Death and Comics
Wednesday, December 31st, 2008 running time 25:51
This week, iFanboy takes a look at the comic book death. It can be poignant and touching, or a cheap marketing ploy to sell more books. No character is immune to the reaper's touch, but then again, sooner or later, they'll be back.
The death of a superhero is a bit of a misnomer, because all comic book readers know that, given enough time, they will return from the grave. There are so many characters who have been killed and been resurrected that it's almost impossible to keep track of them.
But there are great stories about superheroes biting the big one, such as The Death of Captain America, The Death of Captain Marvel, or Batman: A Death in the Family.
When does it work? When is it just a stunt? Ron, Josh, and Conor go over some of the more memorable deaths, as well as the more ill conceived variety.
Highlights
New York City
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8:11, 8:11
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0:07, 15:17, 15:19, 15:36, 21:42, 23:28, 0:07, 15:17, 15:19, 15:36, 21:42, 23:28
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White House
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19:01, 19:01
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Parma
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2:33, 2:33
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New York City
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8:11, 8:11
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Netflix
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0:07, 15:17, 15:19, 15:36, 21:42, 23:28, 0:07, 15:17, 15:19, 15:36, 21:42, 23:28
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White House
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19:01, 19:01
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Parma
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2:33, 2:33
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" War. This episode of -- fan boys brought you by Netflix dot com. Godaddy.com. And square space dot com on this episode of life and boy. --"
" Yeah me."
" Hey welcome to a very special edition of life and -- why sticks -- drugs some of them. -- And I'm Josh. The comic book dad has almost become a joke lately. Almost is that I mean like okay this -- to the user -- toolbar. And it's Clinton and fight -- of garden I mean basically. In in recent years that didn't -- way to sell books someone's gonna die and and the big events seem to always you know -- guys -- and dies after it. Crap I just finished -- show. It's it's the comic book -- is this one device that keeps popping up over and over again and it comes in real reason it's come to mean it's an event and people are largely. Cynical about a supposed no go zones as."
" What has yet it isn't really an imminent yet and it looks happen is that is that accomplice of the anything but he definitely. Lab. Nobody ever really. This is a movement to come back lewis' regardless what a lot of times the a lot of deaths. A lot of resurrection he had a lot of mistaken identity gets to get a lot of oh I think my daddy never saw anybody here exactly as it is that -- accounts lets you see the body. They're day."
" There and I even then and he and that I mean isn't actually Cox is now and that might let what does it take to make debt sticking comics today it doesn't. Well -- little -- product. They keep raising stakes and the stories out. How much higher going to go to and then killing someone off. Yeah and you can't right that's the most awful things can happen in the whole world ending them -- and it's really seven would you go from there an -- in the keep doing over a vote over again. But you can't keep these characters dead yet to bring them back and the more now stuck in a point where someone dies people most of -- ago. If you think about like how many of the managers. Have died at this point you know migrate to -- America or diets or are talk. I mean just like a bunch of -- perilous Parma is next and then he was did that overpriced but like -- civilians. In other than the death yet. -- that -- the most good now the most famous probably -- The death would be Superman's father who died while donuts products. But. No one really thought you know. -- it's done before that so like what's the big deal you know that's a problem I have is that. I'm not convinced -- that. But it will be that's why you're not ready to -- its -- yet. But it's it's gonna be like 810 years in -- mythological -- he'll -- up for awhile but I think that they don't themselves -- hold on Tuesday that drew -- own grave. And to protect the --"
" He doesn't want of the real stakes for the guys it's that I mean yeah. This might not like this losing the pay people you uglier plus who loses this is that it's that natural human -- to do not want to guys. So what's talk about some of the -- that we see -- com but first came on for me was. Early on back sixties Spider-Man completely upon Medicare Letterman. No we don't -- the deaths of two characters to do about it I believe mostly east Baghdad the savings mostly knows you're dead. It was stuff lives on a model."
