" And the -- part of my family and we're here because we also have. -- you give us an -- Don't look bad -- get on the should have some -- yeah."

" Here in the suburbs and Jersey with -- so helpless they don't -- thanks for loudness and a year the privacy of your home to talk today. Yes I had a choice. Set up shop right there and so on the source and here by the pool and a wonderful apple martini but we should you drink and we can we just think its -- and thank you thank you so. But these days and -- disown him -- cut it anymore. That right so I'm one of the things that that we're very curious about is how you got into the business a -- I -- closure entry into the into the he -- long story meanwhile -- points. I wasn't I was it's graphic design Fashion Institute of Technology AM to deny course switching Colin. And famous you know -- digital imaging. And the tickets on a field trip. Two of -- one day and it was the data center and an internship through my next year. So I just dumb when it and every other place I'd gone to advertising places they always suits ties and so it tomorrow. And there's there was it was funny -- boyfriend -- but he's walking through with flip flops ripped sweats and a -- T shirt. -- But so I expect. Got to do this inside applied for an internship and there are fascinated that I know anything about comic books inside an internship -- work for an editor part time network and production."

" And by the time."

" And I graduated in that are hired me I was there two years total and wanting more money annually would be that was in the -- departments is actually paying somebody left and I just."

" The guy recommended I mean this you know help me out to me the job until February within."

" A year of that job eyes are getting a freelance work and it does make more money at night. It was during the day so it's like I gotta I gotta just make a choice and -- for some companies have a whole department dedicated to lettering and in loses -- true and and not anymore the data into production but everything -- yet it's it would there was when everything was done by hand he would have to make corrections in house like you -- just male pages. Forthwith and with the -- guys. So I learned how to handler and me and mimic all the other what are you guys -- and so that's the -- and -- now with the computer lettering."

" You don't need because you just -- email back and see here the changes fix it you've already got fonts and you don't need it in Austin to fix anything so."

" that's one thing now that we're curious about I was like how the process is now on how it's changed from back man."

" Viewed with with the advent of the digital agency for it's it's a lot different and in the process it's certainly different in the art."

" A bit but come the way we go about doing things is a lot different."

" And that is in the time we Easton I'd I'd sit in house and you know there was the same -- when."

" What -- Would you Smith who's doing that Wolverine -- what an excellent next government and Hamas presents -- and you know that was was lettering it. And what happened was he was really particular and would rewrite even after the book was -- I -- I can go through this book and I can see all the changes that I mean he just rewrite some other dude nowadays it's so easy that and it just does that consist."

" Fix it. And you know you've -- type you change it but at the time then you just basically had to."

" Mimic what they were doing so -- so when you started you would actually get the page that the drawn pay for joining paid the most but we'll know what's in my in the field is what they would do all this is all these are confident. Of a bomb. What the deal is. It was it was -- to lose weight they give you they'll overly he would letter in the new picks up later I would get. The little -- boards like you get the penciled pages I would think it letter and then limited mail directly to double the income. And then he would take it. Who does the word balloons themselves what does the artist of the word balloon or do you do to -- now and and Angelina you know I'm with the way it usually runs is. And you'll get a script. You get to. Placements the most important normally I don't use them anymore I pretty much I've been doing this alone I don't I don't need anybody to me where the stuff I can help tell the story -- and another way to do it on. -- crater itself so you don't know I mean even him yesterday and grew bigger as a drop and in. Retirees what you -- as you know you do you do this is I'm gonna try what you did at least to know what to do without being told what to do. But it is an ad was only one day. That he liked the fact that I knew it was doing so I don't know legal places but they'll give us placements basically the boot that just as your copy of saying here's where everything should go. I do it I had a book and letter I believe everything is me on the process the sound effects everything is mean nobody really says and then he would -- obviously come -- exchange here for six and this looks tolerable and sucking in getting paid in August 5 at. So on the -- and hand -- days -- did you have really good handwriting to start with. I was all if you talk to him on ice the -- out of."

" We have penmanship classes in school ice with."

" It notes home all the time you sort in his handwriting but it's a it's a totally different beast is you're working with different tools it's also. It's almost -- when drawing when your handlers -- I'm designing type. Let's go to that faces yet it was include easier it's totally different stuff from -- if I scribbling -- Totally different if she really taken to you don't like brightness your kids to do the laundry -- like an unflattering kiss and I mean it's like it's been that we can read my hand it's awful it's the funniest thing I have like the worst handwriting and yet -- did -- If I mean that the and bitter pill. So then so then taking that forward to the digital age. So. Because I guess when your hand lettering you. I guess you have an idea you can measure of the space but with a computer can be so much easier to manage their own land at a time because you know it -- is permanent so you know and -- You know yeah you got a balloon that's in the upper right corner and your writing an award and boom you run out of space you need to sort of we make sure that you know and after buying a good as you can sort of."

" Make it work but now it's great need that doesn't fit right let's Bush's axis and how does that interplay between you in the script and the editorial staff and the writer I mean if you get -- if you get it like. -- her from Brubaker who who is this particular worry. And can you look -- on a second on the page or gotten them or did they think about veteran -- you know most of us are pretty good and had the biggest one usually is and this is just facetious over boasting he was once a lot of balloons and stuffed the loan that is just. And giggling and and making you know that's -- that -- to is that he thinks -- play with it and make it work. And and they can even come back afterwards. You know but sometimes ago put balloons going down in the -- and -- don't want across the top and and can we do it but. I'm in it doesn't make that easier now that you don't have to stress so much that it's permanent and you can't be movement on eight undated the undo button is this. This controlling -- optional and you know whatever your Mac term as Mac -- bodies he got there. And -- and every situation where you're actually editing the but the words and in unity and in his is kind of like the script the song title -- they say don't action at all you know this you know. Obviously eagle -- change that but sometimes you like I don't know all know that it's -- like you know it was a supposing this. That there is and the gates and -- of the older and -- dungeon you just I get -- like no. -- running joke in the industry. In marble and the war the word is all right it's not all right one word it's two words it's so I would get in the script."

" Assessing the same you know causing any trouble later on -- just change it to word is no I'm gonna get it from proof reading incident may -- changes."

" So I've learned this -- mean obviously would change dialogue in the clutter but now -- if plus every it's a look at it now so you know like. In the case of a daredevil and ghost and to look at I mean he gets and all the writers and the colors for the most part. Get to look at and say I would here's like here's what I like I'm -- and I'm from prime you know you get notes directly from them as well as editorial. So everybody's in the presently -- can tell you know and what they want and and and tell me what they need so you know its its missile. Trouble ball having you see some of these writers to do all the time and you know it's because we did that when time remember. What my guys and and I fixed it achieves its all right I think at this time. And it was and -- script and he got really at a -- like what is -- about -- they always going to change this is what did I just don't want the extra work -- specifically -- had to change and again over and over again this hot -- Is there is there a lot of kind of silo pride amongst the writers and -- letters that -- the -- would what is -- about -- that it wanted to listen to what is about writers they got to be -- for grossly he has often. Or is it really not -- know you -- competition -- and -- I'm I'm -- the humble guy because I know I'm just. You know like on the key grip on the got a hold -- the -- it you know at the time that I. You know they're telling the story and the moment I'm wondering if I'm just tell the story I'm not really trying to be the star and I don't I try to stands I don't. Heavenly convention and I love writers who decide to have like five sound pages I -- mentally because I get paid for their. It's a sweet that's not a statement and it's the dvd on Netflix. -- So in in terms of that the actual time to do the work -- so when you when you get scripting of the art. -- how long does it take until you're done with your peace and or how wonders if you two letter. Com process it's funny it's it's come full circle and when I first was wondering. A couple of SP could -- yeah it just it becomes wrote that it's a process."

