Episode 1: Ghost in the Shell 2.0 [Discussion]

[rollingbox]

Originally Posted by TSSaloic

I can agree with you on Naruto. I have only really seen Death Note on Hulu, so as a sub. But I have to disagree on Bleach. On that, can we get Michelle Ruff to do an ad as well?

The problem on the Bleach dub was completely in the casting. They have so many great voice actors in it but playing all the wrong characters. But personally, the dialogue bothers me. I think Bleach is one of those anime that just don't translate well.


And people on about Gurren Lagann, yes that was an epic anime. It was one of those great dubs that don't give you a reason to watch the subbed version. Watching the sub or dub completely depends on as he said "whether it's a good dub or bad dub".

[golewis]

I've not been surprised that some people loved the show and some people mildly disliked it (okay, some parts they hated.) But, what has surprised me is the overwhelming support to push the show to get better. That sounds like family.

We're listening. -Rob

[fath0m]

Originally Posted by snorlaxxx

so i just thought I'd respond to some of the comments..."It's better to be talked about than not talked about at all," said Oscar Wilde.
I sat here for two hours attempting to come up with a response to some of the just plain "wrongness" I read in the posts and after many drafts I politely and by politely I say these things...

1) I personally feel "geek chic" is oxymoronic. Nothing geeky will EVER be cool or sexy and and nothing chic will be truly geeky. I blame Hollywood and Jake Gyllenhaal for this term. We the hosts wear what we like. I don't feel I have to wear a Bleach T-Shirt out to a club, but I will because I like it. If someone doesn't want to know me because of what I'm wearing or because they KNOW what I'm wearing: I probably do not want to know you.

2) Watch PatrickDs latest podcast on The Chibi Project. As the camera goes down the line of the folks in line there waiting...THOSE...those are the people I donate my time for as I have done for FREE for over a year to do AnimeTV. Not for self-proclaimed journalists or 45 year olds or 45-year-old journalists.

3) My segment is "me". They wanted to do an interview. I wanted to have imaginary ninjas. I felt more G.I.Joe than Connie Chung. It's suppose to be fun. I'm sorry folks didn't get it; it was my idea to do it that way. But you must freely admit kicking a tin can down a street is more "fun" when you have to look out for "ninjas".

The show isn't perfect--admitted. Try harder?--Indeed. And for the record I'd rather talk to Laura any day of the week whether Raye Penber is hotter than "L" than to talk about the garbage going on Wisteria Lane or Seattle Grace hospital.


p.s. I secretly chuckled when a comment was made about us reviewing lesser known anime when the suggestions were Elfen Lied (hugely famous for the amount of gore and also on of ADV's top selling releases of 2005), Hellsing (anyone NOT seen this?), Ninja scroll (a total classic hand-in-hand with Akira), Gundam Seed destiny (anyone who has not heard of any Gundam is a noob).

Alright.

1."Nothing geeky will EVER be cool or sexy and and nothing chic will be truly geeky."- This is just wrong. I think Apple is perfect example of how very wrong this old way of thinking is. Iphones are super geeky and have been adopted by pretty much everyone but this is just one small example.

This idea that nothing geeky can be cool is really a huge slap in the face to all the people on revision 3. You have basically labeled all of Rev3 content (internet television,ooo NERDS!) as uncool because its geeky. Please take a look at Diggnation. Please take a look at their following. Please take a look at their success.


2.This is a fair point. Everyone finds their own motivation for doing what they want to do. However, as many of your colleagues have stated they want this show to appeal to a broad audience. Rev3 is not the same demo as your previous distribution demo (from what I gather from comments). So while you may not like the 45 year olds or journalists (:]), this may be a portion of your audience here on Rev3 and I hope you can come to understand them as well. Also on a personal note, I am not 45,but I consider myself mature. I don't feel like age should have anything to do with the criticisms that people find with your show. Just because people didn't like certain parts doesn't mean they have to be old men. Perhaps the segment was not good.


3.Fair point as well. I think your particular segment was geared for a younger audience, and perhaps they just don't use the forums much. For me personally, and it seems a few others it was a little too silly for our tastes.

"But you must freely admit kicking a tin can down a street is more "fun" when you have to look out for "ninjas"."- I would be more scared for my life! To me traveling to bang zoom was like a cake dessert, it was already tasty in itself. What you did was add tons of spinkles and chocolate flakes and gummi bears on top. Some people may just love sugar, but if this horrible analogy makes sense, it was too sweet for me.


