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" This that I Campbell is brought to you by godaddy. And the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration -- need to buckle up. IFanboy the comic book discussion show from the website and went -- come on Ron Richards and I'm here with our -- it. And I'm comic Kilpatrick and they were talking about crime."

" This. Nothing has proven path alleged. Hit his fifth that I was exonerated you can't be tried the same time that was in jeopardy and indictment not a conviction right now on this because you're that it had you know. Anyway so crime has been any a."

" Genre Comex that has kind of risen back to the prominence recently."

" We'll talk crime comics today and then superhero -- dominate the market obviously these basic com books -- do I know it's really shocking that they do. And there was always the case in nineteen in the nearly part of the century comes restarted it was all part of the for Trotter was -- was -- stories it was all kinds of democratic majority think of they're -- com. The first recorded crime comic -- was magic forward to call crime does not pay. Who's that that was the lesson for the kid loves this thing is loses pointed direction was. And actually before that asserted that the Dick Tracy cartoon and it -- it strips of paper newspapers but it was a comic book. So that's reported to and then they -- promise and after World War II. Actually -- sales tanked and now that rose all the all the genres really kicked into high gear -- two car crime books or books specifically. Big publishers -- but it could just flooded the market with crime and horror books. And out class of about six years and -- to 48 best and worst of sort of stuff doctor Frederick where a bomb bomb. -- He published two articles 48 -- how bad cops are for kids and enacted in 1950s -- 644. Was when it was when it's seduction of the innocent came out. What's led to hearings in congress and that's -- congress about comic books and it juvenile delinquency of a middle published them testify. And immediately after the -- either cancel their product or products or -- just gonna damage when it."

" Our lives are legislated with a comic -- good to relate it was worth doing."

" In Boston just didn't even try to fight it it -- forget it cancel all the books and it basically in the fifties comics cut -- all private car -- disappeared now. And that led to the so average superheroes it's -- in prominent that's where we're at now. In the sixties some big experiment with some crime at a policy books. So they tried they try to but he didn't really -- into it."

" Was it isn't because a lot of that was on the -- NBC morning DC so the moral side -- was fighting crime -- his crimes by but it definitely Prado ran oh era it was light it went in -- it was you know he saw the burglary but --"

" All comic books it's sort of crime -- yeah also groups or Kron looks like we're talking about things that don't involve superheroes. Ready for the most part there have disks. It cops but that's -- dot net humanity by. Attachment aliens but so that."

" In the sixties if they sort of try to few and then. In the 70s80s -- a couple here and there but nothing really is protected but in the in the late ninety's you got guys coming up in the in the in the industry. Was overly -- bent to it and that really route that's it and the rise of crime books began again and you have a lot of prominent books until the point now where. It's it's it's as a thriving genre of of comics now so we're talk about. Some of the books we like some of the what the cabinet that night it appeared to -- renaissance -- now."

" I a lot of stuff all the great books and coming currently is an issue on stands yet didn't get. It's also. One of the big guys responsible basic -- the crime renaissance was private about this you that you're there from the beginning and I wasn't the but it and what that I was that we. -- And what I discovered was this black and white. It's kind of photo pool four reference how to solve our about. That was had the -- was totally -- yeah."

" And marks the largest dark. Stores -- there's nobody that's really good yeah. At that this was a guy who whom he came up and -- me now is -- controls marveled but he had jinx to a head on goldfish. -- torso fire and Martin Biron was biased or it was my -- yeah. But in this this -- one of them. This is these books -- a lot of reasons why crime books sort of couldn't care about because there's a rootkit but it popular and mrs. This is like us what's the third printing of the system that there's a ten printings of."

" There's this old cover it and -- change solutions on equipment months. Yet know what it had that norm kind of north country and they're dark shadows usually aren't as well and now if you redundancy he writes now -- these so weird to look at these. And think -- this is the biggest name in in sort of you know one of these things and superhero comics now because they're so. Raw -- it's very Indians and wrong and he's like it's a guy who's clearly wants to make comment is that crap so they can see everything there. You know but its its interest into the site re easy word balloons or yet I think this could do it. Yet crazy -- other -- out -- guess what that's right but but I think. It's the most finishing about is that. Just you know for a long time -- have almost not over this. I still think about this is a crime and I because the -- this was the first irony is both first and that -- powers which just sort of a -- to Obama yeah. But with superiors and it and then I went back and read this stuff. To release the -- which writes we start slowing avengers and things like that. But I'm still elect is a crime guidance connect people forget that and so. It and it is telling me this is my favorite stuff that he's ever yes -- yes you know I want to go back to this stuff --"

" Jessica max re reading it after years and it really -- Aventis spokesman at -- envelope. Don't totally but it's like you -- you missed the raw passion that's in these pages."

" That I've done jinx is that female character's name she's the idea that she's bounty hunter and a bomb. Of course and tails -- down criminals and things like that. And then called -- such as a criminal as the com is all right I'll call his -- after he's references there in the same universe okay."

" Call this is the character it rejects it then it got our story in his bought them. Yeah that's lots works for you. Okay even even then he was doing this year and respect like businesses Google bit this world but this is -- was -- altitudes and get him. And out -- did this if you like crime and or badness and it -- that these these are some at all yeah. I mean it's rough it's hot top polished it's it's him doing it you know on his own he did this whole."