" Don't don't don't don't and so I got to a point where I was hand lettering which is insane to me to think about this that at one point rose to about thirty bucks a month so I think obviously. Well good dad was doing by hand -- and -- and -- time with the speculative market opening --"

" So -- Republican you know it was toilet paper it was just what they need people that need warmed by the letter and I was -- everything and as opposed to public image he didn't. And it was doing everything."

" And it looks in the letter -- to -- Foreign Minister -- my wife what happened was I has I was going moving did you there was a point was I was a crossover where -- was you have digital half."

" By hand. And it's."

" Extra slowdown and -- to really slowed down and the last book that I finally had. Is doing by hand with savage dragon which I don't hundreds of -- bus."

" At the point I was getting the book used to from the forty's the letter. And normally can do almost a book a day and I -- I could do it took -- to do and yet now can -- a book about four hours."

" in digital form. And -- by admitting that yes -- can do it anyway and can do digitally but I can do but and it just killing you can do. -- says that what he served himself well he got John working to do for awhile. And but. It was sort of networking -- that he wanted to things done overnight John was doing other work he couldn't just do it. So he he admittedly the letter individually for a couple issues I was actually contemplating going back and hand lettering. So much work going on. And so -- but it did was I who but it -- a computer for a couple issues."

" And then -- secure and want to do by hand and then he went back in data but I remember that list AI finished that last page and I called Kennedy."

" Lopez and and gave the call so this is it I just finished my last book. And it was sort of like a sad moment and a few drinks and how this really saw the long run -- it's infants and about -- might run it was going from."

" And the -- the twice I mean whenever the comic book store and it was done my hand and now that was it."

" Did you not do any hand lettering and on and more I do my host my own web strip we're gonna do it by hand and thumb but I haven't been."

" Doing it regular I was actually for the -- that some pains recently us thinking about it and it was fun to just sit and play with that was so he's going to go right back into it I don't think they can -- the day but his illness."

" funded through again so they admit it. Then I missed that. Good that you just turned on the music and you go into ten pages in the day year I have in. Your mind is gone I can put the TV on Alec and Billy can't for the most by working there. So if you look back -- your careers Erica is -- one issue or one series you like Leonard should and a commitment is there one you're really proud owner I think who I'm really proud of savage dragon just because they're made -- so inclusive in the process like everything was. You know in the beginning with -- are working together. He would. I I -- would you send text on super G and fax to him. And say do proof. Because he had a -- of -- he was only a very particular immediately came from the wolf Simon since the war with with John workman and and and what would work with John on the same sort of like his line."

" I want this I want that -- he's very inclusive and and so would as a very big collaborative. Process it would more than any other books that don't like you know."

" X and you get a script and it's like I never see these guys and never talked and -- and -- not yet in the more on the movie -- together. Could it mean Eric Wheeler on the phone with my wife and his wife would make fun of us who like the girlfriend to on the phone all it'll acquired or built she was on the west coast -- Our phone bills were killing us like the political community is of the all inclusive you know -- time and -- Skype firmware via email and we were literally. On the phone for -- I didn't letter in the book on the phone with him as she still is surely and the hub and the text. Thinks it happens you drink too much kids don't do it but an -- Eric would like and we're such good friends and ended and that's the sad part about. And in the book was an -- Constitution and we're always talking to -- ocean and the book and we're it was going to go. And now it's more hidden on his own and I don't really have that he does it with other people but I don't have a process of that's depressing to listen I mean that. -- There's -- there's. The guy that nobody really knows and his daughter secrecy is working at Mormon he worked in the marble and is in it was -- He did most of the cover copies sold through the 60s70s and it -- with --"

" Com and he did such great where demolished on staff there -- to -- compilation and just. It sounds all the some Xerox and critical Bible of cover copy that these. Significantly going to know you know that have done this and they are zooms in and there's some guys or working at the time -- even in the -- that."

" Nobody really knows -- but nobody knows these people can be generous gesture and people though who. You know or. Sam Rosen or Joe Rosen or. You know I mean these guys you know fill Felix like people go who you -- back -- and where is. We talk every -- why I think he's like we're -- now -- You know but but it's I think -- interesting because -- and then there's been -- are things that were given and use of about who really -- who really evolved with the with the with the process of lettering and turned it into this kind of an issue where you're doing for the -- them on the European you know working with a -- isn't bad I mean. I don't we've evolved as you know it was just I was trying to survive -- I mean like I mean I saw where it was going you know Richard -- the -- Gotta do the ball rolling and I saw what was going to people were like hey this makes life easier I can make changes that that's the big change in the vigil there. Is we're making changes off until."

" Yeah in the final moment like I mean on this past Friday."

" We were literally pushing to get their double out and that and I I was littering the book up until Friday at 2 o'clock and at what issue will that mean that that was this is named the eight K so -- the few weeks via social. It's yours yet apparently out bottom."

" So that closely. If that's that that's the other thing is it also it affords but also people tend to take advantage to forge you. A lot more time to push the envelope is how you can what this thing go you know I mean it used to be."

" Minimum union about a month. Before if the -- came out to get it to the printer as it was mailings email I think that would open an ftp and you've got in it and -- deputy and three seconds and did you get you get every page of the book or do you sometimes get a couple pages at a time terrorism -- so it depends on most of the time is piecemeal to casino like I said this week -- We were just the artists who were the it was getting penciled. Inked in -- and I was wondering as you're going like I get like five games on Monday six pages on Tuesday three more on Wednesday you know and it was -- But that's the joy that enjoyed it -- for -- can close it doesn't afford to everybody is sort of action ability to have the time they need to really get. The way he wanted before it goes I'm. So you know it's an -- if you make me want to -- air and cable production dish you know there there. On Friday night until like 8 o'clock trying to get these books -- watch and then you feel bad but it it gives you an opportunity to re going to mean. I know there's a couple writers I consider the littering. Like I'll I'll composite the book together with the with the the art and send it off and they but the right look at the lateral consider for -- Until they go okay I want to come back and leaving it on balloons that -- dialogue to come. -- together to figure out what I want there. So it really -- it gives them the creativity that affords them."

" This luxury so it's good and it sucks for me at times but."

" You know is good in the final product and we get what they want and you don't. Mean at least to get those moments when you put --"

" Only."

" You know that was slightly done differently or in other now. Mistakes were made you do admit that I spoke a lot of -- morning quarterbacking on the our way back to Thursday morning quarterbacking look at that and usually you never see an error or or or problem until the books he's -- that you everybody look at the book and it'll go through go through go through. And I mean it's funny when in civil war is that we look through the first issue that was mean this is minor but something was ignition marble it was as the the period was missing."

