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" go to another episode -- Campbell I'm Ron Richards and I'm here rest. -- and Sonny Harrison -- veterinary center -- is one of the writers and FM what dot com and she's here at we're here -- on monsters have sustained in the Castro district. Because your -- Michael allred I am and he's inside. Do -- signing right now. So right now we we celebrate the release of red rocket seven. Which is his ten is the tenth anniversary of his music kind of adventure comic. -- For those who didn't pick up moderately came out what what is -- rockets out of."

" It's it's my love -- rock and roll the big music fan. And also -- a big movie fan and I love comics as it is first pop culture goes comics movies. Music and it was my chance to titles altogether. And that is why did an Independent film called -- west. -- which ties in with the story of the comic book and then there's an album my band the cure did which. Stands alone is now more works is soundtrack because of the music's of referenced in the comic book comic book itself is a story about. Humvees. This man from outer space this robot game is programmed to clone him several times. Cannibalism. You know safe. Preservation yeah exactly but each of the clones. Is enhanced. It is an enhanced version of him. With a specific quality you had and the the red rocket seven. Has his musical talents enhance. So. It's how this alien clone. Or clone of an alien. Interacts. Throughout the history of rock and roller at least the first fifty years or so it's like a -- come through rock and are all here -- thing you know that's that's I should've said."

" Beginning his -- to remind had set a -- gets it's still the robot. Going off on its own and accidentally cutting out these guys is that something that you just have ultimate by the."

" It must've been subconscious I loved that film and gore is the -- what you're referring to and yeah love I love how. Courts it if you know is and his bodyguard and we works in the same way so yeah I'd I hadn't. And I honestly hadn't thought of that connection but it's I'm sure was there is a huge fan of the film. So that the -- looks beautiful in minutes altogether and and when the book originally came that it was a it was a larger size and now it's almost like a seven inside and so is the right I -- to -- it. The idea. A -- of the original series was to have it look like a record album and so it came on the square format and and it over the years I I thought I wanted to look tighter. And since we already kind of done the Yelp he version I wanted to do the 45 sides and so that's what we did here in. I prefer this -- it's really tie aid and compact you can. But in your bag him easily grab it references in the and it's also the quality of that we've managed increase it with sewn binding and I'm really thrilled with that I I prefer the paper stock they're there. There's good two different covers actually visit the hard cover the dust jacket had as a different cover but. -- found underneath were printed underneath is the same part. Is that you get the deluxe version you give both versions of the cover essentially."

" Christ is that smallest size -- its existence in popularity to that they can say just have Banca di thing. The smaller and I just -- thankfully it's you don't at all -- I never thought -- I -- another adolescent I saw that her to a smaller -- of an inch and so like it's totally kind of clicked for me that our parents up so when you so when you do -- at seven in your your time going through the history of music obvious like Elvis in the -- girls but as music got more more developed through the ages of like that. Was it hard to get everybody in her how did you pick and choose wouldn't you know it."

" Was it there were certain -- Moments and in history that can be ignored and have had to be referenced but. I'd vote personally for me a lot of those significant moments. At least from my perspective were what I love the most what. -- glam rock for instance not really. Recognizable as as as being significant today. But if you Trace it back you can't deny it right. So that was my way it's because one of my favorite -- with you know blow yet Ziggy stardust I loved and T Rex you know Roxy music all that's and make Bronson always -- keep it's the spiders from mars. Favorite guitarists of all time and so I was able to you have really spent some time with those characters interacting so that was. -- information. Bomb before that the British invasion and and what it influences future for me so you know Beatles stones kinks. The coup. I just love all that in the end so. It was just really. Fantasy fulfillment to just tied his character and with all of these. These characters. As it progressed you music naturally branched off into different genres beat -- based on them multiple influences. And that's when it became more difficult and so what I decided to -- was then boil it down. As we got him to present day to the indie movement which I think it was and is the future. As we've seen it yet he's sure one. Artists may. -- sell millions more albums. Then an indie band but that the real passion and and special uniqueness. Of what I love about rock and roll comes from those -- man's. And -- say India not talking about a specific kind of music because you know any. You you can be an Independent country artists but for me. What we're presented. -- indie music that I loved the most what tapped back into that British invasion and that's bands like come. The -- war halls and Brian Jonestown massacre and and then you can see how those two bands have influenced a lot of other bands and music. I was make a connection between Indy comics and any news."

" Can that they're both kind of you know like -- all genres not really specific to one thing and not that you know. Package and and put out like by a corporation rather just for the art form itself."

" Exactly and it I think having ten years to kind of be able distanced myself and then revisited I can -- you know circular it is and how it. It is true that it in old. It comes together and and also not just the story in the music. But also other. The film elements as well comic book Indy comics. And it -- all did all ties together with film. What in inspired me the most was put rubber retrieve his stint with el mariachi remain feature film for 7000 dollars and that's what told me hack into that too. With I had you know what with him around. The move heaven and hell bent for ten years yeah. Yeah he's. Uses stalwart we. Keep plugging away and it it keeps slowly progressing forward."

