Gphone, D: All Things Digital
Thursday, September 6th, 2007 running time 25:24
Google's Gphone: Engadget's Ryan Block separates fact from fiction. D: All Things Digital's Kara Swisher talks about Murdoch, Facebook, and why Yahoo better step it up. Hitlines: ad blocking software vs. revenue, Chinese military hacks the Pentagon!
Description: So what's up with the Gphone?
Endadget Editor-in-chief Ryan Block stops by to separate fact from fiction with Joyce and Om.
Plus, All Things Digital's Kara Swisher chats about Rupert Murdoch, Facebook's overvaluation, and why Yahoo better step it up.
On The Hitlines
5) SolFocus, the solar engery company, raises $52M!
4) Is everyone's revenue model dead? Adblock Plus use on Firefox is growing, fast enough to warrant attention from The New York Times Whiting Out the Ads, but at What Cost?, while paidContent.org hears the Murmuring of Publisher Protest against Firefox.
3) H4x03d! Chinese Military Hacks the Pentagon
2) Microsoft Loses Open Document Vote
1) Google's Gphone - fact or fiction? Om's got Five Facts About Google Phone, Engadget says "the persistent Google Phone rumor -- begun so many eons ago (er, last year) -- has been on the fast track as of late."
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" The get go home show you sponsored by jangled. Hello and welcome to the GigaOM show I'm home and I enjoy this and this week we have some interest -- picked lions. First one sole focus raises 52 million dollars so focused as one of that. Many solar. Related startups there is means 52. Million dollars."
" They had just busting advocates raising money they did the same thing with their series date almost increasing evaluations seven times in the course negotiations. But looks like they're at it again and there are you know raising money hand over -- for some great technology from what we -- right but nobody actually -- there was a senior -- post is so it's supposed to take mirrors that concentrate the solar energy into the solar panels and allows for increased productivity off the solar panels green tech is and you dot com yep yep. So moving right along our best -- I'm number four is revenue model killer on the rise this is coming up the story and on and line that's talking about ad block plus which is this new ad blocking software that -- has about two point five million users it. Privileged -- up ads that show on your on your screen. They're growing at a pretty rapid clip 400000 users more each month."
" these guys are good. Be welcome or leave it Firefox it's a Firefox add on for rice and -- I've heard that Firefox might actually be breathing a similar technology -- Right into the browser right not such a good thing for my business and -- for everybody else has had a lot of isn't finished like. This is what I don't understand is they've killed the business model. Then the technology relaxing -- beaches. You know let us have serving on -- and I you know I understand those sometimes act can be annoying part our -- abandoned him so it's a pretty."
" We're a tough situation -- a from the consumer standpoint you know you don't want to be. Barrage of unnecessary knowing and -- and from the publisher's point you've you want to be smart about it don't. Give your your viewers or your your visitors think they don't want to see frank. That's -- thing."
" Hopefully you know we figure artery to overcome this. The next headline news Chinese military attacks the Pentagon."
" Flop if you know should assume that they've always been doing that."
" You know here's a scary part of practice. They've had the Germans are complaining of are similar things similar issues. I -- the big issue that is you have to Chinese companies TTE. And long range who have been links with the Chinese military. Water becoming primary suppliers of hardware. Go all the new networks where that is programme bankrupt Telecom networks IP TV. DSL and -- and I you just kinda wonder like you know pay homage of the infrastructure is being exposed. And make homage to this is. You know going to come back and -- us."
" We're seeing it happen in the oil industry where. US government stopped you know investments oil companies from foreign. Holders and also the same thing in the ports industry right. -- releasing the same thing in technology issue of the US government like the fresher we'll stop letting us use blackberries appeared in major McGovern position our. You know. Take otherwise protectionist actions of security American market yeah."
" This bothers me a lot. Not a little unlocked I think this is gonna get scared you the skiers."
" We'll keep an I had it -- number two hit line is Microsoft loses open dot vote. So it isn't all about is Microsoft was trying to -- track there open XML document standard and was. You know carried out some questionable lobbying tactics in the eyes so to get that through and it looks like people's -- up and it's their vote didn't pass."
" I think he was benchmark number I think the exposure. Risk of all the things became just too much bikinis I mean this Swedish guys. -- to back track because -- you know somebody is getting paid now right. Taking care off and I think you know large companies do that and you know can you accusing Microsoft -- for every no. I'm just saying you know they've they agrees the -- okay you know that's happens all the time and I think this time. We'll be social media being out there right I think gave back fact -- unit check and balance right now or process and that's a good -- Is it and that brings us to our number one story. Pitches. He -- the Google phone is it fact or fiction. And harder to talk about that we have a special guest. Ryan Block from engadget you know the thing that Google gadgets."
