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" So I'm really want we want to invite audiences into the show this weekend's Fed on the show and a big fan -- we want to we previous a couple of shows we take a look at creator of his body of work in and his or her running workers this thing. And on their careers. Unfortunately. Mike -- though left that he passed away this past summer from. Which is very sad because he's one of our favorite artists. But we want to -- celebrate his career take a look at the work that he did. And tech talk about it and we spoke in the smaller folks who work book with my skin and we're fans might. We'll hear from them throughout the show. But. It's really you know he's like it's one of my favorite artists of all time -- what --"

" Little did we love minus such as the years progressed things got better and better -- well the first artist actually can remember following even like first -- reading."

" Comics they hate -- this is that he kind of broke into the business late in the end in his car personal -- I think was like in his third year."

" Zero users -- so got a late start out of college basically the end and back to -- not practice went to industry he found his way in and got some pretty high profile assignments were from."

" Historically did and he started kind of right around the time that I think we also really started and comments that early ninety's kind of period. And what was interesting was that he is you'll see threaten his body of work his art -- really kind of began that. A kind of marsala to very prevalent today."

" The hybrid countries -- only for -- I think when he first started I don't Robert and Armstrong liked him so when he came at a book it was just like. Bloom this this this imprint was put on that you know he did. These are off really with the DC was where efforts -- my diet. On flash on Robin yeah and it just is -- his his his classes -- with mark where it was just amazing."

" Mike was one of the first guys. I think when he started on flash for DC and and really began developing as an artist. Comment and to incorporate. What we would now called -- sensibility a lot of things that's exactly where he got it from he got mostly from. Hold the Japanese cartoons AP animate side of things."

" I came into the flash in the late nineties I read the trade paperbacks of -- run -- And since. Answer -- nickname is actually known as -- And he kind of define what flash look -- to me on the idea this is like being jaw and kind of sleek almost sounded a shiny Qaeda training site."

" And and he's paired with mark mark Wayne Newton wrote that that very long run on flash. And he really kind of revitalize I think that title which is kind of -- and immune from this is DCI is read Harry Allen had a very large looming. A reputation and then he'd done crisis."

" Although the large title with wallet before when Mike came on Buckman embassy came time. They've been round for awhile and it wasn't like it wasn't a buzz book until until we can -- in the cart touring though it was it was my -- must read book. "

" One of those moments where both mainly on the mark when is it -- about -- the art the writing really kind of -- and he says in the book they Hashemi is definitely one of those attention want attention getting --"

" I think what we've found -- and what comes through and all of his work but really will -- were the first really blew up I think for most it was. Is there's an overriding sense of every once and how much funny you've had drunk -- much loved them and that's comes through and every panel on news just like. Flash bursting through all the United justices like a sense of joy to the whole."

" The citizens of energy and steam and I am in a way that is kind of I guess silent what kind of almost -- can be described -- mom but does --"

" al-Qaeda -- you see mines but it all his his books and I and I reversal -- them especially recently reported from picked us. It is there's an energy and every page of characters never stopped moving and ever -- talking insulting things they have great emotion on her face. So there's never -- dead agent and they -- offering goes book."

" As characters you know we're sort of correct unified down to a fairly simplistic. Where simplistic seeming couple lines and -- large eyes and sort of stylized hair and the sort of renderings common that that kind of made it stand out from. The pack at the time all of whom were more or -- trying to for election Lee for trying to -- like -- life felt -- he really stood out just by virtue of the fact that even doing. Something different. And also even from the get go while -- a better -- over time from the beginning it was pretty clear that this was a guy that was trying to tell a story. Rather than just too big flashy. The upshot sir for action shots of the various characters that he he knew how to pace a story page to page and move the camera around and would draw backgrounds -- would draw environment than. His character would act. Which a lot of guys of the period again they've they had to expressions that grated cheese and the open mouth. And then that was really the of the ranges of emotion ranger expression you can get out of any of their work."

" When recently traditional looking back in his career thing I -- know he worked in -- did your problem for a short time then have to flats which Robin and then -- the -- at the same. The same style men and and all the good stuff is bizarre to Robin and it was. It was it was a bit of had changed some Grumman and going to the original around right isn't common -- I mean anything that's sort of athletically muscular detectors and -- call -- to talk tough Clemens -- look under were regarded as sort of the same things sort of."

" He seemed more like a kid I mean and it and it's almost like getting popularity had like you know and looking at what he did and Robin and almost -- inspirational what are are not doing a justice from a from the -- that we know."

" Like the -- like you know this is this is Robin with you mean that we use in his art he looks like a teenager. And announce a little adult announced. -- he should have -- things flash problem not as long overrun. I'm not as -- flash when I think about a -- you're going on for about a year or so comedian in 93 it yourself and then Robin I think was about a year now and on he's never really a fantastic for a later on little bit too. There's really -- book he ever did it lasted barely long time."

" And it's funny he's had because they first for the -- he left the map slash. The whole line of flesh hooks and you know because he pretty much resigned next record he wouldn't help and I and wholesale and located at tradition and character exactly so -- he defined the look on the flash line for the rest of the -- and into -- 2000 -- I don't know everybody here assess their specimens. But then shortly after DC work of course is you know crews moved -- company company he -- more from marble. Where he worked institutional Spiderman."

" I have been working on this -- books for batting year and a half. And it struggling through the clone saga and the was working on web Spider-Man and ends spectacular Spider-Man. But the injured -- was leaving sensational. And they had asked mark wait if you would come in and take over. With mark was going to come Michael Ringo. But mark wasn't going to be able to make it for a month and they asked me if I would fill in to fill in book with like to started out. As luck would have it for me. Mark opted out of the whole thing. Other commitments and things like that and when they asked Mike who he wanted to work with. I was lucky enough that he said mining and."

