View Full Version : Rev3 becoming too corporate?
meyert11
09-13-2007, 02:12 AM
I've been watching diggnation since episode 1, was a screensavers and TechTV fan, and have been giving the 5 bucks a month since you guys first asked. I love the idea of Rev3, but it seems like something is changing.
(1) I'm afraid that making the Gazette show exclusive only to members and never released for free, seems to run counter to everything I've liked about Rev3.
(2) I have no problems with sponsors, but its seeming like more often you guys seem to 'love' the sponsors products. This is also contrary to what you guys previously did. This may just be coincidence.
acidburn
09-13-2007, 02:20 AM
(1) I'm afraid that making the Gazette show exclusive only to members and never released for free, seems to run counter to everything I've liked about Rev3.
(2) I have no problems with sponsors, but its seeming like more often you guys seem to 'love' the sponsors products. This is also contrary to what you guys previously did. This may just be coincidence.
Maybe they are just only accepting sponsorship from products they like and would use.
ryudo
09-13-2007, 02:50 AM
So you are faulting a corporation for acting like a corporation.
erm..oookaaaaay...
scoobydiesel
09-13-2007, 03:21 AM
haha....eer
I'm guessing they are picking up sponsers that they like and not just crap they get paid for or whatever.
Also if your a member and get the bonus stuff...why complain about it? i understand other done get it but maybe they can find away to cough up some cash? I dunno its a cool LITTLE show thats a added bonus to paying members.
meow.
masherscf
09-13-2007, 03:26 AM
Hey, thanks for finally posting.
I'm not sure how the present income structure differs from what you think would be ideal. However, people gotta eat.
Do you remember how Revision3 was "at the beginning?" They released a few eps of "SYSTM" and then ... nothing. The kind of open source, people will be cool and support us just 'cause wasn't working.
Why do they need sponsors and subscriber exclusives? Because, too many of their downloaders believe in the free ride. Kevin Rose expected the community to rise up and support him. Many did, but it clearly wasn't enough.
Revision3 needs money to grow. That mean VC. That mean people who like a viable business plan and not vague open source dreams. That mean answering to people that do care about money.
Revision3 has changed. It's better. It's smarter. They've got the tools and the talent. They just need to pay for it.
Why poo-poo their attempts to make the business viable?
so maybe they want to be dot.com billionaires
it is as legitimate a goal as being a movie star or a model or a madonna or a jk rawlings or an oprah
you give apple your $ happily
you use google search
you even use microsoft
so why begrudge revision3
vc capital implies capitalism
it is hardly a crime or radically uncool
mikwit
09-13-2007, 08:05 PM
so maybe they want to be dot.com billionaires
it is as legitimate a goal as being a movie star or a model or a madonna or a jk rawlings or an oprah
you give apple your $ happily
you use google search
you even use microsoft
so why begrudge revision3
vc capital implies capitalism
it is hardly a crime or radically uncool
But you see, thats not what revision3 was about at the beginning. From what I could tell, they used to be about openness and honesty. I don't have the quote but in one of the earlier diggnations [maybe the first one that was sponsored by the zune] they said something to the effect of "We'll be honest with you about these sponsors, they only pay us to talk about it." Maybe I'm wrong with that one, but that was my understanding. Also, Rev3 used to release all their shows under creative commons, now some are copyrighted. I can and will only speak for myself, but I do not like the direction that rev3 is headed with 'donor only' shows and early releases.
phatlip12
09-13-2007, 08:29 PM
But you see, thats not what revision3 was about at the beginning. From what I could tell, they used to be about openness and honesty. I don't have the quote but in one of the earlier diggnations [maybe the first one that was sponsored by the zune] they said something to the effect of "We'll be honest with you about these sponsors, they only pay us to talk about it." Maybe I'm wrong with that one, but that was my understanding. Also, Rev3 used to release all their shows under creative commons, now some are copyrighted. I can and will only speak for myself, but I do not like the direction that rev3 is headed with 'donor only' shows and early releases.
