" Welcome to the -- on the show I'm Chris Albrecht staff writer with data on blog new TV dot com. Filling in for Joyce who's out of town. Let's start with some news the big news this week is that Hulu the online video service from NBC news court opened up to the public. For those of you unfamiliar is an easy way feel watch full episodes this will be your favorite TV shows like house. Battlestar Galactica -- a personal favorite of mine it's always sunny in Philadelphia along with new shows you can enjoy classic library of TV shows like the eighteen -- the Bob Newhart Show or air wolf. And a library of over 100 films who also signed a number of new partners including Warner Bros. Lionsgate in the NBA. And even though Hulu -- been all about professional content up until now. The service also show. Premium content from new media companies like the guru who made prom queen and the -- wind musings of Gary Vaynerchuk and his wine library TV. Those -- you haven't had a chance -- player out of the beta who is really easy to use and really reliable its web based so you don't have to download and install anything. And the picture is good. Full screen mode is all right and curious will scoff -- it but. You know it's not going to be the same thing as watching TV and a fifty inch plasma but unlike -- your plasma who lets you embed full episodes of shows on your blog to share. Or you can even create custom clips from shows using a simple slider case. So he could capture the opening theme song Mary Tyler Moore show because. You're gonna maybe kids ask well. Into. Now Hulu isn't perfect. It doesn't have content from ABC or CBS hasn't yet so you can't catch up on lost a Big Brother. And it won't make every episode of every show availability at once so you can't just park yourself and from your PC for a marathon office session. And sit there every single episode. And there's -- questions about the economics behind who's hosting costs and how a company owned by NBC and fox will treat third party content. But if you're looking for a great way to kill time or introduce someone TV on the web Hulu is hard to be. Only time will tell its working but for now it's won -- best choices out there. Coming up. We sit down with Philip rodeo the creator of the popular online virtual world second life find out how he turned it into -- worldwide phenomenon -- we're going to change things up a bit Wagner James now looking -- on the gaming editor and author of the making of second life will be joining us as a virtual guest -- in second life. They should be interest will be right back."

" Welcome back we're sitting here today with Philip Rossdale founder and CEO of second life. Hello -- thanks for joining us thanks Natalie and joining us in second life is Wagner James now -- as we entered this virtual world what did you tell -- a little bit about -- second life is and meet up with James."

" Well it's Agassi James and -- are standing here I knew as little ballot in in the world of second life. Most people that I see things like second I think of video games because second -- three dimensional and has avatars in -- task did you backgrounds like what you see here but of course what's so different about second life is that. It's an online world where everything in it is built by the people who are there and it's actually built in real time it's also -- place where. If you choose. You can make money so you can actually have your working life -- in second life if you'd like it's. Worldwide rapidly growing open system that supports the activities now of millions of people it's Philip."

" We're looking at a world it's -- five years old when you tell us give us the state of the world -- border."

" Yet you know second life as you remember second -- got a lot bigger when when when you first started covering what we were doing you know you can walk across second life. In an hour and hour probably a lot less than that we actually started with sixteen servers and a sixteen servers. Covered an area. The size of you know if you city blocks basically and when you got in second life that was all you can see now. Because everything's been built by the people who live there. It's grown rapidly as people have come again and today we have about 18000. Of those. CPU cores or servers that -- second life which gives it an area -- second life an area about. Nine times the size of San Francisco voted to give it a comparison and with an equally dense amount of stuff and -- going on and people and it you can imagine that this is at this point. A space -- that is opening up and expanding faster than you could ever experienced it so you know unlike the real world. Second life has the unusual property that it's a landscaping you'll probably never see all of because like the Internet you just couldn't."

" Zoom at all during that time since I left we had this just kind of giant hype wave over second -- that does this week. Cover story and a lot of companies came in and -- and course after the first -- the -- of -- of some sort bad about class days."

" I think selling you know at with a lot of new mediums and second life is in many ways no exception. You see. A lot of initial sort of use of the platform people trying to do different things -- that. You know when things like second life for in the early phases there are things that work and things that don't and I think it. -- kind of inevitably. Some of the way. People have followed. Second life the media has -- second life has kind of led to excitement and frustration over the things that don't work but. You know what continues to be true if if you look at the growth and the use of second life it just grows steadily. It doesn't really seem to be very much impact in Canada. The flurries of conversation and media around it we're we're just sort of continuing to grow at the rate at which people build the world out by building content and it which is the thing that you know makes it compelling in and bring people here. No actually we heard some birds they're a little bit ago if there is there a way chance for you guys to kind of walk around a little bit and show is the area here and -- and well we're you know -- you see James work."

