" Hello comic readers -- and ask yourself how you can help iFanboy out we can start by going one of our various sponsors for example what if you like movies. I like movies movies good when we got something for you there. What you visit www. Netflix.com slash iFanboy. That's going to help us out and then you -- like this. So which is comes to the house no hassle or anything my -- that's all us. They got tons of titles everything you need or immediately and it puts envelopes and fun to open -- Who feels good that you want to start a blog about it and you want Netflix are fun to open dot com. You can check godaddy.com and the coupon code iFanboy. 10% off to purchase this guy and boy we. This week I -- finally got vertigo."

" Do not so much -- to video podcast from a couple of discussions that I employed. Com. -- run and I'm here -- Yeah jobs. And we're gonna hurt -- Really guys tonight is that we decided talk about vertigo comics this week. Which one more thing about the really important for us but we're sort of wonder what happened. Over there a little bit. Often. Moment of transition for them good deals like cross -- as the world's. Do you have a week it without just short. We're not -- get a -- Check the -- basically just real quickly. You know 1993 did -- the line started in his place today take. BC books that were more mature men have to worry about in many parents and -- that comics code authority on us like that kind of suffer from the whole class in three years superhero universe is that way to. Right arm in Canada burger -- had a verdict on now is just machines -- DC and she can you do a lot of books that skewed towards mature readers off the beaten -- and regulate -- books he does he couldn't do that. -- is where you know stuff like Alan what's wrong thing -- that teaches us all think the spray or more are you more religious things that explored towns and wanted to go for that become. CNN's another book and not a lot of -- didn't start necessarily at vertigo when they started a lot of things move over there and -- them a whole lot freedom. And then basically one of the things we noticed. Is that. They put didn't focus on the kind of comics -- if you look at the time period 1993 when vertigo was just an established the imprint. It was you know the height of the image boom in the comments whom seclusion movement is like our part for being covers -- Bob McFarland mark Sylvester yeah exactly -- and rob let them. And -- kind of took a different approach to. They went for stories and writers to meet the writers superstars which now. That's conflicts that studios to these things commentary you just lead on Michael then this. Relate you know bomb missed it's you don't even think of -- want to -- But here in the -- but the writers rarely enough writers than just books anymore that. Covered in order to cover this should not mess it it is almost certainly. As long as you've got capable artists you know. -- Michael water should you superstar. Man but he's not mad because these services. Right installations and that's that all pay it's almost like letters. Really you know like they're there they're they're good distance exercises that -- taxpayer whatever. But Clinton I think you can draw a straight line from 1993 when vertigo started to. You later in Atlanta 98 when. Coming out because SATA starter tomorrow night's and they were like let's -- Kevin Smith well let's not you know what's Natalee that night and Garth -- on book -- That late you know let's look at and then as you know -- posada then went on to take charge retired -- kind of marvel knights that he thought went into the -- books and I think that that was then taken over DC where they they all started scrambling for. I write this is creators writers you know contracts and things like that. And the guys driving the boats now are not yet others you know that this is the guy who's got a lot of the boats model and you know mark -- and Greg rock and all those people just jobs this and he's totally gone and that sort of way that's a vasectomy traced back to where -- started. I think it's for me as it that's the wrong time and I got back on the Comex. That's that's when it thinks this story it's what gets me I like art I love good art but you know the story is deviant art doesn't is no matter to me."

" was a wholesale change in the defendant tune -- and you can think of the comic book. This is Tommy fan who wants good article pencils put it -- look online discussions always about the writer and talk of starting the source of course the whole sea change of -- system for how much we talk about it."

