" Hello welcome to show I'm -- And you on the list from your TV dot com thanks for joining us again sure no problem let's just talk with a big news that everybody's talking about this week. Microsoft in a bid to acquire Yahoo! and it can -- big news for awhile and you know what I have to say I've been reading all the blogs and articles. Paradise that what does it do for startups we are we gonna -- acquisitions coming out of Yahoo! I think that's the issue I think we're totally misguided and focusing on the wrong thing my. When we're looking at the acquisition -- to look at it what is going to do for innovation Yahoo!. Has been historically an innovator and had little slow lately Microsoft has not in greater effort to decade at least."

" know the funny thing is you know in terms of the website they have identical product I mean you know summer better than others -- You know if -- mouth the other hand has not someone has really and it has -- calendar -- you know whenever dons the littlest products and."

" And I at some level it may even be better for -- it is isn't a lot of people leaving Yahoo! and it's a great talent. Right so maybe now all the stars can't find that PHP developer will find them to grab some hot -- you know -- coming and it you have I think."

" A bigger problem is just for the regular web users -- mean -- you know these guys create products that so many millions of people use -- mean they're really just. I -- and getting very kind of this acquisition process getting stuck on integration and really not doing much for the next year's and you know there's some. There's good stuff out there there on the web that a lot of people just don't have access to because they're not using the hottest new thing -- not trying out these products that. You may file by the wayside so for things to go mainstream which Yahoo! and might not do you push a lot of things mainstream. And just thing happened for. Acne. And then of course I'll have to decide do. He and -- upload their I mean clearly I was looking for a way out I mean making their stock has really undervalued they're trying to figure out some other situation in just. Pushing pushing you know we'll be private equity we'll be thought it seemed like you know news corporation's and it's not to -- eighteen d.s and knocked me on. Yeah you're gonna say Yahoo!. Hopefully I'm just stuck in the meantime and figure out there but -- is quirky dimensions is -- properties MySpace right down my face finally opens another platform and I think that attitude around these parts of like. What took you so long been the same time I mean they have. A very large user pay day they drive time traffic. And I think that there is settling into some opportunities for developers to reach that he's raised during the good thing for them to jump on just a question of how global platform is going to -- and MySpace historically it's been very good at technology and reaching the mainstream news service. That's about it and -- pages learning mathematics --"

" It's good for my success they do whether -- like a distant number one right in the social networks they train their pages are so ugly not functional that opening up tent outside developers how to make a better can't really get worse from here."

" That idea back. The schools actually work I mean -- days certain key if it makes things -- more than and I VMware stack and actually Kathy some -- developers old more than half on the existing my he has another story keep it out but -- today we have our our guest is John -- as the new CEO of the Mozilla corporation and we're gonna find out what Mozilla has in store for 2000 we'll be right."

" Hello welcome back into their -- John -- the CEO Mozilla corporation thanks for joining us and Asia. Thanks and why would just start talking about. What's been going on with -- manager in this position because you were there as a CEO CE OO previously the time what's different now."

" Well I think out of Los different lately so we moser I was sending our hearts theory. So we're just -- countries for the beta three -- come out next week or two and okay and he's good enough authority has my mom and you know her friends -- operate much -- Mostly. Where is focusing in good -- But I went to change in the month. Well I'm indifferent. It was -- CEOs. There for about a year and a half. But I think it was it was not like normal companies so there's there's a lot of leaders a lot of places that their product leaders there are globalization leaders leaders in different countries and leaders and -- the art. I've been working with -- suited to grow Mazzola fro for quite a long since I got there about two years ago I think previously you know mentioning yeah Mitchell baker he started Mozilla who wrote them muzzled both -- and Netscape ten years ago now to issue last month. And announcements -- project. You know it was just time for a rest. For Mitchell to go work on projects that -- broader impact more more than just Arafat's. You know I'm a product kind of background user fees I care about products and community plan partners."

" We expect to see any different types of shift in where -- spending their resources. Things go on a country where it was under Mitchell's. No I think I think."