" We're we're looking down on -- show you a little bit of it here we're we're looking down on an amazing. Sort of -- tropical world were standing up on a balcony here looking at it and this is a world that is built with it's full of artificial life -- programming language that's built in the second life allows people -- Build things like birds and plants and objects that can move. You may see people flying by and the background while we're here today on little sort of tram -- that show them what's going on in this place so it's it's it's a pretty amazing environment. The person that the woman actually who built -- island built it to be an amazing ecosystem that you could wander around in -- way of being. Entertained and just seeing this living system their clouds that float around and water the plants and plant won't grow unless the clouds come by and animals he plans to complete. Additionally ecosystem which is you know just one of the things that you can do with this tight. Of an environment and it and also an example of how people are able to build things here. And then if they use make money from them this area this island is supported by I think donations and objects sales for the most part you don't have to actually pay to be here just like second life it's free to get an account wander around in this space. But the creator of it is making money through asking for donations and also for selling some of the things that you may find here."

" She actually sort of left she kind of got frustrated with the development cycle. That little that was happening and I guess it's to break up this question I've talked a lot of third party developers and -- gets frustrated with Lyndon. You'll love the unpredictability. Of the updates and a lack of a road -- there and also some of us skill ability policy issue with connecting. Linden labs are scripting language with the webs -- right you can address and for awhile."

" Well on the connecting the scripting language with the website I think we have done a lot of good work in the last. A couple of quarters you know connecting second life to the web for example making web page visible even within second life you know we've. Ideally that you bush should be able to put up a webpage up on the side of the wall over there and actually look at it together. That's a feature that we're working on right now and actually will be coming in the next few months and second life but on that count of on the concern about a road map and how well we explain what's going on I think we can do better especially as we grow it and we're still a fairly small company a small team and doing a good job of articulating what the development plan is for something that is as open ended and as early and it's complicated a second life. Has always been hard I think that we've done a good job as a company being quite transparent about what we're doing. But I think it's a fair concern as second life matures that we need to provide a longer looking roadmap of what we're doing and that that has not been something that we bend. Aggressive about -- great got in the past and I I think you're gonna see us do it better in the future we do trying to listen. Into people's concerns. Second -- a kind of thing where everybody's so excited about the possibilities and it's so easy to imagine the possibilities that it's also easy to be frustrated that we're not working faster and you know I'll a lot of days I'm one of the people who's frustrated him."

" Related to that I suck it up I admit noted in my -- beyond current currency rates are going up really quickly the kind of up. But thousands. For for we are sold but at the same time since August the kind of active user rate really hasn't grown much beyond about 550000."

" Well there's say there's a couple of different metrics there there is metrics like that premium users and the active user -- but you're right the economy -- index. Land sales. Can currency and overall usage hours have all been trending upwards and trending upwards a little more rapidly in the last couple of months. Some of that may represent a kind of natural. Seasonality of the way people use online systems like second life that require. The substantial time commitment that they do in other words we seem to feel like the beginning of the year tends to be the time that people are actually kind of in the world's the most in a way that probably partially represents whether. That there is actually at Tennessee and we've seen this to use second life more as a function of you know how unappealing. Walking around in the real world this which is an interesting observation and I thinks there -- statistical merit to that we have seen a lot of growth the last few months as you said some of the active user metrics are are growing more slowly -- Seem to -- plateaued since August and actually -- your weakness could be seen them but the thing though is that as you said that can -- unions -- ours are actually going up at the same time as is the economy which one of the most important indicators that we want so when we look at those -- hours we've -- typically depending -- which statistics you're looking -- we sort of count on minimum number of hours of -- and -- time as being the criteria for that so what we may be seeing is what we -- we saw some obvious when you have periods in second life where. You know tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people join. Because today the challenges of using second life that interface challenges. Can make it something that like many new mediums not everybody stays with the majority of people still basically leave and don't come back after an initial period. The when you have that situation. We have lots of people signing up you'll you'll go a couple of months and then you'll see a drop -- corresponding to those people kind of how washing out of the system and I think that's what's. May be kind of stabilizing that active use -- games while the while looking currency and dean usage hours or showing the strong growth that they are."