" The castle. Uncle Ben parker and do this. -- partner. A good bit market makes great -- and aunt May's husband. Is a little later but this is absolutely absolutely that Basil to defense that's fine. Yeah those two deaths have pretty much visited the death of local band in realism -- great power from their responsibility and frequencies he goes green comes up that -- also. As he you know he he took responsibility for us that he failed policy and he's he's partly responsible for -- that in -- way in Israel may. May -- might say he's not and she's a liar. She's just trying to make it better didn't it. It killed at least there's the possibility -- and -- it is there's there's ambiguity residences BC when Stacy grew out at a incidently. And would lose. Attacking him it was getting where it hurts and he captured when -- triggered the -- Russian Edwards and Barack the virgin. So some believe that the act. Active throw -- robberies after that it should -- Or does justice to speak for a rich but the by Richard C gerchas web caught her ankle. And isn't the way it's drawn it looks like the -- first topics topics after -- advances by either way we'll never know and that's almost worse. Bought industries outside the fact that he. Is Spiderman the first ones and herbs and seamless -- but when Stacy she was targeted because yes that the goblins want -- to him so. I mean that's for -- that's almost hear it and let you that's worst thing yourself being killed it it you know loved ones in the crazy -- out. That's that's that. I think that cash respectable and understandable and and an interest in those ones that they haven't combatant which is because this heat their figures they've been -- out of involvement Stacy Lewis is the aberration -- in these kids sequences again when Osborne Mitchell which doesn't. Did not only knowledge and but. They kept her dead cat and parker because they bring -- back in the gate there yeah. That won't stop Iran and it's funny -- don't usually in my whole list of all the characters who were. Who words saying that they can never come back and just in time Bucky program Baram an African Mac well we'll get an -- I'm one of the more interesting deaths marvel in the seventies was captain marvel. It's gotten cancer was more like Wesley wasn't like a battle that is and that sort of -- one of the first -- I can think of it like but he. And those around -- has released patents column it wasn't like. It didn't -- big exciting lives sorry tragic news and star island."
" Either way then you had that mess that they. Sort of brought him back in the but he's not the civil war in here again turns out later it was a scroll but. They could almost bring him back now because of the fury happened yet exactly accurate I think you've got angry I am religious I was and -- did the."
" Promise that we're back civil war was that it was. He in the from a point -- time before he died of cancer tainted future right outside like at least that's workable is workable yet but isn't any you have to go back eventually again that you could live out his real and I still -- on the line yeah."
" But makes about his scroll all time I feel like we've already had that negative reaction so they did bring him back -- just Google it I really on the basis of this. Brandon did. And so you kind of -- And it's it's like to fix but that's structure to. Now remember. Tuesday. Midst our capital artery angry. -- smugglers it to its Genesis. Senator. Recovery is officially on. The good and it is this kind of signs that we're going to be good citizens now what are."
" values and captain marvel was. Slightly less focus pan -- doesn't happen again tomorrow it was a very very important that and and likewise kept -- home agreement on the ground flash support DC. -- that there that's -- I'm -- and the heart of New York City in times square and iFanboy wants -- happy new year as well our sponsors -- space which is a happy new year. -- get a check -- restless yet I don't or square space dot com -- a great website that you can use the -- blonde -- photography portfolio your business -- website whatever he needs Christmas dot com is a great tool to use it you don't need to know any sort of code or anything like that you can use all their tools right on the web -- is really easy to design and build a new website Josh recently launched his cited. And -- space dot com when you sign up you get a free two week free trial if you choose the -- of the servicing these coupon -- I Campbell like the 10% off your purchase and we had a challenge for all your family of viewers out there all the if you want to make a website at comic steam website. And send us the Orel emails contact and I am but outcome of the subject line scores this contest we're gonna pick the best comic themed website. And that winners. So -- news.com don't forget the is that about what iFanboy."
" And we -- very happy new year. And now about 85 you get president -- this is big. Universe changing miniseries which -- all the reboot -- universe continuity and in order to make it. Very important -- weight which was earlier competitive story when it took until somebody in the chill down class a second flash. And very tragic death rate runs to save the save the universe they've halted restaurants or fast he dies and goes -- won't be forced. And this is. Adjusting definitely it's -- marks the transition period that's about it is the point where it's so great stops. -- proposal rigs are so you start with very outward -- very good predictable. What there and then the end of the so -- loyalists because class started and do it whatever bronze it and everybody. And down. Now in 2008."
" His back -- bring back and Tucker sat -- supposed to come back up there around does come back before. Ready -- he's come back throughout the ninety's you know he is -- they went with Barry Allen is just this whole he went in the future in the -- for -- to come back from the future and so by that is he's never. -- the -- but he always died their crisis has its comic captain marvel switched the Rand when he comes back. Is this the Barry from crisis or is it -- in the future we get to know the case does the very Donnan has always known --"
" that's yeah that's right and wrong in that. The future based combat but -- Dicey about the emergence before. They brought him back his come out of this people so -- very that's very good actors died in. So I and it seems as if -- that's backed out is is this being forced did you guys so."
" that he was one of those revered debt that you can never -- even though he's comeback you can never bring back Marion it's funny how it's Leahy made going to have more where they can bring a backhand is for for you know for -- to happen. And I wonder now would be coming back about Allen is okay because he has come back every now and then little bits and gets twenty plus years all right I'll point you just say. -- And the -- on the continuity. And one terminals who normally and keep and it."
