Who is to blame?

[rdpillz]

@Roy
It was the closest i ever came to a complaint?
A lot of what i've writtin have alluded to this point. I've always thought the show was over produced and overly complicated. Maybe it just took me this long to be able to pinpoint exactly what is was that i didn't like, or maybe i'm just now able to word my thoughts in a more relevant matter. Personally I've come to believe that if the show dropped the name, the backing and became an independent ad sponsored podcast, that it would probably become a much more worthwhile show.

[animetvroy]

Originally Posted by angelbunny

I've mentioned this multiple times on this forum and every time I've been shot down by you or someone else on the show for even implying the word sellout. Yet here it finally comes out. How am I supposed to trust your guy's reviews when the product you're reviewing has your pockets lined? It is a major conflict of interest.

I've watched a good number of podcasts since before they where even called podcasts and out of everything I've watched they always fall into two categories: 1) review 2) tutorial

animeTV is a review show that refuses to review shows the second they are coming out because how the dub companies have a major hand in it. That is like Roger Ebert refusing to review movies until they are out of the theaters because he is sponsored by redbox.

Because of those reasons, animeTV is poised to fail from its roots.

No one cares about production quality. You're not making the anime here. What people want is honest and good reviews of what is coming out right now in asia, not some corporate BS. That has never flied and it never will.


oh and btw, I didn't dislike every episode. you guys listened to what we had to say and generally improved almost every episode. I honestly thought one to two years from now you guys would still be on revision 3 and would be night and day. I don't believe it is your fault roy, actually you've been excellent.

Thanks for your words, bunny.

Our pockets aren't lined, and honestly we don't make a cent. The problem comes in with s trying to promote the American Anime Industry, while some of us cling to the open idea of Anime for everyone - we try our best to put that in. Awhile back I got into a very long argument about the word "Otaku" and the crapstorm that came from it was that people dont like the term Otaku and they hate being branded or placed in the same group.

I didn't understand it then, hell, I was actually hurt. Producers put it to me simply that I am Otaku, but the show isn't for them, but to promote Anime to the masses, and the American Anime Industry - which everyone knows is behind on the release because of dubbing and all of that jazz.

So no, we dont get handouts, we do get freedom to talk about what we want - like my rant on Rental Magica... yeah we got some serious flak for that... actually I got some serious flak for that. Industry backed doesn't mean Industry Funded - so people are suprised when we rip into these Anime - because thats what we do.

Honestly, giving an unbias... and sometimes brutal opinion about an Anime released by a company that is BACKING us is almost absurd, and as much as I love the fandom, it will be a very cold day before I am told explicitly what not to say about something I have an opinion on.

People may not care about the production, but I have to admit that we do hold ourselves to a personal standard - which before all the troubles we undertook the last couple episodes was really starting to form something new and worthwhile.

Fact of the matter is that for all my efforts, people are offended by my way of thinking about fans - some flatout hate what I have to say or walk away entirely based off of some sometimes small or sometimes big thing - its still a failure, and hopefully the third times the charm.

Honestly, the more I think about it the blame rests solely on our shoulders. Maybe we reached to too far or some nice analogy, but if there is to blame it would have to start with me and the show.

[angelbunny]

Originally Posted by animetvroy

Awhile back I got into a very long argument about the word "Otaku" and the crapstorm that came from it was that people dont like the term Otaku and they hate being branded or placed in the same group.

I'm that way. I'm a major anime fangirl but if anyone called me otaku or used me and otaku in the same sentence I would be mildly insulted. Not only that, but I don't like being told by others what I am. Any form of labeling/stereotyping I find wrong for generalized reasons. The whole, 'lets have the cast wear stereotypical highschool like clothes' drove me nuts even more than using the word otaku. The problem with that is I honestly don't know what you guys normally wear so maybe it is my issue alone, but the whole shoving stereotypes into the show urked me in a hard to explain and subtle way.
/rant

Originally Posted by animetvroy

Industry backed doesn't mean Industry Funded

animeTV should be industry funded. If not it shouldn't be industry backed at all. It sounds like politics that should never have existed, but I wasn't there. You know better than anyone. I can only speculate as a viewer which obviously leads me towards jumping towards a conclusion.


Imho, animeTV should have been a review show that reviews anime as it is just coming out in japan. Sure, there could of been a 'retro review' part of the podcast reviewing older anime that are finished being made in japan, but imho any anime already completed should of never have been a main review. Also, I think the show should have been review exclusive. No talking about otaku or trying to fit for the masses in any way or anything extra outside of a review of a product. Maybe an exception of explaining difference in japanese culture would be kinda cool but that would be even pushing it. Think like the rotten tomatos show but for anime/manga. More review and less everything else, even less group discussion and arguments over opinions in the shows.