" That's for a rocket no for -- advent of -- Well that that's actually insisting Segway has a lot of talked about mad men as well which is now you know you're doing man -- monthly -- image comics for the -- lawyers they're trying to even do and it's been really have -- didn't really close to lose and and on the out of -- there's and what I've been -- and he's mad men -- for the year for years and has plenty dishes like but I notice each issue I'd never know what to expect now. Each issue seems like an experiment -- different kind of thing."

" Just made my point yeah that's what I'm saying it's there is with every single issue of done with madman atomic comics the new series. There is a specific. Elements yet either and our artistic technique course storytelling technique. That I've tried to implement. For my own selfish self indulgence just so for me to stretches and artists. And it's been really satisfying to see people. You recognize it and and and most times appreciate I've had some complaints. Some some people want the same thing they want to do you eat that -- you they're comfortable in knowing that I am going to get this it's going to be. Exactly what I want. I am I don't like that kind of I want to see something progress so want to see something changing move and grow. And it's so fortunately most of the people lit bit tennis for my work seemed to want that to. And so I appreciate that a if I knew what that secret special thing was that. That media would keep it -- it but I don't know what it is for me that special secret something is that desire to grow and progress and so I can do anything else."

" That eve eve edition of the character is what makes instincts and I think with. Read about seven what was fun is that you watched him grow over time because it was finite people freaked out by that -- and they don't know when that's going to stop so it's a little frightening. Because you just don't know what's going to happen but these relations what makes it exciting."

" I agree that I did some things with some much more popular characters that in -- retrospect may get one because I got beat them quite a bit but. But again tonight I knew where I was going with it. And the bruises are worth it because now I'm I'm just two issues away from this conclusion that I was going for. And this is what I think is Altman happy ending of anything I've ever done and so you don't really appreciate those happy endings and -- you have to go through boot that that dark stuff. And it with our lives YouTube you can appreciate being happy and content if you hadn't had some sadness and sorrow. It's that contrast of that I think is what makes life beautiful. If we were all happy and giddy all the time it'd be you worthless it would mean anything. And so that's what I wanted to bring into this this -- of the first thirteen issues of this new series and then my next challenge is to do. Single issue stories that's my new discipline. Cool and Dunston yeah that's a challenge become but I'm inspired by what I think are the best stories written in any medium it -- Species stories these -- suspense stories new word fantasies. We're science."

" Nice to -- how much does the coloring you know and it's tough to things like. -- seventies kind of Independent magazines self publish things like artisans and Peter -- second thing that keeps it adds such yet. Retro feel to lag."

" That's really need to talk to -- It is I think I see and appreciate colors and I and I love what all of all of those references that you you made I love that that pop. Powerful. It is simple color because -- you describe the most of the New York sounds kind of like a pop art and that's that's -- I love which she does she's she has this. Wonderful color sense and yet. That is -- you telling it to do that rarely rarely it's it's her and chill -- what do the colors and then night I come -- And you know all manipulate -- was and so based on what's on him in the original -- But rarely will -- change her her colors in. Sometimes all you know I want a little darker and lighter but but her combinations are right on all the time. And I'm just blessed that way that you know when we have the opportunity do coloring -- Gets muted color and she took some time off -- job as a jeweler -- And it was like wow look -- you can do so -- she took art college in but she does but their bit. Besides that -- there's a natural. Instinct and she houses that's white."

" These women have a conference that's that's gender thing it yeah. Or reds and -- wanted to know and that either -- airlines that ain't what XML icon send."

" Not science he built -- between I don't think I have a color deficient."

" kind of color blindness. And soul like I can -- and appreciate colors but I have a hard time telling some of them apart. Like some blues and purples some you know that your your green red color blindness so like -- that's a richer but if you if somebody with the same value in a green stood next to you I'd have a hard time it would confuse them now. Yeah so it -- sets noise. And it's been explained to me then but I can see colors I love color. But Laura you know -- just nailed -- combinations that tones the moods. There's moods and colors that I can't create with just -- you know my. Tones."

" So the so they're overwhelmed with men men over the seven I mean the art is beautiful it's -- pop are the colors and things like that. But -- the stories are also you're having your great storyteller it's also very you know and and especially with -- an issues kind of duty music artistic experiment storytelling experiments but you're still working towards a general kind of story -- had you. Merged you know the art and the store eat in the juxtaposition what accomplish -- in the -- approach and and sorry talent."

" Specifically for mad men what it's become for me now is like. Playing with their lives. If that's that's what it is it I I know these characters so well now I know what they're going to say which other given the circumstance. And so for me I just. Drew up the circumstances. Sort of put -- in a situation and then they react at react to the situation. And I would do the same thing whether I was reading it -- a television scripture film scripts. Because of those characters so it's Turk to driven and then I'll use the plots to them -- the character."

" Two page splash page issue where every was every two paid the movement limited you've got the story down already initiative and I'm going to make it move -- not only in this way -- the where the artists done that are amazing are somewhere you did the tributes to the other artists and they break that image is all works in the story you know."

