall. But if you can only pick one to stick with for a couple of years, go for the ps3.

[samureye]

IMHO, I would definately buy a 360 if you are at all interested in using your system online. To be honest I don't have a PS3, but I do have a 360.

I have read just about everything about the PS3 and its online capabilities. I don't think you need a credit card, but don't quote me. I think you start the process online and reserve a gamertag then when you get a PS3 hooked up to the interweb you enter it and your password and go from there. I think you don't need a credit card until you try to go to the online store.

The reason I would suggest a 360 is the fact that Microsoft has been doing the 'online' thing much longer than Sony. They already have a huge player base (original and 360 players) plus all the features they provide. Downloadable movies (HD even), games, movie trailers, game trailers, demos blah blah... Yea I know the PS3 will have or will soon have all of these, but xbox live has been doing them well for ages.

Then there is the question of the future. Right now we know the 360 is a solid platform (1st gen 360's aside). We know everybody and their mother has an xbox live account, and we know its not going to change in the near future. The PS3 on the other hand had a late start out of the gate and other than a promise of some really cool games we don't know where the PS3 will be a year or two from now. Hopefully it will be full of great exclusives and the online HOME will have taken off, and is full of players. The problem is right now that's now the case, and there isn't anything that can guarantee that that will even happen. You may end up with a Sega Genesis, Sega CD, Turbo Grafx 16, Neo Geo, or worse a Panasonic 3DO.

I say take the safe road, ESPECIALLY if you are interested in playing online, and buy a 360! Then add me to your friends list: Stopikingonme

-Cheers mate
Buuuuut what about the red ring of death?

[iccanui]

Well my opnion is thus. The xbox is gonna be your best bet for anything current. I think if you wanna just jump into a existing community then again the xbox is the way to go again and i wont go into all the reasons cause they have been said already. But here is the thing, the ps3 is new and shiney and with nothing else big on the horizon dropping the coin for it will look less and less painful. Games for the system are coming in the fall so on a way it might become the new hot thing. Not to mention christmas is coming, so just out of timing it might catch a little wave. Personally i think it wil.


So the question is do you want to be part of a built community or take part if a building one. Either machine will make you happy beyond that divergence imho.

[comhcinc]

people playing games online hardly make a community.

[samureye]

people playing games online hardly make a community.
I think he means the way it is set-up makes it a good community. I was sort of underwhelmed by the Live service and the controller, I think, but I am hoping it's because I spent all of 10 minutes with hands on time.

You think getting the Elite will give me a better chance of not getting the Red Ring of death? Or is the Elite in very high demand/low production?

Stupid question: how easy is it to split your connection to be online on your PC and 360 or PS3 at the same time?

[iccanui]

people playing games online hardly make a community.

The xbox without a doubt has a community. Online forums, podcasts, ways of connecting and syncing up gamer tags and times to play with one another. It has room to grow without doubt, but it definetly has a community. As a old school MMO player, believe me you dont have to have tools in the game to make a community around it. Thats the beauty of the teh internets.


As far as connecting multiple devices, just get a router and split the connection. Its easy. My fav is the wrt54g. Solid router with a rated burst through put of 30mbps. More then you need and made by linksys aka cisco. There might be better out there, but last i checked this is the best. No frills, just a solid reliable model.

[zoomtechtv]

I think he means the way it is set-up makes it a good community. I was sort of underwhelmed by the Live service and the controller, I think, but I am hoping it's because I spent all of 10 minutes with hands on time.

You think getting the Elite will give me a better chance of not getting the Red Ring of death? Or is the Elite in very high demand/low production?

Stupid question: how easy is it to split your connection to be online on your PC and 360 or PS3 at the same time?

The Elite will still get the RED RING of DEATH. XBOX360 is getting a new chipset the 65 nanometers this will fix the problem. They will be in stores this fall.

[samureye]

Wait...so if I use that router...which is wireless, then I need to buy the wireless adapter for the 360, don't I? I wonder how good that will be on a 512 down, 128 up connection? :s I do need a wireless router but is it possible to use a wireless router to route a wired connection as well? So, the idea is I could use the router to plug directly into the 360 and have wireless for the laptops. Argh, I have no experience with Wireless yet so I will have so many questions.

[samureye]

The Elite will still get the RED RING of DEATH. XBOX360 is getting a new chipset the 65 nanometers this will fix the problem. They will be in stores this fall.
When is fall in America? I kinda sorta have until the 5th August to get it.

[iccanui]

Wait...so if I use that router...which is wireless, then I need to buy the wireless adapter for the 360, don't I? I wonder how good that will be on a 512 down, 128 up connection? :s I do need a wireless router but is it possible to use a wireless router to route a wired connection as well? So, the idea is I could use the router to plug directly into the 360 and have wireless for the laptops. Argh, I have no experience with Wireless yet so I will have so many questions.

Ok well lets break it down then. I dont know where your stuff is all located but ill lay it out optimally.


A router splits a connection. All it does ( in this context ) is one thing, allow your 1 internet connection to be split to relatively any number of connections you want. Now a "Wireless" router is the exact same thing Sam, but now it has a antenna that broadcasts out radio signal exactly like a your fav radio station in the car, to a wireless adapter which is basically is acting like a antenna recieving that and sending back to the router. Think walkie talkies.

Now, you CAN have the xbox wireless if you want. But when gaming you always want wired if you can. There is 4 ports on the back of the router that you can plug your xbox into like so.

http://www1.linksys.com/tech_helper/tempimages/4portLAN2.jpg


Ill stop there, that should be enough. If you need more help feel free to ask. I got time to kill.

[iccanui]

When is fall in America? I kinda sorta have until the 5th August to get it.

If thats your deadline i would say its coming after. That close to christmas you can bet they are gonna stall the release if they have to and i would even bet drop the price for the christmas season.

I wouldnt worry about all that. They have a 3 year warranty now and if you do break it, i bet you get a 45nm chip back anyway.

[magunwarrior]

You're insured by the new warranty for three years from date of purchase, while it is a ***** sending it back to MS and all that, I wouldn't worry about it too much. While the failure rate is still outrageously high, it's less than half. And from what I've heard from people that have dealt with customer service that it is most of the time a pleasant and fast process. So don't worry about the red ring, because you're covered if it comes up.

[samureye]

Heh, thanks - I know what a router is/does - but I can get a Cat5 cable or something, plug it into the Xbox and then into the WIRELESS router and I'd be good to go?

[iccanui]

Yes. Thats what i do bro. You will also have your wireless for your laptops as well.

wrt54g is what your after.

http://www.wh-netz.de/knowledgebase/PUB.WRT54g/wrt54g-5.png

Or something just like it.

[magunwarrior]

My mom has that at her house, It only took me about two minutes to set up, worked pretty good.

[samureye]

Oh sweet. So I can get some extra extra long Cat5. Nice.

[iccanui]

Oh just a heads up i just thought of. Stay away from netgear. They work good, i install them all day, but that lame setup is the most annoying thing every. Each time the power goes out you have to connect a lan line to it and run through this little wizard. It baffles me as to why its there. I know its supposed to help, but it really complicates things. Its a shame cause they perform pretty well, well other then putting their admin UI on port 80 so you cant webhost. Yea that was a weeks head ache i would love to forget.