" Condoleezza things to -- very very different through our different personalities of its focus on the stuff I think we share a lot you know value system about what what -- is a little can be. What we're both trying to do is talk more about Mozilla so one of the things that happened when when we announced the changes I got emails and FaceBook messages -- from everybody that come back and middle -- to believe it. And didn't come a lot of messages back where you are what our hearts forever but I had no idea about -- about keeping the -- open about nonprofit stuff. And so mission are trying to talk more about that stuff because I think that's that's the interesting bit -- commercial company like to -- Yahoo! or Amazon. You know we're not really and exactly. And Ngo or nonprofit like the Red Cross were summer between we will call hybrids. So you know where. Freezing market mechanisms to support this mission to keep who have opened and so."

" I think one thing that's that's kind of come up with all of those companies is that they all have such a great presence in such a great community. They're almost not capturing his loss. Revenue stream that could've been. Acquired and used for other types of fruit you know pandemonium to criterion you hear people talk about should Wikipedia page that on their page should Craig Craig listen. And you know with -- being as popular as it is and and increasingly growing are just revenues and that could be sought. Not for the purpose of just surely making money -- for increasing the revenue that you have to and further investment it's -- project. I did a good question I think there's a lot of."

" Hanks about whether to be commercial orders -- day you're socialist and activists out. I was it was done a good job in this happened before I got there Redmond wash our hearts around making. Sort of pragmatic choices of partnering with Google partnered with Yahoo! can bring enough money -- and it meant it's meant that we you know 200 feeling users now we have enough revenues to support we have and in particular on the world now it is -- 220 billion year. But we're not growing just to be just to grow we're growing we're trying to be appropriately sized -- today so who want to build good web browsers you -- we just you know company. -- Better thunderbird. I don't think we need to ever grow grow grow on community program you just for -- music we have plenty right now. So we can focus on making decisions are good for users not to maximize revenue."

" And that's the -- Dalton all these companies always right. -- Michigan at the same time muzzle it does focus on its its more lucrative products like. Firefox. I use Firefox and a loyal user I also use thunderbird and I haven't seen thunderbird it's progressing the same level I've seen Firefox -- residents -- I always -- are less resources being devoted to those types of products because there just isn't as maximum growth opportunity -- some more crowded field."

" Yeah I don't think I don't it's that intentional I think. When I got some Mozilla and militant. We had. Two intently in the future for our -- for about four primaries for thunderbird. Now two years later it's more 150 million users are far -- about entertainment at thunderbird. And so I think that there's a natural leverage that the web. That the web greens that went out process but time went on this centralization over time the changes everything. And I try to remember back fifty years ago. When adjustments Stanford before it's hard clear memory and I can't think I figured it was time to -- games but he forget. But when TV and actually getting it right. And so the web changes everything the web is such a leveraged thing. The web let's think FaceBook and things like delicious and Flickr on Google and two it was just naturally more leverage way to spend time resources. Having me ill result. Has never gotten quite the attention in -- that it might yet. So that's our -- company. -- we'll -- the next few weeks accompanied me on the initial subsidiary. Yes it Mozilla corporation is as serious foundation they on all the cheers and offices nonprofit. We'll have a sister company. You know I don't have I don't know the name exactly so process but it'll be another sensitive as a foundation. It'll just be focused on -- so restoring. If you million dollars intuit which is about him opening Mozilla itself means by it now be run in mountains. Yeah CEOs and and David Asher and he's based in Vancouver. But everything in the those kind of global virtual offices were. But look at times for the corporation the company --"

" Here's the potential for additional capital to could be used for some more great projects if the company to go public -- this environment and would recommend it congressman Kingston well. Is it a permanent philosophical position that you'll never ever take the company public or is it more at the moment it's just not what you -- in your -- forecasts."

" Or are so that it continues -- prayers -- from hit exactly articulates ten years ago it was -- 98 and apparent difference though. It continues had a hard it's our position that we we don't think going public is in the best interest of our mission commissioners seats left open to make sure that people who participated in the way. The web was more or less dominated by one company in two two once two of them are so. And he was not different. You know going public means that you pitch your illness your shareholders they -- it would take offers from other people there to bite -- take -- and it's not I don't think in the best interest of it. So we've made commitments to."

" And then let me actually -- people -- have Ashman and we'll we'll wrap up on this point what does Yahoo! Microsoft potential merger mean for Firefox in the -- corporation."