" Our biggest analyst rates like -- you know he's not really it's not. Art is really great look at -- not necessarily the food for thought. Must vote well I mean the the the thing is it 93 at the time our it was really net I was hundred enthusiasm enthusiasm on the industry and I think what we got now is you have more of an increase value of the writers an important balance but vertigo and 93 was highlighted -- the right in the story. And the -- it was important it wasn't as much of the focus of the time and didn't think about that as you look at the guys who with the names on those folks back then that crime arson. Garth -- New game then what do you know what those guys all that Wagner now Wagner they all ended up in mainstream superhero books because. They realize those of the good month -- on his detonated in and vertigo. And now he you know he's given you know the city or any books of vertigo and think about vertigo is it's a place where. You know none of those books. Have to be. The comedy troupe of of what people think of this comic books. You can you can give a vertical but to anybody who hasn't pre conception of what comic book is and you can surprise them. What I think it's -- whole idea in the short -- is not in a mature it -- mature it's mature like in terms of the you know. Often realistic settings are really you know like while there might be some fantastic things happening -- hidden in the expansion occur or you know -- some the other books -- even preacher which is very steeped in reality but there's a whole god war going on CNN that. But it's not notes -- it's. -- And fantasy that based on an adult themes yeah this year which is funny because -- like. I imagine one of the things may have -- that was trying to escape like we'll know we're mature comics also forum comments. No no no we there they're mature looks like. -- But they expect fair and I think he's still you know that that's one of those things they -- go for well you know so so after a couple years of the existence and -- in the nineties -- really got the reputation of this kind of like -- America -- and -- gonna be -- patents can be little difference to -- you know and go -- and -- the biggest -- ever looked -- I was in a good -- So it is -- how they got there by just cut these titles that really didn't exist anywhere else in the industry and so does the items that -- industry but there there's been pushing on the edges of what they can do it DC and those things went over there and originally you know the DC. And vertigo world kind of -- mixed and then that broke."

" Away from the minute -- don't they don't even running -- Brookstone to put some decent cash and various pieces sandman with the justice not handle mental side panel and the man is there was in the Justice League himself then they moved to vertigo except those ties and -- you know move on what the other titles of not -- yes -- so what what is it that makes a vertical books and what isn't. There's there's certain there's a certain equality don't look past the vertical -- doesn't make any book it's it's not an Indian book to -- look what's what --"

" And then. That's the job of the editors there is this little what do you think yeah. Grass oval thing it's hard to describe but that this one of the things they have and I think one of the things that's interesting is that. This sort of Aaron Johnson losing away. But like for -- This would have been late nineties early two thousands. They were just hit part over and over Virginia had books you preacher and you had one last mention of that time treatment pollen was going that way. What's -- hundred bullets. You know and now. Is that the -- a -- vertigo seem to does -- is Dave Coles is is got to be -- wives and then why was that you vote for them obviously. -- is not you -- a -- anymore it was a 5050. She's in has been around for one's been around for -- in but what's gonna take over."

" His it has always been that one flagship title of Burgos seems that this is a Santa. And started it was swamp thing and -- it in in the wholesale natural sandman thing happens. In the mid nineties and the -- classic run and then sold the lots of care records he's. The black this is an umpire currently an eyeliner and can in the mailbox. One of us is wearing black. Yeah. That is going to Santa -- and it's on my -- it. But. And it. And then from you know after after -- ended -- became kind of the mentioned. The main -- title and the recent years is that kind of what capacitance -- the last man on the bulletin metropolitan metropolitan for a little -- so now but we're at a point where why is the -- as the site for one last -- less less than the lesson here for one last ends. -- is coming up on the -- and it's it's it's gonna hit the hundreds issued and how did not focus so."

" Jobs away from being like an important look at wasn't anything -- wanna."

" I I drop on the books right there's nothing got -- a lot. In business this. I read it for fifty some of the issues that just. I don't know what's happening anymore maybe it's one of those things read better trades."

" The question becomes what is seen it was and what's in new book when you're gonna think of when these things weren't -- coming right."

" Now I think that the book that's gonna be carrying it -- while because it's he's not plant stopping time staples. Yeah fables is gonna go for a long time you know as long -- doing see -- market trying to anytime soon he has lost any steam. -- and is there any planned and -- and Hawaii. Vaughn has always said that there's -- medianews and and for what lessons and and for cables or less let's not be confused you know as the person from the podcasted I don't really know of Panama I just read the book I don't I don't go on tables message boards to prevent any big debt -- definitely -- here and crush on just noted lack I think it's it's an ongoing yeah. I you know like all the writers are typically no outs and and but well a lot of a lot of the big mysteries of the revealed -- we know we know again and -- know from what I've read online -- that I have to say it but it -- runs and -- know who acknowledged that you know that from what I understand so."

