" This year for all the right here. A."

" No right work DMZ. Cory Doctorow from born. He -- great conversation that I haven't seen you do with those guys. They're gonna return this in your show or us when it's hit -- these tapes. Oh yeah. There's -- show brought occupy netflix.com. Had over at www. Netflix.com slash -- employed. Yeah two week free trial there's no late fees is no delivery fees it's awesome also. Www. Godaddy.com. Is the coupon code I think -- or your purchases. I can get these tapes."

" Hey welcome to another so much Campbell were here at San Diego on I'm joined by Brian wood and Cory Doctorow. And Brian is a exclusive to DC writer artist illustrator native Brian good thanks and -- is though well renowned science fiction writer. Tech luminaries mean when. Snappy Dresser snappy Dresser Disney expert -- epithet at. And so I'm we're here at San Diego con and thought it was a good opportunity to you on what Brian -- DMZ as well as -- been very outspoken about his enjoyment of the series. So let's get right into Vietnam to get starter Brian -- like what is it for folks who might not of heard DNC what is the premise of of the book."

" It takes place in the middle actually quite far into the second American civil war. You end the DMZ stands for the military zones in no man's land which. Is silent event in Manhattan. Which is like the unclaimed ground in the in the in the war and the two sides. The established America American army is on one side and insurgent groups on the other hand. And down what was the kind of bum because it's it's seems like it takes place kind of -- it could take place in an alternate now Brandon turner. Or how far the future is it. Well I don't really say I mean you like data book like that especially with comics have shelf life so decades it'll. Fit that they're having some some -- hopefully pull that off really well but I -- want to lock myself into it today so it's like unspecified. In the in the near near huge picture they kept everything. Feeling like the now but with a few clues that its futuristic click -- certain hard hardware."

" So -- I remember a couple months ago reading on -- record is also block grant on that you had found the book that accomplish so in LA and loved it becomes so what was it that treat citizens title."

" But actually really like that -- kind of future president. Feel. I really like that that moment that is today went back. Three gadgets that haven't been introduced -- that Beckham tells you that it could be any moment kind of past present and it it tells he that this is like really. An analogy or an allegory it's it's not meant to be prediction about the future it's meant to be prediction about the present you know willing Gibson just to set his new novel in the year 2016. On a novel so futuristic it only could have been set last year. And and I think that that's like that there's an increasing number of people who write science fiction. Or writing and that future present moment and time. -- that the writing was dynamite and the characters or greater -- it was it really was zippy and it had some pretty trenchant political commentary that was nevertheless never preachy. And and the."

" It was beautiful side. So I mean though the political aspect is that -- as a religious thing because it's not it's a unique kind of conflict but -- I'm not detected you know kind of little -- kind not the what's going on in our current political kind of environment."

" Yeah I mean that's where this of the stories come could come from even if only. Beautiful new Jersey's small way first I was saying on my -- up last night that the current. Stories storyline now the friendly fire storyline. Came about up Jeremiah my editor and I word. Bitching about this segment you saw on sixty minutes where American soldiers tunes like charged with the with the murder. Iraq is -- being raked over the coals by the -- Fossil hunts the next few minutes of the self righteous. Guy cannot even though we agree was that when the weather the -- dozens of instances in six minutes and it was. It was just so horrible this dialect. He's like suddenly five years old like him Jews like all -- thug just like looking down this soldier who was you know like twenty."

" You know. Net now because of that has there been any kind of backlash or any sort of contact from like the raider from folks who might not like these kind of stories or is it does not hit their radar it."

" There was stuff at the beginning when this series first first case it came out -- Randy. The public but being accused of being -- left lefty mouth piece the kind of didn't that actually -- to -- the lines of what about it and that has stopped and an overly get a lot of -- it to various incidents. Silicon -- again I get the occasional piece of mail from. From someone overseas to the soldier witnesses that they'll see and -- and I've -- the result of the PS. I I don't really know how they get up there at their friendship to tune that -- Sold like."