" Just a little thing. We'll thank you so much that you and I appreciate -- and let us know what do you -- about the -- Well you know all knows a lot about it too so I don't want you know -- conversation here but. Then -- hearing that's been development for a couple of years after they've bought start up in 2005 I think called android. Which is -- founded by in the same people who did danger which can sidekick. So you know its mobile software and technology company. And they've been working on it kind of itself Iverson's and now we're starting here than in the next couple weeks or months they're going to be -- announcing. -- software platform that will be heavily integrated with Google services like docs and Gmail calendars all of us. And that'll be kind of taking on the other mobile software -- for."
" I'm told that it's also going to be more open -- one -- just who -- so since there's going to be some more of an open platform rather than just. Just being the groove and platform unlike iPhone can -- notes."
" Right again I -- I think that's the expected I don't think they can really expected to come in in in -- closed platform has. You know they have a lot of really great web services and I think what they want to do with this mobile play is. Kind of play team this nonexistent market really well integrated. Mobile web services and you how mobile web services on phones and and you know connected device is right now but they're not really integrated with. Your data in the cloud everything is seen to this about server war sync to my -- he wore just happen on the phone."
" Frank I think be the interesting part of this is like. The strategy behind this is to basically contract Windows Mobile I think that's -- I kinda get a sense it's not about. You just I'm a -- on its not about the iPhone. It's not about computing -- Nokia. It's kind of competing with Windows Mobile -- is you know that's emerging as a really major mobile platform what do you think --"
" Well I mean I I think that. The only reason it wouldn't be really competitive and knocking in America as it has not yet at sixty and to a lesser extent passport is not really huge player. In America but I think you know brought worldwide I mean who goes you know it's not just he's in America I think it's going to be. Taking on the Symbian phones as well as Windows Mobile phones yeah I mean there's a couple of the -- platforms and I think. They've they're going to really began you know locking horns. And that. Given just the iphone's you know really media centric capabilities I don't think that's the primary target."
" I think Fed -- says school funnel whatever we call -- much -- a business machine. And taking on the market and not I'll stay for the --"
" Well I mean I don't think it's going to be really you know a business machine or or you know and end user machine or anything I mean it's they're building operating system for mobile operating system and they want to make it flexible and accessible and expendable and -- and that will be whatever you needed to be so he needs to. Customize that software for you know your business takes advantage who have documents then you know you'll have that capability and I think if you really want to have awesome Gmail integration which. Really no phone has right now than to have that option to."
" Can -- do when you think it'll be coming out -- to each put an estimate."
" I would say they need this year October. November timeframe. Or march plumbing the thing is they may announce."
" The softer this year and have heard that there they're planning to do the announcements. In September after Labor Day which it has now. That could be any time but that doesn't necessarily mean they're going to have devices immediately you know -- they're. Supplying one component. You know many -- have to have the mobile -- the place and you have to have you know some software that the carriers want to have on mobile operating system. Not have the devices and you have to get the care agreements in place it's it's a lengthy process."
" Right well when it comes out hopefully come back and you know. Do the guys section on the home on the hair and tell us what you really think that's -- I can't wait Ryan thanks so much."
" And we'll be back in just a moment whenever guests Kara swisher of all things digital."
" Hey welcome back I'm home she's Joyce and me talking to Karen Fisher. A little known columnist and author of blog called boom town. And Hugh Osmond on and they're conference caught on things can read rich on this show I invite you you can get and that's Montero."
" You can come and you just have to -- right people well and encompassing announcement that invitational in conference. Thank you Communist that The Wall Street Journal that anybody in -- come on don't tell that him teasing right in the you you know. Mr. Murdoch taking over he's not a Communist pressure right what do you think about that. Well -- thank you for premium spot well it will signal the city it's a really interesting time for the journal on that we needed big company to help us. It the next level and most people. Pretty much agree that the journal's most under leveraged Brandon all of financial journalists in the tunnel journalists and so it'll be interesting to see. What will be like under. Company that has a lot of room and marketing and and power globally -- know there's issues about him and we'll be watching obviously and everybody was concerned about his history. And in many cases justifiably so we'll see how we -- it's bluntly what are they still concerned I'm -- how people are still concerned that. It's it's a done deal so what do we let's just say let's just say let's take it for as it goes in you know I think if he does. Try to Matalin and save recovering China and they tried to pull back that would be a massive issue for journalists and legitimately concerned. Going to be able to do the kind journals and The Wall Street Journal is known for really high standards. Being able to do what we want without meddling from a corporate entity but that's him. We've had this family who's been relatively benign for years letting us do we want but -- there's. There's issues in the business because of that and so we'll just see if there's that kind of meddling. That he is has been known for in the past but we'll see I can imagine he will listen -- that -- are there pets like I'm not watching I don't think people the people who do serious investigative pieces of the journal I think a very serious and you know people want to work for company they feel they can those kind of reporters that can do that kind of work and can write -- you know you just want to see an exodus of journalists it would look bad all around really really greatest."