" I think disarmament while some deaths that use that need to stay right just because they're important importance I think I -- is is that -- is time though just in time. Who is -- the second Robin until by the joker that's -- storyline. His death redefine bad guesses -- that I -- it -- this is it was happening 88 ethics and it's out. -- then put four years ago he came back to install it just overall it's killer that guy in Connecticut someone to -- Actually. And this is the definitely -- that man you know in 88 still only coming out of a dark -- he still wasn't like the dark better start to read reviews now. And then through the broken multi verse whenever he went on the he stills on some -- advice possible it's unstructured. Time treatments he slipped through its. And and it's. Its its its its one. The -- deaths that you eat just feel like its undoing something important -- don't give you he'll you pull betray you need Jason Todd in the DC says it does he fueled void is very welcome back to avoid a sort of those artists who flaps -- plus other fast people around you need another -- a bit of the endless."
" So Robin isn't let Jason Todd is you know. More or less that define America Batman. His death the -- that he did things the way that he anger you know granted it was starting get a little fires like reelect a -- current pick it up with month. This is because they thought I don't -- know that absolutely but you can't have the caregiver for twenty -- that's insane thing you have to fudged facts a little. Now just like it's almost -- things that they brought when Stacy back like you went through that thing he got over it got past that he moved on this life. And I think now he's."
" We're bringing unsuspecting people worse than a brand new day. Yes yes yes yes it fervor would be worse it will lose the rainy day it was a resents us news from what I've read. Yet it was gonna rewind time he backed -- and have went alliances and to be Bakley never gives going to be high schoolers and that's unfortunate that that's that it didn't. Out of one but. I think there's certain death should round desktop like I think I think that's one buddhism."
" Actually Bob I thought of when it's sort of fits in the or move onto it but it's how how Jordan. Was death that happened that they brought him back he was entirely just. Yes Mikey he never really -- well what whichever way leg and he was supposedly gone at Rodham Matt it is like any certain. Yeah restless legs of -- unit inspector that's bad person yeah it was that it would -- That brought back and it wasn't like so lame that investigated that they just felt scared that theater debate is -- right -- so that we kind of are okay."
" I think it depends how you handle I mean yes very good about saving the universe Jason Todd does Dobson whose mothers -- I didn't both sides. But he tried and that's how he died heroically kept marble. Didn't -- wrote this story was so important did tonight cancer I think there's a good story to have. But it's it's like how well -- elderly and psychotic killer that's that's I didn't immediately what powers well."
" Mortal and yeah that's why do you think that's and is now there's another and over on the marble size isn't -- in a similar defining any untouchable that the untouchable. -- must not live."
" This -- that was it that was the that you really didn't interviews and things as Bucky will never be back whenever -- ever never -- but how."
" However just like any good narrative. Rule goes that you say this will never happen this must happen I mean there's an eight day. And and and nobody nobody would work has -- nobody will has faulted the way to Edgar bigger brought back. James Buchanan -- wasn't nobody does that work and they know what -- could work. Let's talk about that after this --"
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" To those not might not be in on the kept America more obvious psychic World War II and lucky -- but the Barnes who died. Heroically track softly missiles something has a problem at all yeah it's an died man like we said earlier but -- went back -- back and then for victims of America and --"
" Or mentioning before getting that is but is the team that the domino mask teen sidekick of text America Robin is the dominant aspect of Batman. Both brought back on the same day which is -- they're both bill we talked of a -- about this. His issue about your Mac was shipped the same week -- these operatives -- connect totally coincidental then yeah I'll get bigger -- but."
" I mean like the story was so well Iran and so interesting nuance and also. -- making a big deal. It more like this week keep you know have no idea is very -- it's -- that he survived that he he survived the explosion he was taken in by the Russians were never gets nervous and made an assassin assassin who they put it this basis than a mountain news winter soldier. And yet in -- are only slightly over this and honestly I'm on the biggest skeptic -- comes I read this whole thing united. Bought every. Scooped it up like an issue as it --"
" Yeah it's a testament to her breakers right he did so well. I just think. You know very found a place for -- in the world whereas I don't think there's a place it is time and place in the world was. Was another death was -- America and was killed that's -- why but he came back basically to. The tortured path."
" Which is which is almost sad because the the lead up to. And bill Steve Rogers that took place where human like Steve Rogers the greatest thing ever grace a comic book page which is what makes effective it would -- and Kevin are not it was a and I do you honestly I know in the world that we're just waiting drop back. Hey thank you will not for -- government back that in the end reviews as he doesn't semi -- that he's he's not planning on man think so but eventually. I mean and yeah -- in any comic book conversation is an outrage. But -- part of that is part of that is one DC when the sea fields and and and that's one of the data that was one of the things biggest songs in that it easy on its history it. 600 sister was had to submit ninety's -- beets until then pulled the dies and and he's -- and he came. Wouldn't hear me a year a year which is good. It's a long time that's they had Superman books that -- it was it was a little voice video -- cyborg. -- dictator. -- righteous or use of cyberspace and -- Carolina isn't worth coming back from the dead if you have to back with a mullet. Well it was Clinton. -- This is such a the most famous if this is -- character to the Toobin and this is great but the thing is that. He when he died in the news it'll -- and he came back and felt cheap. Ultimately. You know and it was it wasn't a good thing from the -- sales wasn't good thing long term lightly packed."