" That's problematic character whose style fits we're in goes or -- it's a Spider-Man and in his like. -- detected it's constantly in motion concrete action news at a standstill he jumps around swings. He is also tend to that really likes being we isn't it has -- fun enjoy it so that's a perfect match of character. --"

" I think Mike was a quintessential Spiderman artist. And I -- he had good runs on the book twice but in both cases sort of in the off to the side book. You know on into the next long run and -- on sensational recruit good fun book but it was like the fourth of the fourth Spider-Man books. Then there's amazing there was spectacular there was this. With the -- where it was around I think that that book ever place where have been must have been Peter parker Peter parker Spider-Man. Core activists Spiderman at Apple one or the other if it was he was wanted to -- before. And the that the youngest in a field before so it didn't wasn't the same things somehow in some intangible doesn't really mean anything but does kind of way."

" I think sensational fireman is also important in looking at his career because arm of the printing error in his first in his first ever thought as they -- at times they go who wrote this is -- or is. And today he hit it off as as a creative team. Which -- com further left on their print their careers he's their creator of work and tell us."

" Thank you see a lot of building blocks for palace and the sensational Spiderman because there's some. Some magical mystical fantasy ailments wound in the Spiderman isn't -- designs even that look a little similar to centralizing doesn't grab her yeah -- he's showing up and Spider-Man so subdued as -- constant. So we -- so this is."

" The tell -- colossal -- everything just came out and it collects the entire run and I really think this is his public image comics and this is the first. It is one of those titles that was really really special and I don't think he's got no right deserves."

" It doesn't wanna didn't McNamara is an excellent counsel of the Telesis and Telesis is the fantasy story basically it's got little bits and pieces of everything from him Joseph Campbell played stuff to the -- clips of The Lord of the Rings of parcel C and -- ago long. But basically it's about a boy and his friend who's a big huge stalking tiger. Lord put the sword at the resort living in a fantasy world and having these grand adventures and there is overall storyline about how at Tulsa world was going to and and oh Garrick the boy is -- every fantasy story had that -- ones. Who can fix all this stuff. And so the two of them and -- tried to save the world from this really nasty bad guy and there's greater calorie in itself -- it's got pirates it's it's god big shadow jumper creatures it's tough talking fraud this level was of course. Yeah this show everything in there and everything you'd want wearing go to draw and you saw him draws blog especially its old -- that book and only lots and I think is pending issues and all the issues before one -- and than so well. And it's I think it's a -- pilot of this career for gore."

" Mike and I we loved fantasy -- and it was one of the things we always talked about doing it was something that was going on and a lot of the animate that he was."

" Watching and sending me constantly cut and this is before dvds so."

" We were constant there is. Video VHS tapes showing up in my house every other day sometimes. Asked as she got to see we always wanted to do fantasy we loved animals I'm sure that's."

" Known to everyone at -- it was a huge animal lover."

" And I -- to any idea of having some anthropomorphic. Characters was. Very. Attractive to us. So we kicked around a couple of ideas and talked about an epic saga."

" And."

" And as we did that there was one Sunday afternoon that we always talk about that we had a phone call that lasted four hours we just hammered out the whole thing we knew what was going to. Happened we knew a lot of you know the basic story and then it was my job to come back. And -- trick like. To try to surprise him with the way those things happen to get the characters together and then bring them to some of these points that we had stepped back. In the most. Surprisingly so that might would always be. Excited about it the idea of tell us being this patchwork world of all different kinds of landscapes and things -- the -- would never. The board trying to background or drawing these new characters and I wanted to best cast so that. -- for example the end of this year three. Issue four picks up someplace totally different."

" I'm just because not like was getting not that Mike is getting."

" It's border anything's have a great time but I want to mix it up so we changed the scenario a little bit. So the idea was that there was going to be this this over story that was going to be this this boy who was finding out that he was in fact."

" The chosen and I mean that's a classic in every story Luke skywalker and can't."

" All the way back com. But we wanted to get there and a different way a lot of art types but we just wanted to mix it up and change the ground level that."

" Tell us fossil was great to end this kind of hum. In this period of -- on the buses and nationalism and that it's definitely up there within minutes -- great series and that really is probably the work you know conjecture but he's problems with --"

" That story is going to come out. He -- that there is there is a company that has approached had approached us. And we had signed on an option for which then. For them to do and they are in development -- so I'm hoping that it continues but you know with Hollywood anything can happen any time. The when Mike passed away his brother became music editor. Of his estate and my -- partner and Matt and I have been friends. Previous to that anyway through night and so now. He knows we all know that Mike would -- and tell us to gone for the longest time while Mike is under contract to DC or marvel. We would talk about getting more Palestine and Mike is not the fastest guy. On the planet but he figured maybe he can get a few pages done a month. So he was going 11 -- one of our -- one of the plans was to have him do. Can -- tell -- sends up with all the character scattered across the the land it's. They really have so little adventures coming back his the next story arc and one of my tonight plant was. That might -- drug -- coming back. And his his little story and it comes back he comes back to the world. And he's amnesia again he doesn't know what's going up. And so he's coming back and they're all gravitating to gather that they all have different. Different tests stories and how they're invading need to evil bits now sitting setting upon tell us. And so the idealist and likely drug -- in his adventure and we would get some of our other friends and heroes. Two drug the other characters so that you would have been jam at six issues. And we still -- people get the story out there and bring them all together so that -- would be able to drop the last issue with all the characters finally together again. But we just dreamed of people like Paul Smith and Michael Goldman and Kevin Nolan an art Adams and what science and to do these different characters. Until now that's kind of our our hope our dream is to see if those guys. We'll have the time. And a lot of men have already said that they would so well on so we will see."

" Ringo maintain blog that he updated pretty much -- kind of Hillary treated really throw me throw this thoughts and draw sketches and things like that and it really -- you kind of like some insight into this process and how he thought of it. And and the guy who unlike a lot like a lot of conquers he loved them. Comics as a storytelling mechanism. But. Superhero books can be very limited in terms of what the council resumes in town because you know the costumes and that face the realities of that so tell us really shocked me is. Need different type of so worried that can be told me comments that we don't have enough of in the industry this kind of fantasy kind of kids you know kind of an all ages."

