" There's Susan you looked up at a crazy."

" The great. That there."

" I don't see anyone or. -- you missed."

" This one really fire protection -- once."

" And -- freak me out. Hey welcome -- video podcasts from the -- looks -- she sat up and -- dot com I'm Connor here with."

" Not I'm -- And today I'm not our show -- a little kind of vote a little deep in a concept and making comics -- say it immediately created -- so -- with -- so -- For those you who might be -- of film or TV set and there's a concept called the fourth war. And what that means is that it's a post modern kind of concept of story telling. Where you involve the audience in the in the name comes from the idea and -- TV or movies you see three walls in the fourth wall as the camera. And quite often you see. Instances where the characters talk to the camera talked to the audience starts losing -- example -- workers -- addressed the audience so what's on the markets -- all the time. You know they kind of look into the camera and -- This is -- this is isn't a concept that's new to comment and fact and leave comments are one of the trend setters in this idea breaking the fourth wall. -- So really into the concept breaking the fourth wall and comics started with Marvel Comics in the sixties. Come. In the early sixties the rest of our knowledge yes. It's. They weren't there in the early sixties and -- the comic scene there was DC comics Marvel Comics and what separated -- and I'm sure but he's heard all those elements and again is that Marvel Comics set there are heroes in the real world put that in Manhattan. In New York where close to DC where. Metropolis. Starts only work really yeah. But so what happened was that we had characters interacting with us you know in our world you know the president was Kennedy at the time in the early sixties it wasn't some fictional presently -- DC a lot. And fantastic four was -- was the kind of the first bomb modern marvel and Marvel Comics title. And I was also the kind of trend -- in this constant rate in the fourth wall fantastic four number ten. Actually featured. That Stanley and Jack Kirby the -- In the issue. Uncover that like to cover it was one of those great classic kind of still -- covers where -- what's happening in the book you know like mister fantastic laundry and Obama -- they say and for the first time need to craters and the fantastic four senate to act in these two guys kind of it's easy C intended with -- to the camera. And they're talking about how good the cover looks round and what they did was they introduced Marvel Comics is an entity in the marvel universe so it was almost then they became aware of the fact that there were people making comments about these heroes in this universe in the comics that we're reading about them. He gets got my -- It hurts if they took it to the point where any any kind of didn't because of the time Stanley was some was building this kind of cult of marble. He's created bullpen."

" All the way -- of the way of differentiated from DC Wesson makes you feel like you're part of the club rent so if the comic book talk to you. Yeah and addressed you directly to you felt like you were -- sort of involves lives you know people doing there was as a --"

" More recently did video is also picked up I think -- right in and but what was interesting was that because now cassava and India can do that conventions through the Internet. Didn't have vessel had was the comment is for an accident so. What -- did was they they -- the letters page Thompson took a lot of letters from fans and answer them and they traded a cult of their personality and he took it at one step -- actually putting themselves into the comics there were several issues fantastic four and Spiderman and daredevil things and and that -- the creators. Existed he never saw the faces is always a silhouetted in -- the most famous example actually this is recanted in and out Ross and Kurt he's accountable marvelously talented -- not particularly hesitant. Is. Active when it happened at the wedding of cease Thorman -- a fantastic four there's a panel where stand -- Jack trying to get into the Church and they get turned away. And it's the -- like we create these people can we go to the wedding -- they can't expect -- marvels of the they're presenting herself an adult that's the thinking -- is that fine line to walk and a in the in the early -- standpoint I think it was a little more so than those kind of joking here but it it kind of paved the way to -- and as a -- point. So what happens is that -- hostile kind of Clinton's -- in the sixties and seventies in the in the example the seventies that I remembered most fondly was actually the pages of nova. Which is a serious this is -- series we have in the essentials -- none of them on one. You know and number five. It's after its -- issued after he -- writer gets his powers nova he's kind of funny he's gone through the origin and a volcano I can do. He's still -- Long Island anyway of course this despite -- want to make money. So he flies into Manhattan and goes tomorrow comics is -- about me. And he meets Marv -- And writer and the writer in the booklet and marble windows the number of people who are you -- and there are reasons Sonoma does that -- a name for himself. And it comes back and Marmol who goes okay you're not in the name let's talk standing on Stanley's office -- and the book in San passes. And so this is a went there -- book yeah. -- it's reasonably good. And so it's it's this idea -- of the world inside the world and in this -- of breaking wave between the characters in their -- is really what you know kind of you know an audience fills our involvement and making the characters aware of the fact that the -- exists in these fifteen -- gets further explored into the eighties. And one one and it -- you know things again marvel is paving the way I'm doing this. -- And they end -- famous covers she Letterman on the cover kind of addressing the audience introducing these vendors in. And the smallest main characters aware of the fact that this month was -- mouth positions and others with him over. And it -- again -- but I'm -- how comets -- made it."

