DC and Marvel Crossovers!
Wednesday, January 28th, 2009 running time 31:35
Superman can't meet Spider-Man, can he? Batman and Captain America couldn't team up, could they? They can and they do this week as iFanboy takes a look at DC and Marvel Crossovers!
Most people who read comic books read superhero comic books, and most of those people define themselves as Marvel Comics Fans or DC Comics Fans. The two biggest companies in all of comic books exist in two separate worlds leading to epic debates among fans like:
Who's stronger, Superman or The Hulk?
Who'd win in a fight, Aquaman or Namor, The Sub Mariner?
Who's got more money, Tony Stark or Bruce Wayne?
Well, wonder no more, because the heroes of Marvel have met the heroes of DC on many, many occasions and this week iFanboy takes a look at their four favorites crossovers!
In Superman and Spider-Man, two of the biggest names in comic books meet in the two-fisted style of early 1980s Marvel Comics!
In The Uncanny X-Men and The New Teen Titans comics most popular heroes take on Darkseid and the real winner might have been Chris Claremont if he was paid by the word.
Things get ridiculous, 90s style, in DC Versus Marvel when the fans were given the power to decide who won the big fights.
At long last, a comic book dream fulfilled as Kurt Busiek and George Perez brought us the project that was over 20 years in the making: JLA/Avengers!
Highlights
Jay Witasick
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24:56, 24:56
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alzheimer's disease
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11:12, 11:12
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front runner
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3:27, 3:27
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Matt Wright
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18:14, 18:14
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Jay Witasick
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24:56, 24:56
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alzheimer's disease
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11:12, 11:12
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front runner
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3:27, 3:27
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Matt Wright
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18:14, 18:14
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" This ups that -- fan boys brought you by godaddy.com. And netflix.com. What we're gonna do additional tolerance that's. But the crossover. Yeah didn't go over there and mortar rulers and true that contracts that. I -- legal and that -- went on for weeks -- to at least. Yeah absolutely I can't believe cops show -- is wrong here. -- I had Conrad today. Hey we're talk about crossovers. Settlers who doesn't -- good crossover at -- not just crossovers specifically marvel and DC driving. Company -- the public about the granddaddy of all -- also. Why everyone knows who -- there -- two main -- company for two covers and that pretty much over 90% of the market share comics it's Marvel Comics DC comics and they have different. Universe is different worlds and characters Marvin gets Spiderman. And -- and Iron Man. The DC yet Batman and Superman in one room and -- equals terrorism. They exist in different worlds and don't ever meet like one is good in one is that. And -- and for unanimity for years little kids and families so that -- let it be -- a lot of movement of life some little authority. Have you back into -- they're right will read -- Robert. It's -- a look at. People who purchased by the publishers bit of a rivalry yet you know like you because it would never happen when they don't like to have it. The thinking it wouldn't that commitment people don't know is actually has happened. And it's happened quite a bit throughout the years collapse at any time did not so all -- too many times before five sixes and threw him this decade. -- while it would have been some sort of articulate it for me once or videos about two other little -- man admirable ones are. On the other ones that we like the best so the first always -- when I was aware of any of these is obviously it. In 1981. Superman Spiderman crossed over this -- Yes we were all for us is we have a running commentary if I was 22 here is the complete."
" At this time period it was a bunch of these these treasury editions nervous -- all bets are flat to one. Well I remember actually which is kind of across government not marvel as the old Superman versus Mohammed -- and that is all you have discovered that who --"
" 250 and I just like let's say reasonableness and i.s that is full 64 -- just yet -- back then that's what they're in the big big list. Sit Superman and -- Yet it's just -- are slated as a workstation exactly -- also you've got. The Hulk at -- they're also become debt and butts. What exactly if you read the story it references that proves that interest there was another one before this spreads Federer for so we're trying to correct. Well I remember that uncovered them yet so this is like that there's almost political continuity because they do business it may not ever happen. However there is no continuity the story. In this one actually I mean let's and this lurching back this this is the -- I had. The Islamic era in DC this is gonna get off -- marbles. We'll Marvel Comics did the Warner books which -- its rightful which what are you picking up when house I'm -- picked up. When I was -- we talk and move the front runner up to 100 books read -- little part this is actually new version petrified because the original book -- it then rental covers off."
" All news in full color and every literate and full colors and a different color. And it's hard to read yeah."
" Like a complex test. But when I was four or five I read this maybe every day Kurt you know like a year they really broke down panels differently yet it's it to the last. Lack of interest and it -- the story of this this. Particular. Crossover is. Superman -- Spiderman and and after two but because doctor doom and a parasite heft -- it forces. To give -- power over the world -- you know you know who's not a character on the same level as doctor -- just outside it's the parasite exact place. Although the kitty -- because firstly is going to. Creeping face it's all like this it looks like sucked in about and then he touches you it sucks like that's it was very who's like a monster hit a parable of the Hulk is also the story. The most interesting thing about this though it is. Number one it's got its -- are much option she -- it's it's a -- marvel production yes. -- And just that I don't love it felt like he was like being quite know where to go -- it."
" she whose -- has -- very sort of stay out you know I'm sick kitten chisel them that if it's zero run that -- you know have a good he's got a good look to him. I loved Clark had yet but the story is you know doom is what -- of the world to know is does he lets parasites help. Spyware stumbles upon a plot. That he -- a -- help. -- whole 'cause it took it upon tonight Princeton's Brett but told local plan triple click yes vision thing though is that. In the later crossovers and make -- make an attempt to connected to explain how it all works and why don't make sense to assist. They're they're the same worlds Clark has worked at the bugle. Well Clark Kent is no there's trouble in New York the metropolis is down the river. So he goes because of a sabbatical from his -- this -- news anchorman prospective witness yeah correct. Takes about the moonlight job. They go sort of the people project on -- well Peter parker -- it's a good did you Davis and he he goes to metropolis or get a job at the big daily planet. Because they're paid like four packets what did you -- to performance -- like it's great -- come to if he goes he -- from. But the photos Altria stock for some newspapers but. -- it's that he deletes it isn't the deal. Yet diseases or is a suspect it is it's expected reporter -- like he's here because of major coup that he's got."