" So lieutenant book that's already fifty issues and becoming new flagship Gaza war I think it's new I think it is the flagship of the area. I don't think it's -- wanna I -- I think his muscles flex and look at Dwight Lawson is a really good book for people who didn't read comics. Where is fables is a book for people who did recounts a long time and want something -- now. I think tables is only the flagship for people who really really love tables every other person coming in street thinks of white Huntsman I think -- a different person every other capacities are trying to pull the real time. We'll look to for example the DC good that the New York content on a 100 no logo and as the New York -- bill Willingham showed up and see if like like the lines for him and run out -- as writers -- both and I bet they're fairly similar idea if you look this illustrate that both. Are carrying the weight of the whole thing -- that we've done an accident events and that's why it's that's that's the -- so I trade silicon and incidents and head. I don't know comedian he's great great great."

" That's -- young upstart fiesta in and I don't think it's in additionally I think it's I think it's a deficit to just. -- now I think Brian would."

" Don't you can't McDonald's green white white judges have wide appeal like people love that are really going to love that put ecstasy in the present -- political great book the -- a lot of press is in the New York Times is an onion like you lose."

" I mean it has potential it's gonna be -- as far as I know there's no inside him it's it's so let me it's it's obviously carrying."

" You know kind of allegory is over kind of comparisons to what's going on -- climb in the world now but taking place in -- it's not in aspects not been around for. Couple years now the current system teens or religion and a year -- and I think it's gonna I think it's gonna -- feed the points in the aggregate yeah I think I don't think that's not going to be a phenomenon. Really I think that some of the other books -- fine like. Being you know the thing for phenomenon they have what do they have gotten out Americans for -- just really good. And it was almost a really big deal wouldn't read it loved it but it didn't play didn't quite catch somebody finished it at 75 issues American virgin. Right."

" People like exterminators sits there -- on that haven't been around for W does not mean I don't think any news folks that definitely is going to see. --"

" It's that does this -- yeah exactly as if I'm caught that I'll -- something that you can't describe that that made but what made preacher so must've read. And does he ends because honestly I mean I read the first -- first turn the tables and again I'm going to try to read more whatever but I didn't get that oh my god I need the next book cannot -- that."

" Bright guy -- that the but the thing is that very few people didn't get that from -- Like preachers are creatures -- mostly for comic fan what do you avert a fan or not if you haven't read -- that someone's like oh my god you need to be preacher and yeah and some six of the sandman as well and you know that like what is it that that that little bit of -- vertigo magic that won the last man pass. And that do any of these -- as a table -- what is DMZ have a lot of it's free -- to -- palace. You have an opinion about that but I don't think it should by the sword but."

" Sales sales sales sales alliances let us men outsells the -- that's fine but this it's fight like cables with a little book that could. Lot of unknowns and that we are acknowledging that thing -- there's going to be a -- trials always turn into the -- a very quickly this and you are very prickly about samples. Fables is going to be any sales and yet collection but we're saying that's not that it will be coming we're -- one northern bucks and aren't even close to it. That's -- thing to -- to have you know preacher you have. In the multiple books on the bulletin you know. -- like -- thing that's now wanted to have announced its like that you can't pared down in your -- admonished anymore I don't I'm not interested in the new game every do you give every vertical bucket -- like almost literally you take opens the first issue. Just like us now that's like that that's out there picked up no those on the -- sounds tuition G Jason Erin Burnett. And neither of them really spoke to me because it sounds to me like you guys in front as a -- versus -- So here's the question is heard of it around so long -- now they're getting people trying to repeat told vertical looks. President -- worn off that's what it felt like a little bit to me and that's when I saw. The eastern -- and yes you know -- but. This feels like somebody trying to do vertical move that could mean it's just been around too long as a cultural touchstone I'm repeating you know only a few years ago -- wouldn't -- said that while accident they'll convert them both and fit in."