Thats because the "open" idea doesnt work. Rev3 tried operating on a donation only basis, it didnt work. They offered "perks" (early downloads) in the hopes that people would pay to get the content earlier (while still releasing it for free) which only resulted in moans and groans and crying.
In order for Revision3 to exist they have to have sponsorship for their shows. The chief complaint with paid memberships is they didn't offer enough to paying members so there offering behind the scenes content (something promised back on the OLD Revision3 site, so this concept really isn't anything new).
mrpopular
09-13-2007, 08:44 PM
i dunno i'm up in the air. I wish there was just a Donate button and you could donate freely. and it wasn't forced. i'd throw $5-$10 when i could. but i'm not gonna pull $60 for a year.
They should include member stuff for merchandise owners. I bought my Digg hat. I helped give some $$$$
esophagus
09-13-2007, 08:45 PM
But you see, thats not what revision3 was about at the beginning. From what I could tell, they used to be about openness and honesty. I don't have the quote but in one of the earlier diggnations [maybe the first one that was sponsored by the zune] they said something to the effect of "We'll be honest with you about these sponsors, they only pay us to talk about it." Maybe I'm wrong with that one, but that was my understanding. Also, Rev3 used to release all their shows under creative commons, now some are copyrighted. I can and will only speak for myself, but I do not like the direction that rev3 is headed with 'donor only' shows and early releases.As far as I can tell they are still extremely "open" and "honest". The shows aren't going to sponsor thigns they hate, and thigns they hate, aren't going to offer to sponsor. For example, iFanboy has Netflix as a sponsor. They also happen to all use it religiously, along with a large majority of their regular forum posters. If netflix stopped sponsoring them, and Blockbuster offered, I am fairly sure they would turn it down.
As for that quote, that doesn't mean they hated the product. That just means they wouldn't mention it in every episode, if there wasn't any money in it.
scoobydiesel
09-13-2007, 10:36 PM
They should include member stuff for merchandise owners. I bought my Digg hat. I helped give some $$$$
Ha yeah i have a few things too..Diggnation shirt, Digg shirt, CAC shirt, Rev3 shirt....But hell they feel good and i like the look and the meaning behind them so i guess the money i spent on them was already worth that alone...
masherscf
09-13-2007, 10:47 PM
i dunno i'm up in the air. I wish there was just a Donate button and you could donate freely.
But you can, there's just no button for it. There's nothing stopping anyone from sending money to Revision3 using Paypal. You just won't get the early and extra content because Revision 3 uses Paypal subscriptions to track donating members.
It's common in fundraising to give out special perks for different levels of donations. It's actually a respected practice.
Feel free to donate anything you can afford though.
ariastar
09-14-2007, 01:29 AM
When you grow something, be it a simple website or a flower, there are costs involved, the bigger the more money needed. Are you seriously going to complain that that aren't going to fund every penny of this out of the goodness of their hearts? They have to make rent and eat too, you know.
meyert11
09-14-2007, 02:38 AM
I appreciate all of the different viewa, and I can see where their coming from with the, we gotta eat too answer. Here's why I don't think it adds up:
(1) Rev3 got large VC investments before they began acting like this. Therefore, the VCs saw a unique way to run a company and reach a unique demographic, that's what paid off that would lead to more add revenue.
(2) If Rev3 needs more of our money, then use some creativity, not the traditional 'members only' line. Heres an example: why not post a list of shows and their possible contents. Then have donations towards each show, the one that raises the most money gets the production. The number of money and viewers participating can then be used to negotiate sponsors and adds. Was that so hard? No, its along the lines of original digg thinking, give the people the power.
My main point is that the recent trends within Rev3 leave a bad taste in my mouth. I feel like they are expanding so fast that it is forcing them to need a much larger stream of income, which is going to force them to get it from us.
blazes816
09-14-2007, 04:04 AM
Rev3 is great and is getting better. I love free things, but crying and moaning because they, GASP, are a business, is insane.