" The job of trying to keep a secret identity. And the."
" I'm thinking that may be the world TTV news reporting is not I worked literally entire focus is on my thing. I mean if he ever run into a story on Superman yet anyway. But yeah."
" This is rollicking sort eighties and early eighties Marvel Comics worried about the action is big and interview all that it's it's not bogged down at all and then Steve Taylor continuity assist. Superman Spiderman fighting -- doing parasite."
" We learned that. The -- can't be Superman right in and he basically Superman reboot of some need to since art but it physically fit here if you want -- drop. And then and then as it right -- exchange where Superman felt cop or about a mistaken and you can address the -- yeah."
" Source the policy -- What's interesting is they play with me. Iconic status six -- when when Peter goes to do it do planet he seems always beautiful woman final leg of most slaves -- is like. -- ladies and elect loser then yeah. Picked on by down the sports guys the sportswriter. That exceeds its -- and yet see -- he's definitely and that yeah. And then he put I've struck up a following sign Rebecca -- Contact him to wear throughout all that long a consensus sorry about it but again let's kind of I took out while electronic spectral. And yes Peter can't see yeah. Steve was elected to two neighbors sort of jerks that it matters that Michael isn't it when Norman says. And the Caucasus central figure but it's basically just lets people are Steve Lombard villa. And that rollicking adventure. -- that show less than a minute looking for Steve Wal-Mart."
" unsatisfying things I read this so often as a kid and I just recently -- to show. Happened so we use images that are imprinted on my brain. Like what Superman -- so often led to protect them from Kryptonite excellent floor -- suited to a suit. Mikey he felt he -- beat the heat from spinning makes it valuable service to suit from an original message -- back then the call (%expletive) on nationalism because. Does but multiple sit -- not as a kind of severe stuff it was kind of like you would change little and also takes the sat up. So that taxes -- successful so."
" They needed it again I'm and that your letter a year later 92 yet. Marvel movies present an uncanny accident and the new gene patents and that he kind of this time -- this is the classic Robin. What girl our products are fire at a team and marvel and prove their yeah exactly is that your parents more. -- that DC kind of position against the extent."
" Well try to was the end to this at the time. This came out those of the two biggest books DC's -- titans and marvels of content to sit at their biggest books -- it gets. -- division of power crisis crossed over -- today. Those that would be news of the sales have wanted."
" Yet somehow marvelous it went up that point bucks. The bus were caught and on and Chris Claremont races and it won't walk side. So those tests by the way and into look at these two books is no different route begins Jon Beason who didn't know how to duck comics the marvel way. But the the mean the fact that there's only a year between the publishing and these books is astonishing -- because this book. He's beautiful -- page is much more modern anyway. What was really put it this book is I remember in middle school I've got picked it up and bought that issue and I hate. Because I don't know who these teen titans were I don't know who dark side was -- that he -- that tied into it and images really kind of like of this war. Now in my as I -- PC history and anti conservatives a lot more enjoyable."
" Well again like what's a requirement that they didn't try to explain how it is these two. You could diplomat assistant X-Men earned less assertive titans are in Manhattan then. And they know each other -- about before but -- those who don't mutants upstate tuna."
" Yes and it was -- this -- 92 an excellent retirement earlier it's a -- covering -- of the premise is that dark side. Summons the dark Phoenix. The 36 disaster that are excited she's been dead. And some of the tiger change its form Jeep -- kind of team opposite of the universe and hopefully get to yeah. To the -- who editing it is Britain's virtual him but so -- covered got to be dark Phoenix EX box that Robin okay I think Obama. The wraparound cover deep in the pac ten is -- to hurt. This before the -- of popularity of wolverine net there funny DC yes the problem is that your -- wolverine which is you know."
" Brett you won't even Robin Sachs is lead to tighten it even like storm blew night crawler wonder girl excuse. Not even in the back he's better about it is that this is just. Couple exited with Chris I'm already knew God's. Not a good idea full complement."
" I could tell all right accident and it pinnacle of the this is the goal and a digital age is the -- storm colossus -- or cheated wolverine team this is it is. In -- I -- sciences. Prior to alzheimer's disease and accept -- later in the eighties. What all -- what's left that Thomson's son cyclops on my favorite -- does does layouts jump off the beta. It is it is there's a lot of action a lot of really really. Does this and this is one of the crossovers that kind of shows you what the potential what could be. It wasn't a sloppy and and kind of comic book he is -- I want. This is more realistic -- what we expect like nowadays and crossover votes this is -- more moderate story that are persecuted I don't see historic Buick. I never you know got around to talk much over so even after this one there was. There were plans for a grant her crossover between Jesse and Americans and."
" I have been to the 1990s. We -- to that sort of dark period for comics creatively sells life that went up -- maple -- busted the boom. And most comics were kind of not very good."
" But I and then in terms of the world in a company crossovers there was nothing for marvel DC from the early days and in fact marvel DC had kind of you know that Jack had grown again there are a couple of -- selling crossover there but nothing really -- that was really quite constantly -- trust."
" So then in 1996. -- DC versus marvel."
" Which. Is almost epitomizes the -- superior products that time. -- horrible costumes. Strange anatomy. Just the lack thereof."
" It was a desperate attempts -- is what you got his mid ninety's image has has established itself as. Is booming and mart shares dwindling for marvel and DC. The lowest level on. Whatever school and can't season marveled at the Saunders so how better -- get people look at --"
" He's had this works because of the friends here and so -- that was huge we went crazy so what they've learned a gimmick for this at how they took the onus off themselves. Was it said here are like eight marquee matchups this is this is literally -- versus marvel. The fans are going to vote and then you know whoever the fan vote formal wouldn't fight that is -- really this the most are getting way to tell a story it's I think -- again a lot be working on something. And then just did throw that story decision that was the comptroller -- proposals -- Internet there was no it wasn't really loan losses are out of work but that was that was the way of taking off. The pressure us today. Well we had an exit ramp -- nastiest to DC what Somerset fans are gonna side. And I sisters and off most of women most the winning matches up we're DC characters yet just which was a -- that are considered -- popularity. But this this was the first side of we're. Continuity obsession is beginning we're in the mid ninety's everyone as word."