" There it was a new thing in -- need is somebody doing -- is because the thing is so long as we're it has been around there have been titles that. Had a little greater than an anonymous random in the had meant to be municipals but I I try -- lady is dead heat like there's like it was in the filth -- And yes those -- Very if you Aaron senate usually heard that I was -- podcast prime minister -- next phase of its work. Yeah but look what life mix but a beautiful press -- I'll get -- There's always does this have titles that are keeping the line done whatever and the thing is that not every not every tennis and he -- none -- it has to -- preacher and other titles in the ascendant. And and is that capture that magic that probably like we don't know what's going to be the next it's funny because all those guys every one of them who who did it. That the books and vertigo. Dick snatched up by this for you guys and tonight the second thing it patent that and then in some of -- the go further Brian Brian bond. Will -- he ends up writing for TV running game and he's I'm doing mouse I don't want to you know he's not. But that's -- right on the front Baghdad which is is his only original graphic novel begins in the we're gonna forget and him and he's still on those who will always come but that's not. -- hugely important work so preacher. It's not gonna let the people -- going to move in more of those original graphic novel direction in this -- I'm gonna say always and it has all along that they need these in this. You know Garth Ennis is allowed to go there and do whatever you want to ensure that Morrison's the same sort of open door policy he did."

" more stories vertical well -- or stories. Great horses don't we three which is the vertigo and in on the phenomenon. Look he could do that thing yeah them well it was a really common thing you know tomorrow wrong then there is about he."

" Indian culture I'll put up here I think com. I think you've got to come up and vertigo are really stay loyal to it for the whole career now is gonna come back and do because there's that. I think it's it -- even if it's not the fans at the creators as always that tension of vertigo. Short."

" Yeah but also not having a good as many cruises there isn't cash and we're gonna also active since -- that just not that are impressed by you know really got to come up and yet come join us to something now attempt that. Two other -- what."

" Everything is this -- is important is that. There is another place like vertically and now. You can go ahead you can we should wait though you can put your book through image a dark -- you -- dark horse you can -- it but they're not that. The Warner Bros. because every company and a big company standpoint they also are not have the money for distribution. For marketing. And then getting all those -- in the."

" You know what they're not as lieutenant of that little -- policy issue -- have been different did you know -- there are limits are limits you know so it's not totally its freewheeling as he has in mind is that the special right trip chances right after receiving she'll -- The limits on on what -- mean I I've read a lot of vertigo books and you know every -- it's not like they're gone through that this is an appropriate this and that's how. -- Probably hates. -- thing is and it has -- that is bread is buttered."

" Yeah there's nowhere to go you can do your own work with the freedom. That allows parents to get major company publicity and money behind the digital world."

" Beautiful books there's a trade program and that's really important that cease fire that's the common business offer a lot of the industry is that. You know will do our issues and that's fine after that we're gonna put these trade books where they live for ever and other financial market and at bookstores as opposed to address market. And that is something huge that again very good evening is rubbed off on a big big effort led the way and in terms of the -- in the trade where and some -- look at what marbles on the with their trade programs the fact that this is exactly what took a -- just like -- from whatever -- it's doing and applied to superheroes it's just that lets students because there."

" Speaking of that ends -- then marvel did to max line and -- icon on the."

" Well a lot emblem and an icon -- more creative create your own talk. One place where they may marked off a little yards in the back for their favorite people to go play -- more like Santa Monica incentive to you know bigger can come you come sign with us and you can yeah exactly but the max line was a direct attempt I think to. -- Another. They don't want they don't want books and marvel that are created related marvel universe but and we're here we are -- five years after the -- line of marvel started in this like what to doesn't want to uses -- is stupid squads Saturday we're at the cops on the Mac section and we just went. And is like when it struck tennis is fun preferences publisher and the supremes funds peninsula that's don't know squads and pin was not -- under the -- out against -- out of there answering the -- it's not really that does matter the question is why and why one of our government. Now when no one would marvel. I -- why they only publish books related loving versus the question I think a further yeah that's classic illustrated they're gonna do do then I think trying to get out of it. And try that hard you know because it. What do they do best that they do meaty. A lot of blame for that and I. -- thing is I wouldn't want marvel to do a vertigo I would want -- to do something unique to -- home to their own which is which is fine now. And let -- of respect for burgers and let you know they'll do with -- So well. I think Iraq and cut before we go. -- It's got a little. Aversion to some of the vertical books and the other preconceived notion from your past a little -- kids rubbed off on the wrong Lionel. This is your challenge now allow. Yes this is the talk mightily on the boards again -- in the -- yeah enjoy that sandman Korea is like I mean do -- colleagues. -- Not many years worth of Agassi you. Not quite a list cables hooked -- the fifth the fifth oldest retreads soldiers the."