" and we've got to get back -- we've got to get back to new real world hair -- got that title one might question I think. Okay well I mean it's it's been rated critical that I've definitely seen -- tech industry shift away from -- so. The perfect time of just explained Silicon Valley why they should still care about six."

" Well you know a couple of things one is look at the fundamental impact of what we're doing the impact on people's lives the size of the economy this is a larger than half. A billion dollar -- roughly half billion dollar -- year economy right now over -- over a million dollars a day in people -- things with each -- there's an opportunity here we're creating for people much like the -- web to create life and a business and whole experience for themselves. That the indicators of growth are steady we're still in the early days of this phenomenon. And I think that we're gonna see lots and lots of hype cycles. And lots of you know enchantment in this in Chatman in the same way that we did in the early days of the Internet and I don't think we've even really seen the beginning and this whole thing. That's right say stay tuned to keep watching us we're not we're not going anywhere."

" And I'm gonna say thing you don't -- it's. James thank you so much for joining us in second life Philip Rossdale CEO second life thank you very much for joining us and we'll be right back -- Thanks -- yeah. --"

" welcome back. Let's go to the viewer comments now Sergio -- and tell us. I must say I love the diversity and the good choice of business men and women that you have brought to your show. These people are very intelligent and they bring a lot to the table. Well thank you Sergio we certainly try to give you a breadth and depth of interest in interviews here -- on the show to bring you all the tech news you need to know. And then Thomas writes and this one's for me actually was just kind of fun. I noticed that Chris. I was on the show is he related Alex Albrecht of Diggnation. No actually I don't think I am I've never done genealogy so but I've never met Alex and as far as I know we just -- last name but there is no relation. And if you have a comment please feel free to email us and you get home at revision3.com. Or head over to our farm at revision3.com. Slash forum. -- catch up on past episodes that revision3.com. Next week we have locked them -- founder and CEO sees nick dot com it's a company that enables online users to participate in video conversations. I think. The video version of twitter I'm Chris Albrecht. Thanks for life you will see you next week."

" The get go home show."

" Welcome to the -- on the show I'm Chris Albrecht staff writer with data on blog new TV dot com. Filling in for Joyce who's out of town. Let's start with some news the big news this week is that Hulu the online video service from NBC news court opened up to the public. For those of you unfamiliar is an easy way feel watch full episodes this will be your favorite TV shows like house. Battlestar Galactica -- a personal favorite of mine it's always sunny in Philadelphia along with new shows you can enjoy classic library of TV shows like the eighteen -- the Bob Newhart Show or air wolf. And a library of over 100 films who also signed a number of new partners including Warner Bros. Lionsgate in the NBA. And even though Hulu -- been all about professional content up until now. The service also show. Premium content from new media companies like the guru who made prom queen and the -- wind musings of Gary Vaynerchuk and his wine library TV. Those -- you haven't had a chance -- player out of the beta who is really easy to use and really reliable its web based so you don't have to download and install anything. And the picture is good. Full screen mode is all right and curious will scoff -- it but. You know it's not going to be the same thing as watching TV and a fifty inch plasma but unlike -- your plasma who lets you embed full episodes of shows on your blog to share. Or you can even create custom clips from shows using a simple slider case. So he could capture the opening theme song Mary Tyler Moore show because. You're gonna maybe kids ask well. Into. Now Hulu isn't perfect. It doesn't have content from ABC or CBS hasn't yet so you can't catch up on lost a Big Brother. And it won't make every episode of every show availability at once so you can't just park yourself and from your PC for a marathon office session. And sit there every single episode. And there's -- questions about the economics behind who's hosting costs and how a company owned by NBC and fox will treat third party content. But if you're looking for a great way to kill time or introduce someone TV on the web Hulu is hard to be. Only time will tell its working but for now it's won -- best choices out there. Coming up. We sit down with Philip rodeo the creator of the popular online virtual world second life find out how he turned it into -- worldwide phenomenon -- we're going to change things up a bit Wagner James now looking -- on the gaming editor and author of the making of second life will be joining us as a virtual guest -- in second life. They should be interest will be right back."