" There's a ballot including every copy the issue. That was now Lynn you mellow -- out concerts -- these are online Internet."
" But it and so. This is the first instance well ever want to sort of continuity -- when it's not -- thing works nor can just enjoy -- story out of unless you can justify how. We should make health we need to figure out a way to make DC -- same world and -- this convoluted cosmic nonsense. Revolving tactical access it's been one do -- things in the marvel universe and start -- starts tomorrow leaders for somebody did despite yes so."
" Is he. He's the key to the nexus of the universe is that he can pull characters in and out of each other's communities universe and somehow it's eight is the access point."
" So called access and that's how -- that's how they did it make sense this was awful. I had such a hard time reading it likes like I've had picking up about it. So this is basically you had his knowledge you have you had hero squaring off in violence today. As this is progress they want to some other reality where they merge all. It was bad before that. The story they fight because that fights and then if the truth really is her feelings and then -- some bushes and the DC monitors Kevin it was it was an entire month yeah. In his -- that we we have Malcolm comics you know all the Malcolm comics and it was. Like an inept -- feelings on wolverine at -- members become our squad that was the -- you've got that we that was about them. Campbell football field and it's what inspired boy and I wanted to look at the design for dark -- just now. That's some ugly comic book visit visit the nineties awful time so it was at least a week you might have been a couple of weeks -- might have been a month I'm not it was a model twelve years ago. You didn't get irregular books can you imagine. I mean honestly. -- cool -- football and we're glad you're at eight and 1980 came out. Since it is is going to school there -- some good ones and actually yes that was persuade agent of shield which was drop by -- it was a military in order somebody really good. There's a couple of good distinct -- it to explore stuff it was all too. Being you know that several -- trade conduct retreat. -- military conducted Tuesday afternoon is that it. He didn't say -- didn't -- they were doctored then quote. But. It was mostly a horrible there one or two good issues."
" A couple of moments I think what I liked about his ceiling -- like and it was actually reprise in we're gonna talk about later. Was that Captain America and that man went loses and right and went off to like -- but that was almost all completely. Thrown aside by the most vulnerable Florida trying to."
" We have to say yes of that sort of size is its old this is all blue -- or but supposedly basic is that it took. -- the parents that we grown up and he doesn't know who would win and fight you know -- will."
" I'm far more jubilee Iraq. The question nobody and you would like what's funny is that everything happened right away right yet Robin showed up just like."
" Who's gonna win the green lantern or social -- sort of American fast harassment but that. Then there were the ones that truly name however supplement -- quicksilver slash have been paired up there --"
" I did like that -- be remembered dropping a -- it."
" A couple of funny -- let's put it what's -- is that rob Martin Peter that are not Matt Wright and other drives good writers and this just an -- what you like this also like this and in this it -- because lots of things appointed number one the air routes. Steve everything -- number two you gave important criticised as soon to readers so they've got to don't -- read how much he makes cents or not and number three there is no way to the reference to smart or a hundred years was not so editorially driven light at night. Dad I'm lawyers by everyone probably have their hands in -- he hasn't a lawyer who had to go to work in like argue Superman case from Africa Sunday. Edited by mark Mike Carlin mark -- relate to top the top them all up yeah just listen and edit it was a success in new Vista success. But you know activity that. The companies and part ways again for another look -- alternatives."
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" Has eluded to earlier in the in the shadow act. In the early early eighties. Marvel DC review these crossovers and there was rumors are project that would just lead America bankers trust services in the granddaddy of prosperous. -- talks began in 1979. And the companies are trying to figure who was going to do what and it's see the DC was gonna be launching you know where these books were kind of marvel this these -- This one they attacked Gerry -- to do the plot. And there was rumors of Roy Thomas do dialogue from -- its -- man. And your characters are slated to two pats looked. Com what then happened was a series of -- communications misfired in general not getting along happened to editorial breakdown at Srebrenica between. Jim shooter be it energy tomorrow -- and DC stocks and what happened was a teacher demanded he get. -- he provide written approval of the plot before anything yet. And after months of waiting for the plot things aren't -- letters and telegrams to -- analysis. Where's the clock like an electric bought -- exactly. Look at what the clock stopped said Jerry Scott DC filing that it delivers Gerry Connolly is all plot and public computer has all sorts of problems continuity problem is that how. Hours of the night and -- really sounding like like a message board games don't yet know is that what classes with flash quicksilver can never race because the -- the speed arrests lessons of ethics -- getting in Gretzky sounded. -- And at what happened was. Featured -- gave George Perez the agreements or pencil. Before approval marketer exactly when you shoot offense with the roof which is not part is already so close improved from being so it's all for doing -- stick. Yeah positive person dropped a couple of pages of the initial plot. And then after about a summer the summer of 82 all the yelling back but -- pixel all the project saying he doesn't question Jeter. So what passes for what pages are drawn in pencil not dialogue and who paid -- I can have on there and there -- some talks trying to save the project together people on it. And eventually it just all lash out and then it became an epic Election Day that let you didn't like the fact people to know these existed you know. Rumors in terms of it. Finally in 1993. -- 94 DC Monday. Gave up on the product ten years later it has its products that are going to happen again that he detective Perez who does all the rubble at the at that point was viewed it have that problem ultimately one money but could not extremists told everybody -- Which plus built -- the net and on and so and Hornets in the don't know what to see -- and -- and a -- George Perez is the quintessential. Jet Justice League aid of vendors artists you know the only artist was drawn both kind of apple universe is so the idea -- each hill great -- Kansas -- idea George carriage drawn this book was like ten employees you know my. So the word for. So. The problem -- shelved. Our -- first hear about it -- to -- tomorrow overseas he came back -- One of the Indonesian island in his book again and never never never that's looking up until -- there -- thousands these are your problems. George -- network for marvel he's canceling avengers and cookies that is ready yet. And honestly I don't know how this project came about -- what what. How this -- aligned to make it happen but possibly -- crossover."
