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#61
04-28-2008, 01:40 AM
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1. Uh....AMD 64 X2 (2.65 ghz), 2 gb ddr-2 ram, 250gb sata hd...1 hour from start to finish. 2. BSOD on shutdown? Does not mean Vista is at fault. Check the error codes. Could be hardware. 3. Before SP1, never had an issue with ANY SSID hidden or otherwise. Reboot pc and was online no questiuon asked every time. Post SP1, still no issues. 4. NEVER had Media Center (sp1 or not) crash. I use it daily for recording television shows. 5. UAC can be disabled with about 4 mouse clicks. 6. Interfaces are not a reason to hate or love an OS. Interfaces can be changed. You can change Vista to a "classic" or basic look or install the "hacked" theme files and make it look however you want. 7. Microsoft...economical? LOL I cannot understand how people have this many problems with Vista. There were clear hardware requirements posted well in advance and driver issues on both 64 bit and 32 bit (pre or post sp1) have not been that great of a problem for me. I keep hearing people talk about software incompatibility, but I have YET to run an app that will not allow me to use it. There is a 95, 98, and XP compatibility mode in Vista. Right click your app and hit properties. See the COMPATIBILITY tab? Now I am NOT saying this is a 100% fix for everyone, but as I said, this pc is on 24-7 and it is being used MOST of that time by myself (video/audio editing and high end gaming) and my wife (photo editing and magazine productions/minor gaming) and all of our apps and games we use have run fine. SOME need the compatibility mode, yes, but they run. Also , every time I see someone with a driver issue they blame Vista. Vista is here. It has been here for a year or more (more for me as I have used it since the early beta days). Micro$oft is going to stop support for XP soon (so they say). Vista is not going anywhere right now. It is up to the hardware manufacturers to release drivers which work with the OS. It is not the responsibility of the OS programmers to work around the hardware. Of course this is just my opinion. Last edited by D3m0n1k : 04-28-2008 at 01:46 AM. 
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04-28-2008, 01:44 AM
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i am glad to see some one else here that sees how great Vista is, and is upset to see people want to blame the OS rather than something else
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#63
04-28-2008, 01:49 AM
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LOL...watch the last episode of Tekzilla. I defend Vista there. Kind of funny. I am hoping the tuning guide I posted which Patrick says they will talk about is of help to some who are having issues. I am not claiming to have discovered any of the tips or tricks I use and recommend, I just spent the past year compiling and testing all the ones I could find to see what works and what does not. Just trying to help. Thanks for reply, too. Nice to see someone agrees with me.
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04-28-2008, 03:26 AM
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Great episode! I am a pretty recent fan of the show. I especially liked this episodes segment about the audio stuff. I've been an audio nerd for quite some time. I would like to add to that there is a really nice piece of multi track recording software for Windows called Reaper. Its available to download without ANY technical limitations or time limits as an evaluation, and if you do decide to buy it it's only $50 USD for a personal license or $225 for commercial use (i.e. you plan to profit from using it). Reaper has a whole bunch of features. And while It might not quite be as rich as the big boys (ProTools, Logic, etc.), with features like VST/VSTi support, Full MIDI, DX/DXi, ReWire, etc., it sure does give em a run for their money. On top of that, Reaper only requires 10MB for installation and can be run off a thumb drive.
There is also a Mac version in very early stages of development. But you can DL the beta.
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#65
04-28-2008, 08:10 AM
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I'm with D3m0n1k on this. I was able to try a PC running the beta versions of Vista before it came out. I had to waited 2 months after the Vista launch to upgrade to Vista Ultimate. If my midrange PC with my POS CPU can run Vista without hassle then most people with a PC built in the last 6 years should. It's not hard to use the Vista upgrade advisor. It's even built into the install disc and suggest your run it first it it doesn't detect files from already being run on the PC.
What I see are loads of BS complaints that are not MS's fault. And most people who are doing the complaining don't seem to have an actual clue about the changes in Vista. Many people have bad drivers or use the PC to the degree that they need 1gig of ram minimum. Vista Pre SP1 is either new code or based on Windows Server 2003. SP1 upgrades Vista to the Server 2008 code base & kernel. Vista is far more secure than XP ever will be. XP is old and has already received one major system over hall for free. MS is not obligated to support an OS forever. They certainly support them longer than Apple & Vista do. Manufactures have had almost 3 years now to fix their drivers. It's their fault no MS's. I personally like the new driver structurer that keeps the whole OS from crashing from one bad driver. nVidia are known for their bad drivers and problems with their Forceware software. This is why I will never buy one of their motherboards. UAC, yes I disable it when I'm building a new system that requires a lot of software installs & updates. When I'm done with the updates & installs I turn it back on. It's a God send the rest of the time. It keeps malware from silently installing which makes it plenty worthwhile to keep enabled. And since I know most people would rather complain on forums then take a few minutes to search the MS web site. UAC can be tweaked on how it runs. I've never had a problem with it. Last edited by Dark_Shroud : 04-28-2008 at 08:14 AM.
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#67
04-28-2008, 05:32 PM
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Certemente!