" Solution but it -- it's getting tough story taken. -- changing work my investigative journalism and I just had to John our editor is becoming different card. Do you see any you know any rules the bloggers filling in as we go long into the future use."
" Actually right now that's been added if I think but I think for example with Dan rather thing that happened many was a really big moment for me when. You know that it would've taken Lincoln dog's name regular media reporters to figure out that that that report was full of holes. And it took bloggers you know five seconds now not every blogger. Was terrific I'd say 90% and just didn't like Dan rather but the 2% that really nailed him nailed him cold. And so I think that was kind of an interesting moment and right now bloggers from additive in doing their own investigations but that's changed on many stories you know wherever really good reporting comes from -- doesn't matter I think this. I'm dichotomy is kind of idiotic you know really great reporters can come from anyway. And it doesn't have to -- additional media is that the reason you have started. Embracing the blogging format racing at the -- I have been embracing -- forever now Romano not every traditional media person. Hates the blogs I -- the minute they started. We just felt that we wanted to do this while I want to do this for a long time we did the conference first but we were always pushing the journal to start this web site. I've always I've always thought that online was the future from the beginning when I was covering it and I I don't imagine I'm gonna write for print publication -- again. So -- most damning stuff goes yeah except goes into the print publication that's find it. I don't imagine people care about where they get their news I mean that's the thing is when -- safe to say speeches was that if they want to print The Wall Street Journal on salami and people want to eat it that's fine -- it doesn't matter the distribution vehicle doesn't matter. It matters is the quality and standards and that was what was important to take in the blogging world. Which I think in some ways early on was lacking but at the same time that some really great bloggers early -- like yourself."
" Well naturally with independents that the print media used to having veteran -- journalist known for the same time you see a lot of people's concerns about. Independence and in the blogging world and threatened. And disclosures and want to -- it -- yourself and your displeasure -- I was very very impressed the level -- banks are protected -- you have the length of everything else about Brett really different pages and pages disclosure what do you feel how about that level of disclosure in the blogging -- you feel like people are falling behind on an honest living up to stand up print journalism has traditionally seen."
" Let me say I don't think traditional journalists have always disclosed as much sanction of so you know you can't like go from on high to people on sale -- use your terrible. I think what we decided was that that transparency was critical and because there we wanted to go for high standards based. Hi transparency hikes closure we put everything in there everything you want to know about any of our things as much as we -- and if you're missing something we'll definitely add them but I don't think we are actually considering how long and detailed disclosures are. They're there is some concern about the level of disclosure just like any early public any any kind of early. Media which this is that everybody isn't disclosing what they need to do. And there's no professional body. Doing -- you people ought to do on their own and there's been a lot of corrupt. Bloggers to just happened but they're bankrupt reporters -- most egregious examples you've seen in the Clinton coming you know I don't followed as closely as they should because I don't do it myself that you can't you know you can't own stock in companies that you write about without telling people -- even and you have to really be very careful about what she sat right I think something as basic as that I think that this has happened that's obvious it's happened and then there is also the element of the crowd. Smacks you -- nice thing right that's trailer park I was -- you aren't just yet you -- smack for that print and they -- laden. But I think that that happened rather quickly you know that's a great by the feedback cycles amazing but it's happened with traditional. Journalists also with the Jayson Blair thing which was from a traditional media company but what."
" What was that wrong by Bob Marley you can fool some people with some of the time but not all of the time I think it eventually catches up to you yeah. Let's talk about more fun stuff you know that let's talk about your favorite company into one. There's so many British food that is FaceBook or Yahoo! to."
