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Final Crisis!

Tuesday, March 17th, 2009 – running time 27:26
This week, iFanboy takes a look at Grant Morrison's audacious DC Comics' event, Final Crisis, and answers the big questions... like, what the heck was that all about?

Everyone loves a Crisis, especially DC Comics!

In the past year's most polarizing comic book series, Grant Morrison took the DC Universe on a dark ride that featured the "death" of one of the world's most recognizable fictional characters, and the return of one of comicdom's most beloved characters, back from the dead after nearly 25 years. Was it a success? Was it a failure? Was it somewhere in-between? iFanboy covers all your Final Crisis bases this week, and not surprisingly, come to three (somewhat) different conclusions.

Highlights
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" War."

" What is final crisis. Moon."

" Thin."

" This -- that I fan boys brought to you by. Godaddy.com. And netflix.com. Have to iFanboy the comic book discussion show from iFanboy dot com I'm Josh from here -- I'm Ron mrs."

" There are talked about prices. Finally finally -- the Big Easy access to give it. A point so. It. Should. -- alleged that. I love the insulation. Anyway so far -- but you. Our story but. -- the network's left marble. Came back DC -- he pitched C users are sort of hyper crisis. -- It used to stand. And nothing that places. You minutes I. What is -- element of its its. Soldiers. And soldiers. While the ministers and it was a budget. Related other products and it issues over the course of the year portraits portrait worth. A bunch of sea level characters start. Orphans she's. People did it people's lives the very highly that's an Irish times that we should. Duels Johnson muzzled some -- I've heard such good things of that between the hard excellent in -- her ideas. Senate -- secretive seven soldiers. -- most of them. So -- half. Though 400 hassled. On -- to balance against the or -- said opposite of what episode conceived as a final crisis. More obstacle to visit to. -- this but it became wrapped up -- crisis trilogy DC created. So it doesn't have ties to her -- split it doesn't conceive that this is brought it later on that you were to happen. Seven soldiers and -- top I didn't very close look for it. And so leading up to it was excited it was forever but I expect -- everyone loves a crisis -- look at the economic. And it was announced that eight artist JG Jones could be argued this but do a lot of terrorism puts it in."

" It turns out he's the reason he did he were to -- previously and marvel and marvel boy which is wonderful. He also at a Goodyear does is not want to movie came out there."

" So that was still the lead up to it was excited remorse and -- ministers of the two run. And it was going to be VP it is big -- for superheroes that that is of Great Britain is its final words -- because I'll. And everyone's excited and -- should hit around at the bottom of this you can mission at some of the browns. The whole event hysteria around comments time and sold tons of its copies in the -- important. One of sixty covers articles really good design it's made things are present at this uniform. Cover treatment. It."

" Very is very uncommon -- with a vertical final crisis on the side and as you look at the issues as they went. The of congress want seven. Topography final crisis -- at the end to those should -- there. Yes it's fun to its -- and very CIA kept not knowing like the first time I've bought like one kind of her next book if it goes I think they had day to cover treatments at the one with the with a painted unions -- Vertical thing with a -- other ones where it was -- The topography in the -- of her poster art that was on that Burton took part was that was cover treatment for the majority of the times but progress is needed to cover iBook the ones paying the."

" It's as a and Nazis if you easier table here we've got a lot of this is not an all the with a real long miniseries known fact what do you think progress that is a lot of time -- tied issues related. Actual series supplements and analysts of this. Via cable -- Once shot -- miniseries and I think that cold side bits and character certain things. And the thing about. Secretive agent was went through lot of books where it's unprecedented walled off. And in mobile."

" Well it was a very big bubble yeah it could affect an inaudible green lantern was going on -- the man -- is the main part of our president obviously his book is is got a whole thing going on right now. That doesn't seem to have affected but and then the other over it was a DC told us that you could -- seven issue voters nieces and yet. And I have to read all the stuff now at the end of that. But. It."

" Adamant about armed service that there was a whole what Qaeda operatives industry which is. -- businesses there's a couple missing a lot of discussion and it was it was a whole -- deep story."

" Going through reading it as they came out. I. Pick and choose which ones I want to read based on my interest of things I didn't I didn't read like. Region three world because I was interested and I was I was on after. I read that anarchy which its ties in with -- it's sort of arm and yes and I read a final crisis revelations which. Really easy tie -- much. -- really was and then we'll get -- it. It was I think it was reading it mildly it was sort of a a breakdown for a lot of fans. As it kept going. People start to lose track of what was going on it started to seem more scattershot. I think as you go through them by time that we got to the sixth and seventh issues. A lot of completely lost track of what was supposed to be happening but it was and there's all sorts of ideas but that the method which Grant Morrison was telling the story. Whether it was useful or not mean that basically yet it was he was showing snippets of things and is his version of channel flipping burgers for during comic books. On. Reading a month to month with some delays. That for me cause a problem I lost track of what was I was I was looking at ways however. In preparation for this what. That blood yeah apparently it did I've got the that you make a sanctions through. Going back and read only 1%. Of final crisis because I want to do it just like that straight through the short time very different experience you."

