Vista a bomb?

[kdomingue]

So what do you people think of Vista??

I personally think it's going to be a joke; for the first few years atleast.

[treeninja]

What do I think?

I think I'm buying a Mac.

[pdesigns]

You should really listen to the podcast with Paul Thurrot if you think Windows Vista is a joke. From what he said (and he's a Windows GURU, unbiased fyi), Vista is no doubt way more secure than previous versions of Windows and has a lot in store for it. Also the whole Office 2007 suite is way better than any other previous version with it's ribbon menu.

I think it will turn out well -- the system specs might be a little high but I think with almost every Windows product there has always been speculation and criticism before its release.

[striker1211]

It's going to be the same as always. People who need it will update, and people who don't, won't. Why waste money you know. It's going to come on all new PCs so i'm gonna have to learn about it :(

[g33k0ft3ch]

Its going to bomb, but it will still be just like any other kind of Windows OS, people that are new to computing just think Windows is the only option. But it will bomb.

[noonebutme]

Vista's a result of what MS is - An OS that lacks direction and tries to do much. However, Vista is a few steps up from XP.

It's got better security for the most part - though the firewall being off by default on the server version confuses me - and it's kernel is remarkably more secure.

Hardware's fairly well supported - when i tried Vista, it recognized all my hardware right away without me having to install drivers - though i did update my graphics drivers.

Vista will allow people to access the internet easily without major difficulties. Great for the majority of the population. Not so much for the geek portion though.

[ouchast]

I've heard it has some kewl new features built-in...
Tough Im not sure im looking so much foroward for it.
It's proly going to be fun.

[f0xh0und]

I don't need Windows Media Center. In fact, right now (in Windows Vista Ultimate RC1 Build 5600) it looks like CRAP (nothing like Windows MCE 2005), and I REALLY don't need to spend $50-100 to upgrade my graphics card to a low to mid-end GAMING graphics card just to view some pretty (ugly, IMHO) GUI. Aero sucks. Finally, I REALLY, REALLY don't need to spend $400 on a piece of software just for the above-mentioned features and the ability to log on to a domain, encrypt files, etc. $400 is RIDICULOUS! What were they thinking!?

As long as the "more secure" kernel is there (that waits to be seen whether or not it is actually "more secure") and all of the OS' features are there (like Sleep, SuperFetch, ReadyBoost/Drive, Backup, etc.), I'll be happy. Although, I just have a "feeling" that MS will pull a cheap move on me and its consumers where they'll leave something out--like Backup will be missing from Windows Vista Home Basic and/or Windows Vista Home Basic won't be able to join a workgroup, and, therefor, Windows Vista's wonderful new networking feature will be pretty much useless. My worst fear is that Windows Vista Home won't be able to support 64-bit and/or dual CPUs/dual-core CPUs, or more than a gig of ram, or something to piss me off into switching to a mac. I can just feel it!

[nextgenxbox]

What's the point of a new Windows? Windows XP is pretty good in my opinion... what's the main difference between XP and Vista? Security? Or is it pretty much support for new dual and quad and 64bit processors?

[sean89]

What's the point of a new Windows? Windows XP is pretty good in my opinion... what's the main difference between XP and Vista? Security? Or is it pretty much support for new dual and quad and 64bit processors?

If you ask any computer expert they will tell you that XP is a mess! Here is a pretty good comparison:
http://www.bentuser.com/article.aspx?ID=332&page=1

[f0xh0und]

What's the point of a new Windows? Windows XP is pretty good in my opinion... what's the main difference between XP and Vista? Security? Or is it pretty much support for new dual and quad and 64bit processors?

windows xp was good. it's a helluva lot better than windows 9x/me. it's more stable and has multi-user support (among other things).

my main gripe with windows xp is the lack of... well, multi-user support within windows and certain... A LOT of applications (i don't know how many times i've had to move a start menu folder from my admin account to the "all users" folder).

one nice thing about windows vista (besides the supposedly more secure kernel) is the adaptation of that multi-user support. the extension of its capabilities. for example, now, to change a setting within the control panel, you no longer have to switch users and switch back; because we all know there are just some things you can't do within a windows console (which, if you were in your limited user account, had to be run using the runas command). furthermore, now, if you need to do something within a windows console, you no longer have to a) find mmc.exe and select runas or b) goto start-run-cmd and type "runas /profile /env /user:mydomain\..."

however, IMHO, this should have been implemented in windows xp. i don't know if this and a more secure kernel are enough to make me spend $200 just for home basic to upgrade.