" Didn't really effects obviously it's over -- inevitably mention had to -- I want to mention deems to embed some White House I used Rex was. I was -- yeah. And what did. About the legacy of this the negative legacy well besides there's another and it was restored but. This is allegedly went -- night and this is what his bid DC saw such issues sales but this is that we -- earlier did what to do this for money because. Dead or alive out of ever come bookstore that it okay I know I went to bunch of them to bias and the little alcohol -- so much money is made from this that they didn't. Regulator kill off many -- literally was with -- injected the green lantern green arrow. Days they were ushering in."
" There should do it is an had a new green our new green lantern and they're doing that there were. Force feeding this legacy thing which is so successful now but doing it with a big event does exactly that -- can't remember -- which is the possibility captain America. I mean as America was it was hidden I mean like you get the sense that. Where I was surprised to see we edited -- tomorrow to Denver her well but but than previously -- guided a couple of years before that and that was a lawyer Elizabeth is assembled -- the big thing and that was -- to fans I forgot and so we've mentioned a few months ago but it did that I brought back again. Then. It was not a citizen and not out of trouble it's funny so I'm back to where he needs to be is basically did Josh yeah but what's funny is that when it happens is now in his -- pace beaches but people hated and this didn't want to realignment is in his first he did was kill Hawkeye and -- him go out. Not like yeah. -- You went out of pocket like and the Internet -- told that -- that he didn't expect it was very very funny. Pandas knew that no -- here's my theory fart and forget it is my third of them -- the reason -- I believe what he's movement zionist hawks are. That's that's my genetics identity -- clearly has yet it's a -- affection for of that character and I think that he killed any ultimatum kill them yet. So that -- bring him back coming Ingraham and yet that's -- have been knocked up and isn't well lot of it has to be part of the transitional period that. I'm not vigorous about I'm young majesty with -- admit that did the whole thing -- all toured the whole this issue about it and she should probably died."
" I was Martin. --"
" I don't really I really don't think it I really don't think would think that when I will write that story I don't pay somebody I want her. You're out there. You -- you know money we need to this -- this is not the your your energy jets -- man fan the most famous statesman who died."
" Is over and over I don't know I -- I -- bone -- go where ever makes a joke Reggie Perry got over Robert he has got that she has died twice. She's that's what's at -- very. Netflix what happened was that. In early next then use the -- it was all ran the words basic -- from Jamaica Bay she came out of water as Phoenix. And then she became dark Phoenix -- established -- life again -- That's for a few years later they want to re launched the -- team on -- excellent that you as the enemy of fantastic four annual it would issue was -- that -- was. But reed Richards finds cool on the bottom Jamaican -- at the Phoenix -- colon gene her -- And dark Phoenix was cloned a gene and I -- those clothes and her so -- currencies is the object made it will grow up and she's back. And I am writing affects -- And earned his car. Remember when it agreed with the universe the -- through the crossover. To look very good. So so she came after she died the one time as a colon and then later remorse and light still believe this whole sole target of an entire run an election was until the right. I've from the get go that's what he's done for the story. Go wild and she's been down losses and just come back so is that might. I think they might think that because she had five in various clones in the Rachel Summers and no -- prior errors is a daughter from -- their future probably -- prior it was a clone of -- the -- is either way which was a great storyline because what happened was that. This is this their clothes Jean -- makes now prior sex couples along the marries or has a baby G comes beckons like loves his leaves Matt -- considering we got the Boris -- is pick -- I went straight as a reason is an uncanny X-Men embrace the -- back -- and and it's like gossip then it's my dad -- law it should. I think as various red headed Phoenix yeah. Skiing great type of people and -- are always coming that's what feeds that yet but she's only Netflix. She's dead now yeah she's been out all let's just debate in cable. Unless they -- them. Now for cares about him the good about it mark. --"
" That's what does does that it effort crisis that for the whole BC you would -- From the fixed managing -- data for -- at this time when those deaths happen in the fun that I thought they shouldn't ever be done. Yeah there's ever been excited to do it. -- Susan would do it you have did you do any candidates really judge the story -- you do too much IDC didn't in the nineties and comes cheap."