" It's funny was always like Jimmy Hoffa yet like everyone's wallet today. Movement and I'd be starting to gel ever just also remembered. The point where you -- it where you hear much about the you know it doesn't like will always be called like to watch a movie that little thing no matter what happens that'll affect the benefit yeah. So we got wasn't got -- four issue Christie sides. Ministers cannot sort of barely loses all three are affordable relative thing and he had per basic and present him as driven as a drug center and this included. Every single. Member of both teams historically speaking."
" That may have been a bit. Much less someone that some of that she paid spreads -- what we have here we have the heart condition that is one of the early absolute -- the it's not called -- to the heart are -- back up let's look -- credit if you look at this two page spread which cover shortages and it's just everything it. It's everybody there. It was do you play that game and now let's -- unfortunate that those everybody around 2003. They're not some great option for what it's better than 94 Tripp yeah."
" Classic four events and it's possible we don't great that you're going on the story that's what is that kept him krone -- those cosmic. Characters was a middle management are part look like he was like a balding -- with a mustache and a double chin on what this is our great threat. Somebody in Boston -- goes. And of course there to combat him a news -- The times they didn't know because of course because as moderate figure out how to make sense yeah game -- its involvement."
" Basically it's all it's all built around this this quest to get these twelve items that are clubs that are confident Morton's hospital ports above you versus someone's -- your destiny. That is certain -- he got the constant cheap and then once I believe that the Canadians and Atlanta and everywhere Ireland power matters you know."
" Zone. Inside stuff on the other typical motivate me I don't know it fights. And resolve their problems and then and then they get -- which sounds exactly like -- crossover. But -- and a much more intelligent way I thought the way that music merged them and brought them into the history of the Jay Witasick crossovers was brilliant yet. And and then it for me actually this is. There's a fortunate into these this is particularly for for a -- 50%. And that one of my."
" What was my -- Waziristan. And live there's a great sequence in here where they -- all melted together and are all that's impacted their lives down -- prologue time. And they're given the choice of keeping their lives -- going back to real reality and it showed all of their mistakes at all about -- that it sees Jason Todd time. How Jordan sees himself going crazy killing resulted -- veterans Hanks isn't so pretty jammed so it's all these all the -- that happen at this tape. Do we stay safe and happy or do we do the right thing and -- lead to our own personal pain of those of brilliantly emotional scene -- he wrote."
" That was really it and what was also Williams a point when you know team from DC comes up tomorrow university tomorrow that he's universe and the way PC's road. The reaction reactions to the other universe in the characters' lives like they got links to prevent that admiral vote come to the marvel universe is there's like it's dirty slide last. The -- tomorrow night's sleep so clean and."
" casino -- that's going to pick the candidate you know monuments for exactly and it isn't the main main conflict between like Superman and captain merits of mammoth like. How can you let the all this -- on -- you out of these bad things happen and then. You know in the marvel characters and will -- control everybody's lives like that I thought that was actually that was pretty interesting it was a good it did -- some of the differences the two types here is two different versus in their contest I find it interesting that they let him do that yeah because it makes generalizations about the universe is. And depending on your point of view you'd be okay you're not okay with that but I wouldn't I wouldn't assume on the finance I guess that they did and his fine."
" I remember picture of the sport fishing accident having a a strong and diplomatic. Night that was in the -- I've -- to be removed but did come revisited in later years is this really this is quite masterpieces like trapped far more than that and it got a classic backdrop of the for."
" Thing indeed time is also incorporate some of the original art they -- that statement that you -- it original pages he includes some of the original authors of that famous promotional piece we are solid football facing each other which -- done for the original mini. But he corporate of that to the stores are either a lot of like. Suffolk Britain altogether realism night sort of -- to bring the whole history it was what I thought for what it was at the end up -- all the undertake efforts to pull off."
" I grew up then I would the first pirated editions and is coming out and I didn't really care for a one way or another I was there was a lot there and I still think to that you know like. From a storytelling standpoint it's obviously it's it's convoluted like it like you have to think of some reason and all this happens to make I -- this sort of get that out of the way. And then -- interest in parts than become the interactions candidates characters whereas opposed to the earlier one from from the mid ninety's which was all like there's a lot of posturing in this silliness is actually a little more exploration of the characters are really I liked that part of a lot. -- That it did you know there's the fantastic two panels where -- Batman just takes care of the punish her once and for all. Outfit was great. What that's just that's what should have to situation like this scheme -- it's I enjoyed it a lot more this time markets that you in this that'd be -- TC did not say where you have. He's gotten got like five more years yeah I -- more and it's not any more sense to me this time I think it's a sport yes yes yes yes it's for the lives of the highest order and not -- I mean I'm not necessarily the person is gonna get off the most on this. Let's say you know I'd like I got lots of non missile specific. For the rest you know who got its funny like we got lots of good -- diamonds and loses serve remain character. And the united again just like you know more about men and Captain America like teamed up -- Let's point -- yeah and that way people are captured and -- case received the mine's just yes you lost a partner yes that was the grace and I love that that bringing together those guys because they seem like opposite characters but they're they're kind of not although. Technically it kept America should be able to best Batman just on -- one to one thing but I can't. -- politics that they noted that -- be fighting for being with this this one but that happens that's okay because that was like week we've seen to be countering. Oh you yeah a couple of nice."
" He meant that -- himself at all although ms. Clinton taken gates rail accident realize this pointless brightness. I. I think is almost music at the heights but it's this creative is that used earlier register after city is there any -- I think this is where he sort of key to our horror for awhile I would. He's the best writer he's doing all this and you you can tell that industries floor and I'll. I'm not permit most of the time that problem. Why do abuse here once taller -- connect on -- and so you'll probably still my visit our courtesy you really want to go hypothesis. Last year heavily sought -- available on the great little long dead. You know the only history in the and it that you may ultimately have the letter availability pet companion thought that showed original art so if you have seen it before the pages that let -- And what's really is is that at least -- you're gonna right now this will never happen. Trip at least the ones lot of animosity and at least one individuals Oliver -- that today. To that the victory over Kent who would be high enough and that compositions that. But anyway you you want to. So let's send an email tells more about. Crossovers or anything like that he said the contact and iFanboy dot com. Or you can -- a phone call on our what's the -- don't want any endlessly. Huge its its -- and."