If rev3 wasn't rev3, then they would have made all the shows subscription only. Video podcasts, hard business to get a big profit in, but because it is like nothing else it gets a lot of attention. This website is really all about the fans, there isn't some other cause for the site and it shows through the awesome content.
phatlip12
09-14-2007, 05:41 AM
I appreciate all of the different viewa, and I can see where their coming from with the, we gotta eat too answer. Here's why I don't think it adds up:
(1) Rev3 got large VC investments before they began acting like this. Therefore, the VCs saw a unique way to run a company and reach a unique demographic, that's what paid off that would lead to more add revenue.
(2) If Rev3 needs more of our money, then use some creativity, not the traditional 'members only' line. Heres an example: why not post a list of shows and their possible contents. Then have donations towards each show, the one that raises the most money gets the production. The number of money and viewers participating can then be used to negotiate sponsors and adds. Was that so hard? No, its along the lines of original digg thinking, give the people the power.
My main point is that the recent trends within Rev3 leave a bad taste in my mouth. I feel like they are expanding so fast that it is forcing them to need a much larger stream of income, which is going to force them to get it from us.
But thats the thing, you don't HAVE to pay for the content. The shows themselves are still (and according to the company) will always be free. The only content that there asking money for is the behind the scenes stuff and this is nothing new. Revision3 mentioned giving behind the scenes content away on the OLD Revision3 site so that has nothing to do with them "expanding too fast".
Revision3 ISN'T a profitable company to date (according to Jay the old CEO about a month ago).
Handouts help and it would be nice if the company could sustain themselves off of that alone but its not enough. Such a system just doesn't work and theres no consistency.
steamboy741
09-14-2007, 07:19 AM
Everyone that has downloaded a show from Rev3 has contributed to the growth and success of the company. Whether or not you subscribe. Every time you download a video it helps Rev3 get ad revenue (More Downloads means more viewers = more sponsors wanting to advertise). So, in my view, to deny content to a loyal fan just because he or she has not been willing to pay 60 dollars a year is kinda a slap in the face. Clearly the non subscribers out number the paid members. If only the current Paid members visited the site then Rev3 wouldn't get as many sponsors. I can see giving some perks to paid members. I never had a issue with Diggnation coming out early for paid members. Paid members getting High Def is fine. But to create a show, (Like Gazette), and not at least open it up to everyone (Who help make this company what it is) a few days later is a big FU to the Fans. This is a gate way to charging for all content. And in the end its only going to force long time loyal fans to pirate the material.
Rev3 needs to keep in mind that without Fans there is no Rev3...
sugarsickness
09-14-2007, 07:24 AM
Everyone that has downloaded a show from Rev3 has contributed to the growth and success of the company. Whether or not you subscribe. Every time you download a video it helps Rev3 get ad revenue (More Downloads means more viewers = more sponsors wanting to advertise). So, in my view, to deny content to a loyal fan just because he or she has not been willing to pay 60 dollars a year is kinda a slap in the face. Clearly the non subscribers out number the paid members. If only the current Paid members visited the site then Rev3 wouldn't get as many sponsors. I can see giving some perks to paid members. I never had a issue with Diggnation coming out early for paid members. Paid members getting High Def is fine. But to create a show, (Like Gazette), and not at least open it up to everyone (Who help make this company what it is) a few days later is a big FU to the Fans. This is a gate way to charging for all content. And in the end its only going to force long time loyal fans to pirate the material.
Rev3 needs to keep in mind that without Fans there is no Rev3...
I'd say it is actually a very small FU and there is absolutely no reason to think that this one paid show will lead "to charging for all content."