" Yeah from was Oakland you think the obvious thing that I expect so expect Microsoft would -- Yahoo! is the default action in an explorer and -- you know monopoly distribution to. Improve search I think that people have a bigger venues Yahoo! Search I was -- within -- and search. You know I don't know what that means I haven't we haven't had have dialogues with our users our community to understand what -- things you know the dangers out there."

" We'll -- Yahoo! has much more open source friendly they -- policy compared it to Microsoft and and another chuckle over to the nineteen as a -- of the question that Libya. You know uninteresting play four era for your market."

" Yeah I it yet -- their whole back and is an open source I received some respective grade we use numbers announcer I hope that that's really thunder and both are males or turn these numbers for -- of -- senator nova whoever. So I don't know I think there's a lot of changes I it would be totally expect Yahoo's open source. Sensibilities exactly yeah."

" Yeah and getting button and -- in buying."

" Ray when I should say it again Parton thing for coming in and didn't appreciate and respect for. And it will be right back with more of your your feedback yeah. Hello welcome back and now it's time for your your feedback so serious rights and talk to us about last week's episode with Joshua Hong K two networks. And he wrote -- say I agree the items feed business model is slowly taking over the olde premium model that Americans are used to. Very ingenious idea if you don't have the funds to push huge marketing campaign act just like I do everything I've seen this model in -- entry and and other places and I think it's like a smart way to go when you don't want to force consumers to put down money to even try your product. You know you just -- give -- Tracy who like me go from there."

" Our next question I have to act and me and name really are that -- are who are something. So I just prior to taping -- a moment -- into question and you and that he been very begrudgingly told. That his first name really is is -- name in her crotch and back and his last name -- and that's it."

" signaling that takes its Supersonics and into Wikipedia. One more email in from Patrick also about last week's show he says that the last show of Josh -- was really interesting the number of people playing and in no surprise me. Thanks for an episode. And there are a lot of people playing those games is why they're called massively multiplayer -- said adding -- always expect to see more of those. -- with people on those gains as time and it's not always please email us acted on Activision dot com. -- reform act revision3.com. Slash form. It'll an intricately distinctive. Feedback and Liz thanks so much for joining us as always her -- and -- the Clinton avenue and we'll see you all next week."

" The -- go home show."

" Hello welcome to show I'm -- And you on the list from your TV dot com thanks for joining us again sure no problem let's just talk with a big news that everybody's talking about this week. Microsoft in a bid to acquire Yahoo! and it can -- big news for awhile and you know what I have to say I've been reading all the blogs and articles. Paradise that what does it do for startups we are we gonna -- acquisitions coming out of Yahoo! I think that's the issue I think we're totally misguided and focusing on the wrong thing my. When we're looking at the acquisition -- to look at it what is going to do for innovation Yahoo!. Has been historically an innovator and had little slow lately Microsoft has not in greater effort to decade at least."

" know the funny thing is you know in terms of the website they have identical product I mean you know summer better than others -- You know if -- mouth the other hand has not someone has really and it has -- calendar -- you know whenever dons the littlest products and."

" And I at some level it may even be better for -- it is isn't a lot of people leaving Yahoo! and it's a great talent. Right so maybe now all the stars can't find that PHP developer will find them to grab some hot -- you know -- coming and it you have I think."

" A bigger problem is just for the regular web users -- mean -- you know these guys create products that so many millions of people use -- mean they're really just. I -- and getting very kind of this acquisition process getting stuck on integration and really not doing much for the next year's and you know there's some. There's good stuff out there there on the web that a lot of people just don't have access to because they're not using the hottest new thing -- not trying out these products that. You may file by the wayside so for things to go mainstream which Yahoo! and might not do you push a lot of things mainstream. And just thing happened for. Acne. And then of course I'll have to decide do. He and -- upload their I mean clearly I was looking for a way out I mean making their stock has really undervalued they're trying to figure out some other situation in just. Pushing pushing you know we'll be private equity we'll be thought it seemed like you know news corporation's and it's not to -- eighteen d.s and knocked me on. Yeah you're gonna say Yahoo!. Hopefully I'm just stuck in the meantime and figure out there but -- is quirky dimensions is -- properties MySpace right down my face finally opens another platform and I think that attitude around these parts of like. What took you so long been the same time I mean they have. A very large user pay day they drive time traffic. And I think that there is settling into some opportunities for developers to reach that he's raised during the good thing for them to jump on just a question of how global platform is going to -- and MySpace historically it's been very good at technology and reaching the mainstream news service. That's about it and -- pages learning mathematics --"

" It's good for my success they do whether -- like a distant number one right in the social networks they train their pages are so ugly not functional that opening up tent outside developers how to make a better can't really get worse from here."

