Movie: Avengers (2012)

[jtv]

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Maybe someone who understands the Hulk can explain this. What changed between the first Hulk scene and the second enabling Banner to control himself while he's the Hulk?

On the helicarrier he was rampaging around destroying everything and everyone in sight, including people trying to help him. He was trying to kill Black Widow and Thor. Then the second time, Cap is giving him orders (albeit simple ones) and he's actually following them and he seemed to recognize who was his friend and who was his enemy.

My friend thinks it might have something to do with how he turns into the Hulk. The second time was by choice, so he was more in control. He's just guessing, but it seems like as good an explanation as any. Banner seemed so paranoid about it for the first hour that it implied he doesn't have any control.

I realize he's had various levels of control in the comic book over the years, but the second scene seemed more like a grey Hulk scene than a green Hulk scene, and I'm just wondering if there was an explanation in the movie that I missed.

[wideawakewesley]

Originally Posted by jtv

My friend thinks it might have something to do with how he turns into the Hulk. The second time was by choice, so he was more in control. He's just guessing, but it seems like as good an explanation as any.

That's what I've read elsewhere. An uncontrolled change into the Hulk results in an uncontrollable Hulk.

[stubadub]

Originally Posted by jtv

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Maybe someone who understands the Hulk can explain this. What changed between the first Hulk scene and the second enabling Banner to control himself while he's the Hulk?

That was my take as well. In the first scene he is trying to fight it but he loses control and becomes the Hulk. In the last incredibly awesome sequence he says that his secret is he's always angry, and chooses to allow that anger to be released and almost instantly turns into the Hulk. The difference was he was in control of the change at that time.

[heyseuss]

Originally Posted by jtv

Maybe someone who understands the Hulk can explain this. What changed between the first Hulk scene and the second enabling Banner to control himself while he's the Hulk?

Dr.Phil books on tape. The Big Brother program. One of those desk-top Japanese rock gardens with a mini-rake. Organic, free range hormone-free chicken. Taylor Swift albums and/or the comedy of Jeff Dunham, while in a lavender, milk and honey hot bubble bath. Crocheting. Mini scale model revolutionary war reenactments, ... the painting their little belt buckles on really focuses his concentrative energies.. And, sudoku.

This is what I heard, it's implied in the movie, they just don't make a huge point of it.

[damnedeyez]

Originally Posted by stubadub

In the last incredibly awesome sequence

This...that scene alone made me wish, for the first time since I was a kid, that I'd found a midnight showing the first night and experienced the movie with a theatre full of fans.

From the moment Stark brought the party, the movie was just in epic overdrive...and the Hulk scenes were hilarious.

[cool8man]

This movie is simultaneously disappointing and thrilling. Disappointing because it is such a brainless romp void of any real plot and thrilling because it satisfyingly delivers almost every possible match-up an Avengers fan has ever wanted to see in a single movie.

I was disappointed that despite all the glowing reviews there wasn't a little bit more meat on the bones of this plot. I really dislike Thor overall because he is so ridiculously powerful that it requires these alien stories that lack the emotional human weight I've been able to get out of films like Batman Begins, Spider-man & Iron Man. Sequences with Thor and Loki actually became rubbery and cartoonish at times. Why did Loki even bother stabbing Thor?

Still not thrilled with Samuel L. Jackson's version of Nick Fury.

[stubadub]

Originally Posted by cool8man

Still not thrilled with Samuel L. Jackson's version of Nick Fury.

Were you also not a fan of the Ultimates version of Nick Fury, since that was based on Sam Jackson?

[cool8man]

Originally Posted by stubadub

Were you also not a fan of the Ultimates version of Nick Fury, since that was based on Sam Jackson?

I only know old school Nick Fury. Sam Jackson doesn't seem like a grizzled old war hardened bastard to me. Even his eyepatch scars look ridiculously fake. Brad Pitt in Inglorious Basterds is a better Nick Fury than Sam Jackson's version.

Can we even call what Sam Jackson does at this point acting? You can dress him up in all kinds of crazy outfits robes/lightsabers/eye patches, but he plays the same role in every single movie. Like so many other "actors" who do this, his shtick has become a bit boring for me. I don't even see the character I just see Sam Jackson with a stupid costume.

[stubadub]

Originally Posted by cool8man

I only know old school Nick Fury. Sam Jackson doesn't seem like a grizzled old war hardened bastard to me. Even his eyepatch scars look ridiculously fake. Brad Pitt in Inglorious Basterds is a better Nick Fury than Sam Jackson's version.

Can we even call what Sam Jackson does at this point acting? You can dress him up in all kinds of crazy outfits robes/lightsabers/eye patches, but he plays the same role in every single movie. Like so many other "actors" who do this, his shtick has become a bit boring for me. I don't even see the character I just see Sam Jackson with a stupid costume.

I have no trouble seeing him as war hardened Nick Fury, but I'm also very familiar with Nick Fury from both Marvel Universes. From the moment I saw the Sam Jackson take on him I pretty much thought "bad ass!" and never looked back.

He doesn't have a very wide range but when the part is right I think he's very good at what he does. Jules from Pulp Fiction and Ordell from Jackie Brown are both criminals, but Jules is a guy that's had a job that he's no longer comfortable with. He's not doing it because he's sadistic, it's just the career path he's chosen for himself because he's good at it (he is a bad motherfucker after all). Ordell has a darker edge to him. He wants you to think he's cool as shit, but there is a mean streak under the surface. Each character is written this way, but it's the performance that makes those things real.

I can't imagine Eve's Bayou, Unbreakable, Black Snake Moan or even the Avengers without him. It's all about using the right tool for the job. Sometimes he is definitely the right tool.

(Side note: if you are interested in old school Nick Fury, the new Marvel series Fury written by Garth Ennis is worth checking out)

[axtimus_prime]

Originally Posted by stubadub

I can't imagine Eve's Bayou, Unbreakable, Black Snake Moan or even the Avengers without him. It's all about using the right tool for the job. Sometimes he is definitely the right tool.

Don't forget Die Hard with a Vengeance.