" Added. Remorse of after it was also Doug said -- if he -- reading list is read it was in order in disorder but that's 1123. You'd have has not yet followed by a -- beyond which one into which was which was to -- have begun to clean up after congress yes walls dissent. Followed by congress for five. Followed by two which is about man column before. That I've followed by congress except that was his -- that's what I did. It's ridiculous show but one thing. That we should note or -- relegated to it is. The delays yes and and it is this is -- seems to beat every netbook and no matter what company put the matter who's on it matter what happens to be an advocate."

" What's funny is that as you joke thought present ones -- more ingenious. Never used -- Washington giants then asserts that kind of breakdown after the third issue and we are seeing great -- Charles -- Moreno -- same thing through five he had -- making involved again Martin did all of them percent mark for Rudy and then add -- did -- all seven. So basic that was achieved for whatever reason do -- Jones couldn't keep up with it was this."

" It looks like he put you put a high profile artists whose whose -- you -- known for not doing a lot of -- interior. The first thing people last."

" They announces that young people said it's gonna go do it because he's one of ours is known about it Duma but -- on oh. Is way ahead."

" he's ahead though it has been we worked on for months and -- and we start hearing this story was gonna be shorter in the villains they have backups or rather -- to -- sixty pages and but that never -- to happen. And eventually become a mix and match pages we are really sure who is -- which although you get to one of the Jones patient all right and that that that took away from it a little bit in that in that sense of excitement it's supposed. Different velocity that what they decided to use agents in a civil war when when I was just like giving out way behind it just didn't. They've they've made the book last longer or it's your vision she wants it. --"

" So when we get back the break we're gonna talk about what actually happened in the book what good is bad we're gonna have a big Internet site because I'm no clue. Internet site."

" Think you're smarter than the rest prove that you could win big it's mark space and godaddy.com is change we use the Internet the way you blog -- you do business the way you live your life. Create a blogger video store that shows now. You might just went 25000 dollars in cash prize with priest mark space for life. So head over to godaddy.com slash assets contests that are now. Don't have smart base -- it's all about and save an additional 15% through April 15 2009. Use promo code space fifteen to check it out at godaddy.com. Thanks to Netflix sponsored some sort of -- and with Netflix you can rent over 90000 titles online including Blu-ray titles with free shipping both ways to your -- They now have a lower forty shipping centers almost all deliveries happen in one business day. And Netflix plans are 49ers new -- you can no risk two week free trial membership -- check out every dividend dot netflix.com slash iFanboy. Or type in a debit every W news in the code. And more marvel -- DC I don't happen in this year's."

" Well this is probably more polarizing books that's that's come out in."

" Recent -- and be at the recent near comic on the most common question anyone -- Connor was. -- you."

" What -- our crisis right now cars a year. It's if there. So if you're either -- Zito here's what I totally bonkers and now we didn't spoil the -- we're talking -- happened and that's a big difference for help when the series came out -- house and come back -- This sort it was revolving around something would dark side in the fourth world before the new gods you know dying -- that."

" And the rumor was that dark settlement has died Batman she meant when all is said to be out there here. Martian man hunter was -- died. And then that we must."

" It's not yet I hey I am don't want those of the disease. A good handle on this I want you to explain. For every one -- you plot a final crisis."

" Ago okay now this is after I regret it and so it meant a lot more sense the second time through -- men draws on the ground symbol. Which represents the mask that you would have to draw on your face. To become immune to the Internet equation the very first page look into that equation is the mathematical equation that dark side uses to take over. And make. -- GA and make people submit. And his will it's it's it's a mathematical proof that dark sides will is is that is the way to go. And then we we start to see that the new got the return to earth in the forms of of human people. So dark side is in the body of a crime boss mr. miracles and another another body and he goes to find some Japanese superheroes to help him. Ryan is discovered by -- Who was a cop -- metropolis. In -- it -- it will okay Ryan is discovered dead. He's been chopped by Todd then held Jordan is arrested for that murder at some point very. Allen and and Wally west flashes with Jake Eric are right around half out run the black race -- who is death Condit. That man very early on is captured by -- goodness who. Let's get to -- green lantern is taken by the awfully engines back to Lola. And then turns out that the awful -- is really -- election it's raining goodness and that body of that out a lantern and dates echoes their -- the power battery. They don't. -- in bloody haven everything ghost -- there's a section. Things like that where they make humans animal hybrids cal back he's made -- at -- for talking tiger meanwhile over with captain marvel. Who's now Freddie Freeman. He's hanging out with takitani who was also on tiger target on mrs. I have to go in line. On that there's a lot of fighting upload an email to everybody on earth simultaneously because apparently there are no time zones."

" Yeah."