" Everybody missed it the day it came out we -- this -- something."

" The -- somebody on the Internet icon it is it's like it's Easter eggs and just at the that since the film errors and it'll let them again like being in -- and -- made sure it was this way before it if that's okay. But the only real noticeable clubs that that memorable hours ago we screwed of that under god. It's got the point where you can catch even the printer this stuff this you didn't look so that was good but actually in days or so we proof. Rupert into the kind of proof reading staff they've got every editor the book goes to a separate editor to to read a read the -- who doesn't think it involved in the process."

" And they'll sign off what they they find."

" So -- they're -- into that a couple of noticeable. Errors in the past we've done that were caught and you know. It will bring you that. The and remember that when it was good but it was like because the original founders of our allies and that came it came through but."

" For."

" And we."

" At this point to so many people under such scrutiny. It's really hard to really get something obliquely through that -- imagine going to be a lot tighter marvel put you know we're just all aluminum -- morning to somebody is an image and done some dark -- stuff I used to do DC but they know they've got -- and staff so when it has attracted more penalty when -- was they were really an accomplished in -- strips. So now you know several years later like after -- page of the do you find yourself."

" Getting into the story -- Hillary just kind of just rolled through what are your -- I always like to read through the book as a do it just because it helps. If it helps -- the story better like if I know like and sometimes in -- meaning in this like. -- put actionable -- that this -- and you sort of like there's no Christian it to you just make it all be screaming in each other and just. And like you sort of get -- and make sure with a."

" Peak of that story isn't and in May -- work up to a sometimes but I don't want to know what's going on because it'll help."

" Told the story and you know lead the -- through the page so I'm always and I'm always trying to make sure that I read. We need to -- someone involved for the failure you know you're collecting comics now I'm innocent still -- I would cut the books and again I literally I I. I don't sort of look at them to it to check you know quality control -- the annual trip comment that didn't tree right or there's -- there. But I -- and just taken my father and give it to me dead pigs and boards and a bottle and I -- think it's something to desert -- so he could ever getting free stuff he believes those anniversary BC wants the -- the boards in the boxes. He says little you know listening. Can buy today -- a computer program. They wanted in in inside its its a joke and it's like. You can thank me one day when you console this stuff -- and -- great -- great reward of conflict area -- like dream -- only -- to look at the numbers you you know whatever it says in the book you're lucky you get half and then there's the people who loves to collect its and I'll have more coming within an active development material and isn't -- at -- considering comic books -- it's like mega deal -- my father's house in the -- in his basement and I think that they -- he blows everybody in the shielding. This -- room it's just wall to wall -- with a long boxes and he's got alphabetizing my company and -- I'll say you know he's it's scary. I don't know what happened you see that's he's free Tibet."

" I'm not up."

" Home yeah he's dead -- all his -- all parties that. But you know what watch news interview me if you want to try my hand letter carefully notes and things. Yeah."

" Yeah it still is and work. Oh well I'd better get back to the interview."

" And we'll normally they'll give me a word document for the script. Yeltsin he scans which have tips and and we meet and work over the years we creed. The template -- template which is the right size and we put guidelines on here so what happens is I got the script and this is the way I usually get it. His -- Single lines. That I can and move and break the necessary it's like the artwork. -- I have I can just. Everything I -- had done function keys like that. I actions of the lawsuit for everything so like in this case about wanted to add some are working click I'm -- bunch of layers of different. Layers of Linux stuff and I can British hit shift F one. The last thing you know of all the books -- you know what I'm doing so -- can take going to. Keep the peace that this isn't in this case it's ultimate powers. And number six page to. And what it does for me the actual actually locked into the right. Spot so it's definitely I mean this is exactly the way and it'll appear. The colors will get indexing scanned and -- color. So then our artwork so I can write a letter on this it will follow exactly we put it the two together. Later and show you. How we do that but they also send me. -- saying earlier insistence. That. So in this case you're gonna capture Ferrer and top agencies -- the story. So what did so just go up. Should've just given these finals as a -- all the -- the the areas. Thousands are going to be and sort of I -- I know. And then -- got -- The Bruins have also created."

" The whole."

" Backlog of the -- that I use. Specialty items and but I can just -- issues and he's going to want help us -- came over Ingraham and in my second literally gets deposited reemerge burning there. Put on to learn at least in the scale it. What can he -- just click on detail later. She's a box."

" I expect that there. And it didn't. He's -- balloon makes clear gun."

" Which portion I want the white fraternity the white part first he's -- tool in this case the smaller room."

" Concealed. It's senator began to function here that a function that -- creates the bottom Harlem. Try -- the other layer."

" I've got myself. Channel I used to pen tool which is no sure thing."

" Itself. The other big thing that you want to do it."

" Thanks I've created a bunch of my time payment fonts including center of excellence. -- logo -- and in his own right usable only my exceptionally titles suck well -- bought phones and -- use those specifically. Adults and that's the heavy duty dinners people."

" to modify. It's I don't -- item Richie tells it in -- out there ready to do would be cool to see myself out there but a million people have ever done it for is some marvel at."

" License a few too."

" And then to there. Licensees and could they when you smile I'll let them use them."

" Getting the news when -- the marvel stamps should be using action this. On the moral stance when they come out they'll actually. Would that that canceled ones are going to have much fun down there just like how -- something cool and ultimately the product. So this case again I can just pick a better place and I got hundreds of our funds that created."

" So I well couldn't find."

" That I why do. CC content normally black point."

" Now -- illustrate can create outlines the sound effects noon mostly just sort of resizing an 88 that you'll just taking an interest thing."

" Look at visually. You do things that seal them up and down. -- Or even in certain cases. Squash them certain things -- 33."

" We'll do you know companies. -- and scale it. I want."

" What I can do is just color it."

" What I normally do is create a layer behind it like the balloons. Black."

" Sickness and I'm always open at the end because I'll I don't have composite in color expected the finals is -- color. And right how big -- in designers program is another Adobe product."

" creating artwork and the letters atop the incentives are looking up --"

" The sentencing does that really working with the purple background or whatever he can resolve change -- theatres we'll ask for it -- now."

" This is one -- and then."

" separated. Just to light as you just happen to be stacked on top of each other. -- and -- keys those files are fast track."

" Found now when that piece done I will pound -- artwork that I want to see this thing that'll I'll."

" You get and so have glittery stuff on here. Then -- accused if they don't do."

" You he designed just in case you got yourself. This time -- accident not of color art. And it got. -- layers -- they're -- separate -- he's really."

" He -- just taken off -- show you. What it does is literally it's just meeting took PDF but. Hybrids PDF this day and this is what the -- gets. This file my -- is selling mood just goes to. You know this is literally the files that they I canceled and they will be using it as long as -- the same size and letter to from the same size. It folds in perfectly that's what I can get in really tight. I was I think he used that we indeed -- so there's a lot of issues through you'd see. Who's not touching the borders and things were off or missing page just didn't do lineup so this is the one benefit the good -- you sort of get it themselves."