[samureye]

From what I am seeing on the PS3 boards, Linksys gives trouble with the PS3 and Dlink is the way to go, but if I use it to just extend the wired connection then we're good to go, I guess since wired is wired, right? Plug into the console and play, I hope.

[iccanui]

Huh, weird. So they are having issues with the wireless then ?

Anyway, i cant see how you would have a problem wired. Wireless the chipset can cause a issue sometimes, but wired is pretty straight forward. Can always take it back and exchange it if its a issue either way i guess.

[stopikingonme]

Heh, thanks - I know what a router is/does - but I can get a Cat5 cable or something, plug it into the Xbox and then into the WIRELESS router and I'd be good to go?

I think you are looking for this:
360 wireless adapter (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360wirelessnetadapter/)

Also, ironically as I was writing my wonderful rant about 360's I was also packing up MY 360 into a box to send to MS to be fixed (under warrenty) for the red ring of death. Especially since they extended the warranty to 3 years as long as you check the assembly date (mine was assembled the month of the release) you SHOULD be ok, yes the new 65 nano will be better, but I have heard a lot of people saying the further you are from the release date for when your unit was manufactured your chance of red ringadge is lower. Regardless it's under warrenty so if it was me I wouldn't let that factor into my decision.

[samureye]

Ahhhh, hearing stuff like this is not cool!

[dark_shroud]

It's going to be another 6 months easy before all the new parts are ready for the 360. All in all the thing is literally being redesigned. It's getting a new mother board, new chips, a new heat sink for the GUI, & I believe it's 8th DVD drive.

I have a 360, I don't play it much, thus mine is still working ok though I've had to stop playing to let it cool down. Everyone else I know has already had to ship their 360's in a few times. And they had to pay for some of the repairs since that new warranty only covers the RRoD.

That being said the PS3 online has the same features as xBox live (though not the same amount of demos at this point in time.). The PS3 is also getting home which is a true online community.

And for those of you who want wireless for your 360's, check this out: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833162168

[sado]

The 360 is definitely the choice for AT LEAST this year, if not for this console generation (if you have to choose one, based on online play). I say this having a PS3, Wii, PSP, DS, and 360 so I tend to be non-biased about it. Right now as I see it the 360 has the games for this year if not next year as well. The PS3 will have some great games eventually that are worth having the system for but so far I don't see a reason to have it for the very few amount of games worth playing, even though SSDHD might as well be a killer app. I would say go with the 360 because you can at least still count on having a ton to play already without having to look to the future for games to play.

As for the red ring of death issue I am sure as being the one with the '11 consoles breaking (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3160603)' I can say that it is likely one will break on you, then again you can discount my story as being just plain bad luck. I can tell you this about the red ring of death, you should get the extended warranty. As much as I would like to believe Microsoft has solved the issue I would get it just to cover my ass if you know what I mean. My story was one where I spent $0 when it came to replacing my consoles but there are many others out there that were forced to fork over 150 bucks or go out and buy another 360 console from a store.

Caution should be your best friend when always purchasing a console of any type. It's not likely that it will happen to you but you should be ready for it if it happens.

The online play in other countries I cant speak too much about but I know many Brits and Germans who play on US/Euro servers with the 360 so I am sure its nearly the same as the 360. The way the 360 does it, I assume, is that it just looks for the lowest pings and location of the player's game you're trying to join so you shouldn't run into trouble there. You also have to remember that there is a 10 million + install base for the 360 already so finding multiplayer games on popular titles shouldn't be hard at all. The accessories out there for the 360 are good but like others have said I wouldn't spend the 100 bucks on the 1st party wireless adapter for the 360 especially when in some cases it can be a pretty terrible wireless adapter. Some of the ones like the Buffalo are highly recommended on the Xbox forums and should be your priority if you do want your 360 wireless in that area.

The PS3 router problems have been talked to death but they seem to be small in proportion. I remember 1up talking about the problems back when the PS3 first came out. I assumed they had resolved the problems when it came to the routers but I guess not. Then again Xbox Live isn't exactly the greatest sometimes when it comes to interacting with the routers. There are threads out there for forwarding ports for the 360 to get some of the standard functionality of live to work, like the voice chat for instance. There are some ports you will have to forward as well for the PS3 but they're all over the net, just google it.

You already probably know what games you'll get for the PS3 or Xbox 360 but I figured I would add in the games for the systems that I would recommend depending on the one you got -
PS3
Ninja Gaiden Sigma
Resistance Fall of Man
Motorstorm (almost a killer app to me)
Super Stardust HD
Virtua Fighter 5 (awesome, but it really sucks not having online play)

Xbox 360
Forza 2
Project Gotham Racing 3
Gears of War
Dirt
The Darkness (ps3 version is possibly better if you want to read the comic)
Rainbow Six Vegas
Crackdown
Guitar Hero 2
Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 1 and 2
Shadowrun (yes, it's actually good but depending on your tastes it might become sour after a while, rent it first)
Viva Pinata (really good but hard as hell, rent it first)
Dead Rising (really good as well but only worth a rental due to the length of the game)
Geometry Wars (a must buy)
Castlevania: Sotn (really good port but you might want to skip it if you've played it to death already)
Bomberman Live!

You also have to think about what is coming out this year. Right now the 360 lineup for this year is solid - Bioshock, Halo 3, Grand Theft Auto, Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey, Project Gotham 4, Call of Duty 4, Resident Evil 5, Devil May Cry 4, Mercenaries 2, and Army of Two. I am sure there are some I am missing for this year but oh well. There are just a crapload of games coming out for the 360 this year and I cant say that about the PS3, which is why I recommend the 360 over the PS3.

Hope this post helps, feel free to add me on Live or PSN when/if you get either of them.

[its-turbo-time]

Get a 360. Sony sucks and doesn't deserve your purchase. They don't have a single original idea in the PS3--everything is stolen from 360 or Wii.

[dark_shroud]

The 360 is definitely the choice for AT LEAST this year, if not for this console generation (if you have to choose one, based on online play). I say this having a PS3, Wii, PSP, DS, and 360 so I tend to be non-biased about it. Right now as I see it the 360 has the games for this year if not next year as well. The PS3 will have some great games eventually that are worth having the system for but so far I don't see a reason to have it for the very few amount of games worth playing, even though SSDHD might as well be a killer app. I would say go with the 360 because you can at least still count on having a ton to play already without having to look to the future for games to play.

As for the red ring of death issue I am sure as being the one with the '11 consoles breaking' I can say that it is likely one will break on you, then again you can discount my story as being just plain bad luck. I can tell you this about the red ring of death, you should get the extended warranty. As much as I would like to believe Microsoft has solved the issue I would get it just to cover my ass if you know what I mean. My story was one where I spent $0 when it came to replacing my consoles but there are many others out there that were forced to fork over 150 bucks or go out and buy another 360 console from a store.

Caution should be your best friend when always purchasing a console of any type. It's not likely that it will happen to you but you should be ready for it if it happens.