" But -- come talk about these crosses a river -- questions it happened you need to be discussion Henderson street apartments plus an -- as well."
" So is the new crossover. Holy Grail of Batman daredevil in the business -- there's a great. Audio then this is how."
" this position on these books into. It deserves it. Yeah and that is and think it's true spirit in believers."
" Another center -- this is the one I was a kid today. There's this."
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" This ups that -- fan boys brought you by godaddy.com. And netflix.com. What we're gonna do additional tolerance that's. But the crossover. Yeah didn't go over there and mortar rulers and true that contracts that. I -- legal and that -- went on for weeks -- to at least. Yeah absolutely I can't believe cops show -- is wrong here. -- I had Conrad today. Hey we're talk about crossovers. Settlers who doesn't -- good crossover at -- not just crossovers specifically marvel and DC driving. Company -- the public about the granddaddy of all -- also. Why everyone knows who -- there -- two main -- company for two covers and that pretty much over 90% of the market share comics it's Marvel Comics DC comics and they have different. Universe is different worlds and characters Marvin gets Spiderman. And -- and Iron Man. The DC yet Batman and Superman in one room and -- equals terrorism. They exist in different worlds and don't ever meet like one is good in one is that. And -- and for unanimity for years little kids and families so that -- let it be -- a lot of movement of life some little authority. Have you back into -- they're right will read -- Robert. It's -- a look at. People who purchased by the publishers bit of a rivalry yet you know like you because it would never happen when they don't like to have it. The thinking it wouldn't that commitment people don't know is actually has happened. And it's happened quite a bit throughout the years collapse at any time did not so all -- too many times before five sixes and threw him this decade. -- while it would have been some sort of articulate it for me once or videos about two other little -- man admirable ones are. On the other ones that we like the best so the first always -- when I was aware of any of these is obviously it. In 1981. Superman Spiderman crossed over this -- Yes we were all for us is we have a running commentary if I was 22 here is the complete."
" At this time period it was a bunch of these these treasury editions nervous -- all bets are flat to one. Well I remember actually which is kind of across government not marvel as the old Superman versus Mohammed -- and that is all you have discovered that who --"
" 250 and I just like let's say reasonableness and i.s that is full 64 -- just yet -- back then that's what they're in the big big list. Sit Superman and -- Yet it's just -- are slated as a workstation exactly -- also you've got. The Hulk at -- they're also become debt and butts. What exactly if you read the story it references that proves that interest there was another one before this spreads Federer for so we're trying to correct. Well I remember that uncovered them yet so this is like that there's almost political continuity because they do business it may not ever happen. However there is no continuity the story. In this one actually I mean let's and this lurching back this this is the -- I had. The Islamic era in DC this is gonna get off -- marbles. We'll Marvel Comics did the Warner books which -- its rightful which what are you picking up when house I'm -- picked up. When I was -- we talk and move the front runner up to 100 books read -- little part this is actually new version petrified because the original book -- it then rental covers off."
" All news in full color and every literate and full colors and a different color. And it's hard to read yeah."
" Like a complex test. But when I was four or five I read this maybe every day Kurt you know like a year they really broke down panels differently yet it's it to the last. Lack of interest and it -- the story of this this. Particular. Crossover is. Superman -- Spiderman and and after two but because doctor doom and a parasite heft -- it forces. To give -- power over the world -- you know you know who's not a character on the same level as doctor -- just outside it's the parasite exact place. Although the kitty -- because firstly is going to. Creeping face it's all like this it looks like sucked in about and then he touches you it sucks like that's it was very who's like a monster hit a parable of the Hulk is also the story. The most interesting thing about this though it is. Number one it's got its -- are much option she -- it's it's a -- marvel production yes. -- And just that I don't love it felt like he was like being quite know where to go -- it."
" she whose -- has -- very sort of stay out you know I'm sick kitten chisel them that if it's zero run that -- you know have a good he's got a good look to him. I loved Clark had yet but the story is you know doom is what -- of the world to know is does he lets parasites help. Spyware stumbles upon a plot. That he -- a -- help. -- whole 'cause it took it upon tonight Princeton's Brett but told local plan triple click yes vision thing though is that. In the later crossovers and make -- make an attempt to connected to explain how it all works and why don't make sense to assist. They're they're the same worlds Clark has worked at the bugle. Well Clark Kent is no there's trouble in New York the metropolis is down the river. So he goes because of a sabbatical from his -- this -- news anchorman prospective witness yeah correct. Takes about the moonlight job. They go sort of the people project on -- well Peter parker -- it's a good did you Davis and he he goes to metropolis or get a job at the big daily planet. Because they're paid like four packets what did you -- to performance -- like it's great -- come to if he goes he -- from. But the photos Altria stock for some newspapers but. -- it's that he deletes it isn't the deal. Yet diseases or is a suspect it is it's expected reporter -- like he's here because of major coup that he's got."
" The job of trying to keep a secret identity. And the."
" I'm thinking that may be the world TTV news reporting is not I worked literally entire focus is on my thing. I mean if he ever run into a story on Superman yet anyway. But yeah."
" This is rollicking sort eighties and early eighties Marvel Comics worried about the action is big and interview all that it's it's not bogged down at all and then Steve Taylor continuity assist. Superman Spiderman fighting -- doing parasite."
" We learned that. The -- can't be Superman right in and he basically Superman reboot of some need to since art but it physically fit here if you want -- drop. And then and then as it right -- exchange where Superman felt cop or about a mistaken and you can address the -- yeah."