" Let us for the are flying now. It's interesting because like. Councils that from back -- or you can you can take chances he whacked here this -- if you had a whole month now what they just went like goofy people what will it."

" The last -- of that was when Marmol did enough said Monday when it when there -- no they did all silent as -- blood and he let out -- you know there was -- that they can carry other current storyline NC there is to do something like that this -- out of gas and utilities and I."

" It went well trained when you put that it doesn't. Sacramento because GUSU. Netflix. It was -- your -- funny I was just watching it Irish. You know -- my computer and I dispute -- Actually we're word -- you're like corporate work well. That's not -- who is the Senate or an ethics. -- Two week free trial building you know he's not breaking -- walked."

" Luckily in this house is -- in the fourth. Wall of -- and gotten way more mature way more almost elegant and and and -- exclusion -- Osama Holmgren didn't goofy exactly and one of the best examples actually finally came from DC to DC sub defense and one of our favorite books. Yet this one. Where is it in the marvel stuff they talking about it was almost like."

" It wasn't talking up the metaphysical idea of that there's somebody watching you is more like. We just going to police these characters in the world and by putting themselves and they're saying that they live in the same world as you do theoretically. Where is it an old man is basically it's this three volumes -- not sure how many issues there was this three trades which I get now on. Where the characters slowly becomes aware that he is a comic book character being written by guy whose name is grant Morrison. And it's."

" All these sort of I and being watched by get out of the people all the time yeah. Anyway it's creepy business is this idea self awareness and its its its its wholly different from the models found that night. Slowly as you read this starts to hide from me was -- creep me out in the moment in the book where he realizes and currency reserves. It yeah -- I was like yeah we're gonna."

" I think it's not. Not what you see here because -- we look at the cover of the third book even a second book I mean he's being unraveled by hand yeah that's the Brian bonds and and supposedly bad on the then you know there's grant Morrison on the cover in these you know. This is the it's it's. But it's about the journey that the guy goes through its funny because the but the whole time he does -- still in the DC universe proper stock funds fighting and I don't nobody's finding out about. His characters like it's sort of comments on rebooting and and you know like how but that the timeline."

" Past doesn't make any sense that it it also reaches its nadir of the final -- of the series when he actually -- about Morrison's house -- face of this kind of hole a hole like finalist who has just haven't had a chat with us with grant Morrison just like."

" And and it was -- we're really -- his -- her horses -- it was late eighties early ninety's yes -- immediately yeah -- those -- now has -- today a reputation as a writer for the kind of the wacky kind of make it had heard pretend I think about things -- but and it's really kind of sorry dad but in no way that was really really smart."

" Who is buried. It clear like his I'd like you could tell his idea it was there from the beginning is serious. The whole thing is a straight line through it didn't ever. He's very focused again on the goal of getting to this point yet. And I -- One of the reasons that it works really well especially now is that the art style which if you if you look at it now looks it looks of -- and a pond. And if you receive this in a book now they would get somebody on who was very. Who's very modern medium impressionistic like he's just had a certain south but because this looked exactly like all the other superhero comics of the time. That that actually makes it work better yet because if you're not expecting it out of that because the thing is if you had seen. You know like some sort of more patiently style where it's like realistic then. I think I expected more again and they just shows straight up superhero. -- Gesture of conduct Angel and his with Monica think. Oh mark Carr can tell us you know it's just it's strictly art is not you know it doesn't it doesn't --"

" It's a mind blowing thing yeah about it we've. Revealed that if you if you read and look through don't know it's coming in Bozeman I did -- and -- were actually talk more in depth about -- and I -- to show. Iraq."

" It would good -- wrong you know or -- twenty minutes ago. Well if you eat investigation which he's an idiot is that you -- goons would if problems are. Start your Richard -- yeah although you know. Go Danny had ordered okay act not commented Cuba Iraq and -- blah -- and who would say 10% on your purchase and it. Now I've already done. The more you keep that you don't. Yes you mr. and mrs. finished -- watcher person. -- intensity Kyrgyzstan a billion. So is it really necessary if just as they have ever -- to."

" Tomorrow we'll have a similar in that -- interacting with the character was she home."

" Yes and sensational she -- about the same time here in the eighties -- nineties by John burns another big name a big name in comics. Took more humorous statement."