" That's a pretty much my game over and over and over it's -- understanding and history constantly distancing you know."

" The day I love that movie script is like crap I'm an old friend and -- go to WW dot and it plays back on time. I just knew we -- America -- you know why -- Free -- And questions."

" So it does the letter you do you have some of your own properties are entitles you done a hero comics titles and I remember -- knowing that you did so with the desperate times strips and -- very right so. So what did come about that had that --"

" That was system there is --"

" And -- them -- the conflict and it's an old the old time that we have other things besides the glass doors it was like a rogue certificate you have written a story they would have. Cartoons and nothing to do with the main story goes like goofy -- said. And you want to do this thing he knew this from our conversation every single day and so when they just listen -- two pages to everyone. But it's it's -- and so. You know I loaded it up on the smudges easily to me and my friend in from our college years in sort of just."

" Makes you laugh and just work with because every time it was always like a race to the finish line -- monthly at that point."

" And I'd be doing well is the -- wondering thirty bucks a month and then go right draw. To a couple pages and it was just killer but it built -- enough and then eventually said Don can I do bookings and yeah you looked completely. When the image founders of being pretty much can. Get it let's say is a deal so we did a few issues. -- buck mountain in there about six -- The one I know you and and so I can't get a break from that and then."

" I went back to it a little my own. Self published it for four issues. And and what that was so much work and you at the time I had kids and."

" And -- gonna go look I need to pay a need to pay for house and I need if these kids and I need to you know that the you know I was making a chicken maybe a couple hundred dollars on this but I wouldn't be artistic endeavor does become more yeah it will mean it was worth it it."

" For myself for my own well being is getting gusts I'm not doing stuff I get in excess of -- need -- But what's happened is in -- I'd diapers it you know and they're paid the bills and do it for awhile and then you know I had luckily enough. I was almost running at work that I got called in to marvel but -- Janice."

" talk about the computer letter he may be sitting at half staff up and."

" It's really cute stuff from manager just returned stuff what's the excuse me he actually signed for the epic."

" Line at the time was at one of the first books on -- before they met with a template there. But it said besides that I want to do create your own book your -- I want to do marvel property. And I want you do something else like Columbus mouse club just stick something finish and that's what you can do video news -- strippers and because he was trying to expand the marketplace like which is a lot a lot of publishers trying to you know and it. Inside the high pitched in the front Richards -- there and he's."

" For you know with this. Nobody is going to buy this thing because -- the market plane up. Nobody can do with it -- sort of gave it to."

" Hey is it not only do this. So a year or two later this Clinton thing kind of -- the desperate times hustled toward the return of the marvel age lot of books and so."

" I was in CB symbols he's office and we heard. Talking about it I said I'm sure this Franklin book would be perfect for is that what is it. And efficient on the spies and its its home loan needs Superior -- Franklin."

" Dispatcher always guy I mean how awful these parents that -- a -- baby -- kid you know how responsible -- negatives well it after getting killed somebody you know."

" Awful parents -- and -- will -- and dad had like a rocket."

" I'd be taken everything out for right -- a day. So. I was I was in pitching -- it seceded pitching -- just telling in the story. And in the middle that he's got the phone is dialing and I got -- in this this must really suck if you don't -- it looks like. And he was the biggest on the phone with you David Hebert who is the pot the and marketing guy from marble as I've got a new book true marvel -- line. And this is it and so we saw in the western to work wood Mackenzie king -- that we knew what it was it was sort of like a comic strip but."

" You know comic book format it wouldn't the other parents wouldn't really be there and -- at what he's talking about and so they're trying to pitch it to bookstores. And you know and they didn't know what it was of the price is just too. Almost like com."

" The Simpsons were comfortable on the Tracey Ullman Show -- shortly Italy. That's what you like let's just do backups and in the middle of this of -- power pack."

" And we did it."

" And we got a better reaction from the the from our -- in the -- stuff."

" But not so we did an answer we could show people this is what we can do and so the format was so good that they like the five issued a quick in and out and great effort you know seven year -- yields but."

" And you're a lot of adults like it as well -- buy some analysts as a good sir thank -- but it hasn't had a lot of our a lot of our audience have said -- an artist he's kind of -- you know only got a lot of them said I've given my kids right and and elements I was trying to make it look sort of like the incredible and that. You know in the adults in the and the kids like it and everybody seems to get something candidate I always throwing like gags. We're joked that may -- an it's an adult would get the can would not quite get it or sort of give that. The experience for everybody and that it was keeping. Locked into the kids there are things like -- I really -- try to make and just because it's. Everybody can read it's not so bad that. I just wish that you know it's it's -- stigma you know and I -- I always no stigma because we're like the in the media we discuss -- the bottom of the -- comic book world again and no problem with -- was. It's wonderful I don't care. But it's sort of like that when you just."

" Put into it it's a little place and nobody ever gives the tribe like I would love to see what -- people who read powers would think have been even though -- the same. They know it but it's but it's got that almost that."

" That post modern humor to -- that -- acknowledging that these are awful parents and -- and it didn't look in his world he lives in the the unity of absentee. You know Mike Reid and -- I'd take him at his. He's so busy in the -- doing thinking things -- best and he doesn't really pay attention when you know he doesn't. Franklin's mother played with like not incident just -- it. In -- and an and an X equals as a parent I do that without the mathematical equations. It working and they're like look at that you know."

" I'm playing with big sharpen it."

" Okay let me just finish this page. Which is what I guess and that's what he doesn't -- in the zoo you know -- I guess is -- better -- think -- sort of tries to be the mom. But it's sort of like. When your -- there and go and I didn't see the world from collective. I'm paid blindly lead you into doing what does get a terrible like a dog from from the -- you can have up to the -- for a little while like this you know we."

" What do you do the Q you live in the Baxter building which is always under attack from the guys -- didn't like that when you remove your kids living in Oregon based analyst at a private school of."

" I don't get it so it's it's it's it's just the funniest thing that they but I guess you know the way the comics -- women and sixties and early they really the second crisis is now like. Acting is like the second class citizen but you know these these imports of goods like new power -- the parents are so oblivious that the contempt -- click. Would that flooding editor of the rainbow. Unit where they are what do you syndicates the -- and they go to bed and they'll go their kids are -- bit but like."

" That includes commercials with did you 10 PM minority kids are completely that they should do a series of on the."

" Yes the legitimate SF with it with it they take these kids away. They should like duke and parents political and social servers have got outlook."

" Doing. It blind woman -- in your off like blown up half the building there but that's not good yeah. What is it like that what a great."

" Disagree on something and and then is it nice that guy just came out obviously on -- scan every I didn't I think February. We've got it. -- The newest one which is. Is the world -- just look like world war all the Franklin's that we sort of didn't -- to -- different. Cross over from them about does appear -- and yes I'm gonna do that investment in vigilantism but. Which is a work friend to go Minnesota but more and they said that won't keep doing it we'll we'll do so well you know of the book. I actually love illiterate in -- Letterman started the -- itself and we really appreciate him time to talk to us that we thank you very much and they don't do it well."