D3m0n1k should be commended for unselfishily sharing his tips on MsVista. One thing to notice that is the people who have had the most success with MSVista were people who could afford high end or specialized equipment. Of course, you could say that of the new os/x also. You should not expect an os to run on every machine made in the last few years. Ironically, We still have our old amd 1.5 still chugging along fine with the latest version of Ubuntu. We did not have to purchase a new machine. Microsoft and Apple should get a clue. They need to put their elistist attitudes where the sun does not shine. As for security on osx and MSVista. Both were easily hacked within 48 hours at a recent contest. Mr. Steven Ballmer (a big wig at Microsoft) himself has allegedly admitted that MS Vista is not robust. At least that is a start at toning down an elitist attitude.
- We still do have a G3 with osx10.4 which is in the closet unused right now. It was given to me to do some web development a few years back. Our three other powerpc based machines run linux. Having said that, the Apple vs PC commercials are getting a bit something else. After watching them, who would want to use an apple or an ms based pc. - Need an extra screen, Use the virtual screens with your advanced operating system. We have had up to eight at no additional cost. And No increase in my electric bill. We can even do it on and old 1g compaq. We have heard of people doing it on even less powerful machines.  Last edited by computoman : 04-28-2008 at 05:52 PM.
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#68
04-29-2008, 04:51 AM
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1. Was that a fresh install or an upgrade? If it was a fresh install...that's slow. 2. It's using all of the latest drivers for his hardware. 3. Well, you're one of the lucky ones...because I also had it happen on my Vista desktop pre-SP1 and two other friend's laptops...both from different manufacturers. Could be because I'm using DD-WRT on my Linksys routers, but I've never had a problem with any other OS or device connecting into the network... 4. The Media Center crash only happened once...so I expect Windows Updates downloaded a driver patch that fixed it since then. 5. Yes it can be enabled/disabled easily. But you shouldn't have to disable a security feature to get an application to run! UAC is a great concept and a step in the right direction...and is one of the few features of Vista that I actually like. But there's way too many applications that require UAC to be disabled. 6. I know interfaces can be changed. I've used Stardock's products, and there's other products out there like Cairo (www.cairoshell.com), Litestep (www.litestep.net), and once full-fledged Windows support is added...project Looking Glass (http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/). But, for what was supposed to be a complete re-write of the OS...it's just a more polished "Fisher Price" interface. I just expected more. 7. Yeah...even I have to laugh when thinking of Microsoft being economical...lol. But...if you have hundreds of megabytes worth of source code in just the kernel and base drivers alone, with hundreds of thousands of man hours invested in that source code, do you really expect them to chuck most of it and start from scratch? No. What I suspect is that they took the base XP kernel, re-worked a fair chunk of it to integrate UAC, ported all of the pre-existing drivers to the new driver architecture, implemented a new network stack, and called it a ground-up re-write. I've never had good luck with the compatibility mode feature...even in XP. And if you want to see a program that has issues with Vista...even in compatibility mode...try running the original Max Payne. 
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#69
04-29-2008, 02:25 PM
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#1. Sure, it is not the fastest, but using Ultimate I expected an hour or so. Not a big deal, and I was including SP1 in that hour. #2. If all the drivers are current then it very well could be a hardware issue. A BSOD at the beginning of booting up or at shutting down CAN be a sign of a bad ram module or even bad sectors on the hard drive (especially if those secotrs reside close to the page file or dll stores). #3. I install networks as part of my job and I honestly never have issues such as yours. #4. Media center is rock solid for me. Always has been. #5. This is true, and I agree. However, most OS installs contain software which is active, yet unneded. We all customize, remove and disable stuff right after a fresh install. #6. Well, honestly I COULD say the same thing about XP. That big blue taskbar and the giant borders with rounded corners was just too simple and kiddy for me. It is all a matter of opinions there. #7. I never attempted to decompile the code for vista and check it out. Maybe that is a project I can look into. I am not sure how they wrote it, but I know, for me, it works and is stable. So was XP, but I personally see a huge performance increase with Vista (after some tweaking and hacking around) and it is more aesthetically pleasing to me. If they did not re-write it from the gound up then they lied, sure. But it is Microsoft. I expect that. As for Max Payne. I am running it now (just installed it since you said that). Other than a strange screen resolutiuon due to the age of the game, it runs fine, man. What happened when you ran it? I am not trying to DEFEND Vista or promote it as the be all end all of operating systems. I am merely staing fact. The fact is, once Vista was announced, hardware manufacturers should have begun their driver programming then. If the hardware manufacturer does not employ people who can program for Vista, then they need to look into hiring other people who can. It is not Micro$oft's fault that nVidia or Hauppauge or some other hardware company did not fully program a Vista compatible driver. Microsoft made a working OS. They are done. All they need to support is their OS. Not the hardware every user chooses to use within that OS. Are there issues? Apparently. Are they system threatening or hardware disabling? No. Most of them are very very easy to deal with and work around. I have zero issues with Vista right now. Once again, just my opinion.
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#70
04-29-2008, 07:18 PM
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Part of M$'s problem with Vista (and all earlier versions) is that they have a huge installed base with zillions of combinations of devices in the field. here is a place where Apple's closed box policy is a big win (for Apple) in that they just don't have the combinatorial explosion of old crock hardware to support forever. You can't run all the cool compiz stuff in Ubuntu on an old crock PC, either.
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