" And look at the picture a little Ryan my good -- good. That's -- print image comics published this comedy get him and inflections. -- versions now this. Now to have losses to back matter and so what that meant and this is really what kind of where his love like you when you hear talk onward movement in the -- he talks like with love about these books is the ones that -- is in and I think he wants to go back to them and its impact. And is mostly injuries yet."

" And she had to do it takes all its own yeah sleeve this thick book he did not expect. -- Rock Greg rock that was another big name peace yes it wideout for only and that's -- that's the crime of murder then Antarctica. A lot of big big games now and actually what Brubaker -- scene of the crime -- lot of big games products to start off doing his crime normal -- in -- Do the crime is is an early. Work with him and Michael Larkin chuck Phillips still thinking Michael."

" And you might recognize those and Shaun Phillips -- and criminal department would within economical art student level and that's that's clearly has an Bloomberg. -- favorites -- my favorite prime books into talking and other offices in these guys have lambasted him and I can do at this time liberal cocaine and congress Tuesday British British comic creator. And -- it's it's it's a basis crime book hall's top and little wacky British and lacking discipline. Definitely you know fonts type two this -- Lawson and kind of the insanity of the city loses and that's the thing to a mafia crime books from."

" Then you take all the stuff from early part of the late part that is what part of thousands -- because -- record -- national -- that I go to. DC -- got central. Which was like not directly but that."

" This sort of looks like porn for you yes well this is suing his love this book I yes yeah. This pure crime criticism that is DC -- city and a reason that he got gets put on. On a larger stage is that it takes up Gotham city so bad. Is there but he's not really. Is that -- does not need character it's a crime book in the confines of the DC universe so its only super her book and sort of the loses sent some of the villains and they show up is a really good -- are I was. It's relaxed. Powers is more -- presence -- more peninsula yet. A lot of credit straight murdered body. Knows about detectives and cops and and it really was. Used one of those votes for the issues I think and like everyone -- Between them and special is that it's about the documents you -- crime unit. So that it toy yeah Christmas. Do the Mac and just Mac and bettered her best with -- For the moment that these trees there was a bit. At the end we're like it. Went. What was Christmas like it became. Let's hear it goes on to be one of the sort of bigger cosmic urges restraint that tied in into the statue and Christian right which was. Mistake because it."

" Clothes off about it and but you have pointed this is the common this was that natural progression. It's got to an indie stuff the stuff for some stuff so publish work. But -- added that -- can tell that's a lot of because they go to the DC universe rock and bigger ready Batman books and defective products right bat bat. What they want to do this crime but the enemy in the Bristol to a crime books and Russia still doing a -- going to crumble coming outs later they still love this stuff."

" I still plan of these characters -- every chance to me you know remaining until it is the question now. And she you know she's one of -- she's the guys you know she's the care and he's always writings -- there. -- thing this was that that the time. I mean obviously sales were not stellar for the book would have been canceled all but since then has been that. So. Yeah it's like it's growing legend ones who have gone back and read it like to teach us talk about reference and then then this and we pretty and his omnibus editions this is the most -- of the week pick. I believe the is sort of in history like when we that we could not pick that book over and over. It's just great stuff and it's funny because it first like it was like a couple of trades and they were kind of crappy unit learned they were running complete weren't order. And now they're going back the other way and doing them sort of nice hard covered. Up -- that's right it's the first issues and that's working that. A market is built for them since these guys that big names and people and these characters -- better known and that what Michael. This -- is the first rookie Michael -- that I saw."

" And and and download them on their level which is crime but. Because well these days to think about it. They -- and -- tired -- that if they're good they're good concerts."

" There's a lot of got an adult or people I don't know reduce it looks all blue light dismisses it it's it's literally straight up please drop atomic. Aside yeah and have been a couple of ensemble cast a bunch of different cops and rocket traded off barks dependent or an agent of the night shift. Look at our local militia it was not a big shift is politically right there the a couple of arguments port posters com. So that admit that was that's that's sort of -- early part of that is they're part of -- two thousands. Ends with some -- central. And then you've got -- man now this is sort of the history of the early there were search is that the resurgence period of time. Where crime books where equipment and hopefully -- to take a break come back. We'll talk with some boxer coming up now -- like."

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" Now we talked about we've talked a lot come to the show of force is sometimes it's not my books and talked previously. Who took it as we've talked cookbook filled. Little while ago which is love -- couples that. And this is we're talking a books that are out now I've said this is kind of on the board it's technically. Technically yeah. -- If you saw our want to cut opposite from back earlier in the year he's good couples is said that that the books line. How. That was read as follows a detective Richard snow on average temperatures for. Now let's. That tired. And and they're great little one and done stories of sixteen page stories each issue is a dollar 99 all but that doesn't hold up the story off except. This is -- that fits a lot in into the nine -- he works with and more else you know not only can tell us what this book."

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" The Muslims and listen isn't it but you get along collection and they're just agree agree. There's a great read -- you know no problem. -- investigation resolution. You know sadness sadness Fred -- cozy citizens dour feel around the whole the whole book but that's part of its charm that makes --"

" This -- left everything else written lately and this is less paperwork to most of its overall this is a really really really good. So some day maybe."

" Ellis finished script and will be more -- and I'll be reading it. Cookies in the meantime the other is about as big of a crime fantasy as our the middle and interest -- isn't the."