" They got time looser is to get everybody it's it's midday areas and a question worlds are very little -- Even immediately following that. The entire world gets inspected by the -- let buyers wonder woman gets taken over by the into that equation she becomes the head of of hot chicks. Right on dogs all. -- has a meeting with all of the super -- secret society -- and he was taken -- by doing so he gives the living flame. His -- back. By killing. The Russian authorities apparently really it's -- that led to -- record very very good issue which the funeral. Black canary and oracle have some key. Shares of T -- disappears like the lowest blows up there at that the front of the bomb. Lowest close up. So he hangs out with her in the hospital while all this (%expletive) is going down. Keep her alive with you this correct oh oh oh in the beginning there's monitors at the end. Superman hasn't. Machine makes everything good -- breaks out of his his his cage and he shoots the same time now that the tribal but radeon bullet in the dark side well that killer. Okay and he and and and and -- I think of the body of interpreted this point he's just about to be like combats now. And then he issues that -- gets here with the Omega sanctions puts him back to cave man times. Where he goes and he gives his belt to the guy who drew the mask at the beginning -- falls everything goes to hell out and then and then it's really all make a lot of sense until the middle of the seventh issue. When there's another villain who shows up from out of nowhere except. That work that was a sure if I could do it."

" So. Elected they're scrolls. Since the group you're not throw a lot of active you're not wrong. Let -- You heard it usually read all. We elected to -- weeks. -- you that they. But let's be fair or good sure that I think the Romans time and yet -- resists and resisted. That you sort of -- Problem. I was good up until about I think. Probably around fires spa pharmacy S six was when I really caught fire."

" Six -- getting substitute things are happening when I was really setup would be flash -- you really senator -- come back as far as they -- nothing was happening with. And then the other thing is that I really liked what was absolutely brilliant in the villains and actress actually -- on the behind early on."

" And then by issue five or six I sort of feel I. Now I was buying all the time so I sort of feel like. You'll come missing chapters a -- of -- missing things and that's when an incentive was this that was unintelligible."

" And I admit -- or through its regret it. I like that is the balance that I regret we read that Graham or order. For the show confident that the issues that it Nixon's memoirs and hasn't yet I think it's. Judgment tests are right I think the only thing you really needed to understand the ending was this man beyond -- Yeah which we'll explain to build a -- that's total problem. Problem but I think that take -- the end of seven. I think this this historic step of OEE very easily."

" It did but not in the way that it came out I think that it cannot be read that far apart reading it straight through and knowing I mean. Honestly it was -- on second reading. I'm able to pick up the clues and things that are dropped in the first in the beginning of it so I understand what the significance of those were otherwise you really do you feel like you're watching to rent and that it forces short based -- Except it. It in the long regular rhythms of this record that means that laws. Life on but I think reading it struck by. Simple straightforward yes -- Actually what is there a lot of characters -- actually -- handled rather well. And one of the arguments that I had about the last two issues was that I wouldn't change the channel flipping style was was too confusing to bomb -- but it was. Yes it was it actually I was like oh okay this does track. To a certain extent there are things that were covered in some of the other. On books by the likes of me going away which I guess was in in tonight. Considering going away for Israel in 2003. Report as well you were the early this and it's. -- Now I I I. I had read final -- revelations all through I like Gregory. That doesn't seem to fit into the story all complete side tail of some of survivor -- rights apply. But there's no there's a difference though in that -- at some point in congress six or seven. That and on seven that other guy kills. On Specter. And the Angel out of there which doesn't happen that'll also Renee Montoya. Is a main character through final crisis as she's the one who's going gathering other superiors from other dimensions in which she would have no pilot doesn't I don't think that at all. Unless you -- it -- over a base that's maybe she's in -- from the very beginning. Look -- a couple of problems and -- OK I think it's."

" I actually have read through the flash is it's constantly and yeah horrid little bits and he's a very important and the way. I agreed to build up to match what we use them for but he wasn't port. Into -- brown and back was she runs he runs so much faster Wally. A fact which is the time is that all that was -- shot back in time."

" And one thing that's happening is the whole time data can talk about space time continuum around earth. Is crushing so did nothing kind of makes sense which is a little bit of get -- jail free card because. Space konduz and accents all the stuff that's happening in the story is is is now able."

" But all is Berry's attorney wasn't as grand it was possible that he he drove the black race behind this development this'll turn. In this sort of democracy. Rabid makes a big deal that I agree that that she should but but he -- the conference. Book so -- that we broke what is it what does the biggest faults windows that is a big build up of -- this character -- would mastered them. Who has everything. Gathering the villains and balances the scales yet. And that's what got what he was working for dark -- yeah. We never kinda reliever was liberalism -- problem that never sent right but he he. What's revealed at times which in science secret files who -- the secret files seriously I. Seriously. For a while ago -- an -- I've. I mean come on and I have a if you look this book did you this I think he's personable to signify that I have my secret files from looks at La. No basically it's revealed that he's using -- repellent and used -- excitement. Come on. I would like to -- us. -- was hyped up all the press. What's art to brush it under the question there. But it's important serious justice -- yeah yeah for what David he was sort of defeated by Lex -- doctors at. That was the end it's okay -- beginnings of everyone in my way to eat and he's got a whole middle that it makes sense I don't winds up doing. It shows up in. --"

" Because what he did was she was trying to get the villains on his sides that they could fight the heroes and in exchange. They weren't going to be subjected to -- their -- to their free will."