" Source the policy -- What's interesting is they play with me. Iconic status six -- when when Peter goes to do it do planet he seems always beautiful woman final leg of most slaves -- is like. -- ladies and elect loser then yeah. Picked on by down the sports guys the sportswriter. That exceeds its -- and yet see -- he's definitely and that yeah. And then he put I've struck up a following sign Rebecca -- Contact him to wear throughout all that long a consensus sorry about it but again let's kind of I took out while electronic spectral. And yes Peter can't see yeah. Steve was elected to two neighbors sort of jerks that it matters that Michael isn't it when Norman says. And the Caucasus central figure but it's basically just lets people are Steve Lombard villa. And that rollicking adventure. -- that show less than a minute looking for Steve Wal-Mart."
" unsatisfying things I read this so often as a kid and I just recently -- to show. Happened so we use images that are imprinted on my brain. Like what Superman -- so often led to protect them from Kryptonite excellent floor -- suited to a suit. Mikey he felt he -- beat the heat from spinning makes it valuable service to suit from an original message -- back then the call (%expletive) on nationalism because. Does but multiple sit -- not as a kind of severe stuff it was kind of like you would change little and also takes the sat up. So that taxes -- successful so."
" They needed it again I'm and that your letter a year later 92 yet. Marvel movies present an uncanny accident and the new gene patents and that he kind of this time -- this is the classic Robin. What girl our products are fire at a team and marvel and prove their yeah exactly is that your parents more. -- that DC kind of position against the extent."
" Well try to was the end to this at the time. This came out those of the two biggest books DC's -- titans and marvels of content to sit at their biggest books -- it gets. -- division of power crisis crossed over -- today. Those that would be news of the sales have wanted."
" Yet somehow marvelous it went up that point bucks. The bus were caught and on and Chris Claremont races and it won't walk side. So those tests by the way and into look at these two books is no different route begins Jon Beason who didn't know how to duck comics the marvel way. But the the mean the fact that there's only a year between the publishing and these books is astonishing -- because this book. He's beautiful -- page is much more modern anyway. What was really put it this book is I remember in middle school I've got picked it up and bought that issue and I hate. Because I don't know who these teen titans were I don't know who dark side was -- that he -- that tied into it and images really kind of like of this war. Now in my as I -- PC history and anti conservatives a lot more enjoyable."
" Well again like what's a requirement that they didn't try to explain how it is these two. You could diplomat assistant X-Men earned less assertive titans are in Manhattan then. And they know each other -- about before but -- those who don't mutants upstate tuna."
" Yes and it was -- this -- 92 an excellent retirement earlier it's a -- covering -- of the premise is that dark side. Summons the dark Phoenix. The 36 disaster that are excited she's been dead. And some of the tiger change its form Jeep -- kind of team opposite of the universe and hopefully get to yeah. To the -- who editing it is Britain's virtual him but so -- covered got to be dark Phoenix EX box that Robin okay I think Obama. The wraparound cover deep in the pac ten is -- to hurt. This before the -- of popularity of wolverine net there funny DC yes the problem is that your -- wolverine which is you know."
" Brett you won't even Robin Sachs is lead to tighten it even like storm blew night crawler wonder girl excuse. Not even in the back he's better about it is that this is just. Couple exited with Chris I'm already knew God's. Not a good idea full complement."
" I could tell all right accident and it pinnacle of the this is the goal and a digital age is the -- storm colossus -- or cheated wolverine team this is it is. In -- I -- sciences. Prior to alzheimer's disease and accept -- later in the eighties. What all -- what's left that Thomson's son cyclops on my favorite -- does does layouts jump off the beta. It is it is there's a lot of action a lot of really really. Does this and this is one of the crossovers that kind of shows you what the potential what could be. It wasn't a sloppy and and kind of comic book he is -- I want. This is more realistic -- what we expect like nowadays and crossover votes this is -- more moderate story that are persecuted I don't see historic Buick. I never you know got around to talk much over so even after this one there was. There were plans for a grant her crossover between Jesse and Americans and."
" I have been to the 1990s. We -- to that sort of dark period for comics creatively sells life that went up -- maple -- busted the boom. And most comics were kind of not very good."
" But I and then in terms of the world in a company crossovers there was nothing for marvel DC from the early days and in fact marvel DC had kind of you know that Jack had grown again there are a couple of -- selling crossover there but nothing really -- that was really quite constantly -- trust."
" So then in 1996. -- DC versus marvel."
" Which. Is almost epitomizes the -- superior products that time. -- horrible costumes. Strange anatomy. Just the lack thereof."
" It was a desperate attempts -- is what you got his mid ninety's image has has established itself as. Is booming and mart shares dwindling for marvel and DC. The lowest level on. Whatever school and can't season marveled at the Saunders so how better -- get people look at --"
" He's had this works because of the friends here and so -- that was huge we went crazy so what they've learned a gimmick for this at how they took the onus off themselves. Was it said here are like eight marquee matchups this is this is literally -- versus marvel. The fans are going to vote and then you know whoever the fan vote formal wouldn't fight that is -- really this the most are getting way to tell a story it's I think -- again a lot be working on something. And then just did throw that story decision that was the comptroller -- proposals -- Internet there was no it wasn't really loan losses are out of work but that was that was the way of taking off. The pressure us today. Well we had an exit ramp -- nastiest to DC what Somerset fans are gonna side. And I sisters and off most of women most the winning matches up we're DC characters yet just which was a -- that are considered -- popularity. But this this was the first side of we're. Continuity obsession is beginning we're in the mid ninety's everyone as word."
" There's a ballot including every copy the issue. That was now Lynn you mellow -- out concerts -- these are online Internet."
" But it and so. This is the first instance well ever want to sort of continuity -- when it's not -- thing works nor can just enjoy -- story out of unless you can justify how. We should make health we need to figure out a way to make DC -- same world and -- this convoluted cosmic nonsense. Revolving tactical access it's been one do -- things in the marvel universe and start -- starts tomorrow leaders for somebody did despite yes so."
" Is he. He's the key to the nexus of the universe is that he can pull characters in and out of each other's communities universe and somehow it's eight is the access point."