" And for me I just love getting away from. Could write a million superiors or intellectual resources fun but I really. Look for books where they take the comic book form they do in the real world -- of the best ways to do that yeah and it's like atmosphere meant. And bullets -- massive criminal by Ed Brubaker Shaun Phillips after they were together on -- sleeper for a little while storm which was crime book. Society -- long -- it or -- out more about cats and yes crime -- a lot of executive let."

" This is purely. Poll B Norris. Crime stories toll from the colonel's point of the US's assists this is pure debt and you know it's one Eisner awards it's it's it's you know really really good. Comic writing really comic storyteller and the first order I think was probably my favorite one. Were focusing on the uncle captured. Focusing on. Iced tea criminal who's gets hot and ice and he always chapter of the way added the its branded cowardly just on what -- of --"

" He's always used to describe and fictional story about crime it's not like. It's like real criminals are like we're -- Heisman -- that's you know Tony real criminals and they think unlimited talk like 1940s and think they're okay. But they -- sure to sigma. Who won this but I'm as a criminal is and his -- icon which is marbles kind of -- grown from. And print and it just every issue has not disappointed this is in every shoes is and it's it's."

" Subtle hiatus right now they load creative team doesn't have spoken and you don't but. Criminal is what it's house -- a spot that's books did Thomas times effect absolutely and there's been two volumes two seasons to series -- we want to call them so special a special what shots but it. Anything either big debate about trade paperbacks. Or at a special special -- addition you can read them totally foreign and it just beautiful products. One that just is ending right now is back to Brooklyn which is from our citizens. And disguise coming out of it from I didn't then meet and hello then you lose me to collect rent that tech tech -- And this is it is it got -- S does a lot of violent work he's got this is violent and this is this is a pure mobsters in Brooklyn story and one mobster besides his brother the bosses to. Despicable and decides to go Vista with the cops and men and realizes gonna save his family from -- about specifics but Bob's story and yes. And it very smallest Clinton."

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" There's a lot of explanation you know here's the you know as they had the family and -- against each other go."

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" We'll all be realistic yes well there's no there's not. Fantasy element to an all completely realistic overall -- exploit natively violent I suppose and I don't mean that. You know she's like it's it's slightly over the top. Let's have a."

" At times realistically randomness and this shotgun they're gonna be splattered all over the world I'd like to say it's on bet not really fun but it's. It's fun it's visit is that we have it's wrapping up sort of image will probably collected could -- obvious. So few months apart in a reflection it's tough it's really if you liked it and sciences is grisly it did not want to go to Brooklyn who. When and where we we went and tried to rob us of with a what do we mowed down for that the."

" Finally. For this this little bit -- want to talk about them so we're gonna be claymore. Is one of the guys who sort of -- in traffic more in in in the real world as opposed to the fantasy world I think for the most part there's a couple of books he's I would talk about -- before. Fifty story about private detective. Oh yes bird who's who's in Hawaii and says some elements offense in it a little a little bit here and there. But for the most part it's artistry sort of fifties noir crime -- Atlanta David Soares crime family in any of -- against them. Or just looking. In the news -- this market atmosphere in line hands -- Polynesian and feel through to get the book relate some sometimes the best thing about it is the coloring. That's not to -- and I happen. You have got a better. We community you can check these out these different who want to give them want to talk about this is a little while longer lines fell. Internet it may or may not exist anymore this -- they six -- series and only four of them exist it's been a year. And I don't know it's gonna keep coming on issues we didn't find them there's a series that. More did with pack is this to sort of 76. It's a half and half but so. It's about two separate unrelated crime stories they each take place in 1976 on and have sort of like when you listen to when you read them you can hear like I'm just hits you teach here the cheesy contests yet. Much the first that the more story which is the first one that doesn't need to them is. Jackie karma and down and talk like I'm saying yes."

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" It feels like -- time period that -- Almost like -- you're like applying it does yes there's a good ability atmosphere."

" Absolutely on the second. A bit is cool. By assets second Tyler Walker. Stand up to me is in this is -- art is is really get a magazine you're gonna see. Yet again and a lot more. Slightly cartoonish very exciting as nice sort of great talk about this is sort of about like a drug deal gone wrong in the the girl picks up the the baggage and now everybody's after her you know and and the you know and -- off you know and ones on the east coast ones in the west coast that have sort of a different fields both of them as the sort of goofy drug kingpin midget guy on really. Fun books there's nothing like these I think that that's that's. It's made him more stuff this is done and handled the business and the thing is yeah. You could argue that -- on you don't with the -- the -- should one of the really fun thing about the book is in the back of each of these issues. On this just little fun things like this when as the nineties and this fall primetime TV schedule threatening and then beginning effort this music. Police factoid about about what was going on in 1976. Just. How loved it was so wrapped up it's happening now it's -- good dropped back at the time period and yet is it is just not. This in these are cool comics they deserve to be checked out bombs there will be a trade paperback of this it's not yet I believe. You can find. Parts of these online in in entirety. Will throw the will throw the thing up -- you can see it. But these are definitely worth checking out -- and get more books about real things come back."