" That's the kind of stuff if you look at himself -- you'll love. The disarming it to Disney cartoon were also going to European comics that kind of stuff that you would talk on the blog and he did a lot of sketches for the blog basically European comics. Both the PC over there we don't see in America these days which you would translate them for us this not that -- French. And the books are expensive to import. What should check it -- Canada Britain France. It's all those influences aren't there and and the people of on the blog is what we drew all the time you drew you know the rocket ship girls and he drew anthropomorphic creatures and then every now that you've thrown every design of the plus the cost of this for -- but. All the good stuff and again he says it's the stuff you don't see in North American comics these days and hopefully you know maybe as the trade paperback world explodes. And you'll get a chance to Seattle last."

" But Mike was his own worst critic he was never. Quite certain about what he was doing and whether it was good enough -- there was any good at all and Mike was very hard on himself about things that we would look at and chest. Gush over and and his brother and I would always say. It's done -- and I but I can I don't think I've ever worked -- an artist who said why this is great you're gonna. There on very tough on themselves. Periodically I like clockwork twice a year what -- go through like a low period we're going to be very down himself on the work and that would be producing much we want to be very frustrated and very I you have to kind of work and through those periods and reinforce them and and and you know try and lift his spirits and so forth on other periods he'd be up -- PB font -- give voice messages in the voice of -- pattern. And and and so forth so he had gives up and ups and downs. Like anybody else. --"

" It still up for anybody who's never seen it in his. I treat to go through and see the stuff that he drew that you just -- happens is mourning ritual of trying to get himself going in a couple times he. The wake up and he wouldn't know what to do -- hypnotized. Not every day for a couple times a week there were times I get a color -- and -- and he take."

" Which I don't know what it what do you know what what what what like what do you think about and sometimes it would be something that caught his -- and other times you."

" Let's not -- not in the."

" Early 2006. He acting CG did Iran none of Superman. He was yeah Superman. There has -- 700 series and am I would jump Casey writing. Actually we're -- all Leo -- the original art and that's that runs we take a look at that."

" Yeah sure these are optical -- to have that there's something terribly fancy sermons on here but you can definitely see. The ability there's two things -- she and her personal control architecture helps central building and it anymore. And second goal it's just a simple plain traders bought two different angles he's trying to characters from. Records have different facial expressions it's more than just the two were three other artists and draw. And get a real chance to see you know how you can change his point of view even though so appalled -- and put."

" And I think -- was interest in Nam there's this imbalance at that time period because he had Ringo I'm one of the books and and begin at some of the other books who any Guinness was very much I think influenced by Ringo and actually I'm sorry we're -- bit about that."

" I mean you could certainly see I remember 11. Legally embarrassing moment. -- this would have been around 96 I guess it was. I'm trying to remember I think like what's been doing a cover for me for trade paperback some Clinton was around -- time you were Spiderman. I'm gonna put the fax machines pages have been Saxton. And their pages of this war over an annual wolverine and who have grown and then I had occasion o'clock -- so lax with pages you descendant is what we're currently in the great state where might they were -- stuff. So clearly Ed you know while he's grown and then councilman it was pretty clear look at that very first job he was app obviously look at what might have been Dylan. You know -- Michael we felt when he was doing Superman. That that Yasser that if they cut -- on the main book and they had my gun adventures and they were gone for certain look at a certain style and somehow in in rain goes ahead. He felt like well I wanted for a like and mechanics I don't know if I can do order I don't know that that's necessarily want to -- beat anybody these and I only heard whenever Mike was talking about that in that period coming up that's specifically what they were asking of him but that was sort of the mine trapped he had fallen into one that assignment feeling like -- following I don't know how to. His characters -- than -- her I don't know we know how to how to do this in those kind of the flip side we're. He should justice -- to do Lichen and would have been fine nobody would complain about it."

" As in recent years look at the work days and came back to normal. And got paired up with with mark waiting again. And his former collaborator -- flash two where are very long run that's."

" War here lasted. Was almost looked pretty hard covers Brooklyn spent three years he was gone through small portion of -- it's a more. And we won't go into that whole -- stealing -- toughness and behind the scenes ugliness that happened but. They've been and way to revitalize quote from an easy I didn't I don't normally buy the book I don't I bought when he recruited him it -- to be together stop buying the left finds there was this. Bond that passes for book."

" It was one of those things were like fantastic for us titles of books that I always tend to read in collected editions or trains are novices and and I wonder why -- our meetings and interfaces because in this one room where I read hard covers and I I would I'm pissed myself that I wasn't picked this up because just looking at. This the the emotion and energy and a feeling that random games to the art. And it just like. And I think is that if you look at what he did flash -- despite -- we'll tell us -- different kind of animals very kind of scientific because millions of the cosmos he kind of and he now he just in he really mean it looked amazing."

" We'll talk but I -- can draw things you know those big rock kinds of conservative with hello Spain and in. You know all science in the and a pocket -- and that the personal human emergency taking this is like almost. More -- and the new notebooks did it did it's a great follow soon tell us look at -- or something I don't like social liberal more mainstream more super heroic it is it's applicable to go to that's got everything that is look at -- beautiful -- if you see that the arc of his that this town from the going back to -- quarterly where it first broke in answers slash -- vibrant health. But had to get back to hear assistance is close everything off."

" And it says on its bomb bomb getting these hard covers and it's quickly becoming a payment lines. I'm glad -- the working out there and support for ecstasy. When I first."