If animeTV would have been that then there would have been no complaining and no drama from anyone. No otaku bullshit. No politics. No nothing but plain reviews of new movies and tv shows and imho it would have succeeded by a long shot. You might disagree with me. Heck, many people here would probably disagree with me, but I have a multimedia background so I would at least like to believe I know what I'm talking about, but maybe that is just my ego speaking.


I think I've voiced my opinion enough for a lifetime. :P

[slagster]

Originally Posted by angelbunny

More review and less everything else, even less group discussion and arguments over opinions in the shows.
If animeTV would have been that then there would have been no complaining and no drama from anyone. No otaku bullshit. No politics. No nothing but plain reviews of new movies and tv shows and imho it would have succeeded by a long shot.

If they did that then it would be a very boring show and would have probably been cancelled after a few episodes. You need group opinions and discussions because that then sparks debates on the forums where we can agree and disagree with our favorite hosts. The only thing I can agree with you on is the fact that they should have spent more time reviewing current anime since thats what most of us care about since we have already watched and formed opinions long ago on most of the anime they reviewed this season. The only issue with that is the hosts would then have to admit to watching fansubs which according to their bosses is whats killing the anime industry. Though to be fair reviewing fresh anime coming out of Japan could have helped Bang Zoom choose more anime to license based on what they see us positively responding to.

All in all though I look forward to seeing what changes the suits made when and if a season 3 ever gets released.

[originalglitch]

Originally Posted by slagster

If they did that then it would be a very boring show and would have probably been cancelled after a few episodes. You need group opinions and discussions because that then sparks debates on the forums where we can agree and disagree with our favorite hosts. The only thing I can agree with you on is the fact that they should have spent more time reviewing current anime since thats what most of us care about since we have already watched and formed opinions long ago on most of the anime they reviewed this season. The only issue with that is the hosts would then have to admit to watching fansubs which according to their bosses is whats killing the anime industry. Though to be fair reviewing fresh anime coming out of Japan could have helped Bang Zoom choose more anime to license based on what they see us positively responding to.

All in all though I look forward to seeing what changes the suits made when and if a season 3 ever gets released.

Very much agreed. The discussions part is one of the reasons I watched ATV. The goku versus superman debate was the most epic thing on the show.

Originally Posted by angelbunny

Also, I think the show should have been review exclusive. No talking about otaku or trying to fit for the masses in any way or anything extra outside of a review of a product. Maybe an exception of explaining difference in japanese culture would be kinda cool but that would be even pushing it.

I think we've had this debate on forums except it was rdpillz or somebody doing it. So I assume by this you mean absolutely no cosplay, japanese pop culture , or convention coverage? Which would really bring down the show if those things went out the window.

[rdpillz]

Originally Posted by originalglitch

I think we've had this debate on forums except it was rdpillz or somebody doing it.

Not sure what your implying here

Originally Posted by originalglitch

So I assume by this you mean absolutely no cosplay, japanese pop culture , or convention coverage?

The show would be just fine without costplay.
I don't think anyone on the forum said anything about dropping Japanese culture. Personally i would of liked to see more bailey in japan segments, although i think there is disagreement on what exactly is Japanese culture.
Convention coverage? that one time animetv covered a convention it was nothing more than a montage. A 5min segment in one episode wasn't exactly a defining feature of animetv.

[animetvroy]

Well bunny had literally said that anything beyond just a review of the anime was pushing it. So mileys, bailey's or even mentioning anime related events was "pushing it" i- that was what glitch was referring to. Can't please everyone and they all have their hangups so the line is always changing.

Case in point : people wanted more fan interaction and when we said Fanplay was coming back we got tons of submissions and they are still coming in. Now pillz would say no cos would be just fine and angel would agree. But by sheer numbers and letters - fanplay or shOwing otaku and j-culture definitely was not our weak suit.

I agree that we weren't current... Which is my nice way of saying relevant to the viewers. Its funny because that was the number one criticism between otaku (self proclaimed) and fans alike - its always funny when those comments come in.

Sad part is that our hima was our way of admitting to watching fansubs but it wouldn't have been glorifying or promoting them. Politics aside, that is just where it needed to be. Now maybe I can tell you we did some pre prod planning - maybe I can tell you that issues were brought up and maybe _DELETED_

Yeah you didn't hear that from me.

[angelbunny]

deleted? ahh, I missed some juicy drama! lol

Everyone has their opinions and I'm glad people speak their mind for or against others opinions.

As a viewer, I wouldn't mind knowing of a podcast that has current anime reviews of like _everything_. That way when I see an anime I'm remotely interested in (say it is now starting to be dubbed, or something along those lines) I can then search for the show and find an old episode covering that show.

That is literally all I care about and I'm sure it greatly differs from others here. But until I find a podcast like that, I'll stick to text based review sites.

[originalglitch]

*Digs through trash bin to find deleted information.*
Dear Chthulu! I can't believe, you guys did those things! You ought to be ashamed of yourself Roy. XD