" So called access and that's how -- that's how they did it make sense this was awful. I had such a hard time reading it likes like I've had picking up about it. So this is basically you had his knowledge you have you had hero squaring off in violence today. As this is progress they want to some other reality where they merge all. It was bad before that. The story they fight because that fights and then if the truth really is her feelings and then -- some bushes and the DC monitors Kevin it was it was an entire month yeah. In his -- that we we have Malcolm comics you know all the Malcolm comics and it was. Like an inept -- feelings on wolverine at -- members become our squad that was the -- you've got that we that was about them. Campbell football field and it's what inspired boy and I wanted to look at the design for dark -- just now. That's some ugly comic book visit visit the nineties awful time so it was at least a week you might have been a couple of weeks -- might have been a month I'm not it was a model twelve years ago. You didn't get irregular books can you imagine. I mean honestly. -- cool -- football and we're glad you're at eight and 1980 came out. Since it is is going to school there -- some good ones and actually yes that was persuade agent of shield which was drop by -- it was a military in order somebody really good. There's a couple of good distinct -- it to explore stuff it was all too. Being you know that several -- trade conduct retreat. -- military conducted Tuesday afternoon is that it. He didn't say -- didn't -- they were doctored then quote. But. It was mostly a horrible there one or two good issues."
" A couple of moments I think what I liked about his ceiling -- like and it was actually reprise in we're gonna talk about later. Was that Captain America and that man went loses and right and went off to like -- but that was almost all completely. Thrown aside by the most vulnerable Florida trying to."
" We have to say yes of that sort of size is its old this is all blue -- or but supposedly basic is that it took. -- the parents that we grown up and he doesn't know who would win and fight you know -- will."
" I'm far more jubilee Iraq. The question nobody and you would like what's funny is that everything happened right away right yet Robin showed up just like."
" Who's gonna win the green lantern or social -- sort of American fast harassment but that. Then there were the ones that truly name however supplement -- quicksilver slash have been paired up there --"
" I did like that -- be remembered dropping a -- it."
" A couple of funny -- let's put it what's -- is that rob Martin Peter that are not Matt Wright and other drives good writers and this just an -- what you like this also like this and in this it -- because lots of things appointed number one the air routes. Steve everything -- number two you gave important criticised as soon to readers so they've got to don't -- read how much he makes cents or not and number three there is no way to the reference to smart or a hundred years was not so editorially driven light at night. Dad I'm lawyers by everyone probably have their hands in -- he hasn't a lawyer who had to go to work in like argue Superman case from Africa Sunday. Edited by mark Mike Carlin mark -- relate to top the top them all up yeah just listen and edit it was a success in new Vista success. But you know activity that. The companies and part ways again for another look -- alternatives."
" So we get back we're talking about. Thanks to Netflix -- sponsors have sort of iFanboy. With Netflix you can rent over 90000 titles online including -- Blu-ray titles with free shipping both ways to your home. They now have a or forty shipping centers almost all deliveries happens in one business day. And Netflix plans are the 49ers and remember you can no -- two week free trial membership -- check out every -- dot netflix.com slash iFanboy. -- to tighten that every David W news in the code. So."
" Has eluded to earlier in the in the shadow act. In the early early eighties. Marvel DC review these crossovers and there was rumors are project that would just lead America bankers trust services in the granddaddy of prosperous. -- talks began in 1979. And the companies are trying to figure who was going to do what and it's see the DC was gonna be launching you know where these books were kind of marvel this these -- This one they attacked Gerry -- to do the plot. And there was rumors of Roy Thomas do dialogue from -- its -- man. And your characters are slated to two pats looked. Com what then happened was a series of -- communications misfired in general not getting along happened to editorial breakdown at Srebrenica between. Jim shooter be it energy tomorrow -- and DC stocks and what happened was a teacher demanded he get. -- he provide written approval of the plot before anything yet. And after months of waiting for the plot things aren't -- letters and telegrams to -- analysis. Where's the clock like an electric bought -- exactly. Look at what the clock stopped said Jerry Scott DC filing that it delivers Gerry Connolly is all plot and public computer has all sorts of problems continuity problem is that how. Hours of the night and -- really sounding like like a message board games don't yet know is that what classes with flash quicksilver can never race because the -- the speed arrests lessons of ethics -- getting in Gretzky sounded. -- And at what happened was. Featured -- gave George Perez the agreements or pencil. Before approval marketer exactly when you shoot offense with the roof which is not part is already so close improved from being so it's all for doing -- stick. Yeah positive person dropped a couple of pages of the initial plot. And then after about a summer the summer of 82 all the yelling back but -- pixel all the project saying he doesn't question Jeter. So what passes for what pages are drawn in pencil not dialogue and who paid -- I can have on there and there -- some talks trying to save the project together people on it. And eventually it just all lash out and then it became an epic Election Day that let you didn't like the fact people to know these existed you know. Rumors in terms of it. Finally in 1993. -- 94 DC Monday. Gave up on the product ten years later it has its products that are going to happen again that he detective Perez who does all the rubble at the at that point was viewed it have that problem ultimately one money but could not extremists told everybody -- Which plus built -- the net and on and so and Hornets in the don't know what to see -- and -- and a -- George Perez is the quintessential. Jet Justice League aid of vendors artists you know the only artist was drawn both kind of apple universe is so the idea -- each hill great -- Kansas -- idea George carriage drawn this book was like ten employees you know my. So the word for. So. The problem -- shelved. Our -- first hear about it -- to -- tomorrow overseas he came back -- One of the Indonesian island in his book again and never never never that's looking up until -- there -- thousands these are your problems. George -- network for marvel he's canceling avengers and cookies that is ready yet. And honestly I don't know how this project came about -- what what. How this -- aligned to make it happen but possibly -- crossover."
" It's funny was always like Jimmy Hoffa yet like everyone's wallet today. Movement and I'd be starting to gel ever just also remembered. The point where you -- it where you hear much about the you know it doesn't like will always be called like to watch a movie that little thing no matter what happens that'll affect the benefit yeah. So we got wasn't got -- four issue Christie sides. Ministers cannot sort of barely loses all three are affordable relative thing and he had per basic and present him as driven as a drug center and this included. Every single. Member of both teams historically speaking."