The online play in other countries I cant speak too much about but I know many Brits and Germans who play on US/Euro servers with the 360 so I am sure its nearly the same as the 360. The way the 360 does it, I assume, is that it just looks for the lowest pings and location of the player's game you're trying to join so you shouldn't run into trouble there. You also have to remember that there is a 10 million + install base for the 360 already so finding multiplayer games on popular titles shouldn't be hard at all. The accessories out there for the 360 are good but like others have said I wouldn't spend the 100 bucks on the 1st party wireless adapter for the 360 especially when in some cases it can be a pretty terrible wireless adapter. Some of the ones like the Buffalo are highly recommended on the Xbox forums and should be your priority if you do want your 360 wireless in that area.

The PS3 router problems have been talked to death but they seem to be small in proportion. I remember 1up talking about the problems back when the PS3 first came out. I assumed they had resolved the problems when it came to the routers but I guess not. Then again Xbox Live isn't exactly the greatest sometimes when it comes to interacting with the routers. There are threads out there for forwarding ports for the 360 to get some of the standard functionality of live to work, like the voice chat for instance. There are some ports you will have to forward as well for the PS3 but they're all over the net, just google it.

Did you watch any of the E3 footage? The PS3 has a lot of games coming out this November. The only 360 exclusive that even comes to mind is Gears. So the better games argument doesn't hold up.

Gears, Bioshock, & Halo 3 are/will be coming out to the PC where they will better. So that only leaves Mass Effect.

And no the RRoD isn't just bad luck. It's the results of bad design from a company that was only concerned with getting out to market first. Every person I know who is a heavy gamer has had to replace their 360's a few times already from the various flaws, most of which are not covered by the 3 year warranty. My nephew's older brother had to buy a whole new system because his 1 year warranty was up. And that was his third, he's on his 5th 360 now.

And your list is crap, here's a better list for the PS3.

PlayStation 3 Exclusives Confirmed

Released [12 Titles]
Full Auto 2: Battlelines
Genji: Days of the Blade
Godfather: The Don's Edition, The
MLB '07: The Show
Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire
MotorStorm
Ninja Gaiden Sigma
Resistance: Fall of Man
Ridge Racer 7
Spider-Man 3: Collector's Edition
Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom
Virtua Fighter 5 [timed for 360]

Upcoming [81 Titles]
ActiveDogs Project

Afrika
Agency, The
Agaresu Senki [Record of Agarest War]
Airtight Project
Angel Link [Working Title]
Aqua Vita [YouTube]
Battle Field Valkyrie [Announcement]
Black Blade
CyberConnect2 Project [Announcement]
DC Universe
Diseaga 3
Driver 5
Dynasty Warriors 6
Eight Days
Ember [PlayThree]
EyeCreate
Eyedentify
Eye of Judgement, The
Fifth Phantom Saga
Final Fantasy XIII
Final Fantasy Versus XIII
Folklore
Getaway 3
Gradius
Gran Turismo 5
Gretzky NHL [Working Title]
Haze [Timed Exclusive]
Heavenly Sword
Heavy Rain
Home, PlayStation
Hot Shots Golf 5
inFAMOUS
Imabiksou [Scans]
Killzone 2
Lair
LittleBigPlanet
Little House in the Plateau [Working Title]
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
Megazone 23: Blue Garland
Metro 2033: The Last Refuge
Mist of Chaos
Monster Hunter 3
My Summer Holiday

Namco Bandai RPG Project
Namco Bandai Sports Project
Namco Bandai Shooter Project
NBA '08
Ni-Oh
Project D
Project Psychic [Working Title]
Quantic Dream Project [Thread]
Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
Railfan [Train Simulator Online]

Railfan Touwan Koutetsu
Romance of the Three Kingdoms
Redwood Falls
Sega's Toshihiro Nagoshi Project
SingStar
Sky Blue [YouTube]
SOCOM 4
Tears to Taira: Kakan no Daichi
Tekken 6
thatgamecompany Project #2 [untitled]
thatgamecompany Project #3 [untitled]
Time Crisis 4 [Including Guncon 3]
Tomb Raider 8
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Unreal Tournament III [+PC] [Timed Exclusive]
Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom
Vampire Rain: Altered Species
Wall, The [+ PC]
Wardevil
Warhawk
Way of the Samurai 3
White Knight Story
Yamasa DigiWorld DX
Zipper Interactive Project
PlayStation Network Exclusives

Released [14 Titles]

Blast Factor
Calling All Cars!
Cash Guns Chaos DLX
flOw
Go! Puzzle
Go! Sudoku
Gran Turismo HD Concept
Gripshift
Lemmings
Mortal Kombat II
Nucleus
Super Rub-a-Dub
Super Stardust HD
Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection

Upcoming [17 Titles]

Buu Buu Cocoreccho [Loco Roco]

EchoChrome
Elefunk
Everyday Shooter
Free Realms
Go! Sports Ski
Gran Turismo 5: Prologue
High Stakes on the Vegas Strip: Poker Edition
High Velocity Bowling
Metal Gear Solid: Online [Announcement]
Nobi Nobi Boy
Pain
Pixel Junk Racers
Snakeball
SOCOM: Confrontation
Toy Home
Wipeout HD
MultiPlatform Unknown Exclusives [1 Title]
Silent Hill 5 [Possibility]
Unknown Exclusive/Rumored Titles [14 Titles]

Digimon World Online [Wikipedia]
Epic Project [Announcement]
Final Fantasy VII [Possibility]
God of War 3
Hideo Kojima Project
Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier
Kingdom Hearts 3
Motorstorm 2 [Confirmed?]
Nine to Five [Speculation]
Resistance: Rise of Man [Box Art?]
Sly 4
TimeSplitters
Twisted Metal [Clown Cloud]
Zone of the Enders 3 [Magazine Scan]

Get a 360. Sony sucks and doesn't deserve your purchase. They don't have a single original idea in the PS3--everything is stolen from 360 or Wii.
You fail at life. Name one thing that was stolen from those systems. FYI, I had a motion sensor controller for my Sega Genesis.

[sado]

Released [12 Titles]
Full Auto 2: Battlelines
Genji: Days of the Blade
Godfather: The Don's Edition, The
MLB '07: The Show
Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire
MotorStorm
Ninja Gaiden Sigma
Resistance: Fall of Man
Ridge Racer 7
Spider-Man 3: Collector's Edition
Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom
Virtua Fighter 5 [timed for 360]

Wait....you're going to give me THIS list and that is supposed to impress me or anyone else? God forbid you mention that Ninja Gaiden is a 2 year old Xbox 1 game.

LOL...RIDDDDDGGGGE RACERRR guys!

Anyways, back to your point -
IF you would have read my entire post I said in the number of games coming out this year 'that look good' the 360 has more. You would either have to be a fool or a fanboy to disagree with that statement. I did say HOWEVER that the PS3 has a lot of great games coming out next year as many of the titles you listed are slated 2008 that were supposed to come out in 2007. There are only a few exclusives coming in 2007 for the PS3, the biggest of them being Heavenly Sword which will not sell the amount of copies that Sony needs to sell systems.

Did you watch any of the E3 footage? The PS3 has a lot of games coming out this November. The only 360 exclusive that even comes to mind is Gears. So the better games argument doesn't hold up.

Name the ones coming out this year then, id love to hear it. As for the only 360 exclusives - Halo 3, Gears, Bioshock, Lost Odyssey, Mass Effect, and I am sure I am missing others but at 3 am I don't care.