" I'll start with FaceBook which is sort of the hot to talk to company of the moment and I you know thumb. I don't know mark Zuckerberg is certainly an enigma I think we all agree and his -- him. I think they probably will but that means they have to show their financial. Information which should be -- as a -- each I have to shareholders are going have to describe exactly exactly. I think they probably are on that path because I think mark Zuckerberg for my encounters with him believe that he's got a Google here. I'm not so certain but you know he he believes that metaphor that's probably why they're on that path giving him so much control of the company. I think they're really interesting company I think there it's really cool that they're growing so fast. And if there's a little bit of self reverential stuffed with in Silicon Valley is everyone joins it and everybody thinks everyone joins it because silicon valley's interested -- it. Not so much to -- country and segments idea this system be times and it reminds me a tiny bit of AOL and I hate you know I've said this to the face of people blame economy but it's it's like the new souped up version and they want to me it's a closed. Time sucking. You know put your pictures up you know talk to each other kind of system it's -- go lower you go in and just get information leave kind of thing it's not the same kind of confident of the engagement yeah I mean I think it's interesting that I -- a sense of a fatigue factor will province and in. Resent the fact that they have to keep growing. -- screw this kind of thing. And I sense that they can figure out a way to get advertising to really pay -- and as much as they talk about it I still don't see the results acting."
" The other aspect of this whole fist of -- and you've discussed this in the past is that. MySpace for the Nvidia silicon value creation so -- back. Send so this is what we've done this is all of via -- that's like or whatever guys I mean this is the best you can come up for it."
" I think it's actually very good service you have -- lengthy period -- useful and relevant I just an interview with the guys have a new head of Linkedin. I thought was interesting. I think all these IDL these services -- experts still the same thing that AOL was pioneering all the others and Yahoo! my Yahoo!. Is this idea of a place to live on the web earlier information is that's never going to go away turning we'll see if it's worth ten billion dollars now the -- FaceBook is the past is Yahoo!'s outside in the future. Is -- Yahoo! in the past. You know I don't know I read a lot of idea when I actually kind of hard on them. Mostly because they had the opportunity there seems to be still so huge and with all those millions tens of millions of people coming through that website. You have to be able to make money and and do innovative things there it's pretty hard not to make money. But you know they've definitely done on stumbles they definitely didn't keep up with innovation which is very hard as AOL and other companies have found Netscape -- million of these companies -- you know they never had to mapping a very yet they're very behind. They have been aggressive they sort of didn't do all sorts of things and now they're trying to revive himself with everybody scrutinizing them. You know every move they make an of course they keep making the stumble -- list management changes -- every ten minutes of -- their way. They can't be a little smoother on that aspect could just calls attention their their troublesome people are leaving that company there's terrorism is all all of -- Silicon Valley. Some that said they have amazing properties Flickr they've got on this email well just reviewed thought it was terrific and it is. They got us it's really wonderful media assets and I think there issue is that they're not Google and they're never going to be. Admit to except that the Obama who."
" Month he ought to have to do that -- you know before we go way I just find this is the question which has always been. You know I won't want to -- QU colored the last boom yeah hence the name boom town right. And you're covering this current portion all right tell us how are two different because I didn't really lived through the Volvo has."
" Oh you didn't that was fun at parties were great -- appliances has -- only gotten much better better food better bang on things like that. So what was really interesting was was I think this time is a little its equipment at the same as a bubble because it's not being foisted on the investing public with these idiotic IPOs. So it's just the venture capitalists that are that -- and their investors I don't really care what happens to that you -- there there in the business of risk. And therefore they should should take risks so. There's a lot of companies are really quite useful a lot of my feature companies and should be bought. But I don't think there's quite as much about the Ponzi scheme that existed in the last one these are really quite good companies some of them but they still they are not companies that. Really are destined to IPO. I have a big hit big thing against which it's right now authorities widget companies excitement going public and I think it's laughable. That a lot of them are I mean again talk about it trend that'll dry up rather quickly. You know when they talk about you know the ability to sell advertising all across all these companies I'm like well there's only so much advertising in so many so much audience. Again we look it. (%expletive) on there on their part but why not not -- contract. It actually has been the -- be going up an expert on a couple of is fine it's a -- and I think it's a dangerous bubble compared to the last was really seriously. And worked. Money. Fueled investment banker and venture capitalists. Me kind of think I Don and this is more about -- a lot of these companies they're getting funded. And we'll see what happens they'll be a shake out and they won't all be around but they're all really. Actually quite there's no pets dot com here I don't see anyone that I look at and saying oh my god what a ridiculous. -- ridiculous company they're all useful in their own way."
" That I've seen and I hope you come backs him showing up for a while teachers by the way since my -- teacher. Excellent I do like this like this idea that consumers in charge now that the most important thing. Policy peacefully among Jason -- can turn it. And at home all roads lead to own a hard to say I think it's a night at OK you know things happening I'm -- and posters and."
" You be back in -- of feedback places."
" Hey welcome back to the GigaOM show I'm alone she's joyous and -- viewer feedback. They can get to enjoy this."