" And does so in that case with with better at it for francs personality stays the same even though he is. It drawn differently in each panel right. So -- there's the character but his situation is being pulled through all these different incarnation these physical incarnations. With the a single panel issue where the entire thing is one connected tracking shot. Thumb again it's a situation they're dealing with these monsters with the same time they have this conversation which flows naturally between them. Most specifically between franken mr. gum the stretchy yet. And so I know what they're going to say and and what what their goal is so if it that's what is natural. In the process process of it. They -- the ideas won't -- get excited. And then it it goes to thumbnail wanted to drawing too you know the ink inking and then lord. Blaze in the flats and I go back him and determined. That the textures based on what what she did. And each of those steps becomes more and more exciting towards the conclusion until we get to the end with the lettering which is by far the most tedious and and but then it's done and its like this incredible high. It it really is so be it it's the idea how then the execution three states and you get closer to conclusion that. It becomes more and more exciting and then it's done. And then you get feedback from your. Editors -- your your marketing director. That the production artist and then it hits the stands and then. You get you get this feedback. And it's just a series of hi Stan and then then there's kind of this little two day vacation. -- And then but at the same time these ideas accumulate because they draw my own stuff they ideas come faster than I'm able to execute them. So yeah I've I've never had to deal with writer's block because. But whereas -- drawing. Any time might. He hit that block it works its way through by the time I'm done drawing what I'm working on. And then working with other writers is just as exciting for all other reason."

" It when I want to touch and that is that the because you've been you've been known as an Independent crater since the first -- mean you're with a legend -- from backing of the ninety's and and through the ninety's herself fortunate Jesse because."

" No one with a higher. And then they cut the fuel that I wasn't like I'm going to be in these guys it was like a debate guide nobody would let -- mainstream guys so. So I did most of them you know fortunately -- and."

" And so now you're changing yourself and images is great because they're one of indie publishers but you also you do you do work in primetime for marvel for DC how how does it that your experience differ from working for one of the big publishers versus -- worker."

" Well with marvel and DC with each of those it it was. -- fan boy love I don't know also put it put it an opportunity to create. X-Men with Peter Milligan dream come true and have it marked the way it was you know with -- all of the -- books being re launched at the same time. And -- was that you still do it it was amazing and ours was the one with the original characters. I mean we made a bunch searchers and kill them off in the first issue and then had even more new characters so it was this huge. Rush of blood and creating dozens of that new X-Men. -- and and then a couple of amended up in that third X-Men movie to a source like. -- was -- so as a fan boy that's that's that approach you know while I'm working on the X-Men -- we're doing initial sandman you know being a fan of sandman -- have -- worked with bill Willingham and --"

" I want to -- that fat because you -- Pinocchio as a little boy and he looks like an adorable little ploy. He doesn't each student at -- totally transformed the story for me because previously I was unable to sympathize with this. Tidbit of like a little white sounds and and -- you've done -- this adorable vulnerable point."

" Well that's it it's I can explain easily on -- for for me it's James seems covers and James always draws no Q was a little boy that. And so I hate. Whereas I I really love what Bucky does the regular artist. Geeky but there was going to be doing the cover for this year I was doing and I saw what James -- with did with Pinocchio. And so it was just easy to try to merge my style with how he did him on the cover. And so that was the thinking for that. -- Build made a map of -- town. And for through this story were able to. Help them walk. Japan don't through -- town for the first time and so they're walking him through the town and I was able to to the challenge was to. Absolutely. Locked down each panelist if you're following them what you would enough film that don't street. And so that that so that this kind of goes back to your question with that if the challenges what makes that exciting to work with the writers that. That approaches things differently it stretches me it challenges me excites me and then that kind of challenge where in the story were actually. Having to make sure that you know exactly where they are at all times it's of the go down the street back up the other streets -- with this one issue. You get this full tour of fable tells."

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" And so some purity and that madman is got a bit of reputation for being out there are times it's kind of you know it's it's it's the you know very essential and things like that that's so yeah you don't advisers say is that how. How did you ever did is when you work out fables or you're gonna marveled at the."

" I think I'd probably just for material. And you know. For me it's like a checklist. All these great characters and icons of wanted to work with so. No I've worked with Superman and Batman and did a soloist with -- the other characters I had had the chance work with I just. Through them in there so the country in one -- out of my system. At no point did anybody ask me to alter any thing although I didn't do. Superman mad men which was -- three issues Honolulu. The first only times Superman is crossover with creator owned character. And there's this scene where. Frank Einstein -- men and Superman. In my script. I've I wrote this one. -- Mike Carlin was my contact with DC. And Mike Richardson -- course was one of kind of helped put this together but. Frank and Superman are sitting down in a swing set in the script and frank. As Superman the question I would ask do you believe in god hears this being that's you know shot through the universe does end. They wouldn't let me have Superman sit in the swing set up. -- for the way they didn't from the question no it's a problem the success yeah. They had to have Superman. Completely alert. I. It in Atlanta making sure that everything was okay but and could not known that we couldn't risk him locking it didn't Aggies have never -- inside -- and -- you'll never see him as -- said. Or -- now yeah Arizona no definite progression things have changed but enough that might actually -- It's really -- with Superman -- was to kind of I'm obsessed with you know. Existential was amended. In my -- psychologists are partly blame him but a level."