" The release of the home alone and the cover of the -- As a little heavy handed us a quick plot. Suburbs but it is the -- got the fall had been defeat -- that the fourth world is -- there pressure in the fifth world. On at the beginning getting fired from -- trusted the policy of the gods not that brings up or rent this ulcers in the fourth will be if world. The -- ball. That -- allowed out of negates. And -- finally we will finally it's finally gets it's just the beginning. And then it defeated rigorous -- but this debate it's really basic starts adversity here."

" Seem very complicated now now knowing lots -- element I would say -- if you went through a bottle issues and you really are unsatisfied by it. I really would go back and read what -- seven again and see if you feel the same way afterwards you may not enjoy it but I guarantee you. We're not think it was as that is did the first time just added I view. It really really. It's important to being more confused but later issues because I had -- perfect it was very choppy it's it's. Also -- and also the Batman subscriber to view and that's a whole thing but yet are that the economy that some but I had a problem that because one or two things happens is in bad anarchy is there's. Explosion with a helicopter. And then the next guy we know. He's tied up he's like yeah right that actually. It was an issue to -- crisis and tied up in -- thing so there's a panel I guess age is a page in in -- tree which is what after all right -- where he comes and he's like I came out of water -- like I'd miss that -- it's hard to get this had to do the -- which you know now what was good though. -- They're surrounded by that it is rated him -- brilliant is also now so let those of."

" Really great -- is beginning. Yes tell that the Russians the when -- when the delays happened rushed -- if rules then you can actually there's a lot of production problems."

" Later issues last three issues are so there's word blue problems errors cost him problems is coloring problems there's just a consistency where they're trying get -- fast which you know. One page one panel within the within a -- she's not as America goes black hole at this age yeah."

" But added I think some people had a problem with the -- marks and everything's -- kind of approach but I actually you know I don't know all these extra -- sea captain Aaron and Alexi you know like. Karen wacky characters and ideas have that was totally cut."

" Or because it was a multi dimensional story suggest that anything they want to my house. I think you need to let go of the idea that this is of continuity and try to put this -- and everything else doesn't it doesn't."

" Work yup they -- considered the Batman stuff about them all right and apparently I was kind of Monica do everything else this is. Is outside the bubble -- had a story on its own and not worry about it's now."

" But it is it is absolutely is worth going back reading -- because how your off. On and if you really feel unsatisfied given the shot I think it was really fun reading -- it was as if that's safe as a basis action. I love the middle 2123. Want to through its strongest. Guys and I say this is version not terribly well versed in DC but ousted for struggling through it I learned a lot of things are going back I had context for things that that helped. And this is how you learn about a lot of characters who never proceed. So in conclusion."

" I think it it was a good story that was successful president. As an event because of the problems that outside of the story. And it. Take away is that in the page all of the the delay the rumored changes the submission which are quite apparent in as the city's busy originals are now. Ice I have gotten rid -- the final page with Batman is was was the last minute I don't know what I'll editorial. That there's lot of rumors strategy and this story. And I think that really affects epic first half as strong but it's wobbly but still. I've sent -- story I really."

" It's it's really not nearly as bad as it. And I was I was actually reticent to say it's bad because. This remorse you've never tell it really. But the -- it's it's no one -- story for fortunately. So as an issue based thing. Screw the schedule entirely it took too long it didn't work that way. But because you broad street through through you know. So -- into deficits. Means. So if you read it you disagree reasoning clarified very -- salinity I'll explain everything he did you can also contact about amblin outcome. And you can it was today it's. What pages 66 seven don't call of the equation please. -- she hates us let's all. Plus pie. I by the way is the idiot if -- there was any buy anywhere but go back at what dot com and you. Probably see the most amazing. Message board commenting. Maybe ever on this story but also all the other great stuff there podcasts audio podcasts. Content every day it's damn good site -- proud of it. It's just as if."

" Look. It. Okay. Who always did it."

" Yeah."

" War."

" What is final crisis. Moon."

" Thin."

" This -- that I fan boys brought to you by. Godaddy.com. And netflix.com. Have to iFanboy the comic book discussion show from iFanboy dot com I'm Josh from here -- I'm Ron mrs."

" There are talked about prices. Finally finally -- the Big Easy access to give it. A point so. It. Should. -- alleged that. I love the insulation. Anyway so far -- but you. Our story but. -- the network's left marble. Came back DC -- he pitched C users are sort of hyper crisis. -- It used to stand. And nothing that places. You minutes I. What is -- element of its its. Soldiers. And soldiers. While the ministers and it was a budget. Related other products and it issues over the course of the year portraits portrait worth. A bunch of sea level characters start. Orphans she's. People did it people's lives the very highly that's an Irish times that we should. Duels Johnson muzzled some -- I've heard such good things of that between the hard excellent in -- her ideas. Senate -- secretive seven soldiers. -- most of them. So -- half. Though 400 hassled. On -- to balance against the or -- said opposite of what episode conceived as a final crisis. More obstacle to visit to. -- this but it became wrapped up -- crisis trilogy DC created. So it doesn't have ties to her -- split it doesn't conceive that this is brought it later on that you were to happen. Seven soldiers and -- top I didn't very close look for it. And so leading up to it was excited it was forever but I expect -- everyone loves a crisis -- look at the economic. And it was announced that eight artist JG Jones could be argued this but do a lot of terrorism puts it in."