" part of a community like. -- The crater not like in the fantastic four model where -- looking at him but she knows that there's somebody above her constantly sort of -- sort of argument -- had an immediate. -- it's still sort of philosophical do you suggest that number has some sort of a god complex. To the -- by the it's yes the stubborn you know maybe to support its. Suharto's comments obviously she hoped it's -- it was a community event because Panama for the kind of against concept but it got just kind of is -- at times in it became this kind of question anyone here wanna do what my motivations. Surprisingly this constant kind of went away in the ninety's. We do so yeah exactly well as the as people questioned the quality of the ninety's and you know -- a little before that nine the elderly and ready and another thing after she held and after animal man in the -- ninety's you see a lot of -- kind of handy. Move up and concepts that history accidentally -- started going that direction. Everybody pushed back back to action backyard and back to kind of went back to extract -- now that we're back in the hello. The sixth you'll actually sticking alleged straps and in the in the 21 century in his carry."

" Here from another moral character named -- cool. -- Scott -- straps -- you know drunk actually traded by rob light filled the little feature that he gum at the -- been involved in the ninety's and early two thousands as having a bit of he's -- with a -- We're kind of you know -- running commentary kind of sparky you know narrator is on there. What what's happened in recent runs is that. Dead pool would speak directly to the audience is almost is like he's aware that there's an audience but not. Reacting just kind of return to that it be like Carly I'll think yeah -- the latest -- whatever to the point where other characters in the story isn't going to court yeah. And it became it became a very comedic device but it involved -- the reader in in the -- Which was really uninteresting because. In Digital's large and he's just a mercenary -- lots of guns and that the union on the -- like -- characters and the involvement into this kind of you know breaking the fourth -- kind you know most modern character. You really do until -- and a lot of -- says it's a lot of work with it a lot of writers played with the --"

" It's funny because. You know -- the fourth call it. -- I can't use it to have marriage -- the main character narrates the book or you're getting their head and that's something but that's sort of a very basic version of these problems that sort of."

" Take is that for a yes exactly and in terms and narration is another book on the we've talked country just opened a Casanova. I image comics written by Matt fraction. Where he'll use the break the fourth wall to help recap and bring the audience up to speed. So much so actually he's been drawn in our team and says he's he's acting director -- managed to. Look directly at the audience and say. This person was an issue it was almost is like the narrator the asterisk it's a whole panel and it's got him and -- credit him but you resume and in the fact that he's the executive editor of image is nothing to do the story isn't it just all of a sudden there's a recap addressing the audience saying when he rejects the -- which is which is a device that it's still kind of interesting and and that was smart kind of --"

" He's -- noticed that the you know season and and veteran Jake slash the way. And we want. But yet and it. Well there aren't here for instance. I wanted -- friends. Here that's and purposes I yours is used you know. --"

" They're the most recently given a couple really interesting kind of -- on this concept one that we're talking earlier was character of the century. Com dissension is -- character com and his origin almost had a post modern world."

" I was having hoax thing -- try to pull where even in wizard was it printed that they found these lost pages from the fantastic -- scare in the sixties created. Bet that that knowing who and so that's what they start -- you know and so -- that the characters idea like everybody used to knowing that they don't now. And then if that you start to become aware that this entry news or is that it is some fact that he isn't a comic book that matters that. And then -- had this. In the new -- took that. A step further and anyway had a conversation politics -- politics who -- dissenting vote could not and hopes it 2000 all politics and Julie. Did a beautiful book that was slightly confusing. Cannot reactivate humans run. -- and then this relate dormant for a little while hasn't it -- to do with them and then there was -- news -- business -- that. Quiet so they think oh they find bar Paul Jenkins what what happens."

" Is a century is like it was meant to -- with -- Superman character and that marvelous and the power of a million exploding sounds exactly and he had to Yeltsin yellow costume of the NASA tape he's very much is -- he's blond. He's very much the Superman and how crazy but -- in the end he's crazy schizophrenic she's -- phobic he's got all these kind of every kind of things. And in the new managers and page news manager is on key basically. He's villain whose is comfortable lead is within negative kind of representation -- blond hair yeah. It basically there's a lot of destruction on the isolated down does this guy who who claims he's essentially he's a superhero and claims its friends."