" You -- there. Well as the -- that is the distribution. Follow the -- I was having a conversation with a friend last night about them. About who sets that the that narrative for further the American dream these days you're talking about how in the old days as Disney and just and and you know the Muslim -- from the guys you who read -- Mickey Mouse for their parents when is it all started here comic con. And and part of their ideology was that Disney had stolen the American narrative and they want to steal it back and I don't think that like. Disney or any media company really owns the American story anymore if anyone does it's -- Tony for our news channels. I don't think they -- it for. Ideological reasons I don't think it's informed by ideology I think they just did just realized that fear is ratings and so that. Dominant American -- Narrative these days is just being afraid all the time and I think that the comic has a really good job. I've kind of puncturing continuous fear fear the other fear the enemy within. -- that is that something that is an and that idea fear some than that yeah I mean that's like."

" The -- that's like every everywhere and this is like a part of the part of the book. They're really try to -- I don't write very very far in advance on the book and -- Quite honestly -- really want one issue had a -- company understands. Better and better obviously not ideal from from a business standpoint but -- lets you -- They change things on the on the fly like that this are gonna just mention. Like generating indeed begun to read different ones -- it will I had this -- when we saw this thing on TN TV it's just scrap that the last last minute and again it wouldn't. Did and -- set the bush. You know -- that as near her as present as I can I try not to. So one line more than the other. Try to let him be a little Lotta Lotta stuff in there than anybody really watches and you've even passively watching the news recognize."

" And let those listing the current -- is a really kind of had both sides kind of time union. He didn't need and it wasn't really just that one sided kind of one of the which is -- yeah let's balance. There that -- get his -- and I really think that you know I don't want to make it."

" So so easy for someone to just -- it's like a lefty hook us up to. I hope that someone you know might might -- done. Possibly he isn't surprised. It appears that is the writer's life. Defending inside the abdomen it's. Really try to be very careful as much like that I mean. I'm an obvious. Liberal it's totally committed the book is very anti war like in general -- it's. It's kind of appalling to me that. Being beaten. Against the war in general."

" Is a negative thing but it definitely is and it's. It's if I'm today taking any side and dignity two -- let's somebody's judgment and troll like a pro war. And it stands. I think one of the things he really mail -- that war isn't really about that two sides combatants to read the combatants persistent armed combatants. And that you know the people whose whose lives are destroyed by war who are non combatants are really the other side you know in the war on terror. There's terrorists and in the DHS on the one side and there's everyone else on the other side and and the DHS that terrorists are fighting us."

" so -- what I think is really interesting though also is that in terms of the settings -- within that context of the people affected by the war and kind of -- your previous -- channel zero and also a lot of that your your work cores kind of -- decided to still be in kind of future president kind of thing that's out there. Com but in terms of setting -- quarry near -- and magic kingdom the setting is Walt Disney world of the biggest icons of American entertainment for DMZ and ugly channel -- that the setting is New York City. One of -- you know the biggest city in the world. How how important is that kind of background to this story or can these stories happen you know aside from that cultural kind of."

" Icon I think it's it's a critical in my case. Differ if for no other reason than for a ground ground zero. I mean you start I mean. -- you can hike I can write in -- courage and drop bombs struck dropping them like other American citizens it is going to whenever lake resident deliver resonate it'll never. I -- just -- putting in the in New York just like yeah. It's expands you know what that means -- baptism. This blob that it."

" And I think it's science fiction the setting is always a character. In and always has a lot to say about the story and and it's not that you can tell the story -- Morales I sure have but. -- it's that having you know my Booth I've just heard a story of a sort of trenchant political. Technological commentary settlement coral reef in the in the middle of -- break for a sea off the coast of Australia so it can be kind of anywhere -- But it it did this story has to -- that location right."

" So on to. So to move away from the political aspect Indians -- that some some my personal favorite blow us up to -- demo and local. Which were. Much more personalized kind of stories and kind of character. Turkey's Aegean Shasta read those books that are."