" That idea back. The schools actually work I mean -- days certain key if it makes things -- more than and I VMware stack and actually Kathy some -- developers old more than half on the existing my he has another story keep it out but -- today we have our our guest is John -- as the new CEO of the Mozilla corporation and we're gonna find out what Mozilla has in store for 2000 we'll be right."

" Hello welcome back into their -- John -- the CEO Mozilla corporation thanks for joining us and Asia. Thanks and why would just start talking about. What's been going on with -- manager in this position because you were there as a CEO CE OO previously the time what's different now."

" Well I think out of Los different lately so we moser I was sending our hearts theory. So we're just -- countries for the beta three -- come out next week or two and okay and he's good enough authority has my mom and you know her friends -- operate much -- Mostly. Where is focusing in good -- But I went to change in the month. Well I'm indifferent. It was -- CEOs. There for about a year and a half. But I think it was it was not like normal companies so there's there's a lot of leaders a lot of places that their product leaders there are globalization leaders leaders in different countries and leaders and -- the art. I've been working with -- suited to grow Mazzola fro for quite a long since I got there about two years ago I think previously you know mentioning yeah Mitchell baker he started Mozilla who wrote them muzzled both -- and Netscape ten years ago now to issue last month. And announcements -- project. You know it was just time for a rest. For Mitchell to go work on projects that -- broader impact more more than just Arafat's. You know I'm a product kind of background user fees I care about products and community plan partners."

" We expect to see any different types of shift in where -- spending their resources. Things go on a country where it was under Mitchell's. No I think I think."

" Condoleezza things to -- very very different through our different personalities of its focus on the stuff I think we share a lot you know value system about what what -- is a little can be. What we're both trying to do is talk more about Mozilla so one of the things that happened when when we announced the changes I got emails and FaceBook messages -- from everybody that come back and middle -- to believe it. And didn't come a lot of messages back where you are what our hearts forever but I had no idea about -- about keeping the -- open about nonprofit stuff. And so mission are trying to talk more about that stuff because I think that's that's the interesting bit -- commercial company like to -- Yahoo! or Amazon. You know we're not really and exactly. And Ngo or nonprofit like the Red Cross were summer between we will call hybrids. So you know where. Freezing market mechanisms to support this mission to keep who have opened and so."

" I think one thing that's that's kind of come up with all of those companies is that they all have such a great presence in such a great community. They're almost not capturing his loss. Revenue stream that could've been. Acquired and used for other types of fruit you know pandemonium to criterion you hear people talk about should Wikipedia page that on their page should Craig Craig listen. And you know with -- being as popular as it is and and increasingly growing are just revenues and that could be sought. Not for the purpose of just surely making money -- for increasing the revenue that you have to and further investment it's -- project. I did a good question I think there's a lot of."

" Hanks about whether to be commercial orders -- day you're socialist and activists out. I was it was done a good job in this happened before I got there Redmond wash our hearts around making. Sort of pragmatic choices of partnering with Google partnered with Yahoo! can bring enough money -- and it meant it's meant that we you know 200 feeling users now we have enough revenues to support we have and in particular on the world now it is -- 220 billion year. But we're not growing just to be just to grow we're growing we're trying to be appropriately sized -- today so who want to build good web browsers you -- we just you know company. -- Better thunderbird. I don't think we need to ever grow grow grow on community program you just for -- music we have plenty right now. So we can focus on making decisions are good for users not to maximize revenue."

" And that's the -- Dalton all these companies always right. -- Michigan at the same time muzzle it does focus on its its more lucrative products like. Firefox. I use Firefox and a loyal user I also use thunderbird and I haven't seen thunderbird it's progressing the same level I've seen Firefox -- residents -- I always -- are less resources being devoted to those types of products because there just isn't as maximum growth opportunity -- some more crowded field."