[nation]

tried it, it's beautiful!

[muffins]

It looks really nice. Functionality wise...well it has a bit to be desired. First of all its really clunky. Also even on my high-end PC it was choppy and had some issues. I think they still have a lot to work on before releasing it.

[nation]

Yes indeed! Im sure it would be some good shit!

[f0xh0und]

If you ask any computer expert they will tell you that XP is a mess! Here is a pretty good comparison:
http://www.bentuser.com/article.aspx?ID=332&page=1

wow, i just went through that ENTIRE article, and, reading through it, i discovered that there wasn't a single thing discussed in that article that i wanted out of windows vista. wow. just... wow is all i can say.

i don't care for aero. i don't care for scrolling programs in the start menu, i don't care for switcher (i'll user alt-tab, TYVM), preview tooltips is kinda nice, but i don't REALLY need it. my computer... *sigh* i don't know if i like explorer better or not this way (the way it is in windows vista). i liked my menus and a unified viewing scheme. for example, why do some folders open up to a "large icons" view, some to a "details" view, and some to a "tiles" view (which, IMHO, is pretty ugly in windows vista)? also, i think i want my address bar back. otherwise, how am i going to type c:\windows\system32 (it's a helluva lot faster than navigating to it in windows)!? i don't even like the way aero looks (compared to mac os x's aqua). who wants to have to upgrade their graphics card just to view some new, pretty *ehem* ugly *ehem* ui? not i.

wmp 11? i hope winamp can run in windows vista, because i don't want to have to build a library just to build a playlist. also, i'd like to be able to add a song to my playlist more than once (something that can't be done in wmp). not to mention, wmp is WAAAAY to cluttered. sorry. i just like winamp better. i grew up with it. although, it didn't grow up with me. i still use winamp 2 (it's just better (who needs all those stinkin' plugins)! :P

media center? i think i said something about that in a previous post. go read it.

ie 7? firefox. enough said.

wait! ooh ooh wait! *ehem* ie 7? metafile... no? okay, vml. there we go!

windows movie maker. lol! imovie is 10x better. that's all i can say (and i don't even own a mac nor am i a mac fanboy (obviously)...

[abjure]

It's definately very beautiful. However, I was installing some games and testing them out and I got really bad FPS. I suggest waiting until they launch it officially. I'm reformating and putting XP back on my machine.

[bigmikeherrmann]

its gonna suck more than all of nick cages movies....ZING

[xelloss]

Well I don't think it will bomb, it will be like Windows XP when it came out, and many people didn't bother with it for a year or two. I remember I didn't buy Windows XP till Leo and Pat on Screensavers said it was time for everyone to upgrade to Windows XP becuase there was no point not too. Although I will be getting Vista First day, I will be getting a Macbook in the next year.

[jivemasta]

I think it's going to be good. I have had it on my desktop for a couple months now. I haven't had any problems yet and it runs all of my programs fine. I play Oblivion on it all the time and I haven't noticed a framerate decrease. I think the average consumer will get it when they get a new computer, of course. But I would recommend getting it on release, to those who have the hardware to run it decently.

[michaelrry]

I'm dual booting Vista and XP and I use XP more than Vista. It just works with online media a whole lot better.

[pyrojake]

I don't need Windows Media Center. In fact, right now (in Windows Vista Ultimate RC1 Build 5600) it looks like CRAP (nothing like Windows MCE 2005), and I REALLY don't need to spend $50-100 to upgrade my graphics card to a low to mid-end GAMING graphics card just to view some pretty (ugly, IMHO) GUI. Aero sucks. Finally, I REALLY, REALLY don't need to spend $400 on a piece of software just for the above-mentioned features and the ability to log on to a domain, encrypt files, etc. $400 is RIDICULOUS! What were they thinking!?

As long as the "more secure" kernel is there (that waits to be seen whether or not it is actually "more secure") and all of the OS' features are there (like Sleep, SuperFetch, ReadyBoost/Drive, Backup, etc.), I'll be happy. Although, I just have a "feeling" that MS will pull a cheap move on me and its consumers where they'll leave something out--like Backup will be missing from Windows Vista Home Basic and/or Windows Vista Home Basic won't be able to join a workgroup, and, therefor, Windows Vista's wonderful new networking feature will be pretty much useless. My worst fear is that Windows Vista Home won't be able to support 64-bit and/or dual CPUs/dual-core CPUs, or more than a gig of ram, or something to piss me off into switching to a mac. I can just feel it!

this kid needs to shut the fuk up

[nownot]

didnt read all the post but i played with rc1, samething as xp but a different theme. i know it not but it feels like it. imo

[famicoman]

I won't buy it for at least a year after release.