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" And the -- part of my family and we're here because we also have. -- you give us an -- Don't look bad -- get on the should have some -- yeah."

" Here in the suburbs and Jersey with -- so helpless they don't -- thanks for loudness and a year the privacy of your home to talk today. Yes I had a choice. Set up shop right there and so on the source and here by the pool and a wonderful apple martini but we should you drink and we can we just think its -- and thank you thank you so. But these days and -- disown him -- cut it anymore. That right so I'm one of the things that that we're very curious about is how you got into the business a -- I -- closure entry into the into the he -- long story meanwhile -- points. I wasn't I was it's graphic design Fashion Institute of Technology AM to deny course switching Colin. And famous you know -- digital imaging. And the tickets on a field trip. Two of -- one day and it was the data center and an internship through my next year. So I just dumb when it and every other place I'd gone to advertising places they always suits ties and so it tomorrow. And there's there was it was funny -- boyfriend -- but he's walking through with flip flops ripped sweats and a -- T shirt. -- But so I expect. Got to do this inside applied for an internship and there are fascinated that I know anything about comic books inside an internship -- work for an editor part time network and production."

" And by the time."

" And I graduated in that are hired me I was there two years total and wanting more money annually would be that was in the -- departments is actually paying somebody left and I just."

" The guy recommended I mean this you know help me out to me the job until February within."

" A year of that job eyes are getting a freelance work and it does make more money at night. It was during the day so it's like I gotta I gotta just make a choice and -- for some companies have a whole department dedicated to lettering and in loses -- true and and not anymore the data into production but everything -- yet it's it would there was when everything was done by hand he would have to make corrections in house like you -- just male pages. Forthwith and with the -- guys. So I learned how to handler and me and mimic all the other what are you guys -- and so that's the -- and -- now with the computer lettering."

" You don't need because you just -- email back and see here the changes fix it you've already got fonts and you don't need it in Austin to fix anything so."

" that's one thing now that we're curious about I was like how the process is now on how it's changed from back man."

" Viewed with with the advent of the digital agency for it's it's a lot different and in the process it's certainly different in the art."

" A bit but come the way we go about doing things is a lot different."

" And that is in the time we Easton I'd I'd sit in house and you know there was the same -- when."

" What -- Would you Smith who's doing that Wolverine -- what an excellent next government and Hamas presents -- and you know that was was lettering it. And what happened was he was really particular and would rewrite even after the book was -- I -- I can go through this book and I can see all the changes that I mean he just rewrite some other dude nowadays it's so easy that and it just does that consist."

" Fix it. And you know you've -- type you change it but at the time then you just basically had to."

" Mimic what they were doing so -- so when you started you would actually get the page that the drawn pay for joining paid the most but we'll know what's in my in the field is what they would do all this is all these are confident. Of a bomb. What the deal is. It was it was -- to lose weight they give you they'll overly he would letter in the new picks up later I would get. The little -- boards like you get the penciled pages I would think it letter and then limited mail directly to double the income. And then he would take it. Who does the word balloons themselves what does the artist of the word balloon or do you do to -- now and and Angelina you know I'm with the way it usually runs is. And you'll get a script. You get to. Placements the most important normally I don't use them anymore I pretty much I've been doing this alone I don't I don't need anybody to me where the stuff I can help tell the story -- and another way to do it on. -- crater itself so you don't know I mean even him yesterday and grew bigger as a drop and in. Retirees what you -- as you know you do you do this is I'm gonna try what you did at least to know what to do without being told what to do. But it is an ad was only one day. That he liked the fact that I knew it was doing so I don't know legal places but they'll give us placements basically the boot that just as your copy of saying here's where everything should go. I do it I had a book and letter I believe everything is me on the process the sound effects everything is mean nobody really says and then he would -- obviously come -- exchange here for six and this looks tolerable and sucking in getting paid in August 5 at. So on the -- and hand -- days -- did you have really good handwriting to start with. I was all if you talk to him on ice the -- out of."

" We have penmanship classes in school ice with."

" It notes home all the time you sort in his handwriting but it's a it's a totally different beast is you're working with different tools it's also. It's almost -- when drawing when your handlers -- I'm designing type. Let's go to that faces yet it was include easier it's totally different stuff from -- if I scribbling -- Totally different if she really taken to you don't like brightness your kids to do the laundry -- like an unflattering kiss and I mean it's like it's been that we can read my hand it's awful it's the funniest thing I have like the worst handwriting and yet -- did -- If I mean that the and bitter pill. So then so then taking that forward to the digital age. So. Because I guess when your hand lettering you. I guess you have an idea you can measure of the space but with a computer can be so much easier to manage their own land at a time because you know it -- is permanent so you know and -- You know yeah you got a balloon that's in the upper right corner and your writing an award and boom you run out of space you need to sort of we make sure that you know and after buying a good as you can sort of."

" Make it work but now it's great need that doesn't fit right let's Bush's axis and how does that interplay between you in the script and the editorial staff and the writer I mean if you get -- if you get it like. -- her from Brubaker who who is this particular worry. And can you look -- on a second on the page or gotten them or did they think about veteran -- you know most of us are pretty good and had the biggest one usually is and this is just facetious over boasting he was once a lot of balloons and stuffed the loan that is just. And giggling and and making you know that's -- that -- to is that he thinks -- play with it and make it work. And and they can even come back afterwards. You know but sometimes ago put balloons going down in the -- and -- don't want across the top and and can we do it but. I'm in it doesn't make that easier now that you don't have to stress so much that it's permanent and you can't be movement on eight undated the undo button is this. This controlling -- optional and you know whatever your Mac term as Mac -- bodies he got there. And -- and every situation where you're actually editing the but the words and in unity and in his is kind of like the script the song title -- they say don't action at all you know this you know. Obviously eagle -- change that but sometimes you like I don't know all know that it's -- like you know it was a supposing this. That there is and the gates and -- of the older and -- dungeon you just I get -- like no. -- running joke in the industry. In marble and the war the word is all right it's not all right one word it's two words it's so I would get in the script."

" Assessing the same you know causing any trouble later on -- just change it to word is no I'm gonna get it from proof reading incident may -- changes."

" So I've learned this -- mean obviously would change dialogue in the clutter but now -- if plus every it's a look at it now so you know like. In the case of a daredevil and ghost and to look at I mean he gets and all the writers and the colors for the most part. Get to look at and say I would here's like here's what I like I'm -- and I'm from prime you know you get notes directly from them as well as editorial. So everybody's in the presently -- can tell you know and what they want and and and tell me what they need so you know its its missile. Trouble ball having you see some of these writers to do all the time and you know it's because we did that when time remember. What my guys and and I fixed it achieves its all right I think at this time. And it was and -- script and he got really at a -- like what is -- about -- they always going to change this is what did I just don't want the extra work -- specifically -- had to change and again over and over again this hot -- Is there is there a lot of kind of silo pride amongst the writers and -- letters that -- the -- would what is -- about -- that it wanted to listen to what is about writers they got to be -- for grossly he has often. Or is it really not -- know you -- competition -- and -- I'm I'm -- the humble guy because I know I'm just. You know like on the key grip on the got a hold -- the -- it you know at the time that I. You know they're telling the story and the moment I'm wondering if I'm just tell the story I'm not really trying to be the star and I don't I try to stands I don't. Heavenly convention and I love writers who decide to have like five sound pages I -- mentally because I get paid for their. It's a sweet that's not a statement and it's the dvd on Netflix. -- So in in terms of that the actual time to do the work -- so when you when you get scripting of the art. -- how long does it take until you're done with your peace and or how wonders if you two letter. Com process it's funny it's it's come full circle and when I first was wondering. A couple of SP could -- yeah it just it becomes wrote that it's a process."