Gears, Bioshock, & Halo 3 are/will be coming out to the PC where they will better. So that only leaves Mass Effect.


It doesn't matter, exclusive to Microsoft platforms so they are all still Microsoft exclusives.

Keep drinking that Koolaid.

----

Just using your list here to mark off games that no one will care about (compare with his list) -

PlayStation 3 Exclusives Confirmed

Released
MotorStorm
Ninja Gaiden Sigma
Resistance: Fall of Man
Virtua Fighter 5 [timed for 360]

Upcoming
ActiveDogs Project
Agency, The
Eight Days
Final Fantasy XIII
Final Fantasy Versus XIII
Folklore
Gran Turismo 5
Heavenly Sword
Home, PlayStation
inFAMOUS
Killzone 2
Lair
LittleBigPlanet
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
Monster Hunter 3
Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
SOCOM 4
Tekken 6
Time Crisis 4
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Warhawk
White Knight Story

PlayStation Network Exclusives

Released
Gran Turismo HD Concept
Super Stardust HD
Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection

Upcoming
Everyday Shooter
Gran Turismo 5: Prologue
Wipeout HD
Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier
Kingdom Hearts 3
Sly 4
TimeSplitters
Zone of the Enders 3 [Magazine Scan]

[its-turbo-time]

Sony added "motion contol" to their controller only AFTER Nintendo announced the Wii controller. Coincidence? Developers went on record saying that they had no idea there was motion sensor, and only had a matter of weeks to impliment it in their launch games.

Sony stole achievements, and pretty much feature-for-feature everything Microsoft put into Xbox Live.

Now, name one innovative or original idea in the PS3.

[satori]

Just bought a PS3 and it's fantastic. I love that I can stream media to my PSP through my PS3 from either my PC or PS3 over the internet. I can be on a business trip and watch any of the movies I have stored at home. I love that network play is free, something not worked into the price of a 360. I love that it's got a blueray player. That's it for me... it's great.

Cooter!

[sado]

Sony added "motion contol" to their controller only AFTER Nintendo announced the Wii controller. Coincidence? Developers went on record saying that they had no idea there was motion sensor, and only had a matter of weeks to impliment it in their launch games.

Sony stole achievements, and pretty much feature-for-feature everything Microsoft put into Xbox Live..

I hate to say this but there aren't patent laws on ideas. Yeah, sure you can say that you don't like it, as a gamer, but it doesn't matter. The market dictated that demand and they filled it, although so far they don't seem to be succeeding at either.

[sado]

I love that I can stream media to my PSP through my PS3 from either my PC or PS3 over the internet. I can be on a business trip and watch any of the movies I have stored at home.

IF you're at a wifi hotspot which I doubt you're using much except in your hotel but that is a small plus (if you can get it to work).


I love that network play is free, something not worked into the price of a 360.


True, you will have to pay for Xbox Live, however you have an expectation of the kind of service you will be receiving on it, with PSN right now its almost not even there and is really up to the developer in many cases as to whether the online is any good or not.


I love that it's got a blueray player.


Yep, it's the cheapest Bluray player out at the moment and is also actually a good DVD player. It definitely upscales DVDs better than the 360. You did however forget to mention one thing................what are you playing on it?

[satori]

IF you're at a wifi hotspot which I doubt you're using much except in your hotel but that is a small plus (if you can get it to work). got it up and running last night and it works well. I live in Toronto and our entire downtown core has free wireless through our local hydro company. I can do it through work which is good. Also once we get highspeed at the cottage I would probably watch my movies at night.



True, you will have to pay for Xbox Live, however you have an expectation of the kind of service you will be receiving on it, with PSN right now its almost not even there and is really up to the developer in many cases as to whether the online is any good or not.
True I haven't tried it too much yet, but so far I've been impressed with what is there. I'll have to take your word on this until I know better.



Yep, it's the cheapest Bluray player out at the moment and is also actually a good DVD player. It definitely upscales DVDs better than the 360. You did however forget to mention one thing................what are you playing on it?
Well I picked up Serenity yesterday and it was great.

[dark_shroud]

It definitely upscales DVDs better than the 360.
I don't recall the 360 being able to upscale DVDs, unless they added this to the elite.

[samureye]

Thanks for all the input guys, but I think I will have to go PS3, I love me some Metal Gear too much, same for Tekken which will be online. Ultimately, dealing with the 360 warranty will be a major pain. I don't care that it's 3 years, I don't want to ship it back, period. For international people you'd have to have someone in the US to send it to and have them send it to MS to have the warrany upheld and you'd still have to pay to ship it to and from the US. I haven't heard anything about PS3s being defective, nothing at all, and the online aspect is free which is cool. MGS4, GTA4, Tekken 6, UT3 Super Stardust HD, what more am I going to need for a while? Sure, 360 has a large choice but most will be on the PS3 anyway and how many games are you going to buy in any case?

As for playing online, it seems you just have to sign up as US and you will get it working fine so that's great to hear. As it is, I think I'll go with that $499 60GB PS3. Sorry Microsoft, I wanted to give you a chance but that console seems really unstable.

[stopikingonme]

Did you watch any of the E3 footage? The PS3 has a lot of games coming out this November. The only 360 exclusive that even comes to mind is Gears. So the better games argument doesn't hold up.

Gears, Bioshock, & Halo 3 are/will be coming out to the PC where they will better. So that only leaves Mass Effect.

And no the RRoD isn't just bad luck. It's the results of bad design from a company that was only concerned with getting out to market first. Every person I know who is a heavy gamer has had to replace their 360's a few times already from the various flaws, most of which are not covered by the 3 year warranty. My nephew's older brother had to buy a whole new system because his 1 year warranty was up. And that was his third, he's on his 5th 360 now.

And your list is crap, here's a better list for the PS3.

PlayStation 3 Exclusives Confirmed

Released [12 Titles]
Full Auto 2: Battlelines
Genji: Days of the Blade
Godfather: The Don's Edition, The
MLB '07: The Show
Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire
MotorStorm
Ninja Gaiden Sigma
Resistance: Fall of Man
Ridge Racer 7
Spider-Man 3: Collector's Edition
Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom
Virtua Fighter 5 [timed for 360]

Upcoming [81 Titles]
ActiveDogs Project

Afrika
Agency, The
Agaresu Senki [Record of Agarest War]
Airtight Project
Angel Link [Working Title]
Aqua Vita [YouTube]
Battle Field Valkyrie [Announcement]
Black Blade
CyberConnect2 Project [Announcement]
DC Universe
Diseaga 3
Driver 5
Dynasty Warriors 6
Eight Days
Ember [PlayThree]
EyeCreate
Eyedentify
Eye of Judgement, The
Fifth Phantom Saga
Final Fantasy XIII
Final Fantasy Versus XIII
Folklore
Getaway 3
Gradius
Gran Turismo 5
Gretzky NHL [Working Title]
Haze [Timed Exclusive]
Heavenly Sword
Heavy Rain
Home, PlayStation
Hot Shots Golf 5
inFAMOUS
Imabiksou [Scans]
Killzone 2
Lair
LittleBigPlanet
Little House in the Plateau [Working Title]
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
Megazone 23: Blue Garland
Metro 2033: The Last Refuge
Mist of Chaos
Monster Hunter 3
My Summer Holiday