" claims he's friends with. -- Richards and turns that his -- hasn't -- everyone's memories that it is known that memory on the only memory of a character in the century in the Marvel Comics is a series of comments written by Paul Jackson Jenkins in the marvel universe called century. And so it becomes this. Really big circle -- well yeah and she moved to the point of bringing Paul Jenkins into the comic where -- in this cave and garments like triple that I can say here's what activities like I wrote you. You don't exist you know so becomes idea of existence and what is existence that somebody writes you. Does that mean character exists and then when you introduced that concept of existing in the universe and characters exist doesn't exist in the becomes this kind of even though it is now it --"

" That's ahead. But -- So it was really kind of just in Miami and and it was a way to explain what character was there but again -- treated in the Marvel Comics -- in the moral universe and all kind of deal. Most recently though and the book that -- kicked off this this whole show idea was a book on published by a DC comics as a -- thirteen. And what it did was it was written by Brian as -- Michael -- And coming artist of -- yes. And -- hum. And you are a bunch of shots short stories that were com published details of the unexpected which I'm really hurt and I is one of those same romantic side yeah PC world and what was is that it was -- and -- tend -- moneys and you gotta read us some Watson it's animal man but for comics. And I said that that and I just how men as acrylic but I am woman is -- you know trust me it's elementary comics like okay. So certainly an historian is a story this doctor who's like a kind of paranormal paranormal doctor and he discovers this kind of -- He did thirteen has been around as much 51. Oh isn't an easy in this sadly it was established he's been around a long time it shows up in the seventies he's he's not yet can -- this that's for. And what they did was an aunt throws and made up character in there and it starts his journey that's really wacky journey that."

" Spanish pirates on -- flying pirate ship. Ghost confederate soldier. The a group of not C guerrillas not Nazi chimps that are lost in the wilderness. It's this wacky kind of -- that they take through onto the DC universe which -- is exploring their existence is a little boy character whose country the -- childhoods Superman kind of cost him. We get the sense has the answer is. And the reason why we're bringing up is because at the end of the book is a big fight more than basically fighting for their existence where this kind of overarching force has seen that all these characters will no longer exist except for doctor king's daughter that she's been accepted -- in this unique new university is how hot. He hits and what starts off has been fighting this -- representation mount Rushmore. Evolves and Morse and it's never exactly. Exactly this but it's strongly suggested that the four heads of mount Rushmore or more to create. The heads of grant Morrison Geoff Johns mark wade and -- Cabrera who are the guys behind 52 who have been kind of architecture that is Sierra exactly the architects in the new DC universe and docked at thirteen is in this battle with the artist -- universe to. Fight for his existence in this universe."

" Blew me away when I tend to -- look at that and -- thought and for a moment I thought this is really inside. How inside is this is that house windows and an amusing is that I thought yeah. And it wasn't for just a moment yeah. The rest of -- yeah Idaho furthermore it was written by Brian as a local I don't. We connect with them DC superhero proper kind of universe so it just it hit me on a whole bunch of different levels are."

" Idea the idea it was just an of these these little known tend to be fight credit life for becoming Ret conned out. It was interesting idea -- that's. And if you needed me he was just saying this much yeah. The navy this much."

" Also little system that is often don't scale it's really really really hot now I was surprised that he didn't and that it -- print ads either so Clinton collected edition."

" I'm yet and I never heard of it to happen I don't like it just -- from from out of nowhere. I mean."

" I want that had an artist has could change we've we've said before we're huge fans think -- he recently is on his own hungry now about to marry this awesome. -- is beautiful and at one point later on in the sword when after we see these tens and not rush toward the -- Then they become their own entities and each had masks of the characters didn't solution antiviruses if not I guess that it is sort of a reverse on the fourth wall thing I would hate to be -- Chang. Yeah you have to draw these guys that you would do want to work we -- Act like that's just too much -- us and got got -- Morrison and Batman mask that you got. Was mark winds and flash -- SOI com just remember it's a man in and -- what was the Rockingham period with. That wasn't that NATO was questioned -- it -- yeah. Lots -- all the book itself I really enjoyed because of the very post modern kind of wonder woman one woman one moment. He's so calm and doesn't ten. It but it was it was a -- very fun kind of like. Trick behind the scenes in DC DC universe and -- I identified Antara identified doctor thirteen the other parent as a vampire character who -- for it was well known sort. Up until the point where approach the fourth wall and kind of had to choreograph sect. But even then it and it's a -- Europe was enough for me enjoy about these investing in the world but I'm just surprised that they did something this kind of anti. I think at some point of -- it's actually faster and a man like you didn't do any Pam had a point explorers -- is -- right. Funny your boss' death -- and print the printing at least it. The bizarre but it could -- coming newsletter this exactly fit. It's not. So I'm that we've also export pointless -- this -- And so if you bomb if you have any questions about existence or metaphysical stuff. You're -- you can also contact that I am an icon that -- probably better website -- people with degrees. Or you can call and it was no 88 and -- which is 3262697."

" And -- more dot com let me try to -- the show and you go to revision three dot com for the forms definite forms of heated discussion there you can discuss more sort lost."

" And numb. I think somebody behind the cameras -- sentinel credits which obviously but yeah."

" It's a light up. And and some of the telephone off. From my home."