" Good we have Marshall reading into saying I'm really cheering for you and your new show -- these potentially great guests are getting ET press harder with more critical questions and persistence. They're trying as hard as they can to smile and be boring it's driving me nuts."
" Our hearts are forced to follow -- I'm not drinking coffee so that doesn't make me cranky. Enough so I'm gonna try and be more -- get these press the -- hard you know I asked tough questions and you know but we don't have to be. You know well fighting with."
" apartment is having intelligent conversation and and really care what they. Have to say on their -- time right after people when there are major issue is coming and you see us doing our best that kind of put them in the hunt -- and and get some real answers grave and the number two you really have. I can't leave this securely ticket amount just to order to leave this kind of stuff this. So Mitch aren't -- and Blake T they are right in there kid tech geniuses I don't think so. They're ready to say. We're wondering why you never talk about the open source world we really like hacking stuff but my friend and I notice that you like never ever ever ever talk about Linux."
" This is some more guys pretending to be young. Are there like you is the system you -- came to us I am now. But guy gets -- open source Greenwich firmament and it's right. And we can get some you know great open source you know people on the show that's been discussion."
" There's no doubt I mean on both appreciate that stuff that open source is given to the tech comedian where huge supporter and everything that they've been doing you have a big."
" You know background and open source you've talked -- if you."
" That's -- we'll get to that in the episode when time comes up but in the meantime keep sending us your viewer feedback at. -- home at revision3.com. Forward looking forward to getting more feedback from now. And weren't you working on those dream guest list that you guys have been getting for us -- And -- be back makes -- more exciting stuff."
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" The get go home show you sponsored by jangled. Hello and welcome to the GigaOM show I'm home and I enjoy this and this week we have some interest -- picked lions. First one sole focus raises 52 million dollars so focused as one of that. Many solar. Related startups there is means 52. Million dollars."
" They had just busting advocates raising money they did the same thing with their series date almost increasing evaluations seven times in the course negotiations. But looks like they're at it again and there are you know raising money hand over -- for some great technology from what we -- right but nobody actually -- there was a senior -- post is so it's supposed to take mirrors that concentrate the solar energy into the solar panels and allows for increased productivity off the solar panels green tech is and you dot com yep yep. So moving right along our best -- I'm number four is revenue model killer on the rise this is coming up the story and on and line that's talking about ad block plus which is this new ad blocking software that -- has about two point five million users it. Privileged -- up ads that show on your on your screen. They're growing at a pretty rapid clip 400000 users more each month."
" these guys are good. Be welcome or leave it Firefox it's a Firefox add on for rice and -- I've heard that Firefox might actually be breathing a similar technology -- Right into the browser right not such a good thing for my business and -- for everybody else has had a lot of isn't finished like. This is what I don't understand is they've killed the business model. Then the technology relaxing -- beaches. You know let us have serving on -- and I you know I understand those sometimes act can be annoying part our -- abandoned him so it's a pretty."
" We're a tough situation -- a from the consumer standpoint you know you don't want to be. Barrage of unnecessary knowing and -- and from the publisher's point you've you want to be smart about it don't. Give your your viewers or your your visitors think they don't want to see frank. That's -- thing."
" Hopefully you know we figure artery to overcome this. The next headline news Chinese military attacks the Pentagon."
" Flop if you know should assume that they've always been doing that."
" You know here's a scary part of practice. They've had the Germans are complaining of are similar things similar issues. I -- the big issue that is you have to Chinese companies TTE. And long range who have been links with the Chinese military. Water becoming primary suppliers of hardware. Go all the new networks where that is programme bankrupt Telecom networks IP TV. DSL and -- and I you just kinda wonder like you know pay homage of the infrastructure is being exposed. And make homage to this is. You know going to come back and -- us."
" We're seeing it happen in the oil industry where. US government stopped you know investments oil companies from foreign. Holders and also the same thing in the ports industry right. -- releasing the same thing in technology issue of the US government like the fresher we'll stop letting us use blackberries appeared in major McGovern position our. You know. Take otherwise protectionist actions of security American market yeah."
" This bothers me a lot. Not a little unlocked I think this is gonna get scared you the skiers."
" We'll keep an I had it -- number two hit line is Microsoft loses open dot vote. So it isn't all about is Microsoft was trying to -- track there open XML document standard and was. You know carried out some questionable lobbying tactics in the eyes so to get that through and it looks like people's -- up and it's their vote didn't pass."