Rev3 needs to keep in mind that without Fans there is no Rev3...
what does rev3 want a static but terribly 'in' status or an expanding universe of 'fans'
the founders went to school ~ was it free ?
they must be plenty creative otherwise they would not show up on the radar (entrepreneurship on the net is probably the most wide open potential ever)
do you pay for your isp ?
did you purchase an iphone ?
do you pay to access the internet on your phone ?
access is not free
so why should content be
though there is an admirable trend in vc to support social entrepenuership mostly they want a return on their investment
i doubt that rev 3 is the final frontier for its founders and for content of this general type
also these shows are created for geeks who are amongst the financial elite
why shouldn't it be profitable if it is good
if they became very successful and had an ipo a la google would you take the opportunity to invest and profit yourself ?
$60 a year is $5 a month
the cost of one frappucino venti at starbucks
tokenuser
09-14-2007, 02:54 PM
NPR radio stations produce content that is freely distributed to everyone with a radio. Similar distribution Rev3 has via the intarwebs - anyone with a computer can access their content.
Quarterly, NPR radio stations have pledge drives. Call it a subscription, call it a donation, call it a contribution ... people call in and give them money so that they can keep doing what they are doing.
As a THANKYOU for giving the donation, they give you a bunch of stuff - free CD, coffee mug, tshirt, dinner with the hosts, etc.
You dont donate, you dont get the bonus stuff.
What if Rev3 gave a CD with 2 bonus shows on it to everyone who donated? You all would be "Great ... cool stuff for giving them some money. Awesome." Others would be "meh, I'll keep listening but I am not going to give them money for it."
Now instead of a CD, they are distributing the content over the intarwebs and suddenly it is "OMFG!!!! Everything on the tubes is free. WTF am I going to pay for the extra stuff!!!111!!!11!!". If it was distributed on physical media, I doubt you would have the same reaction to the bonus content for paid members.
And for the haters - how many of you subscribe to TotalFark for the extra content??
As the founder of Revision3, let me get something off my chest.
Revision3 was founded with a simple vision: Internet-based television can work, without the restrictions, censorship and corruption that exists in traditional television. The creators of this content, bypassing the Hollywood system, can also make a living doing it.
Kevin came to me once and said, "Man, there is so much I would love to do on video, but I can't do it on T.V."
I proposed to him that I thought a business could be created, and that sponsors would pay to be on videos that were born out of the unencumbered efforts of people like him. I proposed that there was an audience for almost any repeat, serial, episodic video, and the trick was finding it.
I think at Revision3, we've proved that this audience not only exists for niches, they are much larger than television can do with its washed-out, dumbed-down television for the masses.
In short, there was a business here. Not volunteer, user-generated content, but a real, fund-able, profitable business to be built. That means costs and revenue. Studios and editing suites. Producers and writers. Yes, even a finance department.
When we started with Systm, and later Diggnation, we knew it was going to be an uphill battle. Originally we needed donations to help us stay afloat, so (literally) Kevin, Dan, David, Ron, Keith...and later Alex, and others, could get by without another "day job." Loyal fans helped us, and for that we are forever grateful. We had many people we had to pay, and we barely scraped by.
Once we proved the model was working (though we still have a while before we are profitable), we were able to get venture funding. Getting funded isn't just money to burn: It's part of a complex, detailed business plan where in theory, you get to positive, free cash flow (spend less than you earn) before you run out. Being venture funded isn't a license to not make money.
Meanwhile, the memberships grew. Over the past year, the question was asked, how do we reward the members who helped us get here? I agree that Revision3's general content will always be free. However, for those fans who want something extra, particularly for those who have helped us get to where we are, we wanted to reward them with something.
Our normal shows will be free for everyone. I think it's fair for us to give people who pay us a monthly fee something extra, and doesn't corrupt our business or principles.
One final note: The people who bypass the memberships, who love our content, are sending a message that they want memberships to go away. At least that is how we interpret it. How do you, the fans, feel about that?