" I was reading comments -- came back -- 86 I don't know how it felt like when I'm she -- grounds it was absorbed back. If they bring him back now I'm probably ignorance is back. Right I was just yards and I wanted to 800 back and be attacked if somebody comes across the board didn't have a -- came back -- Odds with the -- So it give any questions or you want clarify anything wrong when they. He's shopping and comics comics books no incentive -- Xavier that you."
" It was a golf."
" War. This episode of -- fan boys brought you by Netflix dot com. Godaddy.com. And square space dot com on this episode of life and boy. --"
" Yeah me."
" Hey welcome to a very special edition of life and -- why sticks -- drugs some of them. -- And I'm Josh. The comic book dad has almost become a joke lately. Almost is that I mean like okay this -- to the user -- toolbar. And it's Clinton and fight -- of garden I mean basically. In in recent years that didn't -- way to sell books someone's gonna die and and the big events seem to always you know -- guys -- and dies after it. Crap I just finished -- show. It's it's the comic book -- is this one device that keeps popping up over and over again and it comes in real reason it's come to mean it's an event and people are largely. Cynical about a supposed no go zones as."
" What has yet it isn't really an imminent yet and it looks happen is that is that accomplice of the anything but he definitely. Lab. Nobody ever really. This is a movement to come back lewis' regardless what a lot of times the a lot of deaths. A lot of resurrection he had a lot of mistaken identity gets to get a lot of oh I think my daddy never saw anybody here exactly as it is that -- accounts lets you see the body. They're day."
" There and I even then and he and that I mean isn't actually Cox is now and that might let what does it take to make debt sticking comics today it doesn't. Well -- little -- product. They keep raising stakes and the stories out. How much higher going to go to and then killing someone off. Yeah and you can't right that's the most awful things can happen in the whole world ending them -- and it's really seven would you go from there an -- in the keep doing over a vote over again. But you can't keep these characters dead yet to bring them back and the more now stuck in a point where someone dies people most of -- ago. If you think about like how many of the managers. Have died at this point you know migrate to -- America or diets or are talk. I mean just like a bunch of -- perilous Parma is next and then he was did that overpriced but like -- civilians. In other than the death yet. -- that -- the most good now the most famous probably -- The death would be Superman's father who died while donuts products. But. No one really thought you know. -- it's done before that so like what's the big deal you know that's a problem I have is that. I'm not convinced -- that. But it will be that's why you're not ready to -- its -- yet. But it's it's gonna be like 810 years in -- mythological -- he'll -- up for awhile but I think that they don't themselves -- hold on Tuesday that drew -- own grave. And to protect the --"
" He doesn't want of the real stakes for the guys it's that I mean yeah. This might not like this losing the pay people you uglier plus who loses this is that it's that natural human -- to do not want to guys. So what's talk about some of the -- that we see -- com but first came on for me was. Early on back sixties Spider-Man completely upon Medicare Letterman. No we don't -- the deaths of two characters to do about it I believe mostly east Baghdad the savings mostly knows you're dead. It was stuff lives on a model."
" The castle. Uncle Ben parker and do this. -- partner. A good bit market makes great -- and aunt May's husband. Is a little later but this is absolutely absolutely that Basil to defense that's fine. Yeah those two deaths have pretty much visited the death of local band in realism -- great power from their responsibility and frequencies he goes green comes up that -- also. As he you know he he took responsibility for us that he failed policy and he's he's partly responsible for -- that in -- way in Israel may. May -- might say he's not and she's a liar. She's just trying to make it better didn't it. It killed at least there's the possibility -- and -- it is there's there's ambiguity residences BC when Stacy grew out at a incidently. And would lose. Attacking him it was getting where it hurts and he captured when -- triggered the -- Russian Edwards and Barack the virgin. So some believe that the act. Active throw -- robberies after that it should -- Or does justice to speak for a rich but the by Richard C gerchas web caught her ankle. And isn't the way it's drawn it looks like the -- first topics topics after -- advances by either way we'll never know and that's almost worse. Bought industries outside the fact that he. Is Spiderman the first ones and herbs and seamless -- but when Stacy she was targeted because yes that the goblins want -- to him so. I mean that's for -- that's almost hear it and let you that's worst thing yourself being killed it it you know loved ones in the crazy -- out. That's that's that. I think that cash respectable and understandable and and an interest in those ones that they haven't combatant which is because this heat their figures they've been -- out of involvement Stacy Lewis is the aberration -- in these kids sequences again when Osborne Mitchell which doesn't. Did not only knowledge and but. They kept her dead cat and parker because they bring -- back in the gate there yeah. That won't stop Iran and it's funny -- don't usually in my whole list of all the characters who were. Who words saying that they can never come back and just in time Bucky program Baram an African Mac well we'll get an -- I'm one of the more interesting deaths marvel in the seventies was captain marvel. It's gotten cancer was more like Wesley wasn't like a battle that is and that sort of -- one of the first -- I can think of it like but he. And those around -- has released patents column it wasn't like. It didn't -- big exciting lives sorry tragic news and star island."