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" and a preconceived notions going in Latin. Is thought deadly -- and so I cannot a year and a half come back and -- he finished hello. -- I would say again yeah edited yet again on this one news in this one thing happened there that was it this if we had not seen even -- the darkness and -- in Wisconsin schools and the drama I really dot not healthy emotion. In this you can you can farm sausage -- the the -- away so do you have any thoughts that vertigo we're totally off base of that -- you -- enough contact and a and Germany we're gonna get emails are disagree on the you want --"

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" Do not so much -- to video podcast from a couple of discussions that I employed. Com. -- run and I'm here -- Yeah jobs. And we're gonna hurt -- Really guys tonight is that we decided talk about vertigo comics this week. Which one more thing about the really important for us but we're sort of wonder what happened. Over there a little bit. Often. Moment of transition for them good deals like cross -- as the world's. Do you have a week it without just short. We're not -- get a -- Check the -- basically just real quickly. You know 1993 did -- the line started in his place today take. BC books that were more mature men have to worry about in many parents and -- that comics code authority on us like that kind of suffer from the whole class in three years superhero universe is that way to. Right arm in Canada burger -- had a verdict on now is just machines -- DC and she can you do a lot of books that skewed towards mature readers off the beaten -- and regulate -- books he does he couldn't do that. -- is where you know stuff like Alan what's wrong thing -- that teaches us all think the spray or more are you more religious things that explored towns and wanted to go for that become. CNN's another book and not a lot of -- didn't start necessarily at vertigo when they started a lot of things move over there and -- them a whole lot freedom. And then basically one of the things we noticed. Is that. They put didn't focus on the kind of comics -- if you look at the time period 1993 when vertigo was just an established the imprint. It was you know the height of the image boom in the comments whom seclusion movement is like our part for being covers -- Bob McFarland mark Sylvester yeah exactly -- and rob let them. And -- kind of took a different approach to. They went for stories and writers to meet the writers superstars which now. That's conflicts that studios to these things commentary you just lead on Michael then this. Relate you know bomb missed it's you don't even think of -- want to -- But here in the -- but the writers rarely enough writers than just books anymore that. Covered in order to cover this should not mess it it is almost certainly. As long as you've got capable artists you know. -- Michael water should you superstar. Man but he's not mad because these services. Right installations and that's that all pay it's almost like letters. Really you know like they're there they're they're good distance exercises that -- taxpayer whatever. But Clinton I think you can draw a straight line from 1993 when vertigo started to. You later in Atlanta 98 when. Coming out because SATA starter tomorrow night's and they were like let's -- Kevin Smith well let's not you know what's Natalee that night and Garth -- on book -- That late you know let's look at and then as you know -- posada then went on to take charge retired -- kind of marvel knights that he thought went into the -- books and I think that that was then taken over DC where they they all started scrambling for. I write this is creators writers you know contracts and things like that. And the guys driving the boats now are not yet others you know that this is the guy who's got a lot of the boats model and you know mark -- and Greg rock and all those people just jobs this and he's totally gone and that sort of way that's a vasectomy traced back to where -- started. I think it's for me as it that's the wrong time and I got back on the Comex. That's that's when it thinks this story it's what gets me I like art I love good art but you know the story is deviant art doesn't is no matter to me."

" was a wholesale change in the defendant tune -- and you can think of the comic book. This is Tommy fan who wants good article pencils put it -- look online discussions always about the writer and talk of starting the source of course the whole sea change of -- system for how much we talk about it."