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" One question and I actually got a few times in recent which is weird is people up on -- for true crime products you know stories based on real events or opens -- that apparently -- to hold to -- also drop -- com. Comment I like true crimes the recent emails like -- my bookshelf but. Three others budget we have three that we've talked for the past was from hell which -- us. -- it's very it's sector riverbed it's true crack -- because it's it's a speedy diesel will only lead yet it's very historically accurate terms of events whether or not. -- corrects for -- never know Campbell. And that's something we talked we're back in episode one while -- Womack incidentally went back I don't want don't -- Take your word this is out this is for me to carry out more buckets as Matt just does is it is opens yeah it's just created Eddie Campbell's artists beautifully. It is disturbing and that's it just adds so --"

" And this is probably one of the first Tom looks that I read and now I don't. I didn't know you could do this that you know I didn't know the comic book deal like this at."

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" We -- recently doubled just well I kind discovered at an aspirin and pass it along just -- need to -- is forever -- actually the work the worker Rick -- recently discovered and if he is Rick here he's a he's that you -- drew all these books and he's the he's got a long career of the day's work for everybody did newspaper cartoons and works for man he's really he's. Had accomplished. Comic artists and he's been doing these. Volumes treasury Victorian murder or manner it. Where the hardest hit a couple different the end of the variation there. Treasures of murder and what they are is that he's focusing on eighteen hundreds and all these different pass or is this look here's the murder of Abraham Lincoln. And then he did also the the -- of Chicago which is the guy who killed all the people the world's fair trial in the hundreds of Lizzie Borden. And a lot of these. These -- and then this last year came out east but now he's run out of murders in the eighteen hundreds and now we've got the treasury of -- such as murder and that's not there. And this was about a B this what does that. As -- Arafat when customers. This sort of about the Lindbergh baby kidnapping and and presumed murder and what's great of these that he."

" These are all too common stories and they're told in -- way is unlike any other kind of crime book -- read the way his art is is art is very on disarming. It's not brutal or bloodier than that expected is very very very effective and the way he tells stories you can tell he's worked in journals and newspapers before because it's told."

" At a very very factual kind of these what we know today."

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" Exactly and lays out all the clues as the police knew about it with the investigations were like and they're just it was I couldn't put this Allen picked up and annually told them about it and UN --"

" Book a month yet little ways back. The same time -- went and bought that -- picture for murdered Abraham Lincoln. We can -- war -- lot of books on it on this really nice clean. Summary. Of all the stuff that happened on that same style. On these books -- expensive this is nine bucks for the soft cover this hard covers. -- yet it's our it's a -- everything nice like Frontline base cartoons. It's that's going on -- is not a lot of word balloons or anything like that but it is it's mostly. Told me in the form of of of narration you watching history you know document or something like that and and you know it's surprising because that the cartooning. Gets across is actually in this what photos could do because there were a lot of photos of this and and this helps convey the idea is visually in a way that works much better and say. Read reenacted video or something like that which is almost always hokey that this this is sort of allowed to understand something that is nice sort of tigers with a show like. Like an outline of the house where where Lincoln died in White House said he loves to do's. What a cutaway shots like."

" That'd be east Chicago one look at my funeral though the -- you -- read them we've just got to Chicago built this house. And that there were all these trapped outdoors and hidden rooms and he every room had. Stick it it's -- natural gas and in his bedrooms all the controls so he would what you use of the border. And during the world's very you have when it -- say there and he just turn the lever and gas them and kill them and bring in now and set and then -- the basement -- the incinerator it and this is totally the house is just amazing to see just."

" Like how crazy this it's this -- you -- Had been written -- and you're gonna get a list yeah of these books and all of them. Pretty entertaining yeah yeah furniture crime. Algerian resource -- you. He's on his in his final play. Dark humor into the art is -- kind of is what kind of underlined the need to stories and Jesus is just they're just -- and demands on my there was some slowly -- all the books in my collection because of some you know -- have to -- library to."

" It's an -- too -- to -- John is a good one and an intelligence because the way you were. Passionately telling us the story and it's it's fascinating. The real story is almost went more testing and take snicker yeah and -- comes around unbelievable to certain degree from my house like that. You have to sort of go some could could this if peaceful solution for."

" So they're probably tons other crime books out there that we have -- talked about if you have any suggestions and questions that these Eagles can't match him enough now that also yeah and we're dot com a website we can go find. -- on this show -- places. What steps and tells us what you've read or all sorts of other written content audio podcast fun stuff like that. I believe that's."

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" This that I Campbell is brought to you by godaddy. And the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration -- need to buckle up. IFanboy the comic book discussion show from the website and went -- come on Ron Richards and I'm here with our -- it. And I'm comic Kilpatrick and they were talking about crime."

" This. Nothing has proven path alleged. Hit his fifth that I was exonerated you can't be tried the same time that was in jeopardy and indictment not a conviction right now on this because you're that it had you know. Anyway so crime has been any a."

" Genre Comex that has kind of risen back to the prominence recently."