" I think he was benchmark number I think the exposure. Risk of all the things became just too much bikinis I mean this Swedish guys. -- to back track because -- you know somebody is getting paid now right. Taking care off and I think you know large companies do that and you know can you accusing Microsoft -- for every no. I'm just saying you know they've they agrees the -- okay you know that's happens all the time and I think this time. We'll be social media being out there right I think gave back fact -- unit check and balance right now or process and that's a good -- Is it and that brings us to our number one story. Pitches. He -- the Google phone is it fact or fiction. And harder to talk about that we have a special guest. Ryan Block from engadget you know the thing that Google gadgets."
" Just a little thing. We'll thank you so much that you and I appreciate -- and let us know what do you -- about the -- Well you know all knows a lot about it too so I don't want you know -- conversation here but. Then -- hearing that's been development for a couple of years after they've bought start up in 2005 I think called android. Which is -- founded by in the same people who did danger which can sidekick. So you know its mobile software and technology company. And they've been working on it kind of itself Iverson's and now we're starting here than in the next couple weeks or months they're going to be -- announcing. -- software platform that will be heavily integrated with Google services like docs and Gmail calendars all of us. And that'll be kind of taking on the other mobile software -- for."
" I'm told that it's also going to be more open -- one -- just who -- so since there's going to be some more of an open platform rather than just. Just being the groove and platform unlike iPhone can -- notes."
" Right again I -- I think that's the expected I don't think they can really expected to come in in in -- closed platform has. You know they have a lot of really great web services and I think what they want to do with this mobile play is. Kind of play team this nonexistent market really well integrated. Mobile web services and you how mobile web services on phones and and you know connected device is right now but they're not really integrated with. Your data in the cloud everything is seen to this about server war sync to my -- he wore just happen on the phone."
" Frank I think be the interesting part of this is like. The strategy behind this is to basically contract Windows Mobile I think that's -- I kinda get a sense it's not about. You just I'm a -- on its not about the iPhone. It's not about computing -- Nokia. It's kind of competing with Windows Mobile -- is you know that's emerging as a really major mobile platform what do you think --"
" Well I mean I I think that. The only reason it wouldn't be really competitive and knocking in America as it has not yet at sixty and to a lesser extent passport is not really huge player. In America but I think you know brought worldwide I mean who goes you know it's not just he's in America I think it's going to be. Taking on the Symbian phones as well as Windows Mobile phones yeah I mean there's a couple of the -- platforms and I think. They've they're going to really began you know locking horns. And that. Given just the iphone's you know really media centric capabilities I don't think that's the primary target."
" I think Fed -- says school funnel whatever we call -- much -- a business machine. And taking on the market and not I'll stay for the --"
" Well I mean I don't think it's going to be really you know a business machine or or you know and end user machine or anything I mean it's they're building operating system for mobile operating system and they want to make it flexible and accessible and expendable and -- and that will be whatever you needed to be so he needs to. Customize that software for you know your business takes advantage who have documents then you know you'll have that capability and I think if you really want to have awesome Gmail integration which. Really no phone has right now than to have that option to."
" Can -- do when you think it'll be coming out -- to each put an estimate."
" I would say they need this year October. November timeframe. Or march plumbing the thing is they may announce."
" The softer this year and have heard that there they're planning to do the announcements. In September after Labor Day which it has now. That could be any time but that doesn't necessarily mean they're going to have devices immediately you know -- they're. Supplying one component. You know many -- have to have the mobile -- the place and you have to have you know some software that the carriers want to have on mobile operating system. Not have the devices and you have to get the care agreements in place it's it's a lengthy process."
" Right well when it comes out hopefully come back and you know. Do the guys section on the home on the hair and tell us what you really think that's -- I can't wait Ryan thanks so much."
" And we'll be back in just a moment whenever guests Kara swisher of all things digital."
" Hey welcome back I'm home she's Joyce and me talking to Karen Fisher. A little known columnist and author of blog called boom town. And Hugh Osmond on and they're conference caught on things can read rich on this show I invite you you can get and that's Montero."
" You can come and you just have to -- right people well and encompassing announcement that invitational in conference. Thank you Communist that The Wall Street Journal that anybody in -- come on don't tell that him teasing right in the you you know. Mr. Murdoch taking over he's not a Communist pressure right what do you think about that. Well -- thank you for premium spot well it will signal the city it's a really interesting time for the journal on that we needed big company to help us. It the next level and most people. Pretty much agree that the journal's most under leveraged Brandon all of financial journalists in the tunnel journalists and so it'll be interesting to see. What will be like under. Company that has a lot of room and marketing and and power globally -- know there's issues about him and we'll be watching obviously and everybody was concerned about his history. And in many cases justifiably so we'll see how we -- it's bluntly what are they still concerned I'm -- how people are still concerned that. It's it's a done deal so what do we let's just say let's just say let's take it for as it goes in you know I think if he does. Try to Matalin and save recovering China and they tried to pull back that would be a massive issue for journalists and legitimately concerned. Going to be able to do the kind journals and The Wall Street Journal is known for really high standards. Being able to do what we want without meddling from a corporate entity but that's him. We've had this family who's been relatively benign for years letting us do we want but -- there's. There's issues in the business because of that and so we'll just see if there's that kind of meddling. That he is has been known for in the past but we'll see I can imagine he will listen -- that -- are there pets like I'm not watching I don't think people the people who do serious investigative pieces of the journal I think a very serious and you know people want to work for company they feel they can those kind of reporters that can do that kind of work and can write -- you know you just want to see an exodus of journalists it would look bad all around really really greatest."