" Always from his lungs I can remember -- suffer from this. A woman dead called existential angst and it's this. We're kind of in the way I see it were trapped between. The fear of existing forever which you know it's beautiful thing to think about life after death and heaven but then then what. And then what you know and a million years than what men and three trolling -- then what then what -- Tim never cease existing if you think get through becomes terrifying. Yes it's just as it no more terrifying to tune cease existing or to have never have exist or -- existence not to exist at all. And this is the kind of stuff that. The message in my I had just just blew my mind it is totally. I -- and that's frank Einstein for me that's my connects with frank Einstein because here's this being who had a life. Was brought back to life given a -- shown that his previous life will. -- was shady but potentially he still doesn't know exactly he knows he did horrible things he doesn't know those horrible things justified or not. But then he's faced with this new chance in with this relationship he has with Joe's girlfriend. He wants to be good for her. And so it's. Do we have the desire to make ourselves the best we can be or do we kind of just go with things and if if you want that you take it. Forward do you justify earning it. You know what is your process that that takes you through life and so all of these things go is the brink and so with this new life. That he sees everything and thinks everything through. You know why am I doing this should I do this and most the things he does are for the people around him. Because that's his family -- doctor Flynn who treats him like a Laver. Board Joe who adores him for and who knows why no because he sees himself as this ugly. I think monster -- and so that's how -- see myself -- I don't know why Laura loves me up on this thing that and she's this beautiful. -- you know being that that I don't deserve so. All of that is -- Mabel that's so frank on site is definitely the character right identify him most of any that I've created. And where I'm able to filter all of this. Jones fits in my head and and try to make make it work to make sense in a comic book cool."

" So you mentioned that men men's the carcass wrapping up in the noon to someone and -- says there's anything else on the horizon coming around you got my schedule there."

" room it's. Still trying to push the amendment film forward -- have a script that that are worked on with George -- who wrote directed swimmers sharks a terrific movie. He's a great friend of rubber -- disease Robert got us together. And so -- with that it's a word and try to work with scheduling we're trying to figure out exactly one how much it'll cost. And that's all kind of out of my hands and so. Do that because that's the only. Thing that could take me off my current goals. I'm able to focus almost exclusively on men and right now that's Nickels I'd like goodness that's here you know do a model look at the end game T yeah this and a there is my golden plates project to -- that. That became. Just a bit off. Too much at first and on trying to figure out how white can. Completed. At some that are really want to complete for me that. That book represents. The closest thing to physical evidence that god exists. If actually try to approach it from like somebody who just -- CNN is told. Here's this book it's a thousand year history but those near record of these people it came from Jerusalem to Jim that this continent. And certain width 600 BC and then are told that. God the son of god will come and so just like in old testament scripture and then what you find."

" comes in new testament this he comes as a resurrected being to -- America us and Ben 400 years later this people get date they've become corrupt and they get killed off and then this this record is found him and then god. With Jesus Christ as better site give us this farm boy from upper state New York Joseph Smith -- very controversial figure. And no matter what you think of Joseph Smith the fact is he's -- it was a brilliant man. Did he invent the book of Mormon. If so is the most brilliant. Fraud of all time because this Church continues across fastest growing organized Church in the world. And hum. So he'd be wrote this amazing piece of of fiction. With this again thousand history is guided him get beyond the fourth grade or he won't. Or he truly did. Beat was this. Messenger from god to restore Christ simple true gospel -- either either way it's interesting to me you're -- broader truth. It's fascinating and what I need to come to understand is that or hope for is that we're here to test ourselves isn't about being. Good or bad or or. Or better than other people. So I I don't I I don't get into these morality plays about. You know Tom are gay people people or. Are you know it or name name -- controversy it doesn't meet matter to me because we each have -- Challenges. We -- whether. And for me it's however it developed this live and let live philosophy where. As long as somebody's happy and not hurting somebody else it's a golden rule. Just treat people with the same dignity that you want to be treated with that's what I think we're here to learn and understand. And yeah if you just have -- if we can all just agree with that one simple philosophy doesn't matter. If you go to Church or don't go to Church what Church you go to if you do go to a Church. But that we're just kind to each other. I just want people -- think about who they are whether here where did they exist before this are they going to exist after this is there reason for this. And then at least I did my part in trying to express things to other human beings. Just like to things that other artists and creators of expressed Meehan have inspired me help me grow I want to do that too. And I don't think comic books or the gutter that so many people think they are its its words and pictures."

" The stories of innocent beautiful thing -- I love words -- love novels I love art and love been looking at did architecture -- looking at paintings on the wall. And if you can combine images and words. That's what's my -- art form so in doing red rocket seven to bring the so around. It that's what it what it was for me to be able to explore all these meetings that I loved. And then. It in finishing -- realize. As much as I love creating music as long as -- film making. I want to do comic books it's where can completely and instantly express myself. And budget no limitations -- performance film and industry. I don't need to buy a bunch of cameras I don't need to you know get. Editors and actors and that's just producers all this on my little art table then you know -- got a pencil and paper and Laura. I don't know what gets much color in there it it's it's everything I wanted to be."

" Thank you we take up to anytime he got a whole store following to sign but -- definitely one of the most unique -- kind of innovative traders that we're big fans of so thank thank you so much for older worked -- and rich on the red rocket seven thanks for the time which okay."