" Called Mike. To do fantastic four. We talked two or three times as big concern was easy to -- I don't think I can I can do it. It's it's a book it's all this Kirby history behind it this way it's supposed to look in. In the sort of the abstracted Jack Kirby black shapes and things don't think I can. I can do that and what I basically told them was you know Mike when you can -- the flash you can narrow issue eighty and for 79 issues everybody that drew that book truck the truck like Jackson guy who started. And I was the look and you came and and you did your flashing your flash -- nothing like Jackson guys and everybody that's been on the books aunts and everybody that's drawn character. -- all the other title since then I've tried to draw it like yours. Don't do that are fantastic four draw your fantastic for -- don't yachts and throw Kirby out completely but. Don't worry about making it look like flight tracker like -- summer John burns however. Do your fantastic four if you do it right. What to find hopefully is. -- years gone other people are going to are going to pick that up you know define it by yourself and that. To what we're actually helped or not he can monitor the books sell so it worked in that on that level I was just."

" If so tell us."

" This is -- perfect. This is this just tells about the uses -- on this special here this -- through this is so -- behind the scenes process work for those of you who would mean a process junkies but but I think it was during the era of health section at this all started I think Tom -- may have started the whole thing. But what the artist would do is they do tight pencil work they just cancel the entire page. States candidate and they emailed to the anchor in their anchor we're printout. The pencils on two -- blowing board basically. And they think over the blowing so we end up -- you have the anchors pages and you have passwords pages which are untouched by any case. They can see in the fantastic four pages they're really tightly nestled they're beautifully drawn and you get the scene -- just the original. Wine that that Ringo in this case has drawn and get to see this every little detail in there I think these are quite a couple more people pages Mike what should these are I mean these are tightly."

" Yeah tightening on drone -- this -- for featured doctor doom. Introduced in the new documents are -- in the beginning on. He's just in the crowd scene in the depth of field and the just like -- shows that. He really wasn't -- there at this these -- kind of pencils in the eloquence."

" Click on why why use this -- works so well. But there's there's a couple of reasons for three and one you can just when you first look at it you'll see there's a whole bunch of different people in the crowd shot and no -- localized community have skinny people you have. And her way heavier people yeah you have hair -- ordinary people but the thing I noticed in the states in particular is that it's a page of doctor -- this walking through a crowd. And when you look at the lines in the way -- group of electric panel on this page. But when doom appears and each of the three panels there's always either some dead space around them or the the prospective. Kind of shifts of the one point perspective in this panel states. Everything on the panel lead your life into where doctor -- processing this topic here every every line of focus it uses it to -- right on -- in the middle yet -- all the perspective let's -- won't be doing these fairly small the page and its people for rent for much bigger points decides he's the one point out to him. I'm throwing -- amounts color that you made sort of bright bright note doctor doing a little bit about anything."

" A -- panels and addresses -- just we just duplicates of those records and it's almost it's almost like a common representation of that goodfellas zoom in tracking shot because what you got -- he met his wife shot and ending a small and next found -- little bigger in the people you know it's kind of zooming in on them. But it's still it's you get the sense of motion just surpassed anything --"

" You can see from these panels is that not only this is art -- when salt to get an element to any team -- beautiful but it. I mean they're beautiful pencils these essentials tennis great. Yeah citizen and little. It means now a lot of art really is enhanced by the color then and the color the color critics are so -- there really -- a little -- that's -- part of the -- but this he doesn't -- colors."

" Anti do you see it I think he's missed moral -- so -- so I think these are color -- of this pencils they have a slightly softer quality yes you could. Does bullying according to the course of say his art is not -- these things are benefits from that harvest is having his arms Chris Kennedy is a hard line worst."

" That's fantastic four run on the kind of you know towards the end of this very kind of moved about a million a couple of she's in the marvel recently on which I actually dropped this in this title -- that's working on -- And he just started on working with Canadian from the neighborhoods that are man. That in order to once candidate here of timing this really kind of upsetting that way because Amazon. He came Australian Simon was cute name intensified and -- that's our right -- all of --"

" There the other I'm behind buffer issue because I loved his -- so much. Great despite repeated the American river and then the second issue was right in the the most horrible crossover and dropped it. Men never never to come back down -- are still on issues almost right away on and and to some museum really quickly and move on to do something else you can -- is here and there every authority the next big thing."

" One of them last assignments that he was offered and he talk. And I remember us having the discussion about it beef war the other corporate citizen called him an offer it to all I kind of thought to myself. It's it's your dime you know and make the phone call about it there's no way -- is going for this. Was he was approached to do three issue run with Matt fraction on punish -- journal. And Mike went yeah okay great -- we do that never done it before I'll try and and they sent in the first script and he just could not penetrate. -- and just couldn't. He must draw on the first page six times. And it was just never write to him look to. In the too nice for the publisher didn't feel right and in the end in the past in the called into the back and say I just -- got to inspect can't can't can't feel it. -- so he struggled with that European Warren Ellis talked a lot about doing a project that there was actually think that war was developing. It to do with -- the navy would have been the thing that that -- field that new age for him. Com but it's it's it all comes out of my personality might. Wasn't the kind of guy who wanted to do those sorts of comics you know and and you know late -- conventions and in the the hotel bars or -- people talk shop. You know he would lament the fact that that comics war quite as darkest they wore -- they weren't he really want to do not. Soft kitty sparkles in the sky kind of comics but. Browsing adventure comics of the sort that had been around when he was reader and so forth which is why -- They're really good fit with with wave and then with pot in and got the kind of shared that that outlook."

" He's not a great legacy behind them I think you'll see will be forever immortalized Lisa minus the -- top artists and and through these works in -- And you know he -- very sad news this summer when he passed -- you know accomplishing more -- boot you know."

" But it does leave behind a great pleasure there's a lot of books here a lot of personal friends thankfully isn't so pick them up yes --"

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" I think we got in trouble at at the Baltimore show. Scott Kurtz of course Scott and Cali have dinner and mark Quaid and -- and I sat on the panel. And told some stories on Mike and it became a -- after awhile because. Mike sent to humor was just. Just wonderful and we would laugh about the sillier stupidest things. -- yet there's lots and lots of stories of my -- was fun funny car and."

" He. He he really enjoyed he loved comics he let the people who were involved pumping comics. And loved life. Loved animals. And."