" Our biggest analyst rates like -- you know he's not really it's not. Art is really great look at -- not necessarily the food for thought. Must vote well I mean the the the thing is it 93 at the time our it was really net I was hundred enthusiasm enthusiasm on the industry and I think what we got now is you have more of an increase value of the writers an important balance but vertigo and 93 was highlighted -- the right in the story. And the -- it was important it wasn't as much of the focus of the time and didn't think about that as you look at the guys who with the names on those folks back then that crime arson. Garth -- New game then what do you know what those guys all that Wagner now Wagner they all ended up in mainstream superhero books because. They realize those of the good month -- on his detonated in and vertigo. And now he you know he's given you know the city or any books of vertigo and think about vertigo is it's a place where. You know none of those books. Have to be. The comedy troupe of of what people think of this comic books. You can you can give a vertical but to anybody who hasn't pre conception of what comic book is and you can surprise them. What I think it's -- whole idea in the short -- is not in a mature it -- mature it's mature like in terms of the you know. Often realistic settings are really you know like while there might be some fantastic things happening -- hidden in the expansion occur or you know -- some the other books -- even preacher which is very steeped in reality but there's a whole god war going on CNN that. But it's not notes -- it's. -- And fantasy that based on an adult themes yeah this year which is funny because -- like. I imagine one of the things may have -- that was trying to escape like we'll know we're mature comics also forum comments. No no no we there they're mature looks like. -- But they expect fair and I think he's still you know that that's one of those things they -- go for well you know so so after a couple years of the existence and -- in the nineties -- really got the reputation of this kind of like -- America -- and -- gonna be -- patents can be little difference to -- you know and go -- and -- the biggest -- ever looked -- I was in a good -- So it is -- how they got there by just cut these titles that really didn't exist anywhere else in the industry and so does the items that -- industry but there there's been pushing on the edges of what they can do it DC and those things went over there and originally you know the DC. And vertigo world kind of -- mixed and then that broke."

" Away from the minute -- don't they don't even running -- Brookstone to put some decent cash and various pieces sandman with the justice not handle mental side panel and the man is there was in the Justice League himself then they moved to vertigo except those ties and -- you know move on what the other titles of not -- yes -- so what what is it that makes a vertical books and what isn't. There's there's certain there's a certain equality don't look past the vertical -- doesn't make any book it's it's not an Indian book to -- look what's what --"

" And then. That's the job of the editors there is this little what do you think yeah. Grass oval thing it's hard to describe but that this one of the things they have and I think one of the things that's interesting is that. This sort of Aaron Johnson losing away. But like for -- This would have been late nineties early two thousands. They were just hit part over and over Virginia had books you preacher and you had one last mention of that time treatment pollen was going that way. What's -- hundred bullets. You know and now. Is that the -- a -- vertigo seem to does -- is Dave Coles is is got to be -- wives and then why was that you vote for them obviously. -- is not you -- a -- anymore it was a 5050. She's in has been around for one's been around for -- in but what's gonna take over."

" His it has always been that one flagship title of Burgos seems that this is a Santa. And started it was swamp thing and -- it in in the wholesale natural sandman thing happens. In the mid nineties and the -- classic run and then sold the lots of care records he's. The black this is an umpire currently an eyeliner and can in the mailbox. One of us is wearing black. Yeah. That is going to Santa -- and it's on my -- it. But. And it. And then from you know after after -- ended -- became kind of the mentioned. The main -- title and the recent years is that kind of what capacitance -- the last man on the bulletin metropolitan metropolitan for a little -- so now but we're at a point where why is the -- as the site for one last -- less less than the lesson here for one last ends. -- is coming up on the -- and it's it's it's gonna hit the hundreds issued and how did not focus so."

" Jobs away from being like an important look at wasn't anything -- wanna."

" I I drop on the books right there's nothing got -- a lot. In business this. I read it for fifty some of the issues that just. I don't know what's happening anymore maybe it's one of those things read better trades."

" The question becomes what is seen it was and what's in new book when you're gonna think of when these things weren't -- coming right."

" Now I think that the book that's gonna be carrying it -- while because it's he's not plant stopping time staples. Yeah fables is gonna go for a long time you know as long -- doing see -- market trying to anytime soon he has lost any steam. -- and is there any planned and -- and Hawaii. Vaughn has always said that there's -- medianews and and for what lessons and and for cables or less let's not be confused you know as the person from the podcasted I don't really know of Panama I just read the book I don't I don't go on tables message boards to prevent any big debt -- definitely -- here and crush on just noted lack I think it's it's an ongoing yeah. I you know like all the writers are typically no outs and and but well a lot of a lot of the big mysteries of the revealed -- we know we know again and -- know from what I've read online -- that I have to say it but it -- runs and -- know who acknowledged that you know that from what I understand so."