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" I love that I love when Nazis from street just vocal bound. What they feel about that left and took that -- excited about and."

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" go to another episode -- Campbell I'm Ron Richards and I'm here rest. -- and Sonny Harrison -- veterinary center -- is one of the writers and FM what dot com and she's here at we're here -- on monsters have sustained in the Castro district. Because your -- Michael allred I am and he's inside. Do -- signing right now. So right now we we celebrate the release of red rocket seven. Which is his ten is the tenth anniversary of his music kind of adventure comic. -- For those who didn't pick up moderately came out what what is -- rockets out of."

" It's it's my love -- rock and roll the big music fan. And also -- a big movie fan and I love comics as it is first pop culture goes comics movies. Music and it was my chance to titles altogether. And that is why did an Independent film called -- west. -- which ties in with the story of the comic book and then there's an album my band the cure did which. Stands alone is now more works is soundtrack because of the music's of referenced in the comic book comic book itself is a story about. Humvees. This man from outer space this robot game is programmed to clone him several times. Cannibalism. You know safe. Preservation yeah exactly but each of the clones. Is enhanced. It is an enhanced version of him. With a specific quality you had and the the red rocket seven. Has his musical talents enhance. So. It's how this alien clone. Or clone of an alien. Interacts. Throughout the history of rock and roller at least the first fifty years or so it's like a -- come through rock and are all here -- thing you know that's that's I should've said."

" Beginning his -- to remind had set a -- gets it's still the robot. Going off on its own and accidentally cutting out these guys is that something that you just have ultimate by the."

" It must've been subconscious I loved that film and gore is the -- what you're referring to and yeah love I love how. Courts it if you know is and his bodyguard and we works in the same way so yeah I'd I hadn't. And I honestly hadn't thought of that connection but it's I'm sure was there is a huge fan of the film. So that the -- looks beautiful in minutes altogether and and when the book originally came that it was a it was a larger size and now it's almost like a seven inside and so is the right I -- to -- it. The idea. A -- of the original series was to have it look like a record album and so it came on the square format and and it over the years I I thought I wanted to look tighter. And since we already kind of done the Yelp he version I wanted to do the 45 sides and so that's what we did here in. I prefer this -- it's really tie aid and compact you can. But in your bag him easily grab it references in the and it's also the quality of that we've managed increase it with sewn binding and I'm really thrilled with that I I prefer the paper stock they're there. There's good two different covers actually visit the hard cover the dust jacket had as a different cover but. -- found underneath were printed underneath is the same part. Is that you get the deluxe version you give both versions of the cover essentially."

" Christ is that smallest size -- its existence in popularity to that they can say just have Banca di thing. The smaller and I just -- thankfully it's you don't at all -- I never thought -- I -- another adolescent I saw that her to a smaller -- of an inch and so like it's totally kind of clicked for me that our parents up so when you so when you do -- at seven in your your time going through the history of music obvious like Elvis in the -- girls but as music got more more developed through the ages of like that. Was it hard to get everybody in her how did you pick and choose wouldn't you know it."

" Was it there were certain -- Moments and in history that can be ignored and have had to be referenced but. I'd vote personally for me a lot of those significant moments. At least from my perspective were what I love the most what. -- glam rock for instance not really. Recognizable as as as being significant today. But if you Trace it back you can't deny it right. So that was my way it's because one of my favorite -- with you know blow yet Ziggy stardust I loved and T Rex you know Roxy music all that's and make Bronson always -- keep it's the spiders from mars. Favorite guitarists of all time and so I was able to you have really spent some time with those characters interacting so that was. -- information. Bomb before that the British invasion and and what it influences future for me so you know Beatles stones kinks. The coup. I just love all that in the end so. It was just really. Fantasy fulfillment to just tied his character and with all of these. These characters. As it progressed you music naturally branched off into different genres beat -- based on them multiple influences. And that's when it became more difficult and so what I decided to -- was then boil it down. As we got him to present day to the indie movement which I think it was and is the future. As we've seen it yet he's sure one. Artists may. -- sell millions more albums. Then an indie band but that the real passion and and special uniqueness. Of what I love about rock and roll comes from those -- man's. And -- say India not talking about a specific kind of music because you know any. You you can be an Independent country artists but for me. What we're presented. -- indie music that I loved the most what tapped back into that British invasion and that's bands like come. The -- war halls and Brian Jonestown massacre and and then you can see how those two bands have influenced a lot of other bands and music. I was make a connection between Indy comics and any news."

" Can that they're both kind of you know like -- all genres not really specific to one thing and not that you know. Package and and put out like by a corporation rather just for the art form itself."

" Exactly and it I think having ten years to kind of be able distanced myself and then revisited I can -- you know circular it is and how it. It is true that it in old. It comes together and and also not just the story in the music. But also other. The film elements as well comic book Indy comics. And it -- all did all ties together with film. What in inspired me the most was put rubber retrieve his stint with el mariachi remain feature film for 7000 dollars and that's what told me hack into that too. With I had you know what with him around. The move heaven and hell bent for ten years yeah. Yeah he's. Uses stalwart we. Keep plugging away and it it keeps slowly progressing forward."