Namco Bandai RPG Project
Namco Bandai Sports Project
Namco Bandai Shooter Project
NBA '08
Ni-Oh
Project D
Project Psychic [Working Title]
Quantic Dream Project [Thread]
Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
Railfan [Train Simulator Online]

Railfan Touwan Koutetsu
Romance of the Three Kingdoms
Redwood Falls
Sega's Toshihiro Nagoshi Project
SingStar
Sky Blue [YouTube]
SOCOM 4
Tears to Taira: Kakan no Daichi
Tekken 6
thatgamecompany Project #2 [untitled]
thatgamecompany Project #3 [untitled]
Time Crisis 4 [Including Guncon 3]
Tomb Raider 8
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Unreal Tournament III [+PC] [Timed Exclusive]
Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom
Vampire Rain: Altered Species
Wall, The [+ PC]
Wardevil
Warhawk
Way of the Samurai 3
White Knight Story
Yamasa DigiWorld DX
Zipper Interactive Project
PlayStation Network Exclusives

Released [14 Titles]

Blast Factor
Calling All Cars!
Cash Guns Chaos DLX
flOw
Go! Puzzle
Go! Sudoku
Gran Turismo HD Concept
Gripshift
Lemmings
Mortal Kombat II
Nucleus
Super Rub-a-Dub
Super Stardust HD
Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection

Upcoming [17 Titles]

Buu Buu Cocoreccho [Loco Roco]

EchoChrome
Elefunk
Everyday Shooter
Free Realms
Go! Sports Ski
Gran Turismo 5: Prologue
High Stakes on the Vegas Strip: Poker Edition
High Velocity Bowling
Metal Gear Solid: Online [Announcement]
Nobi Nobi Boy
Pain
Pixel Junk Racers
Snakeball
SOCOM: Confrontation
Toy Home
Wipeout HD
MultiPlatform Unknown Exclusives [1 Title]
Silent Hill 5 [Possibility]
Unknown Exclusive/Rumored Titles [14 Titles]

Digimon World Online [Wikipedia]
Epic Project [Announcement]
Final Fantasy VII [Possibility]
God of War 3
Hideo Kojima Project
Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier
Kingdom Hearts 3
Motorstorm 2 [Confirmed?]
Nine to Five [Speculation]
Resistance: Rise of Man [Box Art?]
Sly 4
TimeSplitters
Twisted Metal [Clown Cloud]
Zone of the Enders 3 [Magazine Scan]


You fail at life. Name one thing that was stolen from those systems. FYI, I had a motion sensor controller for my Sega Genesis.

Giggle...giggle giggle....fanboys are funny
(You fail at life...lmao)

[samureye]

What's the difference between what Dark Shroud and sado did?

[stopikingonme]

What's the difference between what Dark Shroud and sado did?

Other than say "You fail at life"....nothing really. Let us know how you like your PS3, -Cheers mate

[iccanui]

lets us know how you like it sam. I been thinking about getting one eventually, but i just got a Wii and a iPhone and a xbox and a ds all recently ... im set for a while hehe.

[samureye]

I will let you know. Getting the PS3, I don't need any memory cards right? It saves everything on the HD I take it? So all I need to get is the system and games and I am set?

[iccanui]

To my knowledge you dont need any. But honestly your getting in a area i dont know much about yet. But i believe its just like a xbox in that respect.

[satori]

I will let you know. Getting the PS3, I don't need any memory cards right? It saves everything on the HD I take it? So all I need to get is the system and games and I am set?

just picked one up, it's great so far. I downloaded Rampage and had a bunch of fun playing an old game... now I just need to get some time to pick up a new game. So far I have my PSP and my PS3 talking over the internet so I can play it on my psp as well.

[samureye]

Do you have to use your credit card or can you get a card in a store to buy from the PSN store? How much was Rampage?

[satori]

Do you have to use your credit card or can you get a card in a store to buy from the PSN store? How much was Rampage?I used my credit card, but It does talk about having money in your sony walet so yes I would assume that you could go right into a store. Rampage was $6 Canadian.

[samureye]

And you think you'd be able to change your online account over to US? Or create a sub-account as such? You're lucky they support your country out of the box but I am fairly certain lying will get you in.

[its-turbo-time]

Thanks for all the input guys, but I think I will have to go PS3, I love me some Metal Gear too much, same for Tekken which will be online. Ultimately, dealing with the 360 warranty will be a major pain. I don't care that it's 3 years, I don't want to ship it back, period. For international people you'd have to have someone in the US to send it to and have them send it to MS to have the warrany upheld and you'd still have to pay to ship it to and from the US. I haven't heard anything about PS3s being defective, nothing at all, and the online aspect is free which is cool. MGS4, GTA4, Tekken 6, UT3 Super Stardust HD, what more am I going to need for a while? Sure, 360 has a large choice but most will be on the PS3 anyway and how many games are you going to buy in any case?

As for playing online, it seems you just have to sign up as US and you will get it working fine so that's great to hear. As it is, I think I'll go with that $499 60GB PS3. Sorry Microsoft, I wanted to give you a chance but that console seems really unstable.
By the time PS3 is worth owning, for all those reasons you listed listed, A) 360 will be have been redesigned using 65nm chips (lower defect rates), and B) MGS4 will likely not be PS3 exclusive. UT3 and GTA4 are not PS3 exclusive. And PS3 is losing more exclusives to the 360, not the other way around. Just saying...

[samureye]

OK but...so what? At least the PS3 isn't plagued with these manufacturing problems. Wasn't the main complain the price? Well now the price is pretty much worth it. I'd love the get a 360, maybe I will turn around and still get it.

[pcdoc]

I own all three systems (360, PS3, Wii). From what I am reading you were primarily looking for an online experience. Microsoft has built their system around the online experience. Sony on the other hand just slapped the online experience as an afterthought. Yeah Yeah I know Sony has Home coming. But to me Home is just another revenue stream for them. The PS3 out of the box since it's release and it's current state just cannot compete with the 360. Now before I get marked as a 360 fanboy, I am not I own all three and my PS3 just collects dust. I turn on my 360 and I can see all my friends online, what they are playing and join in with a couple of clicks. Mind you all from the console, I don't have to be in a game first to see if I have a friend playing it.

Can the PS3 do that??? Ahhh.. the sound of silence, minus the crickets in the background.. LOL

[sado]

Thanks for all the input guys, but I think I will have to go PS3.

Good luck with it, feel free to add me when you get it ;).

[geekluv]

Well, I'm not going to bait one system against the other since I do not own a PS3. However, PCdoc is correct about the online experience with the 360. Now, I say this as a former Sony fangirl. I LOVE my Xbox 360, mainly because of Xbox live. I can't compare it to PS3 as I've never gotten my hands dirty on the PS network. I do intend to buy a PS3 soon, but I wouldn't trade my 360 for anything!

[samureye]

Well, I have a PS2, went online for the first time with Burnout3 and it was cool. I can understand the community aspect of the Xbox but the console's faultiness has me thinking twice. I wonder how people who had the PS2 and jumped to 360 feel about the control. My time with it had me saying it was cool at first, but I thought afterwards it was too large.

[filch]

IMHO, the 360 has the best controller out there. I don't have a PS3 yet, but it's the same as the PS2 anyway.