" Solution but it -- it's getting tough story taken. -- changing work my investigative journalism and I just had to John our editor is becoming different card. Do you see any you know any rules the bloggers filling in as we go long into the future use."
" Actually right now that's been added if I think but I think for example with Dan rather thing that happened many was a really big moment for me when. You know that it would've taken Lincoln dog's name regular media reporters to figure out that that that report was full of holes. And it took bloggers you know five seconds now not every blogger. Was terrific I'd say 90% and just didn't like Dan rather but the 2% that really nailed him nailed him cold. And so I think that was kind of an interesting moment and right now bloggers from additive in doing their own investigations but that's changed on many stories you know wherever really good reporting comes from -- doesn't matter I think this. I'm dichotomy is kind of idiotic you know really great reporters can come from anyway. And it doesn't have to -- additional media is that the reason you have started. Embracing the blogging format racing at the -- I have been embracing -- forever now Romano not every traditional media person. Hates the blogs I -- the minute they started. We just felt that we wanted to do this while I want to do this for a long time we did the conference first but we were always pushing the journal to start this web site. I've always I've always thought that online was the future from the beginning when I was covering it and I I don't imagine I'm gonna write for print publication -- again. So -- most damning stuff goes yeah except goes into the print publication that's find it. I don't imagine people care about where they get their news I mean that's the thing is when -- safe to say speeches was that if they want to print The Wall Street Journal on salami and people want to eat it that's fine -- it doesn't matter the distribution vehicle doesn't matter. It matters is the quality and standards and that was what was important to take in the blogging world. Which I think in some ways early on was lacking but at the same time that some really great bloggers early -- like yourself."
" Well naturally with independents that the print media used to having veteran -- journalist known for the same time you see a lot of people's concerns about. Independence and in the blogging world and threatened. And disclosures and want to -- it -- yourself and your displeasure -- I was very very impressed the level -- banks are protected -- you have the length of everything else about Brett really different pages and pages disclosure what do you feel how about that level of disclosure in the blogging -- you feel like people are falling behind on an honest living up to stand up print journalism has traditionally seen."
" Let me say I don't think traditional journalists have always disclosed as much sanction of so you know you can't like go from on high to people on sale -- use your terrible. I think what we decided was that that transparency was critical and because there we wanted to go for high standards based. Hi transparency hikes closure we put everything in there everything you want to know about any of our things as much as we -- and if you're missing something we'll definitely add them but I don't think we are actually considering how long and detailed disclosures are. They're there is some concern about the level of disclosure just like any early public any any kind of early. Media which this is that everybody isn't disclosing what they need to do. And there's no professional body. Doing -- you people ought to do on their own and there's been a lot of corrupt. Bloggers to just happened but they're bankrupt reporters -- most egregious examples you've seen in the Clinton coming you know I don't followed as closely as they should because I don't do it myself that you can't you know you can't own stock in companies that you write about without telling people -- even and you have to really be very careful about what she sat right I think something as basic as that I think that this has happened that's obvious it's happened and then there is also the element of the crowd. Smacks you -- nice thing right that's trailer park I was -- you aren't just yet you -- smack for that print and they -- laden. But I think that that happened rather quickly you know that's a great by the feedback cycles amazing but it's happened with traditional. Journalists also with the Jayson Blair thing which was from a traditional media company but what."
" What was that wrong by Bob Marley you can fool some people with some of the time but not all of the time I think it eventually catches up to you yeah. Let's talk about more fun stuff you know that let's talk about your favorite company into one. There's so many British food that is FaceBook or Yahoo! to."