" On the top and explain the constant."

" There's Susan you looked up at a crazy."

" The great. That there."

" I don't see anyone or. -- you missed."

" This one really fire protection -- once."

" And -- freak me out. Hey welcome -- video podcasts from the -- looks -- she sat up and -- dot com I'm Connor here with."

" Not I'm -- And today I'm not our show -- a little kind of vote a little deep in a concept and making comics -- say it immediately created -- so -- with -- so -- For those you who might be -- of film or TV set and there's a concept called the fourth war. And what that means is that it's a post modern kind of concept of story telling. Where you involve the audience in the in the name comes from the idea and -- TV or movies you see three walls in the fourth wall as the camera. And quite often you see. Instances where the characters talk to the camera talked to the audience starts losing -- example -- workers -- addressed the audience so what's on the markets -- all the time. You know they kind of look into the camera and -- This is -- this is isn't a concept that's new to comment and fact and leave comments are one of the trend setters in this idea breaking the fourth wall. -- So really into the concept breaking the fourth wall and comics started with Marvel Comics in the sixties. Come. In the early sixties the rest of our knowledge yes. It's. They weren't there in the early sixties and -- the comic scene there was DC comics Marvel Comics and what separated -- and I'm sure but he's heard all those elements and again is that Marvel Comics set there are heroes in the real world put that in Manhattan. In New York where close to DC where. Metropolis. Starts only work really yeah. But so what happened was that we had characters interacting with us you know in our world you know the president was Kennedy at the time in the early sixties it wasn't some fictional presently -- DC a lot. And fantastic four was -- was the kind of the first bomb modern marvel and Marvel Comics title. And I was also the kind of trend -- in this constant rate in the fourth wall fantastic four number ten. Actually featured. That Stanley and Jack Kirby the -- In the issue. Uncover that like to cover it was one of those great classic kind of still -- covers where -- what's happening in the book you know like mister fantastic laundry and Obama -- they say and for the first time need to craters and the fantastic four senate to act in these two guys kind of it's easy C intended with -- to the camera. And they're talking about how good the cover looks round and what they did was they introduced Marvel Comics is an entity in the marvel universe so it was almost then they became aware of the fact that there were people making comments about these heroes in this universe in the comics that we're reading about them. He gets got my -- It hurts if they took it to the point where any any kind of didn't because of the time Stanley was some was building this kind of cult of marble. He's created bullpen."

" All the way -- of the way of differentiated from DC Wesson makes you feel like you're part of the club rent so if the comic book talk to you. Yeah and addressed you directly to you felt like you were -- sort of involves lives you know people doing there was as a --"

" More recently did video is also picked up I think -- right in and but what was interesting was that because now cassava and India can do that conventions through the Internet. Didn't have vessel had was the comment is for an accident so. What -- did was they they -- the letters page Thompson took a lot of letters from fans and answer them and they traded a cult of their personality and he took it at one step -- actually putting themselves into the comics there were several issues fantastic four and Spiderman and daredevil things and and that -- the creators. Existed he never saw the faces is always a silhouetted in -- the most famous example actually this is recanted in and out Ross and Kurt he's accountable marvelously talented -- not particularly hesitant. Is. Active when it happened at the wedding of cease Thorman -- a fantastic four there's a panel where stand -- Jack trying to get into the Church and they get turned away. And it's the -- like we create these people can we go to the wedding -- they can't expect -- marvels of the they're presenting herself an adult that's the thinking -- is that fine line to walk and a in the in the early -- standpoint I think it was a little more so than those kind of joking here but it it kind of paved the way to -- and as a -- point. So what happens is that -- hostile kind of Clinton's -- in the sixties and seventies in the in the example the seventies that I remembered most fondly was actually the pages of nova. Which is a serious this is -- series we have in the essentials -- none of them on one. You know and number five. It's after its -- issued after he -- writer gets his powers nova he's kind of funny he's gone through the origin and a volcano I can do. He's still -- Long Island anyway of course this despite -- want to make money. So he flies into Manhattan and goes tomorrow comics is -- about me. And he meets Marv -- And writer and the writer in the booklet and marble windows the number of people who are you -- and there are reasons Sonoma does that -- a name for himself. And it comes back and Marmol who goes okay you're not in the name let's talk standing on Stanley's office -- and the book in San passes. And so this is a went there -- book yeah. -- it's reasonably good. And so it's it's this idea -- of the world inside the world and in this -- of breaking wave between the characters in their -- is really what you know kind of you know an audience fills our involvement and making the characters aware of the fact that the -- exists in these fifteen -- gets further explored into the eighties. And one one and it -- you know things again marvel is paving the way I'm doing this. -- And they end -- famous covers she Letterman on the cover kind of addressing the audience introducing these vendors in. And the smallest main characters aware of the fact that this month was -- mouth positions and others with him over. And it -- again -- but I'm -- how comets -- made it."