" Either way then you had that mess that they. Sort of brought him back in the but he's not the civil war in here again turns out later it was a scroll but. They could almost bring him back now because of the fury happened yet exactly accurate I think you've got angry I am religious I was and -- did the."
" Promise that we're back civil war was that it was. He in the from a point -- time before he died of cancer tainted future right outside like at least that's workable is workable yet but isn't any you have to go back eventually again that you could live out his real and I still -- on the line yeah."
" But makes about his scroll all time I feel like we've already had that negative reaction so they did bring him back -- just Google it I really on the basis of this. Brandon did. And so you kind of -- And it's it's like to fix but that's structure to. Now remember. Tuesday. Midst our capital artery angry. -- smugglers it to its Genesis. Senator. Recovery is officially on. The good and it is this kind of signs that we're going to be good citizens now what are."
" values and captain marvel was. Slightly less focus pan -- doesn't happen again tomorrow it was a very very important that and and likewise kept -- home agreement on the ground flash support DC. -- that there that's -- I'm -- and the heart of New York City in times square and iFanboy wants -- happy new year as well our sponsors -- space which is a happy new year. -- get a check -- restless yet I don't or square space dot com -- a great website that you can use the -- blonde -- photography portfolio your business -- website whatever he needs Christmas dot com is a great tool to use it you don't need to know any sort of code or anything like that you can use all their tools right on the web -- is really easy to design and build a new website Josh recently launched his cited. And -- space dot com when you sign up you get a free two week free trial if you choose the -- of the servicing these coupon -- I Campbell like the 10% off your purchase and we had a challenge for all your family of viewers out there all the if you want to make a website at comic steam website. And send us the Orel emails contact and I am but outcome of the subject line scores this contest we're gonna pick the best comic themed website. And that winners. So -- news.com don't forget the is that about what iFanboy."
" And we -- very happy new year. And now about 85 you get president -- this is big. Universe changing miniseries which -- all the reboot -- universe continuity and in order to make it. Very important -- weight which was earlier competitive story when it took until somebody in the chill down class a second flash. And very tragic death rate runs to save the save the universe they've halted restaurants or fast he dies and goes -- won't be forced. And this is. Adjusting definitely it's -- marks the transition period that's about it is the point where it's so great stops. -- proposal rigs are so you start with very outward -- very good predictable. What there and then the end of the so -- loyalists because class started and do it whatever bronze it and everybody. And down. Now in 2008."
" His back -- bring back and Tucker sat -- supposed to come back up there around does come back before. Ready -- he's come back throughout the ninety's you know he is -- they went with Barry Allen is just this whole he went in the future in the -- for -- to come back from the future and so by that is he's never. -- the -- but he always died their crisis has its comic captain marvel switched the Rand when he comes back. Is this the Barry from crisis or is it -- in the future we get to know the case does the very Donnan has always known --"
" that's yeah that's right and wrong in that. The future based combat but -- Dicey about the emergence before. They brought him back his come out of this people so -- very that's very good actors died in. So I and it seems as if -- that's backed out is is this being forced did you guys so."
" that he was one of those revered debt that you can never -- even though he's comeback you can never bring back Marion it's funny how it's Leahy made going to have more where they can bring a backhand is for for you know for -- to happen. And I wonder now would be coming back about Allen is okay because he has come back every now and then little bits and gets twenty plus years all right I'll point you just say. -- And the -- on the continuity. And one terminals who normally and keep and it."
" I think disarmament while some deaths that use that need to stay right just because they're important importance I think I -- is is that -- is time though just in time. Who is -- the second Robin until by the joker that's -- storyline. His death redefine bad guesses -- that I -- it -- this is it was happening 88 ethics and it's out. -- then put four years ago he came back to install it just overall it's killer that guy in Connecticut someone to -- Actually. And this is the definitely -- that man you know in 88 still only coming out of a dark -- he still wasn't like the dark better start to read reviews now. And then through the broken multi verse whenever he went on the he stills on some -- advice possible it's unstructured. Time treatments he slipped through its. And and it's. Its its its its one. The -- deaths that you eat just feel like its undoing something important -- don't give you he'll you pull betray you need Jason Todd in the DC says it does he fueled void is very welcome back to avoid a sort of those artists who flaps -- plus other fast people around you need another -- a bit of the endless."
" So Robin isn't let Jason Todd is you know. More or less that define America Batman. His death the -- that he did things the way that he anger you know granted it was starting get a little fires like reelect a -- current pick it up with month. This is because they thought I don't -- know that absolutely but you can't have the caregiver for twenty -- that's insane thing you have to fudged facts a little. Now just like it's almost -- things that they brought when Stacy back like you went through that thing he got over it got past that he moved on this life. And I think now he's."