" That's for a rocket no for -- advent of -- Well that that's actually insisting Segway has a lot of talked about mad men as well which is now you know you're doing man -- monthly -- image comics for the -- lawyers they're trying to even do and it's been really have -- didn't really close to lose and and on the out of -- there's and what I've been -- and he's mad men -- for the year for years and has plenty dishes like but I notice each issue I'd never know what to expect now. Each issue seems like an experiment -- different kind of thing."

" Just made my point yeah that's what I'm saying it's there is with every single issue of done with madman atomic comics the new series. There is a specific. Elements yet either and our artistic technique course storytelling technique. That I've tried to implement. For my own selfish self indulgence just so for me to stretches and artists. And it's been really satisfying to see people. You recognize it and and and most times appreciate I've had some complaints. Some some people want the same thing they want to do you eat that -- you they're comfortable in knowing that I am going to get this it's going to be. Exactly what I want. I am I don't like that kind of I want to see something progress so want to see something changing move and grow. And it's so fortunately most of the people lit bit tennis for my work seemed to want that to. And so I appreciate that a if I knew what that secret special thing was that. That media would keep it -- it but I don't know what it is for me that special secret something is that desire to grow and progress and so I can do anything else."

" That eve eve edition of the character is what makes instincts and I think with. Read about seven what was fun is that you watched him grow over time because it was finite people freaked out by that -- and they don't know when that's going to stop so it's a little frightening. Because you just don't know what's going to happen but these relations what makes it exciting."

" I agree that I did some things with some much more popular characters that in -- retrospect may get one because I got beat them quite a bit but. But again tonight I knew where I was going with it. And the bruises are worth it because now I'm I'm just two issues away from this conclusion that I was going for. And this is what I think is Altman happy ending of anything I've ever done and so you don't really appreciate those happy endings and -- you have to go through boot that that dark stuff. And it with our lives YouTube you can appreciate being happy and content if you hadn't had some sadness and sorrow. It's that contrast of that I think is what makes life beautiful. If we were all happy and giddy all the time it'd be you worthless it would mean anything. And so that's what I wanted to bring into this this -- of the first thirteen issues of this new series and then my next challenge is to do. Single issue stories that's my new discipline. Cool and Dunston yeah that's a challenge become but I'm inspired by what I think are the best stories written in any medium it -- Species stories these -- suspense stories new word fantasies. We're science."

" Nice to -- how much does the coloring you know and it's tough to things like. -- seventies kind of Independent magazines self publish things like artisans and Peter -- second thing that keeps it adds such yet. Retro feel to lag."

" That's really need to talk to -- It is I think I see and appreciate colors and I and I love what all of all of those references that you you made I love that that pop. Powerful. It is simple color because -- you describe the most of the New York sounds kind of like a pop art and that's that's -- I love which she does she's she has this. Wonderful color sense and yet. That is -- you telling it to do that rarely rarely it's it's her and chill -- what do the colors and then night I come -- And you know all manipulate -- was and so based on what's on him in the original -- But rarely will -- change her her colors in. Sometimes all you know I want a little darker and lighter but but her combinations are right on all the time. And I'm just blessed that way that you know when we have the opportunity do coloring -- Gets muted color and she took some time off -- job as a jeweler -- And it was like wow look -- you can do so -- she took art college in but she does but their bit. Besides that -- there's a natural. Instinct and she houses that's white."

" These women have a conference that's that's gender thing it yeah. Or reds and -- wanted to know and that either -- airlines that ain't what XML icon send."

" Not science he built -- between I don't think I have a color deficient."

" kind of color blindness. And soul like I can -- and appreciate colors but I have a hard time telling some of them apart. Like some blues and purples some you know that your your green red color blindness so like -- that's a richer but if you if somebody with the same value in a green stood next to you I'd have a hard time it would confuse them now. Yeah so it -- sets noise. And it's been explained to me then but I can see colors I love color. But Laura you know -- just nailed -- combinations that tones the moods. There's moods and colors that I can't create with just -- you know my. Tones."

" So the so they're overwhelmed with men men over the seven I mean the art is beautiful it's -- pop are the colors and things like that. But -- the stories are also you're having your great storyteller it's also very you know and and especially with -- an issues kind of duty music artistic experiment storytelling experiments but you're still working towards a general kind of story -- had you. Merged you know the art and the store eat in the juxtaposition what accomplish -- in the -- approach and and sorry talent."

" Specifically for mad men what it's become for me now is like. Playing with their lives. If that's that's what it is it I I know these characters so well now I know what they're going to say which other given the circumstance. And so for me I just. Drew up the circumstances. Sort of put -- in a situation and then they react at react to the situation. And I would do the same thing whether I was reading it -- a television scripture film scripts. Because of those characters so it's Turk to driven and then I'll use the plots to them -- the character."

" Two page splash page issue where every was every two paid the movement limited you've got the story down already initiative and I'm going to make it move -- not only in this way -- the where the artists done that are amazing are somewhere you did the tributes to the other artists and they break that image is all works in the story you know."