" Let us for the are flying now. It's interesting because like. Councils that from back -- or you can you can take chances he whacked here this -- if you had a whole month now what they just went like goofy people what will it."

" The last -- of that was when Marmol did enough said Monday when it when there -- no they did all silent as -- blood and he let out -- you know there was -- that they can carry other current storyline NC there is to do something like that this -- out of gas and utilities and I."

" It went well trained when you put that it doesn't. Sacramento because GUSU. Netflix. It was -- your -- funny I was just watching it Irish. You know -- my computer and I dispute -- Actually we're word -- you're like corporate work well. That's not -- who is the Senate or an ethics. -- Two week free trial building you know he's not breaking -- walked."

" Luckily in this house is -- in the fourth. Wall of -- and gotten way more mature way more almost elegant and and and -- exclusion -- Osama Holmgren didn't goofy exactly and one of the best examples actually finally came from DC to DC sub defense and one of our favorite books. Yet this one. Where is it in the marvel stuff they talking about it was almost like."

" It wasn't talking up the metaphysical idea of that there's somebody watching you is more like. We just going to police these characters in the world and by putting themselves and they're saying that they live in the same world as you do theoretically. Where is it an old man is basically it's this three volumes -- not sure how many issues there was this three trades which I get now on. Where the characters slowly becomes aware that he is a comic book character being written by guy whose name is grant Morrison. And it's."

" All these sort of I and being watched by get out of the people all the time yeah. Anyway it's creepy business is this idea self awareness and its its its its wholly different from the models found that night. Slowly as you read this starts to hide from me was -- creep me out in the moment in the book where he realizes and currency reserves. It yeah -- I was like yeah we're gonna."

" I think it's not. Not what you see here because -- we look at the cover of the third book even a second book I mean he's being unraveled by hand yeah that's the Brian bonds and and supposedly bad on the then you know there's grant Morrison on the cover in these you know. This is the it's it's. But it's about the journey that the guy goes through its funny because the but the whole time he does -- still in the DC universe proper stock funds fighting and I don't nobody's finding out about. His characters like it's sort of comments on rebooting and and you know like how but that the timeline."

" Past doesn't make any sense that it it also reaches its nadir of the final -- of the series when he actually -- about Morrison's house -- face of this kind of hole a hole like finalist who has just haven't had a chat with us with grant Morrison just like."

" And and it was -- we're really -- his -- her horses -- it was late eighties early ninety's yes -- immediately yeah -- those -- now has -- today a reputation as a writer for the kind of the wacky kind of make it had heard pretend I think about things -- but and it's really kind of sorry dad but in no way that was really really smart."

" Who is buried. It clear like his I'd like you could tell his idea it was there from the beginning is serious. The whole thing is a straight line through it didn't ever. He's very focused again on the goal of getting to this point yet. And I -- One of the reasons that it works really well especially now is that the art style which if you if you look at it now looks it looks of -- and a pond. And if you receive this in a book now they would get somebody on who was very. Who's very modern medium impressionistic like he's just had a certain south but because this looked exactly like all the other superhero comics of the time. That that actually makes it work better yet because if you're not expecting it out of that because the thing is if you had seen. You know like some sort of more patiently style where it's like realistic then. I think I expected more again and they just shows straight up superhero. -- Gesture of conduct Angel and his with Monica think. Oh mark Carr can tell us you know it's just it's strictly art is not you know it doesn't it doesn't --"

" It's a mind blowing thing yeah about it we've. Revealed that if you if you read and look through don't know it's coming in Bozeman I did -- and -- were actually talk more in depth about -- and I -- to show. Iraq."

" It would good -- wrong you know or -- twenty minutes ago. Well if you eat investigation which he's an idiot is that you -- goons would if problems are. Start your Richard -- yeah although you know. Go Danny had ordered okay act not commented Cuba Iraq and -- blah -- and who would say 10% on your purchase and it. Now I've already done. The more you keep that you don't. Yes you mr. and mrs. finished -- watcher person. -- intensity Kyrgyzstan a billion. So is it really necessary if just as they have ever -- to."

" Tomorrow we'll have a similar in that -- interacting with the character was she home."

" Yes and sensational she -- about the same time here in the eighties -- nineties by John burns another big name a big name in comics. Took more humorous statement."