" I'll start with FaceBook which is sort of the hot to talk to company of the moment and I you know thumb. I don't know mark Zuckerberg is certainly an enigma I think we all agree and his -- him. I think they probably will but that means they have to show their financial. Information which should be -- as a -- each I have to shareholders are going have to describe exactly exactly. I think they probably are on that path because I think mark Zuckerberg for my encounters with him believe that he's got a Google here. I'm not so certain but you know he he believes that metaphor that's probably why they're on that path giving him so much control of the company. I think they're really interesting company I think there it's really cool that they're growing so fast. And if there's a little bit of self reverential stuffed with in Silicon Valley is everyone joins it and everybody thinks everyone joins it because silicon valley's interested -- it. Not so much to -- country and segments idea this system be times and it reminds me a tiny bit of AOL and I hate you know I've said this to the face of people blame economy but it's it's like the new souped up version and they want to me it's a closed. Time sucking. You know put your pictures up you know talk to each other kind of system it's -- go lower you go in and just get information leave kind of thing it's not the same kind of confident of the engagement yeah I mean I think it's interesting that I -- a sense of a fatigue factor will province and in. Resent the fact that they have to keep growing. -- screw this kind of thing. And I sense that they can figure out a way to get advertising to really pay -- and as much as they talk about it I still don't see the results acting."
" The other aspect of this whole fist of -- and you've discussed this in the past is that. MySpace for the Nvidia silicon value creation so -- back. Send so this is what we've done this is all of via -- that's like or whatever guys I mean this is the best you can come up for it."
" I think it's actually very good service you have -- lengthy period -- useful and relevant I just an interview with the guys have a new head of Linkedin. I thought was interesting. I think all these IDL these services -- experts still the same thing that AOL was pioneering all the others and Yahoo! my Yahoo!. Is this idea of a place to live on the web earlier information is that's never going to go away turning we'll see if it's worth ten billion dollars now the -- FaceBook is the past is Yahoo!'s outside in the future. Is -- Yahoo! in the past. You know I don't know I read a lot of idea when I actually kind of hard on them. Mostly because they had the opportunity there seems to be still so huge and with all those millions tens of millions of people coming through that website. You have to be able to make money and and do innovative things there it's pretty hard not to make money. But you know they've definitely done on stumbles they definitely didn't keep up with innovation which is very hard as AOL and other companies have found Netscape -- million of these companies -- you know they never had to mapping a very yet they're very behind. They have been aggressive they sort of didn't do all sorts of things and now they're trying to revive himself with everybody scrutinizing them. You know every move they make an of course they keep making the stumble -- list management changes -- every ten minutes of -- their way. They can't be a little smoother on that aspect could just calls attention their their troublesome people are leaving that company there's terrorism is all all of -- Silicon Valley. Some that said they have amazing properties Flickr they've got on this email well just reviewed thought it was terrific and it is. They got us it's really wonderful media assets and I think there issue is that they're not Google and they're never going to be. Admit to except that the Obama who."
" Month he ought to have to do that -- you know before we go way I just find this is the question which has always been. You know I won't want to -- QU colored the last boom yeah hence the name boom town right. And you're covering this current portion all right tell us how are two different because I didn't really lived through the Volvo has."
" Oh you didn't that was fun at parties were great -- appliances has -- only gotten much better better food better bang on things like that. So what was really interesting was was I think this time is a little its equipment at the same as a bubble because it's not being foisted on the investing public with these idiotic IPOs. So it's just the venture capitalists that are that -- and their investors I don't really care what happens to that you -- there there in the business of risk. And therefore they should should take risks so. There's a lot of companies are really quite useful a lot of my feature companies and should be bought. But I don't think there's quite as much about the Ponzi scheme that existed in the last one these are really quite good companies some of them but they still they are not companies that. Really are destined to IPO. I have a big hit big thing against which it's right now authorities widget companies excitement going public and I think it's laughable. That a lot of them are I mean again talk about it trend that'll dry up rather quickly. You know when they talk about you know the ability to sell advertising all across all these companies I'm like well there's only so much advertising in so many so much audience. Again we look it. (%expletive) on there on their part but why not not -- contract. It actually has been the -- be going up an expert on a couple of is fine it's a -- and I think it's a dangerous bubble compared to the last was really seriously. And worked. Money. Fueled investment banker and venture capitalists. Me kind of think I Don and this is more about -- a lot of these companies they're getting funded. And we'll see what happens they'll be a shake out and they won't all be around but they're all really. Actually quite there's no pets dot com here I don't see anyone that I look at and saying oh my god what a ridiculous. -- ridiculous company they're all useful in their own way."
" That I've seen and I hope you come backs him showing up for a while teachers by the way since my -- teacher. Excellent I do like this like this idea that consumers in charge now that the most important thing. Policy peacefully among Jason -- can turn it. And at home all roads lead to own a hard to say I think it's a night at OK you know things happening I'm -- and posters and."
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