" It turns out he's the reason he did he were to -- previously and marvel and marvel boy which is wonderful. He also at a Goodyear does is not want to movie came out there."

" So that was still the lead up to it was excited remorse and -- ministers of the two run. And it was going to be VP it is big -- for superheroes that that is of Great Britain is its final words -- because I'll. And everyone's excited and -- should hit around at the bottom of this you can mission at some of the browns. The whole event hysteria around comments time and sold tons of its copies in the -- important. One of sixty covers articles really good design it's made things are present at this uniform. Cover treatment. It."

" Very is very uncommon -- with a vertical final crisis on the side and as you look at the issues as they went. The of congress want seven. Topography final crisis -- at the end to those should -- there. Yes it's fun to its -- and very CIA kept not knowing like the first time I've bought like one kind of her next book if it goes I think they had day to cover treatments at the one with the with a painted unions -- Vertical thing with a -- other ones where it was -- The topography in the -- of her poster art that was on that Burton took part was that was cover treatment for the majority of the times but progress is needed to cover iBook the ones paying the."

" It's as a and Nazis if you easier table here we've got a lot of this is not an all the with a real long miniseries known fact what do you think progress that is a lot of time -- tied issues related. Actual series supplements and analysts of this. Via cable -- Once shot -- miniseries and I think that cold side bits and character certain things. And the thing about. Secretive agent was went through lot of books where it's unprecedented walled off. And in mobile."

" Well it was a very big bubble yeah it could affect an inaudible green lantern was going on -- the man -- is the main part of our president obviously his book is is got a whole thing going on right now. That doesn't seem to have affected but and then the other over it was a DC told us that you could -- seven issue voters nieces and yet. And I have to read all the stuff now at the end of that. But. It."

" Adamant about armed service that there was a whole what Qaeda operatives industry which is. -- businesses there's a couple missing a lot of discussion and it was it was a whole -- deep story."

" Going through reading it as they came out. I. Pick and choose which ones I want to read based on my interest of things I didn't I didn't read like. Region three world because I was interested and I was I was on after. I read that anarchy which its ties in with -- it's sort of arm and yes and I read a final crisis revelations which. Really easy tie -- much. -- really was and then we'll get -- it. It was I think it was reading it mildly it was sort of a a breakdown for a lot of fans. As it kept going. People start to lose track of what was going on it started to seem more scattershot. I think as you go through them by time that we got to the sixth and seventh issues. A lot of completely lost track of what was supposed to be happening but it was and there's all sorts of ideas but that the method which Grant Morrison was telling the story. Whether it was useful or not mean that basically yet it was he was showing snippets of things and is his version of channel flipping burgers for during comic books. On. Reading a month to month with some delays. That for me cause a problem I lost track of what was I was I was looking at ways however. In preparation for this what. That blood yeah apparently it did I've got the that you make a sanctions through. Going back and read only 1%. Of final crisis because I want to do it just like that straight through the short time very different experience you."

" Added. Remorse of after it was also Doug said -- if he -- reading list is read it was in order in disorder but that's 1123. You'd have has not yet followed by a -- beyond which one into which was which was to -- have begun to clean up after congress yes walls dissent. Followed by congress for five. Followed by two which is about man column before. That I've followed by congress except that was his -- that's what I did. It's ridiculous show but one thing. That we should note or -- relegated to it is. The delays yes and and it is this is -- seems to beat every netbook and no matter what company put the matter who's on it matter what happens to be an advocate."

" What's funny is that as you joke thought present ones -- more ingenious. Never used -- Washington giants then asserts that kind of breakdown after the third issue and we are seeing great -- Charles -- Moreno -- same thing through five he had -- making involved again Martin did all of them percent mark for Rudy and then add -- did -- all seven. So basic that was achieved for whatever reason do -- Jones couldn't keep up with it was this."

" It looks like he put you put a high profile artists whose whose -- you -- known for not doing a lot of -- interior. The first thing people last."

" They announces that young people said it's gonna go do it because he's one of ours is known about it Duma but -- on oh. Is way ahead."

" he's ahead though it has been we worked on for months and -- and we start hearing this story was gonna be shorter in the villains they have backups or rather -- to -- sixty pages and but that never -- to happen. And eventually become a mix and match pages we are really sure who is -- which although you get to one of the Jones patient all right and that that that took away from it a little bit in that in that sense of excitement it's supposed. Different velocity that what they decided to use agents in a civil war when when I was just like giving out way behind it just didn't. They've they've made the book last longer or it's your vision she wants it. --"

" So when we get back the break we're gonna talk about what actually happened in the book what good is bad we're gonna have a big Internet site because I'm no clue. Internet site."