" Welcome back we're sitting here today with Philip Rossdale founder and CEO of second life. Hello -- thanks for joining us thanks Natalie and joining us in second life is Wagner James now -- as we entered this virtual world what did you tell -- a little bit about -- second life is and meet up with James."

" Well it's Agassi James and -- are standing here I knew as little ballot in in the world of second life. Most people that I see things like second I think of video games because second -- three dimensional and has avatars in -- task did you backgrounds like what you see here but of course what's so different about second life is that. It's an online world where everything in it is built by the people who are there and it's actually built in real time it's also -- place where. If you choose. You can make money so you can actually have your working life -- in second life if you'd like it's. Worldwide rapidly growing open system that supports the activities now of millions of people it's Philip."

" We're looking at a world it's -- five years old when you tell us give us the state of the world -- border."

" Yet you know second life as you remember second -- got a lot bigger when when when you first started covering what we were doing you know you can walk across second life. In an hour and hour probably a lot less than that we actually started with sixteen servers and a sixteen servers. Covered an area. The size of you know if you city blocks basically and when you got in second life that was all you can see now. Because everything's been built by the people who live there. It's grown rapidly as people have come again and today we have about 18000. Of those. CPU cores or servers that -- second life which gives it an area -- second life an area about. Nine times the size of San Francisco voted to give it a comparison and with an equally dense amount of stuff and -- going on and people and it you can imagine that this is at this point. A space -- that is opening up and expanding faster than you could ever experienced it so you know unlike the real world. Second life has the unusual property that it's a landscaping you'll probably never see all of because like the Internet you just couldn't."

" Zoom at all during that time since I left we had this just kind of giant hype wave over second -- that does this week. Cover story and a lot of companies came in and -- and course after the first -- the -- of -- of some sort bad about class days."

" I think selling you know at with a lot of new mediums and second life is in many ways no exception. You see. A lot of initial sort of use of the platform people trying to do different things -- that. You know when things like second life for in the early phases there are things that work and things that don't and I think it. -- kind of inevitably. Some of the way. People have followed. Second life the media has -- second life has kind of led to excitement and frustration over the things that don't work but. You know what continues to be true if if you look at the growth and the use of second life it just grows steadily. It doesn't really seem to be very much impact in Canada. The flurries of conversation and media around it we're we're just sort of continuing to grow at the rate at which people build the world out by building content and it which is the thing that you know makes it compelling in and bring people here. No actually we heard some birds they're a little bit ago if there is there a way chance for you guys to kind of walk around a little bit and show is the area here and -- and well we're you know -- you see James work."

" We're we're looking down on -- show you a little bit of it here we're we're looking down on an amazing. Sort of -- tropical world were standing up on a balcony here looking at it and this is a world that is built with it's full of artificial life -- programming language that's built in the second life allows people -- Build things like birds and plants and objects that can move. You may see people flying by and the background while we're here today on little sort of tram -- that show them what's going on in this place so it's it's it's a pretty amazing environment. The person that the woman actually who built -- island built it to be an amazing ecosystem that you could wander around in -- way of being. Entertained and just seeing this living system their clouds that float around and water the plants and plant won't grow unless the clouds come by and animals he plans to complete. Additionally ecosystem which is you know just one of the things that you can do with this tight. Of an environment and it and also an example of how people are able to build things here. And then if they use make money from them this area this island is supported by I think donations and objects sales for the most part you don't have to actually pay to be here just like second life it's free to get an account wander around in this space. But the creator of it is making money through asking for donations and also for selling some of the things that you may find here."

" She actually sort of left she kind of got frustrated with the development cycle. That little that was happening and I guess it's to break up this question I've talked a lot of third party developers and -- gets frustrated with Lyndon. You'll love the unpredictability. Of the updates and a lack of a road -- there and also some of us skill ability policy issue with connecting. Linden labs are scripting language with the webs -- right you can address and for awhile."

" Well on the connecting the scripting language with the website I think we have done a lot of good work in the last. A couple of quarters you know connecting second life to the web for example making web page visible even within second life you know we've. Ideally that you bush should be able to put up a webpage up on the side of the wall over there and actually look at it together. That's a feature that we're working on right now and actually will be coming in the next few months and second life but on that count of on the concern about a road map and how well we explain what's going on I think we can do better especially as we grow it and we're still a fairly small company a small team and doing a good job of articulating what the development plan is for something that is as open ended and as early and it's complicated a second life. Has always been hard I think that we've done a good job as a company being quite transparent about what we're doing. But I think it's a fair concern as second life matures that we need to provide a longer looking roadmap of what we're doing and that that has not been something that we bend. Aggressive about -- great got in the past and I I think you're gonna see us do it better in the future we do trying to listen. Into people's concerns. Second -- a kind of thing where everybody's so excited about the possibilities and it's so easy to imagine the possibilities that it's also easy to be frustrated that we're not working faster and you know I'll a lot of days I'm one of the people who's frustrated him."