" Don't don't don't don't and so I got to a point where I was hand lettering which is insane to me to think about this that at one point rose to about thirty bucks a month so I think obviously. Well good dad was doing by hand -- and -- and -- time with the speculative market opening --"

" So -- Republican you know it was toilet paper it was just what they need people that need warmed by the letter and I was -- everything and as opposed to public image he didn't. And it was doing everything."

" And it looks in the letter -- to -- Foreign Minister -- my wife what happened was I has I was going moving did you there was a point was I was a crossover where -- was you have digital half."

" By hand. And it's."

" Extra slowdown and -- to really slowed down and the last book that I finally had. Is doing by hand with savage dragon which I don't hundreds of -- bus."

" At the point I was getting the book used to from the forty's the letter. And normally can do almost a book a day and I -- I could do it took -- to do and yet now can -- a book about four hours."

" in digital form. And -- by admitting that yes -- can do it anyway and can do digitally but I can do but and it just killing you can do. -- says that what he served himself well he got John working to do for awhile. And but. It was sort of networking -- that he wanted to things done overnight John was doing other work he couldn't just do it. So he he admittedly the letter individually for a couple issues I was actually contemplating going back and hand lettering. So much work going on. And so -- but it did was I who but it -- a computer for a couple issues."

" And then -- secure and want to do by hand and then he went back in data but I remember that list AI finished that last page and I called Kennedy."

" Lopez and and gave the call so this is it I just finished my last book. And it was sort of like a sad moment and a few drinks and how this really saw the long run -- it's infants and about -- might run it was going from."

" And the -- the twice I mean whenever the comic book store and it was done my hand and now that was it."

" Did you not do any hand lettering and on and more I do my host my own web strip we're gonna do it by hand and thumb but I haven't been."

" Doing it regular I was actually for the -- that some pains recently us thinking about it and it was fun to just sit and play with that was so he's going to go right back into it I don't think they can -- the day but his illness."

" funded through again so they admit it. Then I missed that. Good that you just turned on the music and you go into ten pages in the day year I have in. Your mind is gone I can put the TV on Alec and Billy can't for the most by working there. So if you look back -- your careers Erica is -- one issue or one series you like Leonard should and a commitment is there one you're really proud owner I think who I'm really proud of savage dragon just because they're made -- so inclusive in the process like everything was. You know in the beginning with -- are working together. He would. I I -- would you send text on super G and fax to him. And say do proof. Because he had a -- of -- he was only a very particular immediately came from the wolf Simon since the war with with John workman and and and what would work with John on the same sort of like his line."

" I want this I want that -- he's very inclusive and and so would as a very big collaborative. Process it would more than any other books that don't like you know."

" X and you get a script and it's like I never see these guys and never talked and -- and -- not yet in the more on the movie -- together. Could it mean Eric Wheeler on the phone with my wife and his wife would make fun of us who like the girlfriend to on the phone all it'll acquired or built she was on the west coast -- Our phone bills were killing us like the political community is of the all inclusive you know -- time and -- Skype firmware via email and we were literally. On the phone for -- I didn't letter in the book on the phone with him as she still is surely and the hub and the text. Thinks it happens you drink too much kids don't do it but an -- Eric would like and we're such good friends and ended and that's the sad part about. And in the book was an -- Constitution and we're always talking to -- ocean and the book and we're it was going to go. And now it's more hidden on his own and I don't really have that he does it with other people but I don't have a process of that's depressing to listen I mean that. -- There's -- there's. The guy that nobody really knows and his daughter secrecy is working at Mormon he worked in the marble and is in it was -- He did most of the cover copies sold through the 60s70s and it -- with --"

" Com and he did such great where demolished on staff there -- to -- compilation and just. It sounds all the some Xerox and critical Bible of cover copy that these. Significantly going to know you know that have done this and they are zooms in and there's some guys or working at the time -- even in the -- that."

" Nobody really knows -- but nobody knows these people can be generous gesture and people though who. You know or. Sam Rosen or Joe Rosen or. You know I mean these guys you know fill Felix like people go who you -- back -- and where is. We talk every -- why I think he's like we're -- now -- You know but but it's I think -- interesting because -- and then there's been -- are things that were given and use of about who really -- who really evolved with the with the with the process of lettering and turned it into this kind of an issue where you're doing for the -- them on the European you know working with a -- isn't bad I mean. I don't we've evolved as you know it was just I was trying to survive -- I mean like I mean I saw where it was going you know Richard -- the -- Gotta do the ball rolling and I saw what was going to people were like hey this makes life easier I can make changes that that's the big change in the vigil there. Is we're making changes off until."

" Yeah in the final moment like I mean on this past Friday."

" We were literally pushing to get their double out and that and I I was littering the book up until Friday at 2 o'clock and at what issue will that mean that that was this is named the eight K so -- the few weeks via social. It's yours yet apparently out bottom."

" So that closely. If that's that that's the other thing is it also it affords but also people tend to take advantage to forge you. A lot more time to push the envelope is how you can what this thing go you know I mean it used to be."

" Minimum union about a month. Before if the -- came out to get it to the printer as it was mailings email I think that would open an ftp and you've got in it and -- deputy and three seconds and did you get you get every page of the book or do you sometimes get a couple pages at a time terrorism -- so it depends on most of the time is piecemeal to casino like I said this week -- We were just the artists who were the it was getting penciled. Inked in -- and I was wondering as you're going like I get like five games on Monday six pages on Tuesday three more on Wednesday you know and it was -- But that's the joy that enjoyed it -- for -- can close it doesn't afford to everybody is sort of action ability to have the time they need to really get. The way he wanted before it goes I'm. So you know it's an -- if you make me want to -- air and cable production dish you know there there. On Friday night until like 8 o'clock trying to get these books -- watch and then you feel bad but it it gives you an opportunity to re going to mean. I know there's a couple writers I consider the littering. Like I'll I'll composite the book together with the with the the art and send it off and they but the right look at the lateral consider for -- Until they go okay I want to come back and leaving it on balloons that -- dialogue to come. -- together to figure out what I want there. So it really -- it gives them the creativity that affords them."

" This luxury so it's good and it sucks for me at times but."

" You know is good in the final product and we get what they want and you don't. Mean at least to get those moments when you put --"

" Only."

" You know that was slightly done differently or in other now. Mistakes were made you do admit that I spoke a lot of -- morning quarterbacking on the our way back to Thursday morning quarterbacking look at that and usually you never see an error or or or problem until the books he's -- that you everybody look at the book and it'll go through go through go through. And I mean it's funny when in civil war is that we look through the first issue that was mean this is minor but something was ignition marble it was as the the period was missing."