Anyway... Know that our principles aren't compromised, and we're the same Revision3 we've always been. "Being corporate" was part of the goal, if you consider corporate meaning a real, operating business. However, anyone who visits Revision3 will tell you: The atmosphere there is far from dry, boring, cube life. This is not your grandad's cube farm. This is fun.
-Jay
masherscf
09-14-2007, 04:51 PM
As the founder of Revision3, let me get something off my chest.
***
-Jay
Thanks, Jay. I consider this subject closed.
As the founder of Revision3, let me get something off my chest.
Revision3 was founded with a simple vision: Internet-based television can work, without the restrictions, censorship and corruption that exists in traditional television. The creators of this content, bypassing the Hollywood system, can also make a living doing it.
Kevin came to me once and said, "Man, there is so much I would love to do on video, but I can't do it on T.V."
I proposed to him that I thought a business could be created, and that sponsors would pay to be on videos that were born out of the unencumbered efforts of people like him. I proposed that there was an audience for almost any repeat, serial, episodic video, and the trick was finding it.
I think at Revision3, we've proved that this audience not only exists for niches, they are much larger than television can do with its washed-out, dumbed-down television for the masses.
In short, there was a business here. Not volunteer, user-generated content, but a real, fund-able, profitable business to be built. That means costs and revenue. Studios and editing suites. Producers and writers. Yes, even a finance department.
When we started with Systm, and later Diggnation, we knew it was going to be an uphill battle. Originally we needed donations to help us stay afloat, so (literally) Kevin, Dan, David, Ron, Keith...and later Alex, and others, could get by without another "day job." Loyal fans helped us, and for that we are forever grateful. We had many people we had to pay, and we barely scraped by.
Once we proved the model was working (though we still have a while before we are profitable), we were able to get venture funding. Getting funded isn't just money to burn: It's part of a complex, detailed business plan where in theory, you get to positive, free cash flow (spend less than you earn) before you run out. Being venture funded isn't a license to not make money.
Meanwhile, the memberships grew. Over the past year, the question was asked, how do we reward the members who helped us get here? I agree that Revision3's general content will always be free. However, for those fans who want something extra, particularly for those who have helped us get to where we are, we wanted to reward them with something.
Our normal shows will be free for everyone. I think it's fair for us to give people who pay us a monthly fee something extra, and doesn't corrupt our business or principles.
One final note: The people who bypass the memberships, who love our content, are sending a message that they want memberships to go away. At least that is how we interpret it. How do you, the fans, feel about that?
Anyway... Know that our principles aren't compromised, and we're the same Revision3 we've always been. "Being corporate" was part of the goal, if you consider corporate meaning a real, operating business. However, anyone who visits Revision3 will tell you: The atmosphere there is far from dry, boring, cube life. This is not your grandad's cube farm. This is fun.
-Jay
ok i've made my choice especially after finding this
On July 15, 2003, he testified before the U.S. House of Representatives Select Committee on Homeland Security Subcommittee on Cybersecurity, Science and Research & Development, as part of an industry panel on "The Private Sector's Role in Keeping America's Cyberspace Secure."
as my
Which Revision3 star would you like to meet? (http://revision3.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9483)
There are two Jays at Revision3, folks.
samureye
09-15-2007, 12:13 AM
The other one is the evil twin brother of Gator!
I guess it's just the word "corporation" that insights anger and rejection in people. If it were too corporate, we wouldn't have the CEO or show hosts talk to us. But they do :D which makes this Revision3.
masherscf
09-15-2007, 12:32 AM
I guess it's just the word "corporation" that insights anger and rejection in people.
Not a "corporations" are evil. Some are actually friendly and beneficial entities. I don't know anyone who frowns at "Ben and Jerry's."
geeksunny
09-15-2007, 12:35 AM
The other one is the evil twin brother of Gator!
And cousin of Ricky Kang, and long lost relative to Orlando Bloom. :D
tempesta
09-15-2007, 01:08 AM
Thanks, Jay. I consider this subject closed.
damn right.