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" So I'm really want we want to invite audiences into the show this weekend's Fed on the show and a big fan -- we want to we previous a couple of shows we take a look at creator of his body of work in and his or her running workers this thing. And on their careers. Unfortunately. Mike -- though left that he passed away this past summer from. Which is very sad because he's one of our favorite artists. But we want to -- celebrate his career take a look at the work that he did. And tech talk about it and we spoke in the smaller folks who work book with my skin and we're fans might. We'll hear from them throughout the show. But. It's really you know he's like it's one of my favorite artists of all time -- what --"

" Little did we love minus such as the years progressed things got better and better -- well the first artist actually can remember following even like first -- reading."

" Comics they hate -- this is that he kind of broke into the business late in the end in his car personal -- I think was like in his third year."

" Zero users -- so got a late start out of college basically the end and back to -- not practice went to industry he found his way in and got some pretty high profile assignments were from."

" Historically did and he started kind of right around the time that I think we also really started and comments that early ninety's kind of period. And what was interesting was that he is you'll see threaten his body of work his art -- really kind of began that. A kind of marsala to very prevalent today."

" The hybrid countries -- only for -- I think when he first started I don't Robert and Armstrong liked him so when he came at a book it was just like. Bloom this this this imprint was put on that you know he did. These are off really with the DC was where efforts -- my diet. On flash on Robin yeah and it just is -- his his his classes -- with mark where it was just amazing."

" Mike was one of the first guys. I think when he started on flash for DC and and really began developing as an artist. Comment and to incorporate. What we would now called -- sensibility a lot of things that's exactly where he got it from he got mostly from. Hold the Japanese cartoons AP animate side of things."

" I came into the flash in the late nineties I read the trade paperbacks of -- run -- And since. Answer -- nickname is actually known as -- And he kind of define what flash look -- to me on the idea this is like being jaw and kind of sleek almost sounded a shiny Qaeda training site."

" And and he's paired with mark mark Wayne Newton wrote that that very long run on flash. And he really kind of revitalize I think that title which is kind of -- and immune from this is DCI is read Harry Allen had a very large looming. A reputation and then he'd done crisis."

" Although the large title with wallet before when Mike came on Buckman embassy came time. They've been round for awhile and it wasn't like it wasn't a buzz book until until we can -- in the cart touring though it was it was my -- must read book. "

" One of those moments where both mainly on the mark when is it -- about -- the art the writing really kind of -- and he says in the book they Hashemi is definitely one of those attention want attention getting --"

" I think what we've found -- and what comes through and all of his work but really will -- were the first really blew up I think for most it was. Is there's an overriding sense of every once and how much funny you've had drunk -- much loved them and that's comes through and every panel on news just like. Flash bursting through all the United justices like a sense of joy to the whole."

" The citizens of energy and steam and I am in a way that is kind of I guess silent what kind of almost -- can be described -- mom but does --"

" al-Qaeda -- you see mines but it all his his books and I and I reversal -- them especially recently reported from picked us. It is there's an energy and every page of characters never stopped moving and ever -- talking insulting things they have great emotion on her face. So there's never -- dead agent and they -- offering goes book."

" As characters you know we're sort of correct unified down to a fairly simplistic. Where simplistic seeming couple lines and -- large eyes and sort of stylized hair and the sort of renderings common that that kind of made it stand out from. The pack at the time all of whom were more or -- trying to for election Lee for trying to -- like -- life felt -- he really stood out just by virtue of the fact that even doing. Something different. And also even from the get go while -- a better -- over time from the beginning it was pretty clear that this was a guy that was trying to tell a story. Rather than just too big flashy. The upshot sir for action shots of the various characters that he he knew how to pace a story page to page and move the camera around and would draw backgrounds -- would draw environment than. His character would act. Which a lot of guys of the period again they've they had to expressions that grated cheese and the open mouth. And then that was really the of the ranges of emotion ranger expression you can get out of any of their work."

" When recently traditional looking back in his career thing I -- know he worked in -- did your problem for a short time then have to flats which Robin and then -- the -- at the same. The same style men and and all the good stuff is bizarre to Robin and it was. It was it was a bit of had changed some Grumman and going to the original around right isn't common -- I mean anything that's sort of athletically muscular detectors and -- call -- to talk tough Clemens -- look under were regarded as sort of the same things sort of."

" He seemed more like a kid I mean and it and it's almost like getting popularity had like you know and looking at what he did and Robin and almost -- inspirational what are are not doing a justice from a from the -- that we know."

" Like the -- like you know this is this is Robin with you mean that we use in his art he looks like a teenager. And announce a little adult announced. -- he should have -- things flash problem not as long overrun. I'm not as -- flash when I think about a -- you're going on for about a year or so comedian in 93 it yourself and then Robin I think was about a year now and on he's never really a fantastic for a later on little bit too. There's really -- book he ever did it lasted barely long time."

" And it's funny he's had because they first for the -- he left the map slash. The whole line of flesh hooks and you know because he pretty much resigned next record he wouldn't help and I and wholesale and located at tradition and character exactly so -- he defined the look on the flash line for the rest of the -- and into -- 2000 -- I don't know everybody here assess their specimens. But then shortly after DC work of course is you know crews moved -- company company he -- more from marble. Where he worked institutional Spiderman."

" I have been working on this -- books for batting year and a half. And it struggling through the clone saga and the was working on web Spider-Man and ends spectacular Spider-Man. But the injured -- was leaving sensational. And they had asked mark wait if you would come in and take over. With mark was going to come Michael Ringo. But mark wasn't going to be able to make it for a month and they asked me if I would fill in to fill in book with like to started out. As luck would have it for me. Mark opted out of the whole thing. Other commitments and things like that and when they asked Mike who he wanted to work with. I was lucky enough that he said mining and."