" Everybody missed it the day it came out we -- this -- something."

" The -- somebody on the Internet icon it is it's like it's Easter eggs and just at the that since the film errors and it'll let them again like being in -- and -- made sure it was this way before it if that's okay. But the only real noticeable clubs that that memorable hours ago we screwed of that under god. It's got the point where you can catch even the printer this stuff this you didn't look so that was good but actually in days or so we proof. Rupert into the kind of proof reading staff they've got every editor the book goes to a separate editor to to read a read the -- who doesn't think it involved in the process."

" And they'll sign off what they they find."

" So -- they're -- into that a couple of noticeable. Errors in the past we've done that were caught and you know. It will bring you that. The and remember that when it was good but it was like because the original founders of our allies and that came it came through but."

" For."

" And we."

" At this point to so many people under such scrutiny. It's really hard to really get something obliquely through that -- imagine going to be a lot tighter marvel put you know we're just all aluminum -- morning to somebody is an image and done some dark -- stuff I used to do DC but they know they've got -- and staff so when it has attracted more penalty when -- was they were really an accomplished in -- strips. So now you know several years later like after -- page of the do you find yourself."

" Getting into the story -- Hillary just kind of just rolled through what are your -- I always like to read through the book as a do it just because it helps. If it helps -- the story better like if I know like and sometimes in -- meaning in this like. -- put actionable -- that this -- and you sort of like there's no Christian it to you just make it all be screaming in each other and just. And like you sort of get -- and make sure with a."

" Peak of that story isn't and in May -- work up to a sometimes but I don't want to know what's going on because it'll help."

" Told the story and you know lead the -- through the page so I'm always and I'm always trying to make sure that I read. We need to -- someone involved for the failure you know you're collecting comics now I'm innocent still -- I would cut the books and again I literally I I. I don't sort of look at them to it to check you know quality control -- the annual trip comment that didn't tree right or there's -- there. But I -- and just taken my father and give it to me dead pigs and boards and a bottle and I -- think it's something to desert -- so he could ever getting free stuff he believes those anniversary BC wants the -- the boards in the boxes. He says little you know listening. Can buy today -- a computer program. They wanted in in inside its its a joke and it's like. You can thank me one day when you console this stuff -- and -- great -- great reward of conflict area -- like dream -- only -- to look at the numbers you you know whatever it says in the book you're lucky you get half and then there's the people who loves to collect its and I'll have more coming within an active development material and isn't -- at -- considering comic books -- it's like mega deal -- my father's house in the -- in his basement and I think that they -- he blows everybody in the shielding. This -- room it's just wall to wall -- with a long boxes and he's got alphabetizing my company and -- I'll say you know he's it's scary. I don't know what happened you see that's he's free Tibet."

" I'm not up."

" Home yeah he's dead -- all his -- all parties that. But you know what watch news interview me if you want to try my hand letter carefully notes and things. Yeah."

" Yeah it still is and work. Oh well I'd better get back to the interview."

" And we'll normally they'll give me a word document for the script. Yeltsin he scans which have tips and and we meet and work over the years we creed. The template -- template which is the right size and we put guidelines on here so what happens is I got the script and this is the way I usually get it. His -- Single lines. That I can and move and break the necessary it's like the artwork. -- I have I can just. Everything I -- had done function keys like that. I actions of the lawsuit for everything so like in this case about wanted to add some are working click I'm -- bunch of layers of different. Layers of Linux stuff and I can British hit shift F one. The last thing you know of all the books -- you know what I'm doing so -- can take going to. Keep the peace that this isn't in this case it's ultimate powers. And number six page to. And what it does for me the actual actually locked into the right. Spot so it's definitely I mean this is exactly the way and it'll appear. The colors will get indexing scanned and -- color. So then our artwork so I can write a letter on this it will follow exactly we put it the two together. Later and show you. How we do that but they also send me. -- saying earlier insistence. That. So in this case you're gonna capture Ferrer and top agencies -- the story. So what did so just go up. Should've just given these finals as a -- all the -- the the areas. Thousands are going to be and sort of I -- I know. And then -- got -- The Bruins have also created."

" The whole."

" Backlog of the -- that I use. Specialty items and but I can just -- issues and he's going to want help us -- came over Ingraham and in my second literally gets deposited reemerge burning there. Put on to learn at least in the scale it. What can he -- just click on detail later. She's a box."

" I expect that there. And it didn't. He's -- balloon makes clear gun."

" Which portion I want the white fraternity the white part first he's -- tool in this case the smaller room."

" Concealed. It's senator began to function here that a function that -- creates the bottom Harlem. Try -- the other layer."

" I've got myself. Channel I used to pen tool which is no sure thing."

" Itself. The other big thing that you want to do it."

" Thanks I've created a bunch of my time payment fonts including center of excellence. -- logo -- and in his own right usable only my exceptionally titles suck well -- bought phones and -- use those specifically. Adults and that's the heavy duty dinners people."

" to modify. It's I don't -- item Richie tells it in -- out there ready to do would be cool to see myself out there but a million people have ever done it for is some marvel at."

" License a few too."

" And then to there. Licensees and could they when you smile I'll let them use them."

" Getting the news when -- the marvel stamps should be using action this. On the moral stance when they come out they'll actually. Would that that canceled ones are going to have much fun down there just like how -- something cool and ultimately the product. So this case again I can just pick a better place and I got hundreds of our funds that created."

" So I well couldn't find."

" That I why do. CC content normally black point."

" Now -- illustrate can create outlines the sound effects noon mostly just sort of resizing an 88 that you'll just taking an interest thing."

" Look at visually. You do things that seal them up and down. -- Or even in certain cases. Squash them certain things -- 33."

" We'll do you know companies. -- and scale it. I want."

" What I can do is just color it."

" What I normally do is create a layer behind it like the balloons. Black."

" Sickness and I'm always open at the end because I'll I don't have composite in color expected the finals is -- color. And right how big -- in designers program is another Adobe product."

" creating artwork and the letters atop the incentives are looking up --"

" The sentencing does that really working with the purple background or whatever he can resolve change -- theatres we'll ask for it -- now."

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" separated. Just to light as you just happen to be stacked on top of each other. -- and -- keys those files are fast track."

" Found now when that piece done I will pound -- artwork that I want to see this thing that'll I'll."

" You get and so have glittery stuff on here. Then -- accused if they don't do."

" You he designed just in case you got yourself. This time -- accident not of color art. And it got. -- layers -- they're -- separate -- he's really."

" He -- just taken off -- show you. What it does is literally it's just meeting took PDF but. Hybrids PDF this day and this is what the -- gets. This file my -- is selling mood just goes to. You know this is literally the files that they I canceled and they will be using it as long as -- the same size and letter to from the same size. It folds in perfectly that's what I can get in really tight. I was I think he used that we indeed -- so there's a lot of issues through you'd see. Who's not touching the borders and things were off or missing page just didn't do lineup so this is the one benefit the good -- you sort of get it themselves."