" We're bringing unsuspecting people worse than a brand new day. Yes yes yes yes it fervor would be worse it will lose the rainy day it was a resents us news from what I've read. Yet it was gonna rewind time he backed -- and have went alliances and to be Bakley never gives going to be high schoolers and that's unfortunate that that's that it didn't. Out of one but. I think there's certain death should round desktop like I think I think that's one buddhism."
" Actually Bob I thought of when it's sort of fits in the or move onto it but it's how how Jordan. Was death that happened that they brought him back he was entirely just. Yes Mikey he never really -- well what whichever way leg and he was supposedly gone at Rodham Matt it is like any certain. Yeah restless legs of -- unit inspector that's bad person yeah it was that it would -- That brought back and it wasn't like so lame that investigated that they just felt scared that theater debate is -- right -- so that we kind of are okay."
" I think it depends how you handle I mean yes very good about saving the universe Jason Todd does Dobson whose mothers -- I didn't both sides. But he tried and that's how he died heroically kept marble. Didn't -- wrote this story was so important did tonight cancer I think there's a good story to have. But it's it's like how well -- elderly and psychotic killer that's that's I didn't immediately what powers well."
" Mortal and yeah that's why do you think that's and is now there's another and over on the marble size isn't -- in a similar defining any untouchable that the untouchable. -- must not live."
" This -- that was it that was the that you really didn't interviews and things as Bucky will never be back whenever -- ever never -- but how."
" However just like any good narrative. Rule goes that you say this will never happen this must happen I mean there's an eight day. And and and nobody nobody would work has -- nobody will has faulted the way to Edgar bigger brought back. James Buchanan -- wasn't nobody does that work and they know what -- could work. Let's talk about that after this --"
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" To those not might not be in on the kept America more obvious psychic World War II and lucky -- but the Barnes who died. Heroically track softly missiles something has a problem at all yeah it's an died man like we said earlier but -- went back -- back and then for victims of America and --"
" Or mentioning before getting that is but is the team that the domino mask teen sidekick of text America Robin is the dominant aspect of Batman. Both brought back on the same day which is -- they're both bill we talked of a -- about this. His issue about your Mac was shipped the same week -- these operatives -- connect totally coincidental then yeah I'll get bigger -- but."
" I mean like the story was so well Iran and so interesting nuance and also. -- making a big deal. It more like this week keep you know have no idea is very -- it's -- that he survived that he he survived the explosion he was taken in by the Russians were never gets nervous and made an assassin assassin who they put it this basis than a mountain news winter soldier. And yet in -- are only slightly over this and honestly I'm on the biggest skeptic -- comes I read this whole thing united. Bought every. Scooped it up like an issue as it --"
" Yeah it's a testament to her breakers right he did so well. I just think. You know very found a place for -- in the world whereas I don't think there's a place it is time and place in the world was. Was another death was -- America and was killed that's -- why but he came back basically to. The tortured path."
" Which is which is almost sad because the the lead up to. And bill Steve Rogers that took place where human like Steve Rogers the greatest thing ever grace a comic book page which is what makes effective it would -- and Kevin are not it was a and I do you honestly I know in the world that we're just waiting drop back. Hey thank you will not for -- government back that in the end reviews as he doesn't semi -- that he's he's not planning on man think so but eventually. I mean and yeah -- in any comic book conversation is an outrage. But -- part of that is part of that is one DC when the sea fields and and and that's one of the data that was one of the things biggest songs in that it easy on its history it. 600 sister was had to submit ninety's -- beets until then pulled the dies and and he's -- and he came. Wouldn't hear me a year a year which is good. It's a long time that's they had Superman books that -- it was it was a little voice video -- cyborg. -- dictator. -- righteous or use of cyberspace and -- Carolina isn't worth coming back from the dead if you have to back with a mullet. Well it was Clinton. -- This is such a the most famous if this is -- character to the Toobin and this is great but the thing is that. He when he died in the news it'll -- and he came back and felt cheap. Ultimately. You know and it was it wasn't a good thing from the -- sales wasn't good thing long term lightly packed."
" Didn't really effects obviously it's over -- inevitably mention had to -- I want to mention deems to embed some White House I used Rex was. I was -- yeah. And what did. About the legacy of this the negative legacy well besides there's another and it was restored but. This is allegedly went -- night and this is what his bid DC saw such issues sales but this is that we -- earlier did what to do this for money because. Dead or alive out of ever come bookstore that it okay I know I went to bunch of them to bias and the little alcohol -- so much money is made from this that they didn't. Regulator kill off many -- literally was with -- injected the green lantern green arrow. Days they were ushering in."