[sado]

I wonder how people who had the PS2 and jumped to 360 feel about the control. My time with it had me saying it was cool at first, but I thought afterwards it was too large.


My problem with the ps2/ps3 controller has always been that its too small, then again I have retardedly huge hands so maybe thats why. I still always feel like I am going to break my ps3 controller while playing it due to how I usually grip the controllers. I think that even though you like the ps2 controller you might be a little disappointed with it just because of the weight of the controller alone, then again maybe not. So with that being said I have to agree with filch.

I am enjoying both the ps3 and 360 but that community aspect of the 360 has me liking it more so than the ps3. Hopefully Home will change that but even if it doesn't I have all of the 'next-gen' consoles already so I honestly don't care because I know ill have a ton to play in the long run.

[samureye]

This (http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/13378) is why I have to go with PS3 more than anything...

[satori]

This (http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/13378) is why I have to go with PS3 more than anything...

dead link, what wat it?

Also, I just bought calling all cars for $9 Canadian, fun game.

[sado]

This (http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/13378) is why I have to go with PS3 more than anything...

And this is why I hate Gamevideos more than anything - they use 1up's servers.

:mad:

[mormonrage]

Assuming that's the MGS4 footage, gametrailers is super-fast:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/22703.html

[sado]

Assuming that's the MGS4 footage, gametrailers is super-fast:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/22703.html

Tried that one and for some reason it didn't load for me.

Edit: nm, works. Thanks.

[samureye]

Yeah, it's here. (http://www.destructoid.com/finally-metal-gear-solid-4-gameplay-video-36244.phtml) I love it! Argghhh! And Metal Gear Online!

And good news, I got online with my PS2 - anyone have Burnout 3 by chance? I take it since i got on with the PS2 the PS3 will be no different.

[dark_shroud]

I will let you know. Getting the PS3, I don't need any memory cards right? It saves everything on the HD I take it? So all I need to get is the system and games and I am set?

This is correct. You do not need any memory cards at all. In fact you can use SD cards to take your saves on the go to a friends house. I can get generic 1gig SD cards for under $10.

Also, the PS3 lets you upgrade your HD without any problems. You pop the old one out and put the new one in. You start the PS3, tell it to format the new HD, it formats, then you're done. It's that easy. I've got my eye on a nice 160gig hd.

[drghoo]

If that's true that's pretty sweet of Sony to let you do that. That'll really come in handy when they have alot more downloadable content.

[satori]

It's true, the instructions on swapping out the drive come with the unit. This is why I'm confused why anyone would bother buying an 80 gig version for $100 more U.S. when you could simply buy a new 80 gig drive for $60 and still have the old one if you ever needed it.

[samureye]

Well in that case I should try getting the 60GB version.

[zoomtechtv]

Wait...so if I use that router...which is wireless, then I need to buy the wireless adapter for the 360, don't I? I wonder how good that will be on a 512 down, 128 up connection? :s I do need a wireless router but is it possible to use a wireless router to route a wired connection as well? So, the idea is I could use the router to plug directly into the 360 and have wireless for the laptops. Argh, I have no experience with Wireless yet so I will have so many questions.

Read this first

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/connecttolive/xbox360/homenetworking/equipment.htm

[filch]

Wait...so if I use that router...which is wireless, then I need to buy the wireless adapter for the 360, don't I? I wonder how good that will be on a 512 down, 128 up connection? :s I do need a wireless router but is it possible to use a wireless router to route a wired connection as well? So, the idea is I could use the router to plug directly into the 360 and have wireless for the laptops. Argh, I have no experience with Wireless yet so I will have so many questions.

Yes, you can use both the physical ports and the wireless capability at the same time. I have the 360 connected via ethernet while still using the wireless for my laptop and other machines. No config will be necessary, just plug it in.

You don't need to buy the wireless adapter for the 360, even if you want to use wireless. You can buy a wireless bridge for $40 cheaper than the adapter. With a small amount of router config, you can be up and running.

[dark_shroud]

Here is a good quality wireless bridge that several people over at digg said worked with their 360s. It's now on my list of hardware to buy.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833162168

[masterxell]

For this question, I personally do not believe my opinion counts. I used to be a huge Playstation fan (Even close to fanboy status) until midway through the life of the PS2, when I realized that the PS2 was getting what I felt was worse and worse games. I had a Xbox when it came out (A friend who was a Fanboy of the Xbox actually bought it for me when I broke my neck) and I played Halo, from that day forward I was in love with Xbox. The Xbox practically invented good Console Online Multiplayer gaming in my opinion. Xbox Live is totally where online console gaming is at. The Xbox 360 only further cemented that truth. Sony's Playstation 2 didn't have much when it came to online, yeah it had some, but it wasn't anything great. The PS3 has potential but in my personal view I don't believe it will truly best the 360, which has been out longer, companies say it's easier to program for, the 360 is cheaper, though it does lack the HD-Dvd playback without the Drive I find it to be the better choice in the long run. I do plan on getting a PS3 at some point, there are exclusives like Uncharted that I believe will be reasons to own the system (I will not mention MGS4 simply because they are talking about porting it because the PS3 doesnt have the fanbase Konami is really looking for, for the game to be a true money maker) So I say for the start of a new console, go for the Xbox 360, and wait for the PS3 to actually get games worth your time.

[samureye]

Yes but I won't get a 360 because:
*don't want to have to return the console considering it's, you know, faulty
*not a fan of the controller
*no games interest me there, my time with Halo was meh, same for Gears of War
*games I want are on the PS3, namely MGS4 and Tekken

[masterxell]

Yes but I won't get a 360 because:
*don't want to have to return the console considering it's, you know, faulty
*not a fan of the controller
*no games interest me there, my time with Halo was meh, same for Gears of War
*games I want are on the PS3, namely MGS4 and Tekken


*The red ring of death, yeah some consoles have that problem, it's inevitable but that doesn't mean the console in and of itself is totally faulty, I've never had any problems with mine, and I've had it since day 1. I waited 17 hours in the pouring rain for it.
*The controller in my opinion is one of the most comfortable controllers i've ever held, It's certainly a lot better then the original Xbox.
*I feel you for Gears of War, I just beat it and was like (I dont really wanna play this anymore). But between the two consoles, its almost truly pointless to worry because atleast like 90% of the games get released on both systems. Grand Theft Auto IV, I feel will be better on the 360, and Rockstar has even said that it will be better on the 360, and have a longer life because of the Downloadable content. Halo 3 will be great, and I've always enjoyed it's multiplayer. Xbox Live is a far better online system then I feel even sony can produce (Though, I do admit, their "Home" is a pretty neat idea, but it's very second life). Guitar Hero 2 (Though I am sure Guitar Hero 3 for the PS3 will have it too) has Downloadable songs which is great for people like me who never got Guitar hero 1, but enjoyed a lot of the songs from it (Killer Queen FTW). I know Sony will release a lot of things for their online system as well, but You cant go wrong with Live (Plus, the Achievements I think was a wonderful idea to do by Microsoft, It's nothign special, but you really get to see who has done what)
*The games you want, will mostly end up on the 360, maybe not on release day (Though, idk about MGS4 because like I said, Konami president did say that for the game to be profitable they would have to release it on the 360 because PS3 doesnt have the install base right now). It's inevitable that most of the games will make their way to the 360 and vice-versa. I own a 360 and I am absolutely pleased with it, and I do plan on getting a PS3 at some point (Mostly really for the Blu-Ray aspect of it, but also a fair amount of games) but for the price, right now, the 360 has it. Atleast in my opinion.