There are two Jays at Revision3, folks.
you are jay adelson are you not
There are two Jays at Revision3, folks.
don't be shy J.A. i won't stalk you unless you beg me to and send a private plane to south beach to facilitate matters :rolleyes:
njshadow
09-15-2007, 02:56 PM
Yeah but I think it's terrible that the Gazette is ONLY for paying members and that non-payers can NEVER EVER see it. I was really looking forward to that and now it's ruined. Yes, people need to eat, but with the overwhelming support from normal members as well, Revision3 would not be what it is today so they deserve a little something extra. To say that registered members have the same benefits as non-registered in kinda wrong in my opinion.
njshadow
09-15-2007, 03:04 PM
I guess I kinda understand. For every new employee that's, at least, $40-$50k added to the payroll. But still........
Yes, I'm Jay Adelson.
No, no stalkers please. :)
If you're really interested in this topic, I strongly encourage you to rent the move "The Corporation." It's a great view into corporations, and required viewing for anyone who wants to start a company with me. Heh.
Here's the Netflix URL:
http://www.netflix.com/Movie/60034810?trkid=73
-Jay
If you're really interested in this topic, I strongly encourage you to rent the move "The Corporation." It's a great view into corporations, and required viewing for anyone who wants to start a company with me. Heh.
-Jay
i don't remember saying so :rolleyes: but i might go for it (start a company with you)
i will view the assignment then you can give me the rest of the syllabus
;)
strongly encourage that's so cute :)
rabidbadger
09-15-2007, 11:06 PM
And if you wanna see what NOT to do watch Startup.com. (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/70003079?trkid=73)
From dot-com to dot-bomb, this docudrama follows the charismatic heads of an Internet startup company from their halcyon early days into the quagmire of contentious bickering that occurred when their company -- govWorks.com -- flamed out. Documentarians Chris Hegedus (The War Room) and Jehane Noujaim are poised front and center to capture the high hopes and heartache that have become inextricable parts of the wired world.
And if you wanna see what NOT to do watch Startup.com. (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/70003079?trkid=73)
i did watch that
Yes, I'm Jay Adelson.
No, no stalkers please. :)
If you're really interested in this topic, I strongly encourage you to rent the move "The Corporation." It's a great view into corporations, and required viewing for anyone who wants to start a company with me. Heh.
Here's the Netflix URL:
http://www.netflix.com/Movie/60034810?trkid=73
-Jay
Talking about corporations, check this out:
Democracy School (http://www.celdf.org/DemocracySchool/tabid/60/Default.aspx)
I went to this, and it blew me away. It covers some of the same topics as "the Corporation" but goes way more in depth (3 day workshop compared to a 60 minute movie). If you don't want to go pay $300 for some random class that was mentioned by some random person, then at least look for the book called Defying Corporations, Defining Democracy (a book of history and strategy) Edited by Dean Ritz.
Now, I know that Rev3 is a corporation, but for many reasons they aren't anything like the stereotypical "bad corporation". All of you know the reasons, I'll just shut up now.
Talking about corporations, check this out:
Democracy School (http://www.celdf.org/DemocracySchool/tabid/60/Default.aspx)
I went to this, and it blew me away. It covers some of the same topics as "the Corporation" but goes way more in depth (3 day workshop compared to a 60 minute movie). If you don't want to go pay $300 for some random class that was mentioned by some random person, then at least look for the book called Defying Corporations, Defining Democracy (a book of history and strategy) Edited by Dean Ritz.
Now, I know that Rev3 is a corporation, but for many reasons they aren't anything like the stereotypical "bad corporation". All of you know the reasons, I'll just shut up now.
actually i wish you wouldn't shut up
i would like you to start a thread
a general examination and consensus of corporate corruption
and ethical capitalism
actually i wish you wouldn't shut up
i would like you to start a thread
a general examination and consensus of corporate corruption
and ethical capitalism
Sounds like a good idea...but if I (we?) start a thread, then it would have to be a little more focused then that.
rabidbadger
09-16-2007, 09:45 PM
Eh, not really. Just start it anyway you want. We will narrow it down as it grows.
