Bert, How do you put it together ?!

[q80-dds]

Hi every body !

Although I have a very long way to go and a lot to learn, but at least I have an idea now ( thanks to Bert !) how things look real. lights and shadows, textures, perspective .. etc. However, what I really want to know is something that I've never seen either in the shows or photoshop studio book. How do you put it all together? When you see something inspiring, you grab your camera and take reference shots, but when you get to photoshop on that blank canvas, how do you determine where exactly on that canvas the vanishing points and lines go, to match the seen from real life ? how do you determine where the major parts of the painting go ? for example in chapter one from your book, when you explain perspective, you refer to Damen. You say that vanishing lines were created, but how ? I know how to draw bunch of red lines, but how do I know where exactly they go on my canvas and where do they converge? The image on page 5, I'm sure that each line serves a purpose, but I don't know how to get them together! How do I know how many vanishing points, vanishing lines, and where each line starts and ends. On page 18 where you have put the green stroked guides for Damen buildings , how did you know that those buildings go in that exact spot, on a blank canvas ! and I'm not talking about bringing them from their files after their done because you explained that well using alpha channel, but how do you initially put them there? How do you determine the dimensions and sizes of each object before you draw it? In other words, how do you put it all together, or how do you start ?! Please help me understand this concept. I really want to start a decent painting of my own. But after I take reference shots, I sit in front of that blank canvas, I feel lost as I said I've learned so much from you and I'm thirsty for more!

Thanks a lot

[johnosullivan]

Thats a good point. Have you tried e-mailing Bert? If I were you, I would e-mail that exact post to bert and see if he could do a show on it. He always says if you have any questions to e-mail him. It would be a good show in my opinion. Try it. See what happens. I think he would enjoy doing that show

[q80-dds]

I emailed him twice already. I understand he gets tons of emails so I thought he might have missed it so I tried here in the forum. I'll keep trying

Thanks though.

[tokenuser]

Originally Posted by Q80 DDS

I emailed him twice already. I understand he gets tons of emails so I thought he might have missed it so I tried here in the forum. I'll keep trying

Thanks though.

Remember that Pixel Perfect is filmed in batches, so give it a little time. You have emailed and posted in the forums ... between the two he should have gotten the message.

[whoisscott]

i agree with the first post. I'd really like to know how do you determine the LxW of a painting or the dpi. it seems that Bert works in massive sizes even on the commercial works and older works. Not to mention Times Square and Damen. I mostly worried that if I go to print if ill lose quality.

I could understand placing things on the canvas and taking artistic license and place things where you think they look good.

[q80-dds]

Originally Posted by whoisscott

i agree with the first post. I'd really like to know how do you determine the LxW of a painting or the dpi. it seems that Bert works in massive sizes even on the commercial works and older works. Not to mention Times Square and Damen. I mostly worried that if I go to print if ill lose quality.

I could understand placing things on the canvas and taking artistic license and place things where you think they look good.

Yeah thats another good point, dpi ! how do you determine that ! does it depend on what kind printer the painting will be printed with ? or what ? and by the way what is LxW ?

[krashnicki]

What I like to do is work from a reference photo or drawing. You can then use the lines of that image to figure out your horizon line and perspective lines. The perspective lines should outline the major shapes of the image which will give you a general feel for for the layout and depth of the image. I think Bert did an early episode on this. Check out episode 40 and 45.

I feel the LxW(length x Width) is subjective and dependent on where or how it will be used and displayed, as well as the subject matter.

For dpi(dots or pixels per inch) there are a couple general rules i follow. If the image I am creating is strictly for viewing on a monitor such as website content it can be 72dpi because that is the resolution your monitor displays images at. Although I generally prefer to work at a high dpi and then turn it down to 72 dpi when I am saving my final images

For print you want a lot higher dpi. I like to work at least 300dpi. This will be sufficient for the majority of your print work.

However, if you are working on an extremely large image with extremely small details such as Damon which I believe was 10 feet long, you can use a higher to help capture very small details. I think I remember Bert mentioning that he was working at 500 or 600 dpi for Damon. For most smaller print work this is unnecessary. Also remember a high dpi will slow down your system especially when applying filters.

[hwp]

Hi, Bert does explain a lot of what you ask but not all in one episode.

These episode's for example explains vanishing points a little and also perspective;

http://revision3.com/pixelperfect/city/

http://revision3.com/pixelperfect/perspective

http://revision3.com/pixelperfect/perspective2

he also explains in some of his shows how he puts his large pictures together, like Damen.
How he has multiple files for diferent segmants of a whole image.

I hope he get's back to you with an explanation that makes sense to you.

PJ

[q80-dds]

Originally Posted by HWP

Hi, Bert does explain a lot of what you ask but not all in one episode.

These episode's for example explains vanishing points a little and also perspective;

http://revision3.com/pixelperfect/city/

http://revision3.com/pixelperfect/perspective

http://revision3.com/pixelperfect/perspective2

he also explains in some of his shows how he puts his large pictures together, like Damen.
How he has multiple files for diferent segmants of a whole image.

I hope he get's back to you with an explanation that makes sense to you.

PJ

Yes I've seen those episodes. He does explain perspective, but what I want to know is how the vanishing lines and points were put precisely were they belong on the blank canvas, not on an already existing image or painting.

[krashnicki]

Originally Posted by Q80 DDS

Yes I've seen those episodes. He does explain perspective, but what I want to know is how the vanishing lines and points were put precisely were they belong on the blank canvas, not on an already existing image or painting.

If you are not working from an reference then it is up to you as an artist to decide. There is no exact formula. It all depends on the image you want to create.

I normally start with a horizon line. Then pick a place on this line for the vanishing point. Finally draw the perspective lines which should end at the vanishing point.

Be aware that it is possible to have multiple vanishing points. For example if you at a street intersection. Each street that is in your view would have a separate vanishing point.

Here is a great reference
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...&ct=image&cd=1