P.S.- It was me who posted that comment. No reason to beat around the bush, and yea there is an arguement for popularity of the animes I mentioned. I think outside the anime convention followers there is a good bit of people that may only occasionally see anime, those are recommendations for them. You are an expert in this field(you host the show) so many of those suggestions are elementary for you. And seeing that you reviewed GHOST IN THE SHELL as your opening episode things like Gantz, Elfen lied and other seinen series are considered lesser known, in my opinion.

[henchman21]

The show has 'potential' but tries way to hard. Your review round table needs to learn how to review anime. Tell us why it's great or not, explain the high's and low's of the DVD, give us the in's and out's of sound, art, story, character development. GUSHING over an anime and declaring it <fill in the blank> is NOT a review it's an opinion , and it makes you come off looking ridiculous when you are trying to establish some (reviewer) credibility.
Also don't throw out crap like "if you're a true Anime fan". What appeals to one does not appeal to all. Also get your facts straight. Ghost in the Shell was an influence for the Matrix not it's inspiration, also I,Robot was written in 1950. I doubt Shirow Masumune had much influence on Mr. Asimov's story. You are here to review, not to decide who is or isn't an Anime fan. (just for disclosure I do own Ghost in the Shell and GitS2:Innocence, I don't own Akira).

This all brings me back to my first point, you are trying to hard. Relax, stop fidgeting or making faces when the camera is on you and explain the merits of said anime.
And for the love of god stop watching English DUBS. So much is lost by lousy voice actors, case in point the Major's english seiyu was horrible. Which is probably why she didn't get more work after that gig.

[maxhdrm]

Subbed/Dubbed the point is moot. Some of the best anime is excellently dubbed (i.e. Akira) It almost looked like it was drawn for English. Any one intelligent knows that not all the Japanese words can be translated into English typically because we do not have a word to represent it. So as with dubbing they improvise.

Personally, I would rather hear it then read it. I have watched anime where the dubbing was almost damn near in the center of the picture so the white fonts blended with some of the background. It's not about the method but about how well that method is utilized.

on another note...IT?S MORPHINE TIME....!! sorry had to be done.

I am impressed with Johnny's voice over line-up career. I would definitely say that makes him a defacto in the Anime realm.

That said I do have to agree with Henchmen on the adaquete ability to cretique anime and earn creds. That is of course if that is what you are going for or simply enlightning anime fans to the kinds of titles out their. Me, the potential IS there but I want more details.

[kevie]

Hey all
editor for the show talking here(who is also a trs fan)
thanks for all the enlightening points.
Parts about the anime we review - the types of anime we review will get better and more up to date as the show goes on also how we review will get better as well. I unfortunately have to cut a lot out for time sake and as my knowledge increases about whats important for anime fans to know the reviews will hopefully improve.

This first few episodes are "feeler" episodes trying to figure out what you like and dont like.
to be honest with you we have already shot 8 couch segments and i am currently editing episode 2 :S.

Keep the comments coming because in the end its your show as well.

[pantsless]

Originally Posted by snorlaxxx

so i just thought I'd respond to some of the comments..."It's better to be talked about than not talked about at all," said Oscar Wilde.
I sat here for two hours attempting to come up with a response to some of the just plain "wrongness" I read in the posts and after many drafts I politely and by politely I say these things...

1) I personally feel "geek chic" is oxymoronic. Nothing geeky will EVER be cool or sexy and and nothing chic will be truly geeky. I blame Hollywood and Jake Gyllenhaal for this term. We the hosts wear what we like. I don't feel I have to wear a Bleach T-Shirt out to a club, but I will because I like it. If someone doesn't want to know me because of what I'm wearing or because they KNOW what I'm wearing: I probably do not want to know you.

2) Watch PatrickDs latest podcast on The Chibi Project. As the camera goes down the line of the folks in line there waiting...THOSE...those are the people I donate my time for as I have done for FREE for over a year to do AnimeTV. Not for self-proclaimed journalists or 45 year olds or 45-year-old journalists.

3) My segment is "me". They wanted to do an interview. I wanted to have imaginary ninjas. I felt more G.I.Joe than Connie Chung. It's suppose to be fun. I'm sorry folks didn't get it; it was my idea to do it that way. But you must freely admit kicking a tin can down a street is more "fun" when you have to look out for "ninjas".