" There should do it is an had a new green our new green lantern and they're doing that there were. Force feeding this legacy thing which is so successful now but doing it with a big event does exactly that -- can't remember -- which is the possibility captain America. I mean as America was it was hidden I mean like you get the sense that. Where I was surprised to see we edited -- tomorrow to Denver her well but but than previously -- guided a couple of years before that and that was a lawyer Elizabeth is assembled -- the big thing and that was -- to fans I forgot and so we've mentioned a few months ago but it did that I brought back again. Then. It was not a citizen and not out of trouble it's funny so I'm back to where he needs to be is basically did Josh yeah but what's funny is that when it happens is now in his -- pace beaches but people hated and this didn't want to realignment is in his first he did was kill Hawkeye and -- him go out. Not like yeah. -- You went out of pocket like and the Internet -- told that -- that he didn't expect it was very very funny. Pandas knew that no -- here's my theory fart and forget it is my third of them -- the reason -- I believe what he's movement zionist hawks are. That's that's my genetics identity -- clearly has yet it's a -- affection for of that character and I think that he killed any ultimatum kill them yet. So that -- bring him back coming Ingraham and yet that's -- have been knocked up and isn't well lot of it has to be part of the transitional period that. I'm not vigorous about I'm young majesty with -- admit that did the whole thing -- all toured the whole this issue about it and she should probably died."
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" That's what does does that it effort crisis that for the whole BC you would -- From the fixed managing -- data for -- at this time when those deaths happen in the fun that I thought they shouldn't ever be done. Yeah there's ever been excited to do it. -- Susan would do it you have did you do any candidates really judge the story -- you do too much IDC didn't in the nineties and comes cheap."
" I was reading comments -- came back -- 86 I don't know how it felt like when I'm she -- grounds it was absorbed back. If they bring him back now I'm probably ignorance is back. Right I was just yards and I wanted to 800 back and be attacked if somebody comes across the board didn't have a -- came back -- Odds with the -- So it give any questions or you want clarify anything wrong when they. He's shopping and comics comics books no incentive -- Xavier that you."
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ConorKilpatrick
Started discussion: December 31, 2008 @ 12:11pm GMT
Episode 103 - Death and Comics [Discussion]
This week, iFanboy takes a look at the comic book death. It can be poignant and touching, or a cheap marketing ploy to sell more books. No character is immune to the reaper's touch, but then again, sooner or later, they'll be back.
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The death of a superhero is a bit of a misnomer, because all comic book readers know that, given enough time, they will return from the grave. There are so many characters who have been killed and been resurrected that it's almost impossible to keep track of them.
But there are great stories about superheroes biting the big one, such as The Death of Captain America, The Death of Captain Marvel, or Batman: A Death in the Family.
When does it work? When is it just a stunt? Ron, Josh, and Conor go over some of the more memorable deaths, as well as the more ill conceived variety.
MKrick
about 1 year ago
There have been some very strong hints that Jean Grey is still alive and is now Mutant Zero in the Initiative books.
edit: Nevermind, it seems MZ is someone else: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutant_Zero
edit: Nevermind, it seems MZ is someone else: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutant_Zero
GabeJa
about 1 year ago
Have their been people that love Jean Grey so much, a la People sending Frank Miller death threats for killing electra?
GabeJa
about 1 year ago
Sorry for the double post, but really quickly, on the all media wrap up show, didn't they say that there would be no video show on wednesday? Not that I'm complaining, but will their be no show next wednesday?
gobo
about 1 year ago
In reply to MKrick:
There have been some very strong hints that Jean Grey is still alive and is now Mutant Zero in the Initiative books.
edit: Nevermind, it seems MZ is someone else: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutant_Zero
edit: Nevermind, it seems MZ is someone else: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutant_Zero
YES! I was right!
ConorKilpatrick
about 1 year ago
In reply to GabeJa:
Sorry for the double post, but really quickly, on the all media wrap up show, didn't they say that there would be no video show on wednesday? Not that I'm complaining, but will their be no show next wednesday?
We said there would be no video show after New Year's. There's no show next Wednesday.
GabeJa
about 1 year ago
In reply to ConorKilpatrick:
We said there would be no video show after New Year's. There's no show next Wednesday.
owwwwwwwwww:( Thats too bad. Will there still be the pow podcast?
GabeJa
about 1 year ago
Can you guys do a mini for old time's sake?http://www.revision3.com/forum/images/icons/icon11.gif











Also with Barry, it seems like he has been dead so long, that even as hokey as it is, I had a fist pump moment when he returned. Also, have they even explained how he is alive? Either way, I'm sure Geoff Johns' mini will kick ass.