" So lieutenant book that's already fifty issues and becoming new flagship Gaza war I think it's new I think it is the flagship of the area. I don't think it's -- wanna I -- I think his muscles flex and look at Dwight Lawson is a really good book for people who didn't read comics. Where is fables is a book for people who did recounts a long time and want something -- now. I think tables is only the flagship for people who really really love tables every other person coming in street thinks of white Huntsman I think -- a different person every other capacities are trying to pull the real time. We'll look to for example the DC good that the New York content on a 100 no logo and as the New York -- bill Willingham showed up and see if like like the lines for him and run out -- as writers -- both and I bet they're fairly similar idea if you look this illustrate that both. Are carrying the weight of the whole thing -- that we've done an accident events and that's why it's that's that's the -- so I trade silicon and incidents and head. I don't know comedian he's great great great."

" That's -- young upstart fiesta in and I don't think it's in additionally I think it's I think it's a deficit to just. -- now I think Brian would."

" Don't you can't McDonald's green white white judges have wide appeal like people love that are really going to love that put ecstasy in the present -- political great book the -- a lot of press is in the New York Times is an onion like you lose."

" I mean it has potential it's gonna be -- as far as I know there's no inside him it's it's so let me it's it's obviously carrying."

" You know kind of allegory is over kind of comparisons to what's going on -- climb in the world now but taking place in -- it's not in aspects not been around for. Couple years now the current system teens or religion and a year -- and I think it's gonna I think it's gonna -- feed the points in the aggregate yeah I think I don't think that's not going to be a phenomenon. Really I think that some of the other books -- fine like. Being you know the thing for phenomenon they have what do they have gotten out Americans for -- just really good. And it was almost a really big deal wouldn't read it loved it but it didn't play didn't quite catch somebody finished it at 75 issues American virgin. Right."

" People like exterminators sits there -- on that haven't been around for W does not mean I don't think any news folks that definitely is going to see. --"

" It's that does this -- yeah exactly as if I'm caught that I'll -- something that you can't describe that that made but what made preacher so must've read. And does he ends because honestly I mean I read the first -- first turn the tables and again I'm going to try to read more whatever but I didn't get that oh my god I need the next book cannot -- that."

" Bright guy -- that the but the thing is that very few people didn't get that from -- Like preachers are creatures -- mostly for comic fan what do you avert a fan or not if you haven't read -- that someone's like oh my god you need to be preacher and yeah and some six of the sandman as well and you know that like what is it that that that little bit of -- vertigo magic that won the last man pass. And that do any of these -- as a table -- what is DMZ have a lot of it's free -- to -- palace. You have an opinion about that but I don't think it should by the sword but."

" Sales sales sales sales alliances let us men outsells the -- that's fine but this it's fight like cables with a little book that could. Lot of unknowns and that we are acknowledging that thing -- there's going to be a -- trials always turn into the -- a very quickly this and you are very prickly about samples. Fables is going to be any sales and yet collection but we're saying that's not that it will be coming we're -- one northern bucks and aren't even close to it. That's -- thing to -- to have you know preacher you have. In the multiple books on the bulletin you know. -- like -- thing that's now wanted to have announced its like that you can't pared down in your -- admonished anymore I don't I'm not interested in the new game every do you give every vertical bucket -- like almost literally you take opens the first issue. Just like us now that's like that that's out there picked up no those on the -- sounds tuition G Jason Erin Burnett. And neither of them really spoke to me because it sounds to me like you guys in front as a -- versus -- So here's the question is heard of it around so long -- now they're getting people trying to repeat told vertical looks. President -- worn off that's what it felt like a little bit to me and that's when I saw. The eastern -- and yes you know -- but. This feels like somebody trying to do vertical move that could mean it's just been around too long as a cultural touchstone I'm repeating you know only a few years ago -- wouldn't -- said that while accident they'll convert them both and fit in."