" I've read demo I really like demo what was it that demo that you -- I think it was it was kind of vintage Brian worded it had had their right kind of political notes and it had the right kind of I'd like I'd like to kind of angry subtext of the fast furious angry stuff that kind of Warren -- hunter Thompson and Abbie Hoffman and his golden days kind of come and throws -- and I have DR was beautiful I love that in Panama and from stuff that isn't so clear that it's there and I really like him."

" And -- is that is the color because both demo local or both are black and white and I think that's a huge part part of it ending and that his work on them on -- on local or. Are making you know as much the same as the writing -- thing this thing going into it that you guys have wanted to do our."

" We actually had the as I think early on in demo bankunited. Have the option of making a color. Book I mean in retrospect I mean it wouldn't I don't think -- it financially if you if you have but at the beginning we have that option to -- fiction shows black white. This kind of like where we can't come from -- comics. You know indie comic scenes and I don't mean. I can't really sell like one more than the other had a lot of a lot of ways asleep when I get hung colored art for more DNC I kind of wish it just run it and -- elected. And that would how to comment on the on the collar skills or anything like that the sometimes it's comes and so beautiful wouldn't ordinarily do that if you under an art and Russian miners. I don't really know I mean they've they've. Have done black and white books like once went so well."

" It would just it wouldn't be worth like the reaction from readers and intense violence that it would just I mean I can they hear and all that others do likewise it's like this customers' money is that not getting my. All of those arguments that could that it makes you want to technicals in the law yeah. We demand more heavy metals and our pocketbooks are toxic and it -- it and damn you got it at that. In the it would be great I mean I don't know there was talking about."

" Doing doing spin off --"

" What Dobson tendency. Maybe sometime when it's. Present when. Well that would sit DNC is really kind of emerging as kind of a headline vertigo title as -- coming to a nandan you know hundred -- has -- inside and that's her thing and a lot of people kind of foisted DMZ at that point and are you big -- a reader that he really reading the book."

" Salina I've read both the ones you've just described I'm not a huge stray bullets person but I I really likewise likewise a lot I thought it had to have a little bit of a low level when they describe it it was all because of unions like guys that all the men died but. I thought it picked up after and I really otherwise another comic where I really liked -- who the humor is grave and the M. And it really just zips along and I and I love that this serial form for that effort for imagining some kind of big catastrophic change -- in science fiction you would. Because it's meant to be read in in kind of one sitting in one volume. You would usually. Pick certain scenes to highlight some character arc that you really wanted to tell. Whereas here the it's clear that that that the white writers are -- them. Really imagining all the different ways that role of government would look and then he you know partly they want to get -- today at the end of the mystery but a lot of it is just about. Getting -- putting them on rails and -- impasse all the different -- ideas they've come up with for the world without -- and and I'm really enjoying. It's it's certainly -- serial form has got a lot more -- tell that kind of story that have been."

" Story Melissa did you think about why is that we always known that it was going towards a distinct and and come to day's dizzying do you have DMZ plotted out to us like all the wore a friend or is it is -- I think that you can just keeps -- story that a."

" Didn't buy it intensely never logged muscled into an excellent and day like it's it's not a book that's going to run it definitely. What -- Regularly on going -- stepped up again and the way you like vertigo tie in titles do. I kind of like region have refused to say exactly when you think we've -- Greg has never made me -- Take a big -- technician outnumbered. Mostly because it's. It's so much about what what's -- happening in the world like want to be able to. And god forbid I keep. Getting. More and more ideas play in seven years later I mean if I want to keep it going like this like a -- inspiration sobero. Wrote the relevant that want to keep. So you so yes there is an ending and no I don't know when it what is what is this."

" I think you should and that when we win the war on terror yes Greg justice and as the war on all abstract now this has been successfully completed the economy we should I think bush should lineup team."