" That may have been a bit. Much less someone that some of that she paid spreads -- what we have here we have the heart condition that is one of the early absolute -- the it's not called -- to the heart are -- back up let's look -- credit if you look at this two page spread which cover shortages and it's just everything it. It's everybody there. It was do you play that game and now let's -- unfortunate that those everybody around 2003. They're not some great option for what it's better than 94 Tripp yeah."
" Classic four events and it's possible we don't great that you're going on the story that's what is that kept him krone -- those cosmic. Characters was a middle management are part look like he was like a balding -- with a mustache and a double chin on what this is our great threat. Somebody in Boston -- goes. And of course there to combat him a news -- The times they didn't know because of course because as moderate figure out how to make sense yeah game -- its involvement."
" Basically it's all it's all built around this this quest to get these twelve items that are clubs that are confident Morton's hospital ports above you versus someone's -- your destiny. That is certain -- he got the constant cheap and then once I believe that the Canadians and Atlanta and everywhere Ireland power matters you know."
" Zone. Inside stuff on the other typical motivate me I don't know it fights. And resolve their problems and then and then they get -- which sounds exactly like -- crossover. But -- and a much more intelligent way I thought the way that music merged them and brought them into the history of the Jay Witasick crossovers was brilliant yet. And and then it for me actually this is. There's a fortunate into these this is particularly for for a -- 50%. And that one of my."
" What was my -- Waziristan. And live there's a great sequence in here where they -- all melted together and are all that's impacted their lives down -- prologue time. And they're given the choice of keeping their lives -- going back to real reality and it showed all of their mistakes at all about -- that it sees Jason Todd time. How Jordan sees himself going crazy killing resulted -- veterans Hanks isn't so pretty jammed so it's all these all the -- that happen at this tape. Do we stay safe and happy or do we do the right thing and -- lead to our own personal pain of those of brilliantly emotional scene -- he wrote."
" That was really it and what was also Williams a point when you know team from DC comes up tomorrow university tomorrow that he's universe and the way PC's road. The reaction reactions to the other universe in the characters' lives like they got links to prevent that admiral vote come to the marvel universe is there's like it's dirty slide last. The -- tomorrow night's sleep so clean and."
" casino -- that's going to pick the candidate you know monuments for exactly and it isn't the main main conflict between like Superman and captain merits of mammoth like. How can you let the all this -- on -- you out of these bad things happen and then. You know in the marvel characters and will -- control everybody's lives like that I thought that was actually that was pretty interesting it was a good it did -- some of the differences the two types here is two different versus in their contest I find it interesting that they let him do that yeah because it makes generalizations about the universe is. And depending on your point of view you'd be okay you're not okay with that but I wouldn't I wouldn't assume on the finance I guess that they did and his fine."
" I remember picture of the sport fishing accident having a a strong and diplomatic. Night that was in the -- I've -- to be removed but did come revisited in later years is this really this is quite masterpieces like trapped far more than that and it got a classic backdrop of the for."
" Thing indeed time is also incorporate some of the original art they -- that statement that you -- it original pages he includes some of the original authors of that famous promotional piece we are solid football facing each other which -- done for the original mini. But he corporate of that to the stores are either a lot of like. Suffolk Britain altogether realism night sort of -- to bring the whole history it was what I thought for what it was at the end up -- all the undertake efforts to pull off."
" I grew up then I would the first pirated editions and is coming out and I didn't really care for a one way or another I was there was a lot there and I still think to that you know like. From a storytelling standpoint it's obviously it's it's convoluted like it like you have to think of some reason and all this happens to make I -- this sort of get that out of the way. And then -- interest in parts than become the interactions candidates characters whereas opposed to the earlier one from from the mid ninety's which was all like there's a lot of posturing in this silliness is actually a little more exploration of the characters are really I liked that part of a lot. -- That it did you know there's the fantastic two panels where -- Batman just takes care of the punish her once and for all. Outfit was great. What that's just that's what should have to situation like this scheme -- it's I enjoyed it a lot more this time markets that you in this that'd be -- TC did not say where you have. He's gotten got like five more years yeah I -- more and it's not any more sense to me this time I think it's a sport yes yes yes yes it's for the lives of the highest order and not -- I mean I'm not necessarily the person is gonna get off the most on this. Let's say you know I'd like I got lots of non missile specific. For the rest you know who got its funny like we got lots of good -- diamonds and loses serve remain character. And the united again just like you know more about men and Captain America like teamed up -- Let's point -- yeah and that way people are captured and -- case received the mine's just yes you lost a partner yes that was the grace and I love that that bringing together those guys because they seem like opposite characters but they're they're kind of not although. Technically it kept America should be able to best Batman just on -- one to one thing but I can't. -- politics that they noted that -- be fighting for being with this this one but that happens that's okay because that was like week we've seen to be countering. Oh you yeah a couple of nice."
" He meant that -- himself at all although ms. Clinton taken gates rail accident realize this pointless brightness. I. I think is almost music at the heights but it's this creative is that used earlier register after city is there any -- I think this is where he sort of key to our horror for awhile I would. He's the best writer he's doing all this and you you can tell that industries floor and I'll. I'm not permit most of the time that problem. Why do abuse here once taller -- connect on -- and so you'll probably still my visit our courtesy you really want to go hypothesis. Last year heavily sought -- available on the great little long dead. You know the only history in the and it that you may ultimately have the letter availability pet companion thought that showed original art so if you have seen it before the pages that let -- And what's really is is that at least -- you're gonna right now this will never happen. Trip at least the ones lot of animosity and at least one individuals Oliver -- that today. To that the victory over Kent who would be high enough and that compositions that. But anyway you you want to. So let's send an email tells more about. Crossovers or anything like that he said the contact and iFanboy dot com. Or you can -- a phone call on our what's the -- don't want any endlessly. Huge its its -- and."
" But -- come talk about these crosses a river -- questions it happened you need to be discussion Henderson street apartments plus an -- as well."
" So is the new crossover. Holy Grail of Batman daredevil in the business -- there's a great. Audio then this is how."
" this position on these books into. It deserves it. Yeah and that is and think it's true spirit in believers."
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