" We'll talk crime comics today and then superhero -- dominate the market obviously these basic com books -- do I know it's really shocking that they do. And there was always the case in nineteen in the nearly part of the century comes restarted it was all part of the for Trotter was -- was -- stories it was all kinds of democratic majority think of they're -- com. The first recorded crime comic -- was magic forward to call crime does not pay. Who's that that was the lesson for the kid loves this thing is loses pointed direction was. And actually before that asserted that the Dick Tracy cartoon and it -- it strips of paper newspapers but it was a comic book. So that's reported to and then they -- promise and after World War II. Actually -- sales tanked and now that rose all the all the genres really kicked into high gear -- two car crime books or books specifically. Big publishers -- but it could just flooded the market with crime and horror books. And out class of about six years and -- to 48 best and worst of sort of stuff doctor Frederick where a bomb bomb. -- He published two articles 48 -- how bad cops are for kids and enacted in 1950s -- 644. Was when it was when it's seduction of the innocent came out. What's led to hearings in congress and that's -- congress about comic books and it juvenile delinquency of a middle published them testify. And immediately after the -- either cancel their product or products or -- just gonna damage when it."

" Our lives are legislated with a comic -- good to relate it was worth doing."

" In Boston just didn't even try to fight it it -- forget it cancel all the books and it basically in the fifties comics cut -- all private car -- disappeared now. And that led to the so average superheroes it's -- in prominent that's where we're at now. In the sixties some big experiment with some crime at a policy books. So they tried they try to but he didn't really -- into it."

" Was it isn't because a lot of that was on the -- NBC morning DC so the moral side -- was fighting crime -- his crimes by but it definitely Prado ran oh era it was light it went in -- it was you know he saw the burglary but --"

" All comic books it's sort of crime -- yeah also groups or Kron looks like we're talking about things that don't involve superheroes. Ready for the most part there have disks. It cops but that's -- dot net humanity by. Attachment aliens but so that."

" In the sixties if they sort of try to few and then. In the 70s80s -- a couple here and there but nothing really is protected but in the in the late ninety's you got guys coming up in the in the in the industry. Was overly -- bent to it and that really route that's it and the rise of crime books began again and you have a lot of prominent books until the point now where. It's it's it's as a thriving genre of of comics now so we're talk about. Some of the books we like some of the what the cabinet that night it appeared to -- renaissance -- now."

" I a lot of stuff all the great books and coming currently is an issue on stands yet didn't get. It's also. One of the big guys responsible basic -- the crime renaissance was private about this you that you're there from the beginning and I wasn't the but it and what that I was that we. -- And what I discovered was this black and white. It's kind of photo pool four reference how to solve our about. That was had the -- was totally -- yeah."

" And marks the largest dark. Stores -- there's nobody that's really good yeah. At that this was a guy who whom he came up and -- me now is -- controls marveled but he had jinx to a head on goldfish. -- torso fire and Martin Biron was biased or it was my -- yeah. But in this this -- one of them. This is these books -- a lot of reasons why crime books sort of couldn't care about because there's a rootkit but it popular and mrs. This is like us what's the third printing of the system that there's a ten printings of."

" There's this old cover it and -- change solutions on equipment months. Yet know what it had that norm kind of north country and they're dark shadows usually aren't as well and now if you redundancy he writes now -- these so weird to look at these. And think -- this is the biggest name in in sort of you know one of these things and superhero comics now because they're so. Raw -- it's very Indians and wrong and he's like it's a guy who's clearly wants to make comment is that crap so they can see everything there. You know but its its interest into the site re easy word balloons or yet I think this could do it. Yet crazy -- other -- out -- guess what that's right but but I think. It's the most finishing about is that. Just you know for a long time -- have almost not over this. I still think about this is a crime and I because the -- this was the first irony is both first and that -- powers which just sort of a -- to Obama yeah. But with superiors and it and then I went back and read this stuff. To release the -- which writes we start slowing avengers and things like that. But I'm still elect is a crime guidance connect people forget that and so. It and it is telling me this is my favorite stuff that he's ever yes -- yes you know I want to go back to this stuff --"

" Jessica max re reading it after years and it really -- Aventis spokesman at -- envelope. Don't totally but it's like you -- you missed the raw passion that's in these pages."

" That I've done jinx is that female character's name she's the idea that she's bounty hunter and a bomb. Of course and tails -- down criminals and things like that. And then called -- such as a criminal as the com is all right I'll call his -- after he's references there in the same universe okay."

" Call this is the character it rejects it then it got our story in his bought them. Yeah that's lots works for you. Okay even even then he was doing this year and respect like businesses Google bit this world but this is -- was -- altitudes and get him. And out -- did this if you like crime and or badness and it -- that these these are some at all yeah. I mean it's rough it's hot top polished it's it's him doing it you know on his own he did this whole."

" And look at the picture a little Ryan my good -- good. That's -- print image comics published this comedy get him and inflections. -- versions now this. Now to have losses to back matter and so what that meant and this is really what kind of where his love like you when you hear talk onward movement in the -- he talks like with love about these books is the ones that -- is in and I think he wants to go back to them and its impact. And is mostly injuries yet."

" And she had to do it takes all its own yeah sleeve this thick book he did not expect. -- Rock Greg rock that was another big name peace yes it wideout for only and that's -- that's the crime of murder then Antarctica. A lot of big big games now and actually what Brubaker -- scene of the crime -- lot of big games products to start off doing his crime normal -- in -- Do the crime is is an early. Work with him and Michael Larkin chuck Phillips still thinking Michael."