The show isn't perfect--admitted. Try harder?--Indeed. And for the record I'd rather talk to Laura any day of the week whether Raye Penber is hotter than "L" than to talk about the garbage going on Wisteria Lane or Seattle Grace hospital.


p.s. I secretly chuckled when a comment was made about us reviewing lesser known anime when the suggestions were Elfen Lied (hugely famous for the amount of gore and also on of ADV's top selling releases of 2005), Hellsing (anyone NOT seen this?), Ninja scroll (a total classic hand-in-hand with Akira), Gundam Seed destiny (anyone who has not heard of any Gundam is a noob).

Wow, way to go trying to alienate your audience after the first show! I know you're trying to be polite, but you came off as someone who can't take criticism.

Yes, I am a "so called" journalist. I'm a 21 year old journalism student in my final semester at Columbia College Chicago, but you seemed to have missed my point. I write about video games and technology. We see fanboys all the time. Hell, I've even written an article about it. (http://www.couchathletics.com/content/fanboyism). I was comparing the fanboyism and devotion here, to that in the industries I follow, I was saying I understand. But people also find this to be, well, off-putting. It makes our respective fanbases look more eccentric and off-kilter than is true.

As for your specific segment, I didn't have a problem with you running through the halls and the interviews, though you seemed rather...intense. I had a problem with the quick and jarring jumps and flashing on screen. While nowhere near the seizure causing episode of Pokemon, it's distracting and annoying.

As others have said before, Revision 3 is a different outlet than you're used to. I know these are feeler episodes, it's only episode one after all, but you could lose viewers if you try to attack people in such a way.

But what do I know, I'm a so called journalist eh?

[animetvroy]

Yeah! What he said, But actually I can attest to Kevin really coming around to the ideas of anime. And while AnimeTv will not personally cater to my needs. (I am a self proclaimed American Otaku - From conventions to the dredges of old Sho-town- I love them all) may not cater to the older journalist, the idea is tat AnimeTv introduces the viewer to something new, or reminds us that its out there.

Truthfully, the kinks and bumps will be worked out over the evolution of us, its only natural to feel them the first episodes out, but regardless of what your criticisms of the show are, I noticed that the criticisms are getting more and more spaced out between discussions of whether or not you agree or disagree, having problems with claims made by the cast, or you downright want to share your own opinion.

In this regard the true intention of AnimeTv has succeeded in my opinion. Everything else beyond that is cake. If you don't believe in our credibility then challenge it, if you think I do not know what I am saying or that I cant review a stick let alone a sprawling episodic story, say so. Your opinion counts. It is the show for the fan.

There was a comment earlier about only those who follow conventions or the like are the people who watch anime regullarly. Next time you are on a bus, any bus, examine the people riding it. Truth is alot more people than you think watch, for some of them its ingrained and others feel cut off, if ATv can bridge that gap in any way - we will find it, that way people have an idea and others won't just consider Anime a niche market anymore.

[rdpillz]

I think this show can learn a lot from Diggnation and TRS. I watch these shows not because they try to appeal to me with all kinds of flash but because i care about the host's opinions and enjoy the discussions they have. I don't find them to be too serious, they can be silly at times, the intros of both shows for example, but its not over the top and don't distract me from what i actually care about, the content itself. Too much flash is what destroyed techtv when it became G4TV, I hate to see this kinda thing leaching into my favorite content provider.

Also, the 'Anime Tv Go!!!!' gimmick these guys are trying sell is abit much. It reminds me of the fist punch thing they do on TRS, but what they do on TRS isn't so bad, its a little bit of the hosts personality thrown out every time they do it. But if TRS screamed in my face "Totally Rad Show!!!!!!!!!"every time they did it, I probably would started posting in this forum 3 years ago in what most likely would of been a vain attempt to stop it.

And in response to the person talking about expressing they're personality threw there clothes, me personality i don't care what a person wears. A fan of anime is not a fan becuase they like the memorabilia. To me a fan is someone who enjoys the stories, the style, the originality that can be found in an anime. When i first started watching anime, Akira, Ninja Scroll, Devilman, Gundam wing, Foolie Koolie haha, it was soo different from anything i ever experienced before, and for me that is what i love about anime.

[suprstrpj]

yikes. just watched the ep... reminded me of that sakura-con commercial that makes anime lovers look super cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP5lz2CYNR4