" Yeah. It's. President at the end deals. Political sell homes and of course you also Wal-Mart getting -- the water coming straight on the you work with IDW did counseled about that are -- six in my short stories for -- It's pretty cool like that they they wrote to me and asked me if -- minded and I said that sounds really fun and really had my stuff adapted this -- fan imitations whatever this kind of thing. And they they were really great work where they send me all kinds of material for approval. And and I got a fairly closely supervise some of the projects and -- that I like best is."

" We're done there's going to be a trade -- trade is going to be also creative commons license to come -- be available for free downloading and remixing on the Internet and I think we'll just sell more books and and also engaged audience and interesting ways and it's got me thinking about. Other comic ideas about -- tossing an idea for big kind of manga soap opera that. Feminists and you can union organizers fighting goals farmers and now virtual worlds. And a big Easter or short stories around the --"

" Actually asked to do the covers your book yeah but I couldn't because alliance. Yeah I was really don't know about it really bad about it how well when you get -- exclusivity will once in awhile they elect lets you you know there's like exemptions to needs to be had than it did last. -- It's -- doesn't like I was. -- definitely apologize. Headquarters fears me feel even worse because as far as writing instruments that next Wednesday teacher and -- the luckily I'm not under -- explosives yeah it -- until we. If."

" That your internal be creative commons that's -- I yeah no it's not in fact the contract went easier on the verbally abusive contractor like. Whatever it's just an intro that reflect. Like you know you you you you you swear that you know you can and we can have your first born child if it turns out that any word of this was ever published anywhere else isn't likely. It was it was pretty crazy but I hated it and so I mean you're you're right in there I mean -- DC and vertigo and is yours was a deal just a vertigo or is it all DC that'll that'll break it down was also I have like nothing planned that's not bird. -- you're not taking punches and next -- hit and I actually think. As far as writers -- I think I'm the only."

" One I'm -- I could be wrong as far as I know I'm the only. Ryder agency denizens of deal still doing only greater room exist unless that's really. Latest there there may have may have been some someone else and they're they're they're definitely have been hardest. I think first -- instilled. With the with the transmission."

" No no he did write a whole -- didn't do his thing and planetary and you get under cover books -- a lot of friends there too which is yeah."

" So -- with you know Cory Redding a staunch and other current commons you know kind of an advocate of rights and yet you come from the angle working basically for Warner Bros. Not one you know you gotta pay nausea and I don't want to -- in the other but I mean like how does that you know like is that so -- that goes into when you're doing and I mean and indeed you have occurred on deal so it's it's yeah I mean."

" This. I see a lot of late. See a lot of really harsh language thrown thrown at DC about this and -- is trying to hide the fact that you know if you like he'd be given a crater on deal and -- her vertigo -- TC gets. Click control over Blake all the rights for for as long as they have applicant friends. And a lot of TC owns everything just takes your your ideas. And I've -- don't don't find accurate. I don't find I don't feel like you there and it anyway Ellington and ethical company that serves on the dog -- like Heidi and T today details of their deal. That is all in the contract. --"

" I just -- don't don't mind I mean I've done yet in this stuff -- only have control over everything. A lot of Indian companies take similar. Kind of rights and looks like it she doesn't interest just like it sent. So Zoellick didn't -- like there -- the only ones. They didn't they give you a lot of support the trades in the royalties. Unparalleled. In this industry. It's I had no problem. We're working -- them and also like me. I and when you when you just just set them working for Warner Bros. like -- different today than never crossed proper processes and let me like. -- day like it's me and my dad and my bedroom well then I go to the vertical offices like -- There are mixed in with the ceiling there really feels up next room and they and they still looks -- from two. Those delegates diligently to see corporate masters --"

" But I think that I think that you know Brian eradicate them. By and large the contractual stuff is really well understood and well it's not maybe the best shakes and a creator could get its its not the worst either and certainly come a long way since Siegel and Shuster resigning oil the rights in the -- there on the backs they're."