" And you might recognize those and Shaun Phillips -- and criminal department would within economical art student level and that's that's clearly has an Bloomberg. -- favorites -- my favorite prime books into talking and other offices in these guys have lambasted him and I can do at this time liberal cocaine and congress Tuesday British British comic creator. And -- it's it's it's a basis crime book hall's top and little wacky British and lacking discipline. Definitely you know fonts type two this -- Lawson and kind of the insanity of the city loses and that's the thing to a mafia crime books from."

" Then you take all the stuff from early part of the late part that is what part of thousands -- because -- record -- national -- that I go to. DC -- got central. Which was like not directly but that."

" This sort of looks like porn for you yes well this is suing his love this book I yes yeah. This pure crime criticism that is DC -- city and a reason that he got gets put on. On a larger stage is that it takes up Gotham city so bad. Is there but he's not really. Is that -- does not need character it's a crime book in the confines of the DC universe so its only super her book and sort of the loses sent some of the villains and they show up is a really good -- are I was. It's relaxed. Powers is more -- presence -- more peninsula yet. A lot of credit straight murdered body. Knows about detectives and cops and and it really was. Used one of those votes for the issues I think and like everyone -- Between them and special is that it's about the documents you -- crime unit. So that it toy yeah Christmas. Do the Mac and just Mac and bettered her best with -- For the moment that these trees there was a bit. At the end we're like it. Went. What was Christmas like it became. Let's hear it goes on to be one of the sort of bigger cosmic urges restraint that tied in into the statue and Christian right which was. Mistake because it."

" Clothes off about it and but you have pointed this is the common this was that natural progression. It's got to an indie stuff the stuff for some stuff so publish work. But -- added that -- can tell that's a lot of because they go to the DC universe rock and bigger ready Batman books and defective products right bat bat. What they want to do this crime but the enemy in the Bristol to a crime books and Russia still doing a -- going to crumble coming outs later they still love this stuff."

" I still plan of these characters -- every chance to me you know remaining until it is the question now. And she you know she's one of -- she's the guys you know she's the care and he's always writings -- there. -- thing this was that that the time. I mean obviously sales were not stellar for the book would have been canceled all but since then has been that. So. Yeah it's like it's growing legend ones who have gone back and read it like to teach us talk about reference and then then this and we pretty and his omnibus editions this is the most -- of the week pick. I believe the is sort of in history like when we that we could not pick that book over and over. It's just great stuff and it's funny because it first like it was like a couple of trades and they were kind of crappy unit learned they were running complete weren't order. And now they're going back the other way and doing them sort of nice hard covered. Up -- that's right it's the first issues and that's working that. A market is built for them since these guys that big names and people and these characters -- better known and that what Michael. This -- is the first rookie Michael -- that I saw."

" And and and download them on their level which is crime but. Because well these days to think about it. They -- and -- tired -- that if they're good they're good concerts."

" There's a lot of got an adult or people I don't know reduce it looks all blue light dismisses it it's it's literally straight up please drop atomic. Aside yeah and have been a couple of ensemble cast a bunch of different cops and rocket traded off barks dependent or an agent of the night shift. Look at our local militia it was not a big shift is politically right there the a couple of arguments port posters com. So that admit that was that's that's sort of -- early part of that is they're part of -- two thousands. Ends with some -- central. And then you've got -- man now this is sort of the history of the early there were search is that the resurgence period of time. Where crime books where equipment and hopefully -- to take a break come back. We'll talk with some boxer coming up now -- like."

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" Now we talked about we've talked a lot come to the show of force is sometimes it's not my books and talked previously. Who took it as we've talked cookbook filled. Little while ago which is love -- couples that. And this is we're talking a books that are out now I've said this is kind of on the board it's technically. Technically yeah. -- If you saw our want to cut opposite from back earlier in the year he's good couples is said that that the books line. How. That was read as follows a detective Richard snow on average temperatures for. Now let's. That tired. And and they're great little one and done stories of sixteen page stories each issue is a dollar 99 all but that doesn't hold up the story off except. This is -- that fits a lot in into the nine -- he works with and more else you know not only can tell us what this book."

" Knocked my socks up and related. It's collected all of a first that see some great issues yet -- crucial Lebanon on the nonprofit --"

" The Muslims and listen isn't it but you get along collection and they're just agree agree. There's a great read -- you know no problem. -- investigation resolution. You know sadness sadness Fred -- cozy citizens dour feel around the whole the whole book but that's part of its charm that makes --"

" This -- left everything else written lately and this is less paperwork to most of its overall this is a really really really good. So some day maybe."

" Ellis finished script and will be more -- and I'll be reading it. Cookies in the meantime the other is about as big of a crime fantasy as our the middle and interest -- isn't the."

" And for me I just love getting away from. Could write a million superiors or intellectual resources fun but I really. Look for books where they take the comic book form they do in the real world -- of the best ways to do that yeah and it's like atmosphere meant. And bullets -- massive criminal by Ed Brubaker Shaun Phillips after they were together on -- sleeper for a little while storm which was crime book. Society -- long -- it or -- out more about cats and yes crime -- a lot of executive let."

" This is purely. Poll B Norris. Crime stories toll from the colonel's point of the US's assists this is pure debt and you know it's one Eisner awards it's it's it's you know really really good. Comic writing really comic storyteller and the first order I think was probably my favorite one. Were focusing on the uncle captured. Focusing on. Iced tea criminal who's gets hot and ice and he always chapter of the way added the its branded cowardly just on what -- of --"

" He's always used to describe and fictional story about crime it's not like. It's like real criminals are like we're -- Heisman -- that's you know Tony real criminals and they think unlimited talk like 1940s and think they're okay. But they -- sure to sigma. Who won this but I'm as a criminal is and his -- icon which is marbles kind of -- grown from. And print and it just every issue has not disappointed this is in every shoes is and it's it's."