" part of a community like. -- The crater not like in the fantastic four model where -- looking at him but she knows that there's somebody above her constantly sort of -- sort of argument -- had an immediate. -- it's still sort of philosophical do you suggest that number has some sort of a god complex. To the -- by the it's yes the stubborn you know maybe to support its. Suharto's comments obviously she hoped it's -- it was a community event because Panama for the kind of against concept but it got just kind of is -- at times in it became this kind of question anyone here wanna do what my motivations. Surprisingly this constant kind of went away in the ninety's. We do so yeah exactly well as the as people questioned the quality of the ninety's and you know -- a little before that nine the elderly and ready and another thing after she held and after animal man in the -- ninety's you see a lot of -- kind of handy. Move up and concepts that history accidentally -- started going that direction. Everybody pushed back back to action backyard and back to kind of went back to extract -- now that we're back in the hello. The sixth you'll actually sticking alleged straps and in the in the 21 century in his carry."

" Here from another moral character named -- cool. -- Scott -- straps -- you know drunk actually traded by rob light filled the little feature that he gum at the -- been involved in the ninety's and early two thousands as having a bit of he's -- with a -- We're kind of you know -- running commentary kind of sparky you know narrator is on there. What what's happened in recent runs is that. Dead pool would speak directly to the audience is almost is like he's aware that there's an audience but not. Reacting just kind of return to that it be like Carly I'll think yeah -- the latest -- whatever to the point where other characters in the story isn't going to court yeah. And it became it became a very comedic device but it involved -- the reader in in the -- Which was really uninteresting because. In Digital's large and he's just a mercenary -- lots of guns and that the union on the -- like -- characters and the involvement into this kind of you know breaking the fourth -- kind you know most modern character. You really do until -- and a lot of -- says it's a lot of work with it a lot of writers played with the --"

" It's funny because. You know -- the fourth call it. -- I can't use it to have marriage -- the main character narrates the book or you're getting their head and that's something but that's sort of a very basic version of these problems that sort of."

" Take is that for a yes exactly and in terms and narration is another book on the we've talked country just opened a Casanova. I image comics written by Matt fraction. Where he'll use the break the fourth wall to help recap and bring the audience up to speed. So much so actually he's been drawn in our team and says he's he's acting director -- managed to. Look directly at the audience and say. This person was an issue it was almost is like the narrator the asterisk it's a whole panel and it's got him and -- credit him but you resume and in the fact that he's the executive editor of image is nothing to do the story isn't it just all of a sudden there's a recap addressing the audience saying when he rejects the -- which is which is a device that it's still kind of interesting and and that was smart kind of --"

" He's -- noticed that the you know season and and veteran Jake slash the way. And we want. But yet and it. Well there aren't here for instance. I wanted -- friends. Here that's and purposes I yours is used you know. --"

" They're the most recently given a couple really interesting kind of -- on this concept one that we're talking earlier was character of the century. Com dissension is -- character com and his origin almost had a post modern world."

" I was having hoax thing -- try to pull where even in wizard was it printed that they found these lost pages from the fantastic -- scare in the sixties created. Bet that that knowing who and so that's what they start -- you know and so -- that the characters idea like everybody used to knowing that they don't now. And then if that you start to become aware that this entry news or is that it is some fact that he isn't a comic book that matters that. And then -- had this. In the new -- took that. A step further and anyway had a conversation politics -- politics who -- dissenting vote could not and hopes it 2000 all politics and Julie. Did a beautiful book that was slightly confusing. Cannot reactivate humans run. -- and then this relate dormant for a little while hasn't it -- to do with them and then there was -- news -- business -- that. Quiet so they think oh they find bar Paul Jenkins what what happens."

" Is a century is like it was meant to -- with -- Superman character and that marvelous and the power of a million exploding sounds exactly and he had to Yeltsin yellow costume of the NASA tape he's very much is -- he's blond. He's very much the Superman and how crazy but -- in the end he's crazy schizophrenic she's -- phobic he's got all these kind of every kind of things. And in the new managers and page news manager is on key basically. He's villain whose is comfortable lead is within negative kind of representation -- blond hair yeah. It basically there's a lot of destruction on the isolated down does this guy who who claims he's essentially he's a superhero and claims its friends."