" Paychecks every week. But I but I think that the the people who don't have a voice in this contract negotiations the readers. I'm and that's I think we're creative commons can really come in and I think that it it's a win win although that that big rights holders -- understanding yet it's a win win to say to readers. I you can interpret these works and you can. I use them in a cultural way not a commercial wave to cultural way among yourselves. Using the Internet with -- you always have using offline media and the difference is that you know when when people made costumes or when they. Drew their own panels or when they made their own posters for their bedrooms are shared with their friends or any of that stuff. Borrowed their own fan fiction and circulated that there were no copies being made and there was no way to search that so -- below the level of legal notice. And so no one ever had a lawyer call -- someone who's -- fan fiction and say -- got to cut that out. But like Warners actually did some lawyers after twelve year old girl in Brighton England last year for reading Harry Potter. Transactions and it just doesn't make any sense right I mean and I think that that problem. We did that the reason that comic con exists you know this giant Enron commence with a 140000 people shuffling -- loads of money into the pockets of the comic book companies. The reason exists is because it's not for cultural expression and culture is what happens when people talk to each other. And and the fact when we do this on the Internet it's not searchable and involves making copies. It doesn't shouldn't mean that we -- Copyright law that's intended to govern negotiations between giant companies it's like saying. Well you know community gets a luncheon and and -- you have five -- four -- We should call the SEC to find out whether or not hello this financially Kosher the body of law has its use has but it doesn't have any -- is when applied to individuals doing cultural things. And so you know this is this is the thing that I want to drag publishers and I don't think it's an action I don't really think it's an anti corporate stance. Although some of the big media companies and -- part ways on on ideology. I think that you know you make more money when people care about your stuff and make it make it part of their identity that you do when no one cares about and -- my -- Toledo gave a talk a couple of years Adam Elliott the big TV conference in France and he said. By all means keep putting DRM on your movies keep suing people who download them keep shutting down Internet sites keep doing all of this -- and if you're lucky you'll win and people watch movies anymore and then where will you be."

" And that's working is it copying well -- idea of the internet's not working that's not copying out of the information is only going to get easier to copies of your business model relies on things getting harder to copy. It's time to rethink it you know that's like well you know -- we'll go back to horses we don't have to worry about the horse shoe business this locomotive is justified. I mean it's it's never going to get harder to copy this is as hard as it's ever gonna get you know and a hundred years it'll be a gazillion times easier to copy them. In five years it'll be a gazillion times he's -- tomorrow it'll be."

" A well that that -- just fuel tomorrow's audience scifi kind of stories and comments that surface itself. Excellent well you know it's you know a lot of Indians he's great book and then the state of the industry publishing stuff like that we've probably gone forever but I know -- I think history time and -- and -- the time and beyond the check out there works at a DC comics and in check out Boeing Boeing and non. Crap and dot com for gory stuff and -- thanks Erica -- I was that's -- observation for a hundred it wasn't so Obama again I want to thank Brian enough -- time account on -- busy -- the presidency -- on. If if you have any thoughts on that I'm sure you do you can -- you -- and what dot coming go to the four as a revision3.com. And and you know talk about some of the stuff brought up in there. And allows them to talk about another -- He'd frosty says an email contact Amylin dot com or caller of -- no one at 188 and boys this 18883262697. And this is as one of the cool things argument as you can do stuff like this and that's you know that conversational thing is everything employees that they never met before so we thought and we brings tree just the other them. -- we'll see you next."

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" No right work DMZ. Cory Doctorow from born. He -- great conversation that I haven't seen you do with those guys. They're gonna return this in your show or us when it's hit -- these tapes. Oh yeah. There's -- show brought occupy netflix.com. Had over at www. Netflix.com slash -- employed. Yeah two week free trial there's no late fees is no delivery fees it's awesome also. Www. Godaddy.com. Is the coupon code I think -- or your purchases. I can get these tapes."

" Hey welcome to another so much Campbell were here at San Diego on I'm joined by Brian wood and Cory Doctorow. And Brian is a exclusive to DC writer artist illustrator native Brian good thanks and -- is though well renowned science fiction writer. Tech luminaries mean when. Snappy Dresser snappy Dresser Disney expert -- epithet at. And so I'm we're here at San Diego con and thought it was a good opportunity to you on what Brian -- DMZ as well as -- been very outspoken about his enjoyment of the series. So let's get right into Vietnam to get starter Brian -- like what is it for folks who might not of heard DNC what is the premise of of the book."