" That's a pretty much my game over and over and over it's -- understanding and history constantly distancing you know."

" The day I love that movie script is like crap I'm an old friend and -- go to WW dot and it plays back on time. I just knew we -- America -- you know why -- Free -- And questions."

" So it does the letter you do you have some of your own properties are entitles you done a hero comics titles and I remember -- knowing that you did so with the desperate times strips and -- very right so. So what did come about that had that --"

" That was system there is --"

" And -- them -- the conflict and it's an old the old time that we have other things besides the glass doors it was like a rogue certificate you have written a story they would have. Cartoons and nothing to do with the main story goes like goofy -- said. And you want to do this thing he knew this from our conversation every single day and so when they just listen -- two pages to everyone. But it's it's -- and so. You know I loaded it up on the smudges easily to me and my friend in from our college years in sort of just."

" Makes you laugh and just work with because every time it was always like a race to the finish line -- monthly at that point."

" And I'd be doing well is the -- wondering thirty bucks a month and then go right draw. To a couple pages and it was just killer but it built -- enough and then eventually said Don can I do bookings and yeah you looked completely. When the image founders of being pretty much can. Get it let's say is a deal so we did a few issues. -- buck mountain in there about six -- The one I know you and and so I can't get a break from that and then."

" I went back to it a little my own. Self published it for four issues. And and what that was so much work and you at the time I had kids and."

" And -- gonna go look I need to pay a need to pay for house and I need if these kids and I need to you know that the you know I was making a chicken maybe a couple hundred dollars on this but I wouldn't be artistic endeavor does become more yeah it will mean it was worth it it."

" For myself for my own well being is getting gusts I'm not doing stuff I get in excess of -- need -- But what's happened is in -- I'd diapers it you know and they're paid the bills and do it for awhile and then you know I had luckily enough. I was almost running at work that I got called in to marvel but -- Janice."

" talk about the computer letter he may be sitting at half staff up and."

" It's really cute stuff from manager just returned stuff what's the excuse me he actually signed for the epic."

" Line at the time was at one of the first books on -- before they met with a template there. But it said besides that I want to do create your own book your -- I want to do marvel property. And I want you do something else like Columbus mouse club just stick something finish and that's what you can do video news -- strippers and because he was trying to expand the marketplace like which is a lot a lot of publishers trying to you know and it. Inside the high pitched in the front Richards -- there and he's."

" For you know with this. Nobody is going to buy this thing because -- the market plane up. Nobody can do with it -- sort of gave it to."

" Hey is it not only do this. So a year or two later this Clinton thing kind of -- the desperate times hustled toward the return of the marvel age lot of books and so."

" I was in CB symbols he's office and we heard. Talking about it I said I'm sure this Franklin book would be perfect for is that what is it. And efficient on the spies and its its home loan needs Superior -- Franklin."

" Dispatcher always guy I mean how awful these parents that -- a -- baby -- kid you know how responsible -- negatives well it after getting killed somebody you know."

" Awful parents -- and -- will -- and dad had like a rocket."

" I'd be taken everything out for right -- a day. So. I was I was in pitching -- it seceded pitching -- just telling in the story. And in the middle that he's got the phone is dialing and I got -- in this this must really suck if you don't -- it looks like. And he was the biggest on the phone with you David Hebert who is the pot the and marketing guy from marble as I've got a new book true marvel -- line. And this is it and so we saw in the western to work wood Mackenzie king -- that we knew what it was it was sort of like a comic strip but."

" You know comic book format it wouldn't the other parents wouldn't really be there and -- at what he's talking about and so they're trying to pitch it to bookstores. And you know and they didn't know what it was of the price is just too. Almost like com."

" The Simpsons were comfortable on the Tracey Ullman Show -- shortly Italy. That's what you like let's just do backups and in the middle of this of -- power pack."

" And we did it."

" And we got a better reaction from the the from our -- in the -- stuff."

" But not so we did an answer we could show people this is what we can do and so the format was so good that they like the five issued a quick in and out and great effort you know seven year -- yields but."

" And you're a lot of adults like it as well -- buy some analysts as a good sir thank -- but it hasn't had a lot of our a lot of our audience have said -- an artist he's kind of -- you know only got a lot of them said I've given my kids right and and elements I was trying to make it look sort of like the incredible and that. You know in the adults in the and the kids like it and everybody seems to get something candidate I always throwing like gags. We're joked that may -- an it's an adult would get the can would not quite get it or sort of give that. The experience for everybody and that it was keeping. Locked into the kids there are things like -- I really -- try to make and just because it's. Everybody can read it's not so bad that. I just wish that you know it's it's -- stigma you know and I -- I always no stigma because we're like the in the media we discuss -- the bottom of the -- comic book world again and no problem with -- was. It's wonderful I don't care. But it's sort of like that when you just."

" Put into it it's a little place and nobody ever gives the tribe like I would love to see what -- people who read powers would think have been even though -- the same. They know it but it's but it's got that almost that."

" That post modern humor to -- that -- acknowledging that these are awful parents and -- and it didn't look in his world he lives in the the unity of absentee. You know Mike Reid and -- I'd take him at his. He's so busy in the -- doing thinking things -- best and he doesn't really pay attention when you know he doesn't. Franklin's mother played with like not incident just -- it. In -- and an and an X equals as a parent I do that without the mathematical equations. It working and they're like look at that you know."

" I'm playing with big sharpen it."

" Okay let me just finish this page. Which is what I guess and that's what he doesn't -- in the zoo you know -- I guess is -- better -- think -- sort of tries to be the mom. But it's sort of like. When your -- there and go and I didn't see the world from collective. I'm paid blindly lead you into doing what does get a terrible like a dog from from the -- you can have up to the -- for a little while like this you know we."

" What do you do the Q you live in the Baxter building which is always under attack from the guys -- didn't like that when you remove your kids living in Oregon based analyst at a private school of."

" I don't get it so it's it's it's it's just the funniest thing that they but I guess you know the way the comics -- women and sixties and early they really the second crisis is now like. Acting is like the second class citizen but you know these these imports of goods like new power -- the parents are so oblivious that the contempt -- click. Would that flooding editor of the rainbow. Unit where they are what do you syndicates the -- and they go to bed and they'll go their kids are -- bit but like."

" That includes commercials with did you 10 PM minority kids are completely that they should do a series of on the."

" Yes the legitimate SF with it with it they take these kids away. They should like duke and parents political and social servers have got outlook."

" Doing. It blind woman -- in your off like blown up half the building there but that's not good yeah. What is it like that what a great."

" Disagree on something and and then is it nice that guy just came out obviously on -- scan every I didn't I think February. We've got it. -- The newest one which is. Is the world -- just look like world war all the Franklin's that we sort of didn't -- to -- different. Cross over from them about does appear -- and yes I'm gonna do that investment in vigilantism but. Which is a work friend to go Minnesota but more and they said that won't keep doing it we'll we'll do so well you know of the book. I actually love illiterate in -- Letterman started the -- itself and we really appreciate him time to talk to us that we thank you very much and they don't do it well."

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