[samureye]

Yeah, some people will get some units with no problem, but currently the rate is about 33% and I don't want to deal with that.
Maybe the controller will grow on me, who knows.
XBL looked cool but my first point trumps all.
No Xbox games excite me. I didn't enjoy Halo or GoW, on the PS2 I LOVE MGS 2 and 3.

Hardly any games excite me, but MGS4 is off the charts for me, same for Tekken.

For the price, PS3 has it.
PS3 console - $499

Xbox 360 - $349, assuming the price drop (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/29/toys-r-us-ad-shows-xbox-349-price-drop/) is real.
HD DVD add-on - $179 (total $528)
Wireless connectivity online? - $100 (even if it was 50 it's still expensive)
Xbox Live - $50 per year
That's almost 700 if you want what the PS3 can do out of the box. With the PS3 you can add a larger HD and install Linux, online is free and wireless is standard now.

[dark_shroud]

(Though, idk about MGS4 because like I said, Konami president did say that for the game to be profitable they would have to release it on the 360 because PS3 doesnt have the install base right now).
The President and more importantly Kojima both said it would be a PS3 exclusive. It doesn't matter what Konami wants because Kojima's production studio did/does all the work on MGS and Kojima owns the IP.

Also the game would have to be completely re-written to be put on the 360. And that would suck up the rest of the profits and loose more money as none of the previous Metal Gear ports made money.

[samureye]

If you watch the video, you'd know that Snake uses a Sixaxis contoller to control the mini metal gear. I'd love to see them have that on the 360 haha.

[sarian-rogue]

Yes but I won't get a 360 because:
*don't want to have to return the console considering it's, you know, faulty
*not a fan of the controller
*no games interest me there, my time with Halo was meh, same for Gears of War
*games I want are on the PS3, namely MGS4 and Tekken

Get a 360. I don't have a PS3 mainly because of the price, but if I would have to choose all over, I would get a 360.

*I had to get mine repaired, but it only took two weeks and with a three year warranty I don't see why anyone would be worried about it breaking.

*Why? It's bigger than the PS3 controller but it fits your hands better. I think both controllers are about equal.

*Assassin's creed, bioshock, mass effect, Rainbow 6 Vegas, guitar hero II, viva pinata, Forza, DiRT...the list goes on, can't think of any more off the top of my head but there's plenty. Sure, some may be PS3 on the PS3 also but 360 does have great exclusives.

*Meh...MGS3 was OK. Never played MGS1 or MGS2. Not a fan of fighting games so Tekken isn't very important for me.

Xbox 360 is cheaper too...with all the stuff about price drops, I'm not sure of the prices but I think the PS3 is down to 499 on 60Gig and 360 is 400 for premium but there's two leaked ads from different department stores showing it will be down to $350 some time in august. Of course, the ads could be shopped, but they look authentic, with all the blurriness you would expect from leaked ads. You could get a 360 and a couple games or a PS3 and no games for the same price.
That's my take, although I will probably get a PS3 if the price goes sub-400 anyway.




EDIT: wow, like 3 posts in the time I wrote this.
The 360 does cost more with all the upgrades.....forgot about those; Touche.


Maybe I'm bias because I only have a 360, (and a Wii, but that's irrelevent) but I'm in love with my 360.

[samureye]

Yeah I think you are biased but not a big deal.

*You're playing off sending a faulty console to repair as if it is nothing. It's not nothing, it's faulty and I'm not buying a faulty piece of equipment.

*Don't you think some people may prefer the PS3 controller? I love my PS2 controller.

*Assassin's creed - On PS3
Bioshock - You can't play Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
mass effect - Ratchet and Clank
Rainbow 6 Vegas = On PS3
guitar hero = on PS2, PS3 can play games
viva pinata - little big planet on PS3
Forza - I think we have some game called Gran Turismo HD or something, ever heard of it?
DiRT - on PS3

*MGS is huge for me, as is Tekken, grew up with those. I love fighting games. How badly I want Marvel Vs Capcom online....

Mass effect looks interesting, not sure if I'd want to play it.

[filch]

Yeah, some people will get some units with no problem, but currently the rate is about 33% and I don't want to deal with that.

I've been hearing this over and over and I said I was done with saying either way for either system, but I have to chime in. That 33% failure rate number was based on an independent article written where there was an unscientific sample taken. They called a handful of stores and asked some reps how many they've sold and had returned. Out of my 5 friends that have 360's, they ALL are on their first ones, including me from launch. So according to that poll, failure rate is 0%. Now of course this is tongue-in-cheek, I don't believe the failure rate is 0%, that's just not true, but I don't believe the failure rate is 33% either.

And yes there is 3 year warranty on the system. MS is not going to just let the problems that are occurring continue and take major $$ hits in the pocket. They've identified the problem and have updated their production. There's photos of newer 360's out there with the heatpipe cooling upgrades in them. I don't think the issue will be around much longer, plus, you still get a 3yr warranty to boot.



No Xbox games excite me. I didn't enjoy Halo or GoW, on the PS2 I LOVE MGS 2 and 3.

Hardly any games excite me, but MGS4 is off the charts for me, same for Tekken.


Can't argue with that. If you're not interested in the exclusive games, well that's a no brainer. That pretty much settles any other argument.



Xbox 360 - $349, assuming the price drop (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/29/toys-r-us-ad-shows-xbox-349-price-drop/) is real.
HD DVD add-on - $179 (total $528)
Wireless connectivity online? - $100 (even if it was 50 it's still expensive)
Xbox Live - $50 per year
That's almost 700 if you want what the PS3 can do out of the box. With the PS3 you can add a larger HD and install Linux, online is free and wireless is standard now.

Okay, lets be fair here. The $499 PS3 is of finite quantity according to all the latest sources. It won't be around forever. You have to purchase your own HD cables and headset. Still, as of now, the deal is good and I'm close to pulling the trigger. I just want some games to play now, of which there are few and far between. Now I have a 360, and I'm not pushing people away from PS3. I love my 360, I highly recommend it. There's also cool stuff about the PS3 and I probably will get one, if the promised games materialize. Some people seem a little hellbent against one system or the other, based on the one they chose, and/or a case of deep set fanboyitis (you have to admit that's a factor). I'm not making specific accusations here, just saying that it's out there. Also, the people with the most credo on this topic are the ones with both systems, and I tend to weight their opinions a little more heavily.

Finally, there's niggling points for either side of the camp. I think there's enough information around for people to be able to make decision over which way they'll go. It's going to be the finer points that sway people either way. And further down the line maybe those lines will shift more towards one system or the other, time will tell. Either way, there's a plethora of data for people to peruse to help them make their decision. I just hope we can end the debate sometime soon :)

[samureye]

I want to get aa 360, there's no doubt about it. If the premium cost as much as the core I would definately get it but as it is, no, mainly because of the failure rate of the Xbox which might not be 33% but certainly is more than the PS3.