I'm interested too.
you start leem please ~ i already have my first comment but it doesn't belong in this thread
Eh, not really. Just start it anyway you want. We will narrow it down as it grows.
I'm interested too.
excellent :cool:
rabidbadger
09-16-2007, 09:58 PM
And LeeM. If that's you in your Av, you kinda cute!
/derail
masherscf
09-16-2007, 09:59 PM
And LeeM. If that's you in your Av, you kinda cute!
/derail
How can you tell? I see 2 hands and half a face...
rabidbadger
09-16-2007, 10:07 PM
dude, I'm a physiognomist, as a hobby... and a Pathognomist by trade.
(in other words: a starving artist)
masherscf
09-16-2007, 10:36 PM
dude, I'm a physiognomist, as a hobby... and a Pathognomist by trade.
(in other words: a starving artist)
ah yes, you find the abstraction appealing. It is a clever photograph.
excuse me i am going for dot.com billionaire generating krystal karma here
maybe we need a romance thread also for those easily distracted
;)
rabidbadger
09-16-2007, 11:21 PM
excuse me i am going for dot.com billionaire generating krystal karma here
maybe we need a romance thread also for those easily distracted
;)
No, we need LeeM to start the Dang thread we been talkin about. Then I can hit on him there! ;)
(Er, with my subtle wit and intellectual discourse)
Ok I'm making it now, sorry it took me so long. Title is simply Corporations in General Discussions.
And rabidbadger, if my Avatar were gay, he would probably be all over your avatar (or visa versa).
Talking about corporations, check this out:
Democracy School (http://www.celdf.org/DemocracySchool/tabid/60/Default.aspx)
I went to this, and it blew me away. It covers some of the same topics as "the Corporation" but goes way more in depth (3 day workshop compared to a 60 minute movie). If you don't want to go pay $300 for some random class that was mentioned by some random person, then at least look for the book called Defying Corporations, Defining Democracy (a book of history and strategy) Edited by Dean Ritz.
Now, I know that Rev3 is a corporation, but for many reasons they aren't anything like the stereotypical "bad corporation". All of you know the reasons, I'll just shut up now.
The Corporation isn't an instruction book, it's a documentary on the psychotic behavior of coporations.
The Corporation isn't an instruction book, it's a documentary on the psychotic behavior of corporations.
no wonder i am trepidatious
The Corporation isn't an instruction book, it's a documentary on the psychotic behavior of coporations.
i got the movie and have watched it twice
it is VERY disturbing
though it brings up an interesting point
are they psychotic which means out of touch with reality or are they psycopathic which means that they are in touch with reality do know the extreme harm they are causing but have no conscience and no remorse
do they not realize that no matter how much profit is generated how much wealth is created that they and their loved ones cannot avoid being aflicted by the resulting damage to the ecosystem = psychotic
or could they possibly be that brutally cold hearted to know and not care or not care enough = psychopathic
reminds me of joseph conrad's 'heart of darkness' one of the greatest books ever written
there is a movie with john malkovitch directed by nicolas roeg but i could not find it on netflix
but i did find a review
http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/121900/Heart-of-Darkness/overview
i'm going to watch it a couple more times
and i am going to email my ex ethics/philosophy prof and suggest he make it mandatory for his ethics class which is a required course for all business majors
ethics should be a required course for everybody in both high school and college for any and all majors
tokenuser
09-20-2007, 07:09 PM
I'd recommend watching Glengarry Glen Ross (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104348/). Required viewing for anyone in marketing, regardless of whether it is real estate, software, or advertising space.
popltree2
09-22-2007, 08:38 AM
I think it is funny that "corporation" has become this four-letter word. As if once you become a corporation, you lose all connection with the little people and are a "sell out". If anything, becoming a corporation will only serve to solidify Rev3 as a company and give them more money which they can then turn around and throw back into things like production.
nextgenxbox
09-22-2007, 08:46 AM
How you guys expect all the awesome Rev3 shows to arrive on our hard drives? Magic pixie dust? Bandwidth is expensive, servers are expensive. People that create the videos have to get paid. Office costs, equipment costs, etc.