" And does so in that case with with better at it for francs personality stays the same even though he is. It drawn differently in each panel right. So -- there's the character but his situation is being pulled through all these different incarnation these physical incarnations. With the a single panel issue where the entire thing is one connected tracking shot. Thumb again it's a situation they're dealing with these monsters with the same time they have this conversation which flows naturally between them. Most specifically between franken mr. gum the stretchy yet. And so I know what they're going to say and and what what their goal is so if it that's what is natural. In the process process of it. They -- the ideas won't -- get excited. And then it it goes to thumbnail wanted to drawing too you know the ink inking and then lord. Blaze in the flats and I go back him and determined. That the textures based on what what she did. And each of those steps becomes more and more exciting towards the conclusion until we get to the end with the lettering which is by far the most tedious and and but then it's done and its like this incredible high. It it really is so be it it's the idea how then the execution three states and you get closer to conclusion that. It becomes more and more exciting and then it's done. And then you get feedback from your. Editors -- your your marketing director. That the production artist and then it hits the stands and then. You get you get this feedback. And it's just a series of hi Stan and then then there's kind of this little two day vacation. -- And then but at the same time these ideas accumulate because they draw my own stuff they ideas come faster than I'm able to execute them. So yeah I've I've never had to deal with writer's block because. But whereas -- drawing. Any time might. He hit that block it works its way through by the time I'm done drawing what I'm working on. And then working with other writers is just as exciting for all other reason."

" It when I want to touch and that is that the because you've been you've been known as an Independent crater since the first -- mean you're with a legend -- from backing of the ninety's and and through the ninety's herself fortunate Jesse because."

" No one with a higher. And then they cut the fuel that I wasn't like I'm going to be in these guys it was like a debate guide nobody would let -- mainstream guys so. So I did most of them you know fortunately -- and."

" And so now you're changing yourself and images is great because they're one of indie publishers but you also you do you do work in primetime for marvel for DC how how does it that your experience differ from working for one of the big publishers versus -- worker."

" Well with marvel and DC with each of those it it was. -- fan boy love I don't know also put it put it an opportunity to create. X-Men with Peter Milligan dream come true and have it marked the way it was you know with -- all of the -- books being re launched at the same time. And -- was that you still do it it was amazing and ours was the one with the original characters. I mean we made a bunch searchers and kill them off in the first issue and then had even more new characters so it was this huge. Rush of blood and creating dozens of that new X-Men. -- and and then a couple of amended up in that third X-Men movie to a source like. -- was -- so as a fan boy that's that's that approach you know while I'm working on the X-Men -- we're doing initial sandman you know being a fan of sandman -- have -- worked with bill Willingham and --"

" I want to -- that fat because you -- Pinocchio as a little boy and he looks like an adorable little ploy. He doesn't each student at -- totally transformed the story for me because previously I was unable to sympathize with this. Tidbit of like a little white sounds and and -- you've done -- this adorable vulnerable point."

" Well that's it it's I can explain easily on -- for for me it's James seems covers and James always draws no Q was a little boy that. And so I hate. Whereas I I really love what Bucky does the regular artist. Geeky but there was going to be doing the cover for this year I was doing and I saw what James -- with did with Pinocchio. And so it was just easy to try to merge my style with how he did him on the cover. And so that was the thinking for that. -- Build made a map of -- town. And for through this story were able to. Help them walk. Japan don't through -- town for the first time and so they're walking him through the town and I was able to to the challenge was to. Absolutely. Locked down each panelist if you're following them what you would enough film that don't street. And so that that so that this kind of goes back to your question with that if the challenges what makes that exciting to work with the writers that. That approaches things differently it stretches me it challenges me excites me and then that kind of challenge where in the story were actually. Having to make sure that you know exactly where they are at all times it's of the go down the street back up the other streets -- with this one issue. You get this full tour of fable tells."

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" And so some purity and that madman is got a bit of reputation for being out there are times it's kind of you know it's it's it's the you know very essential and things like that that's so yeah you don't advisers say is that how. How did you ever did is when you work out fables or you're gonna marveled at the."

" I think I'd probably just for material. And you know. For me it's like a checklist. All these great characters and icons of wanted to work with so. No I've worked with Superman and Batman and did a soloist with -- the other characters I had had the chance work with I just. Through them in there so the country in one -- out of my system. At no point did anybody ask me to alter any thing although I didn't do. Superman mad men which was -- three issues Honolulu. The first only times Superman is crossover with creator owned character. And there's this scene where. Frank Einstein -- men and Superman. In my script. I've I wrote this one. -- Mike Carlin was my contact with DC. And Mike Richardson -- course was one of kind of helped put this together but. Frank and Superman are sitting down in a swing set in the script and frank. As Superman the question I would ask do you believe in god hears this being that's you know shot through the universe does end. They wouldn't let me have Superman sit in the swing set up. -- for the way they didn't from the question no it's a problem the success yeah. They had to have Superman. Completely alert. I. It in Atlanta making sure that everything was okay but and could not known that we couldn't risk him locking it didn't Aggies have never -- inside -- and -- you'll never see him as -- said. Or -- now yeah Arizona no definite progression things have changed but enough that might actually -- It's really -- with Superman -- was to kind of I'm obsessed with you know. Existential was amended. In my -- psychologists are partly blame him but a level."