" That's problematic character whose style fits we're in goes or -- it's a Spider-Man and in his like. -- detected it's constantly in motion concrete action news at a standstill he jumps around swings. He is also tend to that really likes being we isn't it has -- fun enjoy it so that's a perfect match of character. --"

" I think Mike was a quintessential Spiderman artist. And I -- he had good runs on the book twice but in both cases sort of in the off to the side book. You know on into the next long run and -- on sensational recruit good fun book but it was like the fourth of the fourth Spider-Man books. Then there's amazing there was spectacular there was this. With the -- where it was around I think that that book ever place where have been must have been Peter parker Peter parker Spider-Man. Core activists Spiderman at Apple one or the other if it was he was wanted to -- before. And the that the youngest in a field before so it didn't wasn't the same things somehow in some intangible doesn't really mean anything but does kind of way."

" I think sensational fireman is also important in looking at his career because arm of the printing error in his first in his first ever thought as they -- at times they go who wrote this is -- or is. And today he hit it off as as a creative team. Which -- com further left on their print their careers he's their creator of work and tell us."

" Thank you see a lot of building blocks for palace and the sensational Spiderman because there's some. Some magical mystical fantasy ailments wound in the Spiderman isn't -- designs even that look a little similar to centralizing doesn't grab her yeah -- he's showing up and Spider-Man so subdued as -- constant. So we -- so this is."

" The tell -- colossal -- everything just came out and it collects the entire run and I really think this is his public image comics and this is the first. It is one of those titles that was really really special and I don't think he's got no right deserves."

" It doesn't wanna didn't McNamara is an excellent counsel of the Telesis and Telesis is the fantasy story basically it's got little bits and pieces of everything from him Joseph Campbell played stuff to the -- clips of The Lord of the Rings of parcel C and -- ago long. But basically it's about a boy and his friend who's a big huge stalking tiger. Lord put the sword at the resort living in a fantasy world and having these grand adventures and there is overall storyline about how at Tulsa world was going to and and oh Garrick the boy is -- every fantasy story had that -- ones. Who can fix all this stuff. And so the two of them and -- tried to save the world from this really nasty bad guy and there's greater calorie in itself -- it's got pirates it's it's god big shadow jumper creatures it's tough talking fraud this level was of course. Yeah this show everything in there and everything you'd want wearing go to draw and you saw him draws blog especially its old -- that book and only lots and I think is pending issues and all the issues before one -- and than so well. And it's I think it's a -- pilot of this career for gore."

" Mike and I we loved fantasy -- and it was one of the things we always talked about doing it was something that was going on and a lot of the animate that he was."

" Watching and sending me constantly cut and this is before dvds so."

" We were constant there is. Video VHS tapes showing up in my house every other day sometimes. Asked as she got to see we always wanted to do fantasy we loved animals I'm sure that's."

" Known to everyone at -- it was a huge animal lover."

" And I -- to any idea of having some anthropomorphic. Characters was. Very. Attractive to us. So we kicked around a couple of ideas and talked about an epic saga."

" And."

" And as we did that there was one Sunday afternoon that we always talk about that we had a phone call that lasted four hours we just hammered out the whole thing we knew what was going to. Happened we knew a lot of you know the basic story and then it was my job to come back. And -- trick like. To try to surprise him with the way those things happen to get the characters together and then bring them to some of these points that we had stepped back. In the most. Surprisingly so that might would always be. Excited about it the idea of tell us being this patchwork world of all different kinds of landscapes and things -- the -- would never. The board trying to background or drawing these new characters and I wanted to best cast so that. -- for example the end of this year three. Issue four picks up someplace totally different."

" I'm just because not like was getting not that Mike is getting."

" It's border anything's have a great time but I want to mix it up so we changed the scenario a little bit. So the idea was that there was going to be this this over story that was going to be this this boy who was finding out that he was in fact."

" The chosen and I mean that's a classic in every story Luke skywalker and can't."

" All the way back com. But we wanted to get there and a different way a lot of art types but we just wanted to mix it up and change the ground level that."

" Tell us fossil was great to end this kind of hum. In this period of -- on the buses and nationalism and that it's definitely up there within minutes -- great series and that really is probably the work you know conjecture but he's problems with --"

" That story is going to come out. He -- that there is there is a company that has approached had approached us. And we had signed on an option for which then. For them to do and they are in development -- so I'm hoping that it continues but you know with Hollywood anything can happen any time. The when Mike passed away his brother became music editor. Of his estate and my -- partner and Matt and I have been friends. Previous to that anyway through night and so now. He knows we all know that Mike would -- and tell us to gone for the longest time while Mike is under contract to DC or marvel. We would talk about getting more Palestine and Mike is not the fastest guy. On the planet but he figured maybe he can get a few pages done a month. So he was going 11 -- one of our -- one of the plans was to have him do. Can -- tell -- sends up with all the character scattered across the the land it's. They really have so little adventures coming back his the next story arc and one of my tonight plant was. That might -- drug -- coming back. And his his little story and it comes back he comes back to the world. And he's amnesia again he doesn't know what's going up. And so he's coming back and they're all gravitating to gather that they all have different. Different tests stories and how they're invading need to evil bits now sitting setting upon tell us. And so the idealist and likely drug -- in his adventure and we would get some of our other friends and heroes. Two drug the other characters so that you would have been jam at six issues. And we still -- people get the story out there and bring them all together so that -- would be able to drop the last issue with all the characters finally together again. But we just dreamed of people like Paul Smith and Michael Goldman and Kevin Nolan an art Adams and what science and to do these different characters. Until now that's kind of our our hope our dream is to see if those guys. We'll have the time. And a lot of men have already said that they would so well on so we will see."

" Ringo maintain blog that he updated pretty much -- kind of Hillary treated really throw me throw this thoughts and draw sketches and things like that and it really -- you kind of like some insight into this process and how he thought of it. And and the guy who unlike a lot like a lot of conquers he loved them. Comics as a storytelling mechanism. But. Superhero books can be very limited in terms of what the council resumes in town because you know the costumes and that face the realities of that so tell us really shocked me is. Need different type of so worried that can be told me comments that we don't have enough of in the industry this kind of fantasy kind of kids you know kind of an all ages."