To be fair on the Xbox vs 360 thing in terms of price - I guess it depends on the person.

The system costs $399 and add-ons are for what you want to do. Do you want HD-DVD? Then add on $179. Don't need wireless? Forget the extra $100. Not gaming online? $50 a year isn't needed.

PS3 doesn't have a headset come with it nor HD cables. Not a big deal since I don't have an HDTV.

At the end of the day it's the games, which I think Sony will be able to catch up with soon enough, give it time, and the console reliability. I never had the original Xbox but I had a PS1 and still have a PS2, both of which never gave trouble and never had widespread problems like the 360, so why am I going to take a chance on something I never owned when Sony has done a good job twice before?

That's not to say I don't want to get the 360, played one by a friend and Live looks sweet, the blade system seems nice, but I know the PS controller and Home looks like fun.

[satori]

You have to purchase your own HD cables and headset.

A component cable is included with the PS3, what you don't get is an HDMI cable. Seeing as you can pick up an HDMI cable for $5 I don't know how this is a big deal... it also doesn't include a couch, maybe we should point that out as well. :p;)

[mormonrage]

Component isn't included--composite is. But yeah, a $5 HDMI cable isn't a big deal. But it's a bummer when you open the box.

[satori]

lol, mistyped, I just finished reading about component. Point is that it can be hooked up out of the box. Just pick up a $5 after you get it if you need an HDMI cable. Pesonally I haven't needed or wanted a headset yet.

[filch]

I can just as well say that I don't need wireless or Live, but that was my point. If you're going to call 360 out for stuff that it doesn't come with that the PS3 does, then you have to do the reverse. Whats in the box versus what isn't is all I'm saying.

I do have to say though that I'm annoyed that instead of a box to connect my cables to on the 360, the 360 cable IS the component cables itself. So I'm relegated to their cable quality and length. If my A/V rack was located far from the tv input, I'd be screwed. In a lot of home theaters, that is the case.

[satori]

I can just as well say that I don't need wireless or Live, but that was my point. If you're going to call 360 out for stuff that it doesn't come with that the PS3 does, then you have to do the reverse. Whats in the box versus what isn't is all I'm saying.

I do have to say though that I'm annoyed that instead of a box to connect my cables to on the 360, the 360 cable IS the component cables itself. So I'm relegated to their cable quality and length. If my A/V rack was located far from the tv input, I'd be screwed. In a lot of home theaters, that is the case.

yeah, I take your point, I would only add that the price difference on a Wireless connection and Live is for the 360 is considerably more expensive than an HDMI cable or headset if you needed one. Makes me wonder why Sony includes all these great features and then skipped the cheap HDMI.

[darknessgp]

...

For the price, PS3 has it.
PS3 console - $499

Xbox 360 - $349, assuming the price drop (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/29/toys-r-us-ad-shows-xbox-349-price-drop/) is real.
HD DVD add-on - $179 (total $528)
Wireless connectivity online? - $100 (even if it was 50 it's still expensive)
Xbox Live - $50 per year
That's almost 700 if you want what the PS3 can do out of the box. With the PS3 you can add a larger HD and install Linux, online is free and wireless is standard now.

just for filch, We should tack on $5 (for HDMI (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812189053)) and $35 (Decent Headset can go cheaper (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2003990565+1362824733&name=Bluetooth+Headset))

Umm, that still only puts the PS3 at $540 compared to the $680 360 with same/similar feature set... Seriously filch, it's never been about what any one user wants/needs, price comparison like this is always about what makes them have as close to the same features. And honestly, I think I would be more pissed off at the 360 if I had to buy, for example, a wireless adapter if I didn't already know it would not come with it.

[filch]

O.o

So based on your logic, being that it's pricepoint over what the buyer WANTS from his system, then the perfect solution here is to get a Wii. I mean, it's the cheapest of all 3. Since the games, the HD capability, whether it has wireless capability, online, headsets, don't matter, then that is obviously the best choice here.

[samureye]

O.o

So based on your logic, being that it's pricepoint over what the buyer WANTS from his system, then the perfect solution here is to get a Wii. I mean, it's the cheapest of all 3. Since the games, the HD capability, whether it has wireless capability, online, headsets, don't matter, then that is obviously the best choice here.
Nope, Wii has no next-gen format. Can it even play DVDs? If it had Blu-ray that would be best.

[satori]

Atari 2600 ftw with that logic. :D

also if we're trying to get these two on par the PS3 has full 1080p where as the 360 doesn't... but then the PS3 doesn't have close to as large a library as the 360 does right now. I'm big on the PS3, but I don't think there is a lot wrong with the 360 either and would consider getting one if the circumstances were right. We're all TRSers, lets get along. :)

[samureye]

We weren't getting along? News to me.

[filch]

We weren't getting along? News to me.

I feel the love :)

Pong FTW.... ;)

And what do you mean 360 doesn't do full 1080p? It does. It was updated long ago to provide support for the HD-DVD drive. HA! I WIN I WIN. K, it's over. Yay me!

[samureye]

Nu-uh. If this needs to turn into a Scrabble vs Monopoly argument all bets are off.

[filch]

There's no dice in scrabble, that defaults to Monopoly. Oh, and die cast pieces........ like a car, and an iron.... burn!

man, that was an easy one.

[samureye]

Indeed...connect 4 or uno?

[sarian-rogue]

I do have to say though that I'm annoyed that instead of a box to connect my cables to on the 360, the 360 cable IS the component cables itself. So I'm relegated to their cable quality and length. If my A/V rack was located far from the tv input, I'd be screwed. In a lot of home theaters, that is the case.
Actually...
http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=802686
Sure it is $30 extra but its worth it for the fan itself, since the 360 could fry an egg. Plus you get to use any cables you want (minus HDMI) and you get three extra USB ports.

[filch]

Indeed...connect 4 or uno?

Easy ,

Uno, it's multiplayer.

[samureye]

Well done, my friend...












Curling or Lacrosse?

[filch]

Curling or Lacrosse?

hrmmmm...
I've played neither so it's hard to say..... damn, stumped.

[darknessgp]

O.o

So based on your logic, being that it's pricepoint over what the buyer WANTS from his system, then the perfect solution here is to get a Wii. I mean, it's the cheapest of all 3. Since the games, the HD capability, whether it has wireless capability, online, headsets, don't matter, then that is obviously the best choice here.

My point was more that you can't argue what the buyer wants, when the initial argument is about price point for the same features. If it is off what the user wants, then for example, wireless is a huge deal to me. I've already got a .11g network and wouldn't want to spend extra to get it. But also, I don't like using headsets while playing multiplayer, so I'll be spending money on something I don't need if I go with a 360?

I agree with you, ultimately it comes down to the person who is buying and what their needs are. However, one can not simply make a statements of the 360 is cheaper or the PS3 is more expensive without providing details. I'm not saying you did this, but I've heard it from a lot of hardcore 360 people say that the 360 is soo much cheaper, when it might be for their specific setup, but it isn't for everyone or when you match the features of the PS3.

Oh and Connect 4 is so about multiplayer. It's hardcore 1v1.

[samureye]

hrmmmm...
I've played neither so it's hard to say..... damn, stumped.

Good answer, they're both idiotic. Touche again.