i am glad that MLK got his dream come true

[skyz]

he was a noble man called to service in times of great struggle and i am glad that today it came to fruition

these moments of great highs and glory are transient but all the more beautiful for that fact

obama set his intention and arrived at his goal and i wish him well

if I have seen further it is only by standing on the shoulders of giants ~ isaac newton

[comhcinc]

Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream was racial equality, not a black man being president. While I will agree that it is a big step toward that dream it is not the culmination of it. To claim so is to turn a blind eye to all those problems we still have. That would be a bad mistake.

Oh and your quote is really Newton making fun of a short man Kinda funny but very petty. and here

[skyz]

Originally Posted by comhcinc

Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream was racial equality, not a black man being president. While I will agree that it is a big step toward that dream it is not the culmination of it. To claim so is to turn a blind eye to all those problems we still have. That would be a bad mistake.

Oh and your quote is really Newton making fun of a short man Kinda funny but very petty. and here

yeah whatever

you can take a break from cynicism occasionally

'if just for one day'

signed 'tinker belle'

[comhcinc]

Originally Posted by skyz

yeah whatever

you can take a break from cynicism occasionally

'if just for one day'

signed 'tinker belle'

there is no cynicism on my part. i am talking about facts and truth. the man's dream has yet to come true. this is only a step. a step that isn't even mention in the speech. the struggle is not over to pretend otherwise is irresponsible. in fact those in know are talking about the rise in hate group activity since November.

ignorance is fine. the willful ignorance that you are maintaining is not. it is just sad.

[skyz]

Originally Posted by comhcinc

there is no cynicism on my part. i am talking about facts and truth. the man's dream has yet to come true. this is only a step. a step that isn't even mention in the speech. the struggle is not over to pretend otherwise is irresponsible. in fact those in know are talking about the rise in hate group activity since November.

ignorance is fine. the willful ignorance that you are maintaining is not. it is just sad.

com

i am neither ignorant nor sad

and you know it

and those wiser than you know it too which is of great import to me

when you got married i m sure you knew it was not going to be one long honeymoon but i would like to think for your sake and your wife's that you could take one moment to relish your joy

tokenuser still relishes the joy of his wedding day he has referred to it more than once

it is a huge step from not even being allowed to use the same water fountain to residence in the white house and preeminence on the world stage

and remember com i am not even a rapid obama fan but i am still going to wish him well and respect his ability to know what he wanted and go for it and get it

[tokenuser]

MLK was all about racial equality.
The linkage between the Obama campaign, and being a black man are obvious ... but wrong.

Obama was never a "black man". He might have been treated as such by those that judge a person by their skin, but he was not brought up in a black neighbourhood by black parents.

He is African American by birth, not by heritage, and didn't carry the baggage of racial inequality thrust upon him by his parents or grandparents.

Obama's campaign was run on non-racial lines. The fact that the African Americna population (mostly) got behind him was because they were looking at skin color ... and if it is the color of a man's skin that defines them, then MLK still has a long way to go.

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I get asked about the Australian Aborigines from time to time, and about how we treat them in Australia. The immediate comparison people jump to is a comparison by skin color, with a correlation to the slaves of America's past.

I then point out that it was my family of Welsh/English descent that were infact the slaves sent to Australia as convicts. The Aborigines were never pressed into slavery.

The treatment of Aborigines is more akin to the US treatment of Native Americans. Same things happened, tribes infected with diseases, tribes hunted to extinction - large scale genocide. When was the last time you ever heard about racial equality for the Native American population? Indian casinos aren't a measure of equality.

But, that is ignored, because as far as most people are concerned racial equality is determined by someones skin color. As I said above, if it is the color of a man's skin that defines them, then MLK still has a long way to go.

[comhcinc]

you are willful ignorant and that is sad.

lets get the facts straight. you proclaim that

i am glad that MLK got his dream come true

now that hasn't happen. his dream wasn't for a black man to be elected president. i mean have you every took the time to read the speech?

I say to you today, my friends, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification; one day right there in Alabama, little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.

I have a dream today

the rest of it

this has nothing to do with my marriage. this has nothing to do with token's marriage. quit trying to side track the issue.

again the issue is you have proclaim the end to racial injustice. that hasn't happen.

then in your last post you try to subtle change what you said. you can't do that without admitting you are wrong. you can't have it both ways. either you are right and "MLK got his dream come true" or he didn't. there is no kinda when it comes to something like racial equality.

Originally Posted by skyz

it is a huge step from not even being allowed to use the same water fountain to residence in the white house and preeminence on the world stage

you act like i didn't just say that. twice.

Originally Posted by comhcinc

the man's dream has yet to come true. this is only a step. a step that isn't even mention in the speech.

Originally Posted by comhcinc

Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream was racial equality, not a black man being president. While I will agree that it is a big step toward that dream it is not the culmination of it.

like i said willful ignorance.

[skyz]

Originally Posted by tokenuser

MLK was all about racial equality.
The linkage between the Obama campaign, and being a black man are obvious ... but wrong.

Obama was never a "black man". He might have been treated as such by those that judge a person by their skin, but he was not brought up in a black neighbourhood by black parents.

He is African American by birth, not by heritage, and didn't carry the baggage of racial inequality thrust upon him by his parents or grandparents.

Obama's campaign was run on non-racial lines. The fact that the African Americna population (mostly) got behind him was because they were looking at skin color ... and if it is the color of a man's skin that defines them, then MLK still has a long way to go.

If it is the color of a man's skin that defines them, then MLK still has a long way to go.

i myself have brought up the fact numerous times that obama was not descendant from slaves nor did he or any member of his family ever suffer under the prejudice and segregation of the south

he is bi racial through bi nationality more akin to say a person whose father was say japanese born in japan who married a white american

technically yes obama ran on non racial issues lines but let us not be naive it as you say had a lot to do with race in the eyes of many globally not just nationally

just as if hillary were our new president she would not have run on the fact that she was female but her being the first female president would have highlighted gender issues

a wedding does not a marriage make and yes there is a great distance to go but the fact is MLK would not have needed the courage nor had to pay the price he and others in the civil rights movement paid if he were fighting for civil rights today

and obama begins the end of his inaugural address thus:

This is the meaning of our liberty and our creed — why men and women and children of every race and every faith can join in celebration across this magnificent mall, and why a man whose father less than sixty years ago might not have been served at a local restaurant can now stand before you to take a most sacred oath.

we alive now will most probably not live to see the day when color or gender is totally irrelevant though it will become less relevant as time goes by

but to deny this is a major moment is to be ungenerous to the spirit of the ideals of both our founding fathers and those who bore the brunt of the burden of the civil rights challenge of which MLK and his most famous speech is the symbolic embodiment

[tokenuser]

I am not denying the achievement or accomplishment - but feel that the ideals of Dr King have yet to be reached.

Obama might have been associated with them, but to embrace them would have alienated much of "white" America.

The end result might be the same though.

[skyz]

Originally Posted by tokenuser

I am not denying the achievement or accomplishment - but feel that the ideals of Dr King have yet to be reached.

Obama might have been associated with them, but to embrace them would have alienated much of "white" America.

The end result might be the same though.

there are signs and symbols along the way

and one of those happened yesterday

the thread title was poetic in nature

obama made points with me by have a poet as part of his inauguration

she was more a prose poet but still gratifying to one such as i