" Subtle hiatus right now they load creative team doesn't have spoken and you don't but. Criminal is what it's house -- a spot that's books did Thomas times effect absolutely and there's been two volumes two seasons to series -- we want to call them so special a special what shots but it. Anything either big debate about trade paperbacks. Or at a special special -- addition you can read them totally foreign and it just beautiful products. One that just is ending right now is back to Brooklyn which is from our citizens. And disguise coming out of it from I didn't then meet and hello then you lose me to collect rent that tech tech -- And this is it is it got -- S does a lot of violent work he's got this is violent and this is this is a pure mobsters in Brooklyn story and one mobster besides his brother the bosses to. Despicable and decides to go Vista with the cops and men and realizes gonna save his family from -- about specifics but Bob's story and yes. And it very smallest Clinton."

" Only the base."

" There's a lot of explanation you know here's the you know as they had the family and -- against each other go."

" You know and then -- away -- Vista -- he drops you sort of an element he explains things that you coordinate schedules. And this is. Screwy anticipates. That corresponding like people get. Packed up chopped off up and mothers getting sort of the traffic weather suns yeah. Don't that you can't keep."

" We'll all be realistic yes well there's no there's not. Fantasy element to an all completely realistic overall -- exploit natively violent I suppose and I don't mean that. You know she's like it's it's slightly over the top. Let's have a."

" At times realistically randomness and this shotgun they're gonna be splattered all over the world I'd like to say it's on bet not really fun but it's. It's fun it's visit is that we have it's wrapping up sort of image will probably collected could -- obvious. So few months apart in a reflection it's tough it's really if you liked it and sciences is grisly it did not want to go to Brooklyn who. When and where we we went and tried to rob us of with a what do we mowed down for that the."

" Finally. For this this little bit -- want to talk about them so we're gonna be claymore. Is one of the guys who sort of -- in traffic more in in in the real world as opposed to the fantasy world I think for the most part there's a couple of books he's I would talk about -- before. Fifty story about private detective. Oh yes bird who's who's in Hawaii and says some elements offense in it a little a little bit here and there. But for the most part it's artistry sort of fifties noir crime -- Atlanta David Soares crime family in any of -- against them. Or just looking. In the news -- this market atmosphere in line hands -- Polynesian and feel through to get the book relate some sometimes the best thing about it is the coloring. That's not to -- and I happen. You have got a better. We community you can check these out these different who want to give them want to talk about this is a little while longer lines fell. Internet it may or may not exist anymore this -- they six -- series and only four of them exist it's been a year. And I don't know it's gonna keep coming on issues we didn't find them there's a series that. More did with pack is this to sort of 76. It's a half and half but so. It's about two separate unrelated crime stories they each take place in 1976 on and have sort of like when you listen to when you read them you can hear like I'm just hits you teach here the cheesy contests yet. Much the first that the more story which is the first one that doesn't need to them is. Jackie karma and down and talk like I'm saying yes."

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" It feels like -- time period that -- Almost like -- you're like applying it does yes there's a good ability atmosphere."

" Absolutely on the second. A bit is cool. By assets second Tyler Walker. Stand up to me is in this is -- art is is really get a magazine you're gonna see. Yet again and a lot more. Slightly cartoonish very exciting as nice sort of great talk about this is sort of about like a drug deal gone wrong in the the girl picks up the the baggage and now everybody's after her you know and and the you know and -- off you know and ones on the east coast ones in the west coast that have sort of a different fields both of them as the sort of goofy drug kingpin midget guy on really. Fun books there's nothing like these I think that that's that's. It's made him more stuff this is done and handled the business and the thing is yeah. You could argue that -- on you don't with the -- the -- should one of the really fun thing about the book is in the back of each of these issues. On this just little fun things like this when as the nineties and this fall primetime TV schedule threatening and then beginning effort this music. Police factoid about about what was going on in 1976. Just. How loved it was so wrapped up it's happening now it's -- good dropped back at the time period and yet is it is just not. This in these are cool comics they deserve to be checked out bombs there will be a trade paperback of this it's not yet I believe. You can find. Parts of these online in in entirety. Will throw the will throw the thing up -- you can see it. But these are definitely worth checking out -- and get more books about real things come back."

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" One question and I actually got a few times in recent which is weird is people up on -- for true crime products you know stories based on real events or opens -- that apparently -- to hold to -- also drop -- com. Comment I like true crimes the recent emails like -- my bookshelf but. Three others budget we have three that we've talked for the past was from hell which -- us. -- it's very it's sector riverbed it's true crack -- because it's it's a speedy diesel will only lead yet it's very historically accurate terms of events whether or not. -- corrects for -- never know Campbell. And that's something we talked we're back in episode one while -- Womack incidentally went back I don't want don't -- Take your word this is out this is for me to carry out more buckets as Matt just does is it is opens yeah it's just created Eddie Campbell's artists beautifully. It is disturbing and that's it just adds so --"

" And this is probably one of the first Tom looks that I read and now I don't. I didn't know you could do this that you know I didn't know the comic book deal like this at."