[film42]

What do I think?

I think I'm buying a Mac.

I'll be number 2 in line to get a mac, right behind you!

[film42]

I don't need Windows Media Center. In fact, right now (in Windows Vista Ultimate RC1 Build 5600) it looks like CRAP (nothing like Windows MCE 2005), and I REALLY don't need to spend $50-100 to upgrade my graphics card to a low to mid-end GAMING graphics card just to view some pretty (ugly, IMHO) GUI. Aero sucks. Finally, I REALLY, REALLY don't need to spend $400 on a piece of software just for the above-mentioned features and the ability to log on to a domain, encrypt files, etc. $400 is RIDICULOUS! What were they thinking!?

As long as the "more secure" kernel is there (that waits to be seen whether or not it is actually "more secure") and all of the OS' features are there (like Sleep, SuperFetch, ReadyBoost/Drive, Backup, etc.), I'll be happy. Although, I just have a "feeling" that MS will pull a cheap move on me and its consumers where they'll leave something out--like Backup will be missing from Windows Vista Home Basic and/or Windows Vista Home Basic won't be able to join a workgroup, and, therefor, Windows Vista's wonderful new networking feature will be pretty much useless. My worst fear is that Windows Vista Home won't be able to support 64-bit and/or dual CPUs/dual-core CPUs, or more than a gig of ram, or something to piss me off into switching to a mac. I can just feel it!
this kid needs to shut the fuk up

Um, actually I think you need too, I totaly understand what he is talking about, look at XP for Example

[keir]

I love the fact that so many people judge Vista before they have even tried it.
Then there are those who are in love with anything Apple and refuse to give any kudos to Microsoft on what they have done with Vista.

It is a hell of a lot better than Windows XP, just like Windows XP was a hell of a lot better than the previous version (Whichever you were running).

Windows Vista is a lot more secure for one. Sure you'll get the flamers complaining about the security messages popping up which you have to confirm but it's all in the name of security.

Microsoft have a hell of a lot more work to do than Apple when it comes to creating an operating system.

One of the biggest jobs is Drivers. Whereas Apple only use select hardware such as Graphics Card's, drives etc (anything not supported is left to the manufacturer's disgression) Microsoft have to support thousands of items of hardware going back god know's how long.

Then there are those complaining about System Specs. What do you expect. It's been 5 years since the last release of Windows. Things have moved on, technology has moved on drastically, and at the end of the day, the system requirements aren't really that shocking and you don't need a fantastic machine to run Vista, unless you wan't to run it in all it's glory.

I own both Windows Machines and Mac's and I am unbiased. I'm not a Mac fanboy, and I'm not a Windows fanboy. They do what I bought them to do and thats about as far as i'll go in singing their praises.

I'm running Vista RC1 and have been for a couple of weeks now and I have found it stable, responsive and it runs fine. I havn't even bothered installing any official drivers because the one's that Windows installed work perfectly. I can run Oblivion in all the settings I run it on in XP (Max) without so much as a problem.

Basically all you read about on forums, blogs etc are those who just slam Microsoft. Sure they've made mistakes and have had to pull a large number of things from Vista, but the fact is that a newer, more secure operating system is on it's way and most of the pulled features will probably appear in a service pack at some point along the way.

If you don't like windows, don't slam it without good reason. If you don't like MacOS, don't slam it without good reason.

I know me saying that is pointless and i'll probably get flamed by those who have read about 2 reviews on Vista and would no doubt orgasm at the sight of steve jobs in one of his turtle neck's, but that would be no more than i expect :)

[chadr6]

I played with Beta 2 and RC1 and there was an improvment between the beta and rc1, but it still has a ways to go. In Beta 2 especially it seemed that Microsoft put too much effort into the eye candy and not enough into the OS itself. I'm buying a Mac and still using Ubuntu on my PC, I might buy Vista eventually.

[c1ph3r88]

I have to agree with sean 89. Windows XP does have some major flaws. They took a lot of good things from other OSs like the ability to run administrator in a limited account. The filesystem is also setup like a mac or linux system. The GUI is rather nice and you dont need a high end graphics card. Mine cost me 100 bucks when I bought my computer. I ran Vista RC1 just fine and I am pleased with it. But I think they need to do like apple did with osx and rebuild from the ground up.