" It takes place in the middle actually quite far into the second American civil war. You end the DMZ stands for the military zones in no man's land which. Is silent event in Manhattan. Which is like the unclaimed ground in the in the in the war and the two sides. The established America American army is on one side and insurgent groups on the other hand. And down what was the kind of bum because it's it's seems like it takes place kind of -- it could take place in an alternate now Brandon turner. Or how far the future is it. Well I don't really say I mean you like data book like that especially with comics have shelf life so decades it'll. Fit that they're having some some -- hopefully pull that off really well but I -- want to lock myself into it today so it's like unspecified. In the in the near near huge picture they kept everything. Feeling like the now but with a few clues that its futuristic click -- certain hard hardware."

" So -- I remember a couple months ago reading on -- record is also block grant on that you had found the book that accomplish so in LA and loved it becomes so what was it that treat citizens title."

" But actually really like that -- kind of future president. Feel. I really like that that moment that is today went back. Three gadgets that haven't been introduced -- that Beckham tells you that it could be any moment kind of past present and it it tells he that this is like really. An analogy or an allegory it's it's not meant to be prediction about the future it's meant to be prediction about the present you know willing Gibson just to set his new novel in the year 2016. On a novel so futuristic it only could have been set last year. And and I think that that's like that there's an increasing number of people who write science fiction. Or writing and that future present moment and time. -- that the writing was dynamite and the characters or greater -- it was it really was zippy and it had some pretty trenchant political commentary that was nevertheless never preachy. And and the."

" It was beautiful side. So I mean though the political aspect is that -- as a religious thing because it's not it's a unique kind of conflict but -- I'm not detected you know kind of little -- kind not the what's going on in our current political kind of environment."

" Yeah I mean that's where this of the stories come could come from even if only. Beautiful new Jersey's small way first I was saying on my -- up last night that the current. Stories storyline now the friendly fire storyline. Came about up Jeremiah my editor and I word. Bitching about this segment you saw on sixty minutes where American soldiers tunes like charged with the with the murder. Iraq is -- being raked over the coals by the -- Fossil hunts the next few minutes of the self righteous. Guy cannot even though we agree was that when the weather the -- dozens of instances in six minutes and it was. It was just so horrible this dialect. He's like suddenly five years old like him Jews like all -- thug just like looking down this soldier who was you know like twenty."

" You know. Net now because of that has there been any kind of backlash or any sort of contact from like the raider from folks who might not like these kind of stories or is it does not hit their radar it."

" There was stuff at the beginning when this series first first case it came out -- Randy. The public but being accused of being -- left lefty mouth piece the kind of didn't that actually -- to -- the lines of what about it and that has stopped and an overly get a lot of -- it to various incidents. Silicon -- again I get the occasional piece of mail from. From someone overseas to the soldier witnesses that they'll see and -- and I've -- the result of the PS. I I don't really know how they get up there at their friendship to tune that -- Sold like."

" You -- there. Well as the -- that is the distribution. Follow the -- I was having a conversation with a friend last night about them. About who sets that the that narrative for further the American dream these days you're talking about how in the old days as Disney and just and and you know the Muslim -- from the guys you who read -- Mickey Mouse for their parents when is it all started here comic con. And and part of their ideology was that Disney had stolen the American narrative and they want to steal it back and I don't think that like. Disney or any media company really owns the American story anymore if anyone does it's -- Tony for our news channels. I don't think they -- it for. Ideological reasons I don't think it's informed by ideology I think they just did just realized that fear is ratings and so that. Dominant American -- Narrative these days is just being afraid all the time and I think that the comic has a really good job. I've kind of puncturing continuous fear fear the other fear the enemy within. -- that is that something that is an and that idea fear some than that yeah I mean that's like."