" claims he's friends with. -- Richards and turns that his -- hasn't -- everyone's memories that it is known that memory on the only memory of a character in the century in the Marvel Comics is a series of comments written by Paul Jackson Jenkins in the marvel universe called century. And so it becomes this. Really big circle -- well yeah and she moved to the point of bringing Paul Jenkins into the comic where -- in this cave and garments like triple that I can say here's what activities like I wrote you. You don't exist you know so becomes idea of existence and what is existence that somebody writes you. Does that mean character exists and then when you introduced that concept of existing in the universe and characters exist doesn't exist in the becomes this kind of even though it is now it --"

" That's ahead. But -- So it was really kind of just in Miami and and it was a way to explain what character was there but again -- treated in the Marvel Comics -- in the moral universe and all kind of deal. Most recently though and the book that -- kicked off this this whole show idea was a book on published by a DC comics as a -- thirteen. And what it did was it was written by Brian as -- Michael -- And coming artist of -- yes. And -- hum. And you are a bunch of shots short stories that were com published details of the unexpected which I'm really hurt and I is one of those same romantic side yeah PC world and what was is that it was -- and -- tend -- moneys and you gotta read us some Watson it's animal man but for comics. And I said that that and I just how men as acrylic but I am woman is -- you know trust me it's elementary comics like okay. So certainly an historian is a story this doctor who's like a kind of paranormal paranormal doctor and he discovers this kind of -- He did thirteen has been around as much 51. Oh isn't an easy in this sadly it was established he's been around a long time it shows up in the seventies he's he's not yet can -- this that's for. And what they did was an aunt throws and made up character in there and it starts his journey that's really wacky journey that."

" Spanish pirates on -- flying pirate ship. Ghost confederate soldier. The a group of not C guerrillas not Nazi chimps that are lost in the wilderness. It's this wacky kind of -- that they take through onto the DC universe which -- is exploring their existence is a little boy character whose country the -- childhoods Superman kind of cost him. We get the sense has the answer is. And the reason why we're bringing up is because at the end of the book is a big fight more than basically fighting for their existence where this kind of overarching force has seen that all these characters will no longer exist except for doctor king's daughter that she's been accepted -- in this unique new university is how hot. He hits and what starts off has been fighting this -- representation mount Rushmore. Evolves and Morse and it's never exactly. Exactly this but it's strongly suggested that the four heads of mount Rushmore or more to create. The heads of grant Morrison Geoff Johns mark wade and -- Cabrera who are the guys behind 52 who have been kind of architecture that is Sierra exactly the architects in the new DC universe and docked at thirteen is in this battle with the artist -- universe to. Fight for his existence in this universe."

" Blew me away when I tend to -- look at that and -- thought and for a moment I thought this is really inside. How inside is this is that house windows and an amusing is that I thought yeah. And it wasn't for just a moment yeah. The rest of -- yeah Idaho furthermore it was written by Brian as a local I don't. We connect with them DC superhero proper kind of universe so it just it hit me on a whole bunch of different levels are."

" Idea the idea it was just an of these these little known tend to be fight credit life for becoming Ret conned out. It was interesting idea -- that's. And if you needed me he was just saying this much yeah. The navy this much."

" Also little system that is often don't scale it's really really really hot now I was surprised that he didn't and that it -- print ads either so Clinton collected edition."

" I'm yet and I never heard of it to happen I don't like it just -- from from out of nowhere. I mean."

" I want that had an artist has could change we've we've said before we're huge fans think -- he recently is on his own hungry now about to marry this awesome. -- is beautiful and at one point later on in the sword when after we see these tens and not rush toward the -- Then they become their own entities and each had masks of the characters didn't solution antiviruses if not I guess that it is sort of a reverse on the fourth wall thing I would hate to be -- Chang. Yeah you have to draw these guys that you would do want to work we -- Act like that's just too much -- us and got got -- Morrison and Batman mask that you got. Was mark winds and flash -- SOI com just remember it's a man in and -- what was the Rockingham period with. That wasn't that NATO was questioned -- it -- yeah. Lots -- all the book itself I really enjoyed because of the very post modern kind of wonder woman one woman one moment. He's so calm and doesn't ten. It but it was it was a -- very fun kind of like. Trick behind the scenes in DC DC universe and -- I identified Antara identified doctor thirteen the other parent as a vampire character who -- for it was well known sort. Up until the point where approach the fourth wall and kind of had to choreograph sect. But even then it and it's a -- Europe was enough for me enjoy about these investing in the world but I'm just surprised that they did something this kind of anti. I think at some point of -- it's actually faster and a man like you didn't do any Pam had a point explorers -- is -- right. Funny your boss' death -- and print the printing at least it. The bizarre but it could -- coming newsletter this exactly fit. It's not. So I'm that we've also export pointless -- this -- And so if you bomb if you have any questions about existence or metaphysical stuff. You're -- you can also contact that I am an icon that -- probably better website -- people with degrees. Or you can call and it was no 88 and -- which is 3262697."

" And -- more dot com let me try to -- the show and you go to revision three dot com for the forms definite forms of heated discussion there you can discuss more sort lost."

" And numb. I think somebody behind the cameras -- sentinel credits which obviously but yeah."

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