It's a business, people. Rev3 is pretty much a TV network, only online. Do you think TV networks are not corporations?
As long as the shows keep coming, I don't mind sponsors and I don't mind if people get extra perks for subscribing. It's like UFC's site. You can become a member and get members only stuff. -- That model has been around for years and it nothing new. For Rev3 it is another revenue stream. They call it donations but we know it's a subscription service pretty much -- and hey, that's cool by me.
Just gimme my diggnation, trs, indigital, systm, pixelperfect, infected, etc... and I'll be happy! :)
masherscf
09-22-2007, 02:07 PM
How you guys expect all the awesome Rev3 shows to arrive on our hard drives? Magic pixie dust? Bandwidth is expensive, servers are expensive. People that create the videos have to get paid. Office costs, equipment costs, etc.
Dude, forget it. Some of these kids have never paid a bill in their life. Even the ones in college. Some believe that the recent VC investment was a license to spend money. It's a credit card with a huge spending limit. Eventually, that credit card has to get paid down. If not...bankruptcy.
that credit card has to get paid down. If not...bankruptcy.
venture capital is not a loan ~ they get a piece of the corporation and they get to tell you what to do
now how big a piece and how much they get to err 'influence' you depends on who you are ~ your background past accomplishments etc. but as shown in the movie startup.com the venture capitalist can end up taking over and replacing the original principals both principal people and the ventures original vision and principles
they get their money back either thru ipo the debt being transposed to stock or thru acquisition when the company is acquired by another such as google purchasing youtube
john doerr (http://www.forbes.com/finance/lists/99/2005/LIR.jhtml?passListId=99&passYear=2005&passListType=Person&uniqueId=2946&datatype=Person) is probably the most well know vc
and now happens to be an unusually good time for those seeking venture capital as the value of a 'good idea' vs good technology has risen dramatically
i once spoke to a vc on a cold call to bear stearns ~ i was transferred to someone who answered the phone simply 'dave'
dave told me 'we don't do less then ten million'
i laughed and we had a long talk
after a bit i realized i was talking to a major player and i asked him 'why are you talking to me'
'because i have been in the business for twenty years and i have seen more come from pure imagination than anything else'
'so you are telling me there is a market for imagination'
'yes'
'thank you'
that assurance was worth a lot and it was free for the asking though it required some ingenuity and luck to encounter someone who knew what they were talking about
greylock partners (http://www.greylock.com/portfolio/portfolio.cfm?cat=AllInvest) (digg revision 3) also provided capital to avid (http://www.avid.com/) (stock quote 27.82) a division of which is digidesign (http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?langid=100&)
digidesign develops pro tools
protools is white hot
both avid and pro tools have won oscars for their contribution to the film industry
optimus
09-22-2007, 07:13 PM
I have zero issues with the sponsors or the way they're presented on Diggnation thus far. I'd much rather watch and listen to ads than pay directly for the content (though I would like the ability to make "one time" donations to my favorite show). New merchandise might be cool, *shrug*.
"Corporate" Revision3 is rocking a lot harder than "Kevin's basement apartment" Revision3.
I recently wrote about (http://youmakemedia.com/2007/09/22/the-problems-with-revision3/) my issues with Rev3, and I don't think any of them are symptoms of them becoming "too corporate." If anything, they result from a lack of the structure that a little corporatism could bring. It will be interesting to see what the near future brings for Rev3, especially with shows like Tekzilla, and better standards for quality and regularity.