" That's the kind of stuff if you look at himself -- you'll love. The disarming it to Disney cartoon were also going to European comics that kind of stuff that you would talk on the blog and he did a lot of sketches for the blog basically European comics. Both the PC over there we don't see in America these days which you would translate them for us this not that -- French. And the books are expensive to import. What should check it -- Canada Britain France. It's all those influences aren't there and and the people of on the blog is what we drew all the time you drew you know the rocket ship girls and he drew anthropomorphic creatures and then every now that you've thrown every design of the plus the cost of this for -- but. All the good stuff and again he says it's the stuff you don't see in North American comics these days and hopefully you know maybe as the trade paperback world explodes. And you'll get a chance to Seattle last."

" But Mike was his own worst critic he was never. Quite certain about what he was doing and whether it was good enough -- there was any good at all and Mike was very hard on himself about things that we would look at and chest. Gush over and and his brother and I would always say. It's done -- and I but I can I don't think I've ever worked -- an artist who said why this is great you're gonna. There on very tough on themselves. Periodically I like clockwork twice a year what -- go through like a low period we're going to be very down himself on the work and that would be producing much we want to be very frustrated and very I you have to kind of work and through those periods and reinforce them and and and you know try and lift his spirits and so forth on other periods he'd be up -- PB font -- give voice messages in the voice of -- pattern. And and and so forth so he had gives up and ups and downs. Like anybody else. --"

" It still up for anybody who's never seen it in his. I treat to go through and see the stuff that he drew that you just -- happens is mourning ritual of trying to get himself going in a couple times he. The wake up and he wouldn't know what to do -- hypnotized. Not every day for a couple times a week there were times I get a color -- and -- and he take."

" Which I don't know what it what do you know what what what what like what do you think about and sometimes it would be something that caught his -- and other times you."

" Let's not -- not in the."

" Early 2006. He acting CG did Iran none of Superman. He was yeah Superman. There has -- 700 series and am I would jump Casey writing. Actually we're -- all Leo -- the original art and that's that runs we take a look at that."

" Yeah sure these are optical -- to have that there's something terribly fancy sermons on here but you can definitely see. The ability there's two things -- she and her personal control architecture helps central building and it anymore. And second goal it's just a simple plain traders bought two different angles he's trying to characters from. Records have different facial expressions it's more than just the two were three other artists and draw. And get a real chance to see you know how you can change his point of view even though so appalled -- and put."

" And I think -- was interest in Nam there's this imbalance at that time period because he had Ringo I'm one of the books and and begin at some of the other books who any Guinness was very much I think influenced by Ringo and actually I'm sorry we're -- bit about that."

" I mean you could certainly see I remember 11. Legally embarrassing moment. -- this would have been around 96 I guess it was. I'm trying to remember I think like what's been doing a cover for me for trade paperback some Clinton was around -- time you were Spiderman. I'm gonna put the fax machines pages have been Saxton. And their pages of this war over an annual wolverine and who have grown and then I had occasion o'clock -- so lax with pages you descendant is what we're currently in the great state where might they were -- stuff. So clearly Ed you know while he's grown and then councilman it was pretty clear look at that very first job he was app obviously look at what might have been Dylan. You know -- Michael we felt when he was doing Superman. That that Yasser that if they cut -- on the main book and they had my gun adventures and they were gone for certain look at a certain style and somehow in in rain goes ahead. He felt like well I wanted for a like and mechanics I don't know if I can do order I don't know that that's necessarily want to -- beat anybody these and I only heard whenever Mike was talking about that in that period coming up that's specifically what they were asking of him but that was sort of the mine trapped he had fallen into one that assignment feeling like -- following I don't know how to. His characters -- than -- her I don't know we know how to how to do this in those kind of the flip side we're. He should justice -- to do Lichen and would have been fine nobody would complain about it."

" As in recent years look at the work days and came back to normal. And got paired up with with mark waiting again. And his former collaborator -- flash two where are very long run that's."

" War here lasted. Was almost looked pretty hard covers Brooklyn spent three years he was gone through small portion of -- it's a more. And we won't go into that whole -- stealing -- toughness and behind the scenes ugliness that happened but. They've been and way to revitalize quote from an easy I didn't I don't normally buy the book I don't I bought when he recruited him it -- to be together stop buying the left finds there was this. Bond that passes for book."

" It was one of those things were like fantastic for us titles of books that I always tend to read in collected editions or trains are novices and and I wonder why -- our meetings and interfaces because in this one room where I read hard covers and I I would I'm pissed myself that I wasn't picked this up because just looking at. This the the emotion and energy and a feeling that random games to the art. And it just like. And I think is that if you look at what he did flash -- despite -- we'll tell us -- different kind of animals very kind of scientific because millions of the cosmos he kind of and he now he just in he really mean it looked amazing."

" We'll talk but I -- can draw things you know those big rock kinds of conservative with hello Spain and in. You know all science in the and a pocket -- and that the personal human emergency taking this is like almost. More -- and the new notebooks did it did it's a great follow soon tell us look at -- or something I don't like social liberal more mainstream more super heroic it is it's applicable to go to that's got everything that is look at -- beautiful -- if you see that the arc of his that this town from the going back to -- quarterly where it first broke in answers slash -- vibrant health. But had to get back to hear assistance is close everything off."

" And it says on its bomb bomb getting these hard covers and it's quickly becoming a payment lines. I'm glad -- the working out there and support for ecstasy. When I first."

