Repealing don't ask, don't tell

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Originally Posted by momentarylapse

I very much am familiar with the rules of it. DADT was a step in the right direction as before, no gays were allowed, period.

You may think it were a step in the right direction, and that's your opinion. But you more than illustrated your unfamiliarity with the law when suggesting it deals with inappropriate gay activities rather than merely being gay. All I tried doing was explaining the issue wasn't what gay soldiers do in the bedroom, but simply the knowledge that a solider IS gay. You were misrepresenting the issue. You were taking it a step too far by taking the conversation straight to sex, when that wasn't the issue. I was just shocked to see a self described service men unfamiliar with this.

Originally Posted by momentarylapse

Idiot American? Did I talk down to you in any way other than saying that you aren't in the situation that you want to talk about?

You brought it up as a means of invalidating my argument even though your service or my lack of service was irrelevant to the discussion at hand. I'm sorry, but I'm sick of this ridiculous sense of entitlement guys like you have in the service. We should go above and beyond taking care of our soldiers, but I'm so sick of hearing the tough guy attitude thrown up whenever something doesn't go your way. Speaking of tough guy attitude....

Originally Posted by momentarylapse

you arrogant piece of shit.

There it is! I get it. How dare I question you? You're a solider!! Surly I hate America, right?

Originally Posted by momentarylapse

What is it that you are discussing?

That you were incorrectly describing DADT as inappropriate discussions about homosexual activities on the job. The issue wasn't the discussion of gay sex. It was the public knowledge of a soldiers sexual orientation being homosexual.

Originally Posted by momentarylapse

Something that isn't even in your own country, you know nothing about, haven't experienced, but feel the overwhelming urge to put your .02 into?

You misunderstood me. I'm an American, I'm just not an IDIOT American. You know, the type who kisses the ass of guys like you who throw up their service in people's face at inappropriate moments when things don't go their way.

Originally Posted by momentarylapse

This is VERY much about what people serving are comfortable with. At times of war, you need to be able to trust everyone in your company completely. If you are gay, and announce it as such, will you trust the hillbilly from Alabama to save you in the event that something happens?

Again, that's not what I'm discussing. I was focusing on your incorrect portrayal of DADT.

Originally Posted by momentarylapse

You tell me I'm ignorant, when you're only 22 years old. It would be wonderful if we could just say "peace to all" and everyone knows what everything is about. It's not that simple, child.

Hey! Look! More logical fallacies! Simple math lesson. If you're older than me, you'll always be older than me. So today I'm only 22, what do I know? You're older than me. Then I'm 33, what do I know? You're older than me. Or perhaps I should find the opinion of someone older than you who agrees with my POV? Would that invalidate your POV because they're older than you? According to your logic, it would. Are you beginning to understand the issues with these logical fallacies?

[hellhound]

Originally Posted by momentarylapse

This is VERY much about what people serving are comfortable with. At times of war, you need to be able to trust everyone in your company completely. If you are gay, and announce it as such, will you trust the hillbilly from Alabama to save you in the event that something happens?

same thing was said about allowing minorities in the service... "How could a black guy feel comfortable that a redneck hillbilly from Alabama might have the job of covering his 6?".. and it ended up not being a significant problem. Of course there is the same % of idiots in the military as there is in the private sector, tho caould also argue there might be MORE idiots in the military since many enlist due to lack of education and ability to get decent jobs... and you get some of the "I'm macho man cause I shoot guns and have "Authority" (Cartman ref as it also happens in law enforcement as well as military).

Also there seems to be some arrogance among the youth that because someone is gay or lesbian... that he/she MUST find me sexy because I'm so hot...
I went to school w/ a gay white guy that only liked old black guys... he joked that "if the hair aint graying... I wont be staying".. to each their own.. even in the straight world.. some guys like skinny chics, some are chubby chasers, some like tits and some like ass, some only like white, hispanic or black chics and would be repulsed at having sex w/ someone outside their "field"..

I've been propositioned on the street by gay guys and easily said "no thanks guy" and they said "kool no problem". End of story.

Some of what I wanna say is "get over yourself.. you probably aren't as attractive as you think you are"