" There it was a new thing in -- need is somebody doing -- is because the thing is so long as we're it has been around there have been titles that. Had a little greater than an anonymous random in the had meant to be municipals but I I try -- lady is dead heat like there's like it was in the filth -- And yes those -- Very if you Aaron senate usually heard that I was -- podcast prime minister -- next phase of its work. Yeah but look what life mix but a beautiful press -- I'll get -- There's always does this have titles that are keeping the line done whatever and the thing is that not every not every tennis and he -- none -- it has to -- preacher and other titles in the ascendant. And and is that capture that magic that probably like we don't know what's going to be the next it's funny because all those guys every one of them who who did it. That the books and vertigo. Dick snatched up by this for you guys and tonight the second thing it patent that and then in some of -- the go further Brian Brian bond. Will -- he ends up writing for TV running game and he's I'm doing mouse I don't want to you know he's not. But that's -- right on the front Baghdad which is is his only original graphic novel begins in the we're gonna forget and him and he's still on those who will always come but that's not. -- hugely important work so preacher. It's not gonna let the people -- going to move in more of those original graphic novel direction in this -- I'm gonna say always and it has all along that they need these in this. You know Garth Ennis is allowed to go there and do whatever you want to ensure that Morrison's the same sort of open door policy he did."

" more stories vertical well -- or stories. Great horses don't we three which is the vertigo and in on the phenomenon. Look he could do that thing yeah them well it was a really common thing you know tomorrow wrong then there is about he."

" Indian culture I'll put up here I think com. I think you've got to come up and vertigo are really stay loyal to it for the whole career now is gonna come back and do because there's that. I think it's it -- even if it's not the fans at the creators as always that tension of vertigo. Short."

" Yeah but also not having a good as many cruises there isn't cash and we're gonna also active since -- that just not that are impressed by you know really got to come up and yet come join us to something now attempt that. Two other -- what."

" Everything is this -- is important is that. There is another place like vertically and now. You can go ahead you can we should wait though you can put your book through image a dark -- you -- dark horse you can -- it but they're not that. The Warner Bros. because every company and a big company standpoint they also are not have the money for distribution. For marketing. And then getting all those -- in the."

" You know what they're not as lieutenant of that little -- policy issue -- have been different did you know -- there are limits are limits you know so it's not totally its freewheeling as he has in mind is that the special right trip chances right after receiving she'll -- The limits on on what -- mean I I've read a lot of vertigo books and you know every -- it's not like they're gone through that this is an appropriate this and that's how. -- Probably hates. -- thing is and it has -- that is bread is buttered."

" Yeah there's nowhere to go you can do your own work with the freedom. That allows parents to get major company publicity and money behind the digital world."

" Beautiful books there's a trade program and that's really important that cease fire that's the common business offer a lot of the industry is that. You know will do our issues and that's fine after that we're gonna put these trade books where they live for ever and other financial market and at bookstores as opposed to address market. And that is something huge that again very good evening is rubbed off on a big big effort led the way and in terms of the -- in the trade where and some -- look at what marbles on the with their trade programs the fact that this is exactly what took a -- just like -- from whatever -- it's doing and applied to superheroes it's just that lets students because there."

" Speaking of that ends -- then marvel did to max line and -- icon on the."

" Well a lot emblem and an icon -- more creative create your own talk. One place where they may marked off a little yards in the back for their favorite people to go play -- more like Santa Monica incentive to you know bigger can come you come sign with us and you can yeah exactly but the max line was a direct attempt I think to. -- Another. They don't want they don't want books and marvel that are created related marvel universe but and we're here we are -- five years after the -- line of marvel started in this like what to doesn't want to uses -- is stupid squads Saturday we're at the cops on the Mac section and we just went. And is like when it struck tennis is fun preferences publisher and the supremes funds peninsula that's don't know squads and pin was not -- under the -- out against -- out of there answering the -- it's not really that does matter the question is why and why one of our government. Now when no one would marvel. I -- why they only publish books related loving versus the question I think a further yeah that's classic illustrated they're gonna do do then I think trying to get out of it. And try that hard you know because it. What do they do best that they do meaty. A lot of blame for that and I. -- thing is I wouldn't want marvel to do a vertigo I would want -- to do something unique to -- home to their own which is which is fine now. And let -- of respect for burgers and let you know they'll do with -- So well. I think Iraq and cut before we go. -- It's got a little. Aversion to some of the vertical books and the other preconceived notion from your past a little -- kids rubbed off on the wrong Lionel. This is your challenge now allow. Yes this is the talk mightily on the boards again -- in the -- yeah enjoy that sandman Korea is like I mean do -- colleagues. -- Not many years worth of Agassi you. Not quite a list cables hooked -- the fifth the fifth oldest retreads soldiers the."

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