" Called Mike. To do fantastic four. We talked two or three times as big concern was easy to -- I don't think I can I can do it. It's it's a book it's all this Kirby history behind it this way it's supposed to look in. In the sort of the abstracted Jack Kirby black shapes and things don't think I can. I can do that and what I basically told them was you know Mike when you can -- the flash you can narrow issue eighty and for 79 issues everybody that drew that book truck the truck like Jackson guy who started. And I was the look and you came and and you did your flashing your flash -- nothing like Jackson guys and everybody that's been on the books aunts and everybody that's drawn character. -- all the other title since then I've tried to draw it like yours. Don't do that are fantastic four draw your fantastic for -- don't yachts and throw Kirby out completely but. Don't worry about making it look like flight tracker like -- summer John burns however. Do your fantastic four if you do it right. What to find hopefully is. -- years gone other people are going to are going to pick that up you know define it by yourself and that. To what we're actually helped or not he can monitor the books sell so it worked in that on that level I was just."

" If so tell us."

" This is -- perfect. This is this just tells about the uses -- on this special here this -- through this is so -- behind the scenes process work for those of you who would mean a process junkies but but I think it was during the era of health section at this all started I think Tom -- may have started the whole thing. But what the artist would do is they do tight pencil work they just cancel the entire page. States candidate and they emailed to the anchor in their anchor we're printout. The pencils on two -- blowing board basically. And they think over the blowing so we end up -- you have the anchors pages and you have passwords pages which are untouched by any case. They can see in the fantastic four pages they're really tightly nestled they're beautifully drawn and you get the scene -- just the original. Wine that that Ringo in this case has drawn and get to see this every little detail in there I think these are quite a couple more people pages Mike what should these are I mean these are tightly."

" Yeah tightening on drone -- this -- for featured doctor doom. Introduced in the new documents are -- in the beginning on. He's just in the crowd scene in the depth of field and the just like -- shows that. He really wasn't -- there at this these -- kind of pencils in the eloquence."

" Click on why why use this -- works so well. But there's there's a couple of reasons for three and one you can just when you first look at it you'll see there's a whole bunch of different people in the crowd shot and no -- localized community have skinny people you have. And her way heavier people yeah you have hair -- ordinary people but the thing I noticed in the states in particular is that it's a page of doctor -- this walking through a crowd. And when you look at the lines in the way -- group of electric panel on this page. But when doom appears and each of the three panels there's always either some dead space around them or the the prospective. Kind of shifts of the one point perspective in this panel states. Everything on the panel lead your life into where doctor -- processing this topic here every every line of focus it uses it to -- right on -- in the middle yet -- all the perspective let's -- won't be doing these fairly small the page and its people for rent for much bigger points decides he's the one point out to him. I'm throwing -- amounts color that you made sort of bright bright note doctor doing a little bit about anything."

" A -- panels and addresses -- just we just duplicates of those records and it's almost it's almost like a common representation of that goodfellas zoom in tracking shot because what you got -- he met his wife shot and ending a small and next found -- little bigger in the people you know it's kind of zooming in on them. But it's still it's you get the sense of motion just surpassed anything --"

" You can see from these panels is that not only this is art -- when salt to get an element to any team -- beautiful but it. I mean they're beautiful pencils these essentials tennis great. Yeah citizen and little. It means now a lot of art really is enhanced by the color then and the color the color critics are so -- there really -- a little -- that's -- part of the -- but this he doesn't -- colors."

" Anti do you see it I think he's missed moral -- so -- so I think these are color -- of this pencils they have a slightly softer quality yes you could. Does bullying according to the course of say his art is not -- these things are benefits from that harvest is having his arms Chris Kennedy is a hard line worst."

" That's fantastic four run on the kind of you know towards the end of this very kind of moved about a million a couple of she's in the marvel recently on which I actually dropped this in this title -- that's working on -- And he just started on working with Canadian from the neighborhoods that are man. That in order to once candidate here of timing this really kind of upsetting that way because Amazon. He came Australian Simon was cute name intensified and -- that's our right -- all of --"

" There the other I'm behind buffer issue because I loved his -- so much. Great despite repeated the American river and then the second issue was right in the the most horrible crossover and dropped it. Men never never to come back down -- are still on issues almost right away on and and to some museum really quickly and move on to do something else you can -- is here and there every authority the next big thing."

" One of them last assignments that he was offered and he talk. And I remember us having the discussion about it beef war the other corporate citizen called him an offer it to all I kind of thought to myself. It's it's your dime you know and make the phone call about it there's no way -- is going for this. Was he was approached to do three issue run with Matt fraction on punish -- journal. And Mike went yeah okay great -- we do that never done it before I'll try and and they sent in the first script and he just could not penetrate. -- and just couldn't. He must draw on the first page six times. And it was just never write to him look to. In the too nice for the publisher didn't feel right and in the end in the past in the called into the back and say I just -- got to inspect can't can't can't feel it. -- so he struggled with that European Warren Ellis talked a lot about doing a project that there was actually think that war was developing. It to do with -- the navy would have been the thing that that -- field that new age for him. Com but it's it's it all comes out of my personality might. Wasn't the kind of guy who wanted to do those sorts of comics you know and and you know late -- conventions and in the the hotel bars or -- people talk shop. You know he would lament the fact that that comics war quite as darkest they wore -- they weren't he really want to do not. Soft kitty sparkles in the sky kind of comics but. Browsing adventure comics of the sort that had been around when he was reader and so forth which is why -- They're really good fit with with wave and then with pot in and got the kind of shared that that outlook."

" He's not a great legacy behind them I think you'll see will be forever immortalized Lisa minus the -- top artists and and through these works in -- And you know he -- very sad news this summer when he passed -- you know accomplishing more -- boot you know."

" But it does leave behind a great pleasure there's a lot of books here a lot of personal friends thankfully isn't so pick them up yes --"

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" I think we got in trouble at at the Baltimore show. Scott Kurtz of course Scott and Cali have dinner and mark Quaid and -- and I sat on the panel. And told some stories on Mike and it became a -- after awhile because. Mike sent to humor was just. Just wonderful and we would laugh about the sillier stupidest things. -- yet there's lots and lots of stories of my -- was fun funny car and."

" He. He he really enjoyed he loved comics he let the people who were involved pumping comics. And loved life. Loved animals. And."

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