" Think you're smarter than the rest prove that you could win big it's mark space and godaddy.com is change we use the Internet the way you blog -- you do business the way you live your life. Create a blogger video store that shows now. You might just went 25000 dollars in cash prize with priest mark space for life. So head over to godaddy.com slash assets contests that are now. Don't have smart base -- it's all about and save an additional 15% through April 15 2009. Use promo code space fifteen to check it out at godaddy.com. Thanks to Netflix sponsored some sort of -- and with Netflix you can rent over 90000 titles online including Blu-ray titles with free shipping both ways to your -- They now have a lower forty shipping centers almost all deliveries happen in one business day. And Netflix plans are 49ers new -- you can no risk two week free trial membership -- check out every dividend dot netflix.com slash iFanboy. Or type in a debit every W news in the code. And more marvel -- DC I don't happen in this year's."

" Well this is probably more polarizing books that's that's come out in."

" Recent -- and be at the recent near comic on the most common question anyone -- Connor was. -- you."

" What -- our crisis right now cars a year. It's if there. So if you're either -- Zito here's what I totally bonkers and now we didn't spoil the -- we're talking -- happened and that's a big difference for help when the series came out -- house and come back -- This sort it was revolving around something would dark side in the fourth world before the new gods you know dying -- that."

" And the rumor was that dark settlement has died Batman she meant when all is said to be out there here. Martian man hunter was -- died. And then that we must."

" It's not yet I hey I am don't want those of the disease. A good handle on this I want you to explain. For every one -- you plot a final crisis."

" Ago okay now this is after I regret it and so it meant a lot more sense the second time through -- men draws on the ground symbol. Which represents the mask that you would have to draw on your face. To become immune to the Internet equation the very first page look into that equation is the mathematical equation that dark side uses to take over. And make. -- GA and make people submit. And his will it's it's it's a mathematical proof that dark sides will is is that is the way to go. And then we we start to see that the new got the return to earth in the forms of of human people. So dark side is in the body of a crime boss mr. miracles and another another body and he goes to find some Japanese superheroes to help him. Ryan is discovered by -- Who was a cop -- metropolis. In -- it -- it will okay Ryan is discovered dead. He's been chopped by Todd then held Jordan is arrested for that murder at some point very. Allen and and Wally west flashes with Jake Eric are right around half out run the black race -- who is death Condit. That man very early on is captured by -- goodness who. Let's get to -- green lantern is taken by the awfully engines back to Lola. And then turns out that the awful -- is really -- election it's raining goodness and that body of that out a lantern and dates echoes their -- the power battery. They don't. -- in bloody haven everything ghost -- there's a section. Things like that where they make humans animal hybrids cal back he's made -- at -- for talking tiger meanwhile over with captain marvel. Who's now Freddie Freeman. He's hanging out with takitani who was also on tiger target on mrs. I have to go in line. On that there's a lot of fighting upload an email to everybody on earth simultaneously because apparently there are no time zones."

" Yeah."

" They got time looser is to get everybody it's it's midday areas and a question worlds are very little -- Even immediately following that. The entire world gets inspected by the -- let buyers wonder woman gets taken over by the into that equation she becomes the head of of hot chicks. Right on dogs all. -- has a meeting with all of the super -- secret society -- and he was taken -- by doing so he gives the living flame. His -- back. By killing. The Russian authorities apparently really it's -- that led to -- record very very good issue which the funeral. Black canary and oracle have some key. Shares of T -- disappears like the lowest blows up there at that the front of the bomb. Lowest close up. So he hangs out with her in the hospital while all this (%expletive) is going down. Keep her alive with you this correct oh oh oh in the beginning there's monitors at the end. Superman hasn't. Machine makes everything good -- breaks out of his his his cage and he shoots the same time now that the tribal but radeon bullet in the dark side well that killer. Okay and he and and and and -- I think of the body of interpreted this point he's just about to be like combats now. And then he issues that -- gets here with the Omega sanctions puts him back to cave man times. Where he goes and he gives his belt to the guy who drew the mask at the beginning -- falls everything goes to hell out and then and then it's really all make a lot of sense until the middle of the seventh issue. When there's another villain who shows up from out of nowhere except. That work that was a sure if I could do it."

" So. Elected they're scrolls. Since the group you're not throw a lot of active you're not wrong. Let -- You heard it usually read all. We elected to -- weeks. -- you that they. But let's be fair or good sure that I think the Romans time and yet -- resists and resisted. That you sort of -- Problem. I was good up until about I think. Probably around fires spa pharmacy S six was when I really caught fire."

" Six -- getting substitute things are happening when I was really setup would be flash -- you really senator -- come back as far as they -- nothing was happening with. And then the other thing is that I really liked what was absolutely brilliant in the villains and actress actually -- on the behind early on."

" And then by issue five or six I sort of feel I. Now I was buying all the time so I sort of feel like. You'll come missing chapters a -- of -- missing things and that's when an incentive was this that was unintelligible."

" And I admit -- or through its regret it. I like that is the balance that I regret we read that Graham or order. For the show confident that the issues that it Nixon's memoirs and hasn't yet I think it's. Judgment tests are right I think the only thing you really needed to understand the ending was this man beyond -- Yeah which we'll explain to build a -- that's total problem. Problem but I think that take -- the end of seven. I think this this historic step of OEE very easily."