" Always from his lungs I can remember -- suffer from this. A woman dead called existential angst and it's this. We're kind of in the way I see it were trapped between. The fear of existing forever which you know it's beautiful thing to think about life after death and heaven but then then what. And then what you know and a million years than what men and three trolling -- then what then what -- Tim never cease existing if you think get through becomes terrifying. Yes it's just as it no more terrifying to tune cease existing or to have never have exist or -- existence not to exist at all. And this is the kind of stuff that. The message in my I had just just blew my mind it is totally. I -- and that's frank Einstein for me that's my connects with frank Einstein because here's this being who had a life. Was brought back to life given a -- shown that his previous life will. -- was shady but potentially he still doesn't know exactly he knows he did horrible things he doesn't know those horrible things justified or not. But then he's faced with this new chance in with this relationship he has with Joe's girlfriend. He wants to be good for her. And so it's. Do we have the desire to make ourselves the best we can be or do we kind of just go with things and if if you want that you take it. Forward do you justify earning it. You know what is your process that that takes you through life and so all of these things go is the brink and so with this new life. That he sees everything and thinks everything through. You know why am I doing this should I do this and most the things he does are for the people around him. Because that's his family -- doctor Flynn who treats him like a Laver. Board Joe who adores him for and who knows why no because he sees himself as this ugly. I think monster -- and so that's how -- see myself -- I don't know why Laura loves me up on this thing that and she's this beautiful. -- you know being that that I don't deserve so. All of that is -- Mabel that's so frank on site is definitely the character right identify him most of any that I've created. And where I'm able to filter all of this. Jones fits in my head and and try to make make it work to make sense in a comic book cool."

" So you mentioned that men men's the carcass wrapping up in the noon to someone and -- says there's anything else on the horizon coming around you got my schedule there."

" room it's. Still trying to push the amendment film forward -- have a script that that are worked on with George -- who wrote directed swimmers sharks a terrific movie. He's a great friend of rubber -- disease Robert got us together. And so -- with that it's a word and try to work with scheduling we're trying to figure out exactly one how much it'll cost. And that's all kind of out of my hands and so. Do that because that's the only. Thing that could take me off my current goals. I'm able to focus almost exclusively on men and right now that's Nickels I'd like goodness that's here you know do a model look at the end game T yeah this and a there is my golden plates project to -- that. That became. Just a bit off. Too much at first and on trying to figure out how white can. Completed. At some that are really want to complete for me that. That book represents. The closest thing to physical evidence that god exists. If actually try to approach it from like somebody who just -- CNN is told. Here's this book it's a thousand year history but those near record of these people it came from Jerusalem to Jim that this continent. And certain width 600 BC and then are told that. God the son of god will come and so just like in old testament scripture and then what you find."

" comes in new testament this he comes as a resurrected being to -- America us and Ben 400 years later this people get date they've become corrupt and they get killed off and then this this record is found him and then god. With Jesus Christ as better site give us this farm boy from upper state New York Joseph Smith -- very controversial figure. And no matter what you think of Joseph Smith the fact is he's -- it was a brilliant man. Did he invent the book of Mormon. If so is the most brilliant. Fraud of all time because this Church continues across fastest growing organized Church in the world. And hum. So he'd be wrote this amazing piece of of fiction. With this again thousand history is guided him get beyond the fourth grade or he won't. Or he truly did. Beat was this. Messenger from god to restore Christ simple true gospel -- either either way it's interesting to me you're -- broader truth. It's fascinating and what I need to come to understand is that or hope for is that we're here to test ourselves isn't about being. Good or bad or or. Or better than other people. So I I don't I I don't get into these morality plays about. You know Tom are gay people people or. Are you know it or name name -- controversy it doesn't meet matter to me because we each have -- Challenges. We -- whether. And for me it's however it developed this live and let live philosophy where. As long as somebody's happy and not hurting somebody else it's a golden rule. Just treat people with the same dignity that you want to be treated with that's what I think we're here to learn and understand. And yeah if you just have -- if we can all just agree with that one simple philosophy doesn't matter. If you go to Church or don't go to Church what Church you go to if you do go to a Church. But that we're just kind to each other. I just want people -- think about who they are whether here where did they exist before this are they going to exist after this is there reason for this. And then at least I did my part in trying to express things to other human beings. Just like to things that other artists and creators of expressed Meehan have inspired me help me grow I want to do that too. And I don't think comic books or the gutter that so many people think they are its its words and pictures."

" The stories of innocent beautiful thing -- I love words -- love novels I love art and love been looking at did architecture -- looking at paintings on the wall. And if you can combine images and words. That's what's my -- art form so in doing red rocket seven to bring the so around. It that's what it what it was for me to be able to explore all these meetings that I loved. And then. It in finishing -- realize. As much as I love creating music as long as -- film making. I want to do comic books it's where can completely and instantly express myself. And budget no limitations -- performance film and industry. I don't need to buy a bunch of cameras I don't need to you know get. Editors and actors and that's just producers all this on my little art table then you know -- got a pencil and paper and Laura. I don't know what gets much color in there it it's it's everything I wanted to be."

" Thank you we take up to anytime he got a whole store following to sign but -- definitely one of the most unique -- kind of innovative traders that we're big fans of so thank thank you so much for older worked -- and rich on the red rocket seven thanks for the time which okay."

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