" The -- that's like every everywhere and this is like a part of the part of the book. They're really try to -- I don't write very very far in advance on the book and -- Quite honestly -- really want one issue had a -- company understands. Better and better obviously not ideal from from a business standpoint but -- lets you -- They change things on the on the fly like that this are gonna just mention. Like generating indeed begun to read different ones -- it will I had this -- when we saw this thing on TN TV it's just scrap that the last last minute and again it wouldn't. Did and -- set the bush. You know -- that as near her as present as I can I try not to. So one line more than the other. Try to let him be a little Lotta Lotta stuff in there than anybody really watches and you've even passively watching the news recognize."

" And let those listing the current -- is a really kind of had both sides kind of time union. He didn't need and it wasn't really just that one sided kind of one of the which is -- yeah let's balance. There that -- get his -- and I really think that you know I don't want to make it."

" So so easy for someone to just -- it's like a lefty hook us up to. I hope that someone you know might might -- done. Possibly he isn't surprised. It appears that is the writer's life. Defending inside the abdomen it's. Really try to be very careful as much like that I mean. I'm an obvious. Liberal it's totally committed the book is very anti war like in general -- it's. It's kind of appalling to me that. Being beaten. Against the war in general."

" Is a negative thing but it definitely is and it's. It's if I'm today taking any side and dignity two -- let's somebody's judgment and troll like a pro war. And it stands. I think one of the things he really mail -- that war isn't really about that two sides combatants to read the combatants persistent armed combatants. And that you know the people whose whose lives are destroyed by war who are non combatants are really the other side you know in the war on terror. There's terrorists and in the DHS on the one side and there's everyone else on the other side and and the DHS that terrorists are fighting us."

" so -- what I think is really interesting though also is that in terms of the settings -- within that context of the people affected by the war and kind of -- your previous -- channel zero and also a lot of that your your work cores kind of -- decided to still be in kind of future president kind of thing that's out there. Com but in terms of setting -- quarry near -- and magic kingdom the setting is Walt Disney world of the biggest icons of American entertainment for DMZ and ugly channel -- that the setting is New York City. One of -- you know the biggest city in the world. How how important is that kind of background to this story or can these stories happen you know aside from that cultural kind of."

" Icon I think it's it's a critical in my case. Differ if for no other reason than for a ground ground zero. I mean you start I mean. -- you can hike I can write in -- courage and drop bombs struck dropping them like other American citizens it is going to whenever lake resident deliver resonate it'll never. I -- just -- putting in the in New York just like yeah. It's expands you know what that means -- baptism. This blob that it."

" And I think it's science fiction the setting is always a character. In and always has a lot to say about the story and and it's not that you can tell the story -- Morales I sure have but. -- it's that having you know my Booth I've just heard a story of a sort of trenchant political. Technological commentary settlement coral reef in the in the middle of -- break for a sea off the coast of Australia so it can be kind of anywhere -- But it it did this story has to -- that location right."

" So on to. So to move away from the political aspect Indians -- that some some my personal favorite blow us up to -- demo and local. Which were. Much more personalized kind of stories and kind of character. Turkey's Aegean Shasta read those books that are."

" I've read demo I really like demo what was it that demo that you -- I think it was it was kind of vintage Brian worded it had had their right kind of political notes and it had the right kind of I'd like I'd like to kind of angry subtext of the fast furious angry stuff that kind of Warren -- hunter Thompson and Abbie Hoffman and his golden days kind of come and throws -- and I have DR was beautiful I love that in Panama and from stuff that isn't so clear that it's there and I really like him."

" And -- is that is the color because both demo local or both are black and white and I think that's a huge part part of it ending and that his work on them on -- on local or. Are making you know as much the same as the writing -- thing this thing going into it that you guys have wanted to do our."