" It did but not in the way that it came out I think that it cannot be read that far apart reading it straight through and knowing I mean. Honestly it was -- on second reading. I'm able to pick up the clues and things that are dropped in the first in the beginning of it so I understand what the significance of those were otherwise you really do you feel like you're watching to rent and that it forces short based -- Except it. It in the long regular rhythms of this record that means that laws. Life on but I think reading it struck by. Simple straightforward yes -- Actually what is there a lot of characters -- actually -- handled rather well. And one of the arguments that I had about the last two issues was that I wouldn't change the channel flipping style was was too confusing to bomb -- but it was. Yes it was it actually I was like oh okay this does track. To a certain extent there are things that were covered in some of the other. On books by the likes of me going away which I guess was in in tonight. Considering going away for Israel in 2003. Report as well you were the early this and it's. -- Now I I I. I had read final -- revelations all through I like Gregory. That doesn't seem to fit into the story all complete side tail of some of survivor -- rights apply. But there's no there's a difference though in that -- at some point in congress six or seven. That and on seven that other guy kills. On Specter. And the Angel out of there which doesn't happen that'll also Renee Montoya. Is a main character through final crisis as she's the one who's going gathering other superiors from other dimensions in which she would have no pilot doesn't I don't think that at all. Unless you -- it -- over a base that's maybe she's in -- from the very beginning. Look -- a couple of problems and -- OK I think it's."

" I actually have read through the flash is it's constantly and yeah horrid little bits and he's a very important and the way. I agreed to build up to match what we use them for but he wasn't port. Into -- brown and back was she runs he runs so much faster Wally. A fact which is the time is that all that was -- shot back in time."

" And one thing that's happening is the whole time data can talk about space time continuum around earth. Is crushing so did nothing kind of makes sense which is a little bit of get -- jail free card because. Space konduz and accents all the stuff that's happening in the story is is is now able."

" But all is Berry's attorney wasn't as grand it was possible that he he drove the black race behind this development this'll turn. In this sort of democracy. Rabid makes a big deal that I agree that that she should but but he -- the conference. Book so -- that we broke what is it what does the biggest faults windows that is a big build up of -- this character -- would mastered them. Who has everything. Gathering the villains and balances the scales yet. And that's what got what he was working for dark -- yeah. We never kinda reliever was liberalism -- problem that never sent right but he he. What's revealed at times which in science secret files who -- the secret files seriously I. Seriously. For a while ago -- an -- I've. I mean come on and I have a if you look this book did you this I think he's personable to signify that I have my secret files from looks at La. No basically it's revealed that he's using -- repellent and used -- excitement. Come on. I would like to -- us. -- was hyped up all the press. What's art to brush it under the question there. But it's important serious justice -- yeah yeah for what David he was sort of defeated by Lex -- doctors at. That was the end it's okay -- beginnings of everyone in my way to eat and he's got a whole middle that it makes sense I don't winds up doing. It shows up in. --"

" Because what he did was she was trying to get the villains on his sides that they could fight the heroes and in exchange. They weren't going to be subjected to -- their -- to their free will."

" The release of the home alone and the cover of the -- As a little heavy handed us a quick plot. Suburbs but it is the -- got the fall had been defeat -- that the fourth world is -- there pressure in the fifth world. On at the beginning getting fired from -- trusted the policy of the gods not that brings up or rent this ulcers in the fourth will be if world. The -- ball. That -- allowed out of negates. And -- finally we will finally it's finally gets it's just the beginning. And then it defeated rigorous -- but this debate it's really basic starts adversity here."

" Seem very complicated now now knowing lots -- element I would say -- if you went through a bottle issues and you really are unsatisfied by it. I really would go back and read what -- seven again and see if you feel the same way afterwards you may not enjoy it but I guarantee you. We're not think it was as that is did the first time just added I view. It really really. It's important to being more confused but later issues because I had -- perfect it was very choppy it's it's. Also -- and also the Batman subscriber to view and that's a whole thing but yet are that the economy that some but I had a problem that because one or two things happens is in bad anarchy is there's. Explosion with a helicopter. And then the next guy we know. He's tied up he's like yeah right that actually. It was an issue to -- crisis and tied up in -- thing so there's a panel I guess age is a page in in -- tree which is what after all right -- where he comes and he's like I came out of water -- like I'd miss that -- it's hard to get this had to do the -- which you know now what was good though. -- They're surrounded by that it is rated him -- brilliant is also now so let those of."

" Really great -- is beginning. Yes tell that the Russians the when -- when the delays happened rushed -- if rules then you can actually there's a lot of production problems."

" Later issues last three issues are so there's word blue problems errors cost him problems is coloring problems there's just a consistency where they're trying get -- fast which you know. One page one panel within the within a -- she's not as America goes black hole at this age yeah."

" But added I think some people had a problem with the -- marks and everything's -- kind of approach but I actually you know I don't know all these extra -- sea captain Aaron and Alexi you know like. Karen wacky characters and ideas have that was totally cut."

" Or because it was a multi dimensional story suggest that anything they want to my house. I think you need to let go of the idea that this is of continuity and try to put this -- and everything else doesn't it doesn't."

" Work yup they -- considered the Batman stuff about them all right and apparently I was kind of Monica do everything else this is. Is outside the bubble -- had a story on its own and not worry about it's now."