" Yeah I don't think I don't it's that intentional I think. When I got some Mozilla and militant. We had. Two intently in the future for our -- for about four primaries for thunderbird. Now two years later it's more 150 million users are far -- about entertainment at thunderbird. And so I think that there's a natural leverage that the web. That the web greens that went out process but time went on this centralization over time the changes everything. And I try to remember back fifty years ago. When adjustments Stanford before it's hard clear memory and I can't think I figured it was time to -- games but he forget. But when TV and actually getting it right. And so the web changes everything the web is such a leveraged thing. The web let's think FaceBook and things like delicious and Flickr on Google and two it was just naturally more leverage way to spend time resources. Having me ill result. Has never gotten quite the attention in -- that it might yet. So that's our -- company. -- we'll -- the next few weeks accompanied me on the initial subsidiary. Yes it Mozilla corporation is as serious foundation they on all the cheers and offices nonprofit. We'll have a sister company. You know I don't have I don't know the name exactly so process but it'll be another sensitive as a foundation. It'll just be focused on -- so restoring. If you million dollars intuit which is about him opening Mozilla itself means by it now be run in mountains. Yeah CEOs and and David Asher and he's based in Vancouver. But everything in the those kind of global virtual offices were. But look at times for the corporation the company --"

" Here's the potential for additional capital to could be used for some more great projects if the company to go public -- this environment and would recommend it congressman Kingston well. Is it a permanent philosophical position that you'll never ever take the company public or is it more at the moment it's just not what you -- in your -- forecasts."

" Or are so that it continues -- prayers -- from hit exactly articulates ten years ago it was -- 98 and apparent difference though. It continues had a hard it's our position that we we don't think going public is in the best interest of our mission commissioners seats left open to make sure that people who participated in the way. The web was more or less dominated by one company in two two once two of them are so. And he was not different. You know going public means that you pitch your illness your shareholders they -- it would take offers from other people there to bite -- take -- and it's not I don't think in the best interest of it. So we've made commitments to."

" And then let me actually -- people -- have Ashman and we'll we'll wrap up on this point what does Yahoo! Microsoft potential merger mean for Firefox in the -- corporation."

" Yeah from was Oakland you think the obvious thing that I expect so expect Microsoft would -- Yahoo! is the default action in an explorer and -- you know monopoly distribution to. Improve search I think that people have a bigger venues Yahoo! Search I was -- within -- and search. You know I don't know what that means I haven't we haven't had have dialogues with our users our community to understand what -- things you know the dangers out there."

" We'll -- Yahoo! has much more open source friendly they -- policy compared it to Microsoft and and another chuckle over to the nineteen as a -- of the question that Libya. You know uninteresting play four era for your market."

" Yeah I it yet -- their whole back and is an open source I received some respective grade we use numbers announcer I hope that that's really thunder and both are males or turn these numbers for -- of -- senator nova whoever. So I don't know I think there's a lot of changes I it would be totally expect Yahoo's open source. Sensibilities exactly yeah."

" Yeah and getting button and -- in buying."

" Ray when I should say it again Parton thing for coming in and didn't appreciate and respect for. And it will be right back with more of your your feedback yeah. Hello welcome back and now it's time for your your feedback so serious rights and talk to us about last week's episode with Joshua Hong K two networks. And he wrote -- say I agree the items feed business model is slowly taking over the olde premium model that Americans are used to. Very ingenious idea if you don't have the funds to push huge marketing campaign act just like I do everything I've seen this model in -- entry and and other places and I think it's like a smart way to go when you don't want to force consumers to put down money to even try your product. You know you just -- give -- Tracy who like me go from there."

" Our next question I have to act and me and name really are that -- are who are something. So I just prior to taping -- a moment -- into question and you and that he been very begrudgingly told. That his first name really is is -- name in her crotch and back and his last name -- and that's it."

" signaling that takes its Supersonics and into Wikipedia. One more email in from Patrick also about last week's show he says that the last show of Josh -- was really interesting the number of people playing and in no surprise me. Thanks for an episode. And there are a lot of people playing those games is why they're called massively multiplayer -- said adding -- always expect to see more of those. -- with people on those gains as time and it's not always please email us acted on Activision dot com. -- reform act revision3.com. Slash form. It'll an intricately distinctive. Feedback and Liz thanks so much for joining us as always her -- and -- the Clinton avenue and we'll see you all next week."

" The -- go home show."