" Actually and -- the last section develop a disease and an index again. And it that's almost another book in and of itself but yeah that does not just this Wright got the list a bit docket for its paragraphs of can expound on a panel where it got it hysteria and the characters -- as a whole other story and if that does not. No this event you. While decimal and you need your notes with. Bought at a chart the -- looks at a white white board yes. And the net front of the struggle that put up a I. Importantly accident. To bed at night -- exact replica of the stability. Back to -- this he did it at home period of politics and then goldfish to my favorite vendors work torso with -- market -- Holmgren and Brett that's. He also -- it is well what did it looks -- his. Take a torso Taylor who was serial killer in the Cleveland the whip when the biggest Elena Salinas amnesty Lucent and after the -- to -- it was not automatically put indicated. The these are sixty years yet what's been. Commissioner but it it was called police commissioner and candidate is such -- come it was never officially. Stopped identified on other mini series segment he was stopped at a Protestant secret because he was rich and that's what that's that's that's -- He talked about it actually will lower minority really is an end to this -- from Cleveland and it's a whole different story. And then at Union Station of the tournament and also -- personal to what was it well maybe not. It's the standard parks wrote wrote it and part of read out drew witnesses small start -- mobsters who. And assistance use stitches were it actually goes back and assist about the follow committed and it's a really. Nice little. Quick crimes tea notes you know mobsters and that is -- Kansas City where that big mob called up. -- known in the department's interest fascinating. Is that bass of New York Chicago Kansas City like eternity. Bob's friends they had the Gibson. Com so those those are those some doubles titles over the -- couple others to come obviously that."

" We -- recently doubled just well I kind discovered at an aspirin and pass it along just -- need to -- is forever -- actually the work the worker Rick -- recently discovered and if he is Rick here he's a he's that you -- drew all these books and he's the he's got a long career of the day's work for everybody did newspaper cartoons and works for man he's really he's. Had accomplished. Comic artists and he's been doing these. Volumes treasury Victorian murder or manner it. Where the hardest hit a couple different the end of the variation there. Treasures of murder and what they are is that he's focusing on eighteen hundreds and all these different pass or is this look here's the murder of Abraham Lincoln. And then he did also the the -- of Chicago which is the guy who killed all the people the world's fair trial in the hundreds of Lizzie Borden. And a lot of these. These -- and then this last year came out east but now he's run out of murders in the eighteen hundreds and now we've got the treasury of -- such as murder and that's not there. And this was about a B this what does that. As -- Arafat when customers. This sort of about the Lindbergh baby kidnapping and and presumed murder and what's great of these that he."

" These are all too common stories and they're told in -- way is unlike any other kind of crime book -- read the way his art is is art is very on disarming. It's not brutal or bloodier than that expected is very very very effective and the way he tells stories you can tell he's worked in journals and newspapers before because it's told."

" At a very very factual kind of these what we know today."

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" Exactly and lays out all the clues as the police knew about it with the investigations were like and they're just it was I couldn't put this Allen picked up and annually told them about it and UN --"

" Book a month yet little ways back. The same time -- went and bought that -- picture for murdered Abraham Lincoln. We can -- war -- lot of books on it on this really nice clean. Summary. Of all the stuff that happened on that same style. On these books -- expensive this is nine bucks for the soft cover this hard covers. -- yet it's our it's a -- everything nice like Frontline base cartoons. It's that's going on -- is not a lot of word balloons or anything like that but it is it's mostly. Told me in the form of of of narration you watching history you know document or something like that and and you know it's surprising because that the cartooning. Gets across is actually in this what photos could do because there were a lot of photos of this and and this helps convey the idea is visually in a way that works much better and say. Read reenacted video or something like that which is almost always hokey that this this is sort of allowed to understand something that is nice sort of tigers with a show like. Like an outline of the house where where Lincoln died in White House said he loves to do's. What a cutaway shots like."

" That'd be east Chicago one look at my funeral though the -- you -- read them we've just got to Chicago built this house. And that there were all these trapped outdoors and hidden rooms and he every room had. Stick it it's -- natural gas and in his bedrooms all the controls so he would what you use of the border. And during the world's very you have when it -- say there and he just turn the lever and gas them and kill them and bring in now and set and then -- the basement -- the incinerator it and this is totally the house is just amazing to see just."

" Like how crazy this it's this -- you -- Had been written -- and you're gonna get a list yeah of these books and all of them. Pretty entertaining yeah yeah furniture crime. Algerian resource -- you. He's on his in his final play. Dark humor into the art is -- kind of is what kind of underlined the need to stories and Jesus is just they're just -- and demands on my there was some slowly -- all the books in my collection because of some you know -- have to -- library to."

" It's an -- too -- to -- John is a good one and an intelligence because the way you were. Passionately telling us the story and it's it's fascinating. The real story is almost went more testing and take snicker yeah and -- comes around unbelievable to certain degree from my house like that. You have to sort of go some could could this if peaceful solution for."

" So they're probably tons other crime books out there that we have -- talked about if you have any suggestions and questions that these Eagles can't match him enough now that also yeah and we're dot com a website we can go find. -- on this show -- places. What steps and tells us what you've read or all sorts of other written content audio podcast fun stuff like that. I believe that's."

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