" But it is it is absolutely is worth going back reading -- because how your off. On and if you really feel unsatisfied given the shot I think it was really fun reading -- it was as if that's safe as a basis action. I love the middle 2123. Want to through its strongest. Guys and I say this is version not terribly well versed in DC but ousted for struggling through it I learned a lot of things are going back I had context for things that that helped. And this is how you learn about a lot of characters who never proceed. So in conclusion."

" I think it it was a good story that was successful president. As an event because of the problems that outside of the story. And it. Take away is that in the page all of the the delay the rumored changes the submission which are quite apparent in as the city's busy originals are now. Ice I have gotten rid -- the final page with Batman is was was the last minute I don't know what I'll editorial. That there's lot of rumors strategy and this story. And I think that really affects epic first half as strong but it's wobbly but still. I've sent -- story I really."

" It's it's really not nearly as bad as it. And I was I was actually reticent to say it's bad because. This remorse you've never tell it really. But the -- it's it's no one -- story for fortunately. So as an issue based thing. Screw the schedule entirely it took too long it didn't work that way. But because you broad street through through you know. So -- into deficits. Means. So if you read it you disagree reasoning clarified very -- salinity I'll explain everything he did you can also contact about amblin outcome. And you can it was today it's. What pages 66 seven don't call of the equation please. -- she hates us let's all. Plus pie. I by the way is the idiot if -- there was any buy anywhere but go back at what dot com and you. Probably see the most amazing. Message board commenting. Maybe ever on this story but also all the other great stuff there podcasts audio podcasts. Content every day it's damn good site -- proud of it. It's just as if."

" Look. It. Okay. Who always did it."

" Yeah."

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Started discussion: March 18, 2009 @ 12:34am GMT

Episode 113 - Final Crisis! [Discussion]

This week, iFanboy takes a look at Grant Morrison's audacious DC Comics' event, Final Crisis, and answers the big questions... like, what the heck was that all about?

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Everyone loves a Crisis, especially DC Comics!

In the past year's most polarizing comic book series, Grant Morrison took the DC Universe on a dark ride that featured the "death" of one of the world's most recognizable fictional characters, and the return of one of comicdom's most beloved characters, back from the dead after nearly 25 years. Was it a success? Was it a failure? Was it somewhere in-between? iFanboy covers all your Final Crisis bases this week, and not surprisingly, come to three (somewhat) different conclusions.

The Mangaman
11 months ago
Dude I'm so there .... but first I need to get a job....

I need the $$$ but until then I refuse to touch a single issue because I plan on buying big with my triumphant return to my comic shop. ^^! HUZZAH!
GabeJa
11 months ago
A great desision I made was when a new issue came out, I would read every issue that preceded it. THis began cause I forgot who a character was, I think a moniter or somin. Either way, I really loved this story inna final analysis. Was hoping the ifanboys would say if they liked it more or less than secret invasion. In comparison, here, IMO is an indisputibal fact; Final Crisis is very re-readable. Each time one reads it, they probably will pick up on something new. Secret Invasion, I do not believe one could read more than once.

So. inna final analysis, which did y'all like more. Also, who exactly is Talki Tawny? I'm also curious if anyone like marv wolfman or denny o'neal have said what they think of final crisis
voodoomama
11 months ago
I want to get back into the DC universe and though this would be a good place to start. Good god was I wrong. Although you guys make the confusion seem much more hilarious. it is still a big ball of wtf. I cant say it was bad, but i also cant say it was good because there was so much going on you feel like you must have missed something somewhere.
GabeJa
11 months ago
Yes, Final Crisis is not a good jumping on point for the DCU. Let me repeat, Final Crisis is NOT a good jumping on point for the DCU. If you still want to hop on, I'd recomend picking up Flash Rebirth in a couple of weeks. If you want to start on GL, pick up the Sinestro corps war and Secret Origin, and I think you will be all good. Maybe you'll have to find about three back issues. Not hard.
Labor_Days
11 months ago
No company event book is a good jumping on point. Comic events are hardcore fan porn. They are the worst jumping on point.

Why anyone would think otherwise is beyond me.
miyamotofreak
11 months ago
I also "jumped on" with Final Crisis. I was all good until about issue 5. Ugh. But yeah I totally agree 1-3 were great. I didn't read the side stuff unfortunately.
voodoomama
11 months ago
In reply to Labor_Days:
No company event book is a good jumping on point. Comic events are hardcore fan porn. They are the worst jumping on point.

Why anyone would think otherwise is beyond me.

Well i'm not a total DC novice I was at one time a avid follower of all the big three as well as Flash and Green Arrow, but finances demanded that i drop out of comics. When i started back most the titles i picked up again were Marvel, Darkhorse and Image. So thought that final Crisis would be a good way to get me all excited and back on the DC badwagon. Still so confused. But muddling through. Cant wait for the Flash rebirth btw.
Labor_Days
11 months ago
Everything publishers say about their event books is bullshit. EVERYTHING.
GabeJa
11 months ago
OH, and if anyone can tell me what exactly happened in Superman Beyond, it would be greatly appriciated.
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