" Related to that I suck it up I admit noted in my -- beyond current currency rates are going up really quickly the kind of up. But thousands. For for we are sold but at the same time since August the kind of active user rate really hasn't grown much beyond about 550000."

" Well there's say there's a couple of different metrics there there is metrics like that premium users and the active user -- but you're right the economy -- index. Land sales. Can currency and overall usage hours have all been trending upwards and trending upwards a little more rapidly in the last couple of months. Some of that may represent a kind of natural. Seasonality of the way people use online systems like second life that require. The substantial time commitment that they do in other words we seem to feel like the beginning of the year tends to be the time that people are actually kind of in the world's the most in a way that probably partially represents whether. That there is actually at Tennessee and we've seen this to use second life more as a function of you know how unappealing. Walking around in the real world this which is an interesting observation and I thinks there -- statistical merit to that we have seen a lot of growth the last few months as you said some of the active user metrics are are growing more slowly -- Seem to -- plateaued since August and actually -- your weakness could be seen them but the thing though is that as you said that can -- unions -- ours are actually going up at the same time as is the economy which one of the most important indicators that we want so when we look at those -- hours we've -- typically depending -- which statistics you're looking -- we sort of count on minimum number of hours of -- and -- time as being the criteria for that so what we may be seeing is what we -- we saw some obvious when you have periods in second life where. You know tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people join. Because today the challenges of using second life that interface challenges. Can make it something that like many new mediums not everybody stays with the majority of people still basically leave and don't come back after an initial period. The when you have that situation. We have lots of people signing up you'll you'll go a couple of months and then you'll see a drop -- corresponding to those people kind of how washing out of the system and I think that's what's. May be kind of stabilizing that active use -- games while the while looking currency and dean usage hours or showing the strong growth that they are."

" and we've got to get back -- we've got to get back to new real world hair -- got that title one might question I think. Okay well I mean it's it's been rated critical that I've definitely seen -- tech industry shift away from -- so. The perfect time of just explained Silicon Valley why they should still care about six."

" Well you know a couple of things one is look at the fundamental impact of what we're doing the impact on people's lives the size of the economy this is a larger than half. A billion dollar -- roughly half billion dollar -- year economy right now over -- over a million dollars a day in people -- things with each -- there's an opportunity here we're creating for people much like the -- web to create life and a business and whole experience for themselves. That the indicators of growth are steady we're still in the early days of this phenomenon. And I think that we're gonna see lots and lots of hype cycles. And lots of you know enchantment in this in Chatman in the same way that we did in the early days of the Internet and I don't think we've even really seen the beginning and this whole thing. That's right say stay tuned to keep watching us we're not we're not going anywhere."

" And I'm gonna say thing you don't -- it's. James thank you so much for joining us in second life Philip Rossdale CEO second life thank you very much for joining us and we'll be right back -- Thanks -- yeah. --"

" welcome back. Let's go to the viewer comments now Sergio -- and tell us. I must say I love the diversity and the good choice of business men and women that you have brought to your show. These people are very intelligent and they bring a lot to the table. Well thank you Sergio we certainly try to give you a breadth and depth of interest in interviews here -- on the show to bring you all the tech news you need to know. And then Thomas writes and this one's for me actually was just kind of fun. I noticed that Chris. I was on the show is he related Alex Albrecht of Diggnation. No actually I don't think I am I've never done genealogy so but I've never met Alex and as far as I know we just -- last name but there is no relation. And if you have a comment please feel free to email us and you get home at revision3.com. Or head over to our farm at revision3.com. Slash forum. -- catch up on past episodes that revision3.com. Next week we have locked them -- founder and CEO sees nick dot com it's a company that enables online users to participate in video conversations. I think. The video version of twitter I'm Chris Albrecht. Thanks for life you will see you next week."

" The get go home show."