" We actually had the as I think early on in demo bankunited. Have the option of making a color. Book I mean in retrospect I mean it wouldn't I don't think -- it financially if you if you have but at the beginning we have that option to -- fiction shows black white. This kind of like where we can't come from -- comics. You know indie comic scenes and I don't mean. I can't really sell like one more than the other had a lot of a lot of ways asleep when I get hung colored art for more DNC I kind of wish it just run it and -- elected. And that would how to comment on the on the collar skills or anything like that the sometimes it's comes and so beautiful wouldn't ordinarily do that if you under an art and Russian miners. I don't really know I mean they've they've. Have done black and white books like once went so well."

" It would just it wouldn't be worth like the reaction from readers and intense violence that it would just I mean I can they hear and all that others do likewise it's like this customers' money is that not getting my. All of those arguments that could that it makes you want to technicals in the law yeah. We demand more heavy metals and our pocketbooks are toxic and it -- it and damn you got it at that. In the it would be great I mean I don't know there was talking about."

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" What Dobson tendency. Maybe sometime when it's. Present when. Well that would sit DNC is really kind of emerging as kind of a headline vertigo title as -- coming to a nandan you know hundred -- has -- inside and that's her thing and a lot of people kind of foisted DMZ at that point and are you big -- a reader that he really reading the book."

" Salina I've read both the ones you've just described I'm not a huge stray bullets person but I I really likewise likewise a lot I thought it had to have a little bit of a low level when they describe it it was all because of unions like guys that all the men died but. I thought it picked up after and I really otherwise another comic where I really liked -- who the humor is grave and the M. And it really just zips along and I and I love that this serial form for that effort for imagining some kind of big catastrophic change -- in science fiction you would. Because it's meant to be read in in kind of one sitting in one volume. You would usually. Pick certain scenes to highlight some character arc that you really wanted to tell. Whereas here the it's clear that that that the white writers are -- them. Really imagining all the different ways that role of government would look and then he you know partly they want to get -- today at the end of the mystery but a lot of it is just about. Getting -- putting them on rails and -- impasse all the different -- ideas they've come up with for the world without -- and and I'm really enjoying. It's it's certainly -- serial form has got a lot more -- tell that kind of story that have been."

" Story Melissa did you think about why is that we always known that it was going towards a distinct and and come to day's dizzying do you have DMZ plotted out to us like all the wore a friend or is it is -- I think that you can just keeps -- story that a."

" Didn't buy it intensely never logged muscled into an excellent and day like it's it's not a book that's going to run it definitely. What -- Regularly on going -- stepped up again and the way you like vertigo tie in titles do. I kind of like region have refused to say exactly when you think we've -- Greg has never made me -- Take a big -- technician outnumbered. Mostly because it's. It's so much about what what's -- happening in the world like want to be able to. And god forbid I keep. Getting. More and more ideas play in seven years later I mean if I want to keep it going like this like a -- inspiration sobero. Wrote the relevant that want to keep. So you so yes there is an ending and no I don't know when it what is what is this."

" I think you should and that when we win the war on terror yes Greg justice and as the war on all abstract now this has been successfully completed the economy we should I think bush should lineup team."

" Yeah. It's. President at the end deals. Political sell homes and of course you also Wal-Mart getting -- the water coming straight on the you work with IDW did counseled about that are -- six in my short stories for -- It's pretty cool like that they they wrote to me and asked me if -- minded and I said that sounds really fun and really had my stuff adapted this -- fan imitations whatever this kind of thing. And they they were really great work where they send me all kinds of material for approval. And and I got a fairly closely supervise some of the projects and -- that I like best is."

" We're done there's going to be a trade -- trade is going to be also creative commons license to come -- be available for free downloading and remixing on the Internet and I think we'll just sell more books and and also engaged audience and interesting ways and it's got me thinking about. Other comic ideas about -- tossing an idea for big kind of manga soap opera that. Feminists and you can union organizers fighting goals farmers and now virtual worlds. And a big Easter or short stories around the --"

" Actually asked to do the covers your book yeah but I couldn't because alliance. Yeah I was really don't know about it really bad about it how well when you get -- exclusivity will once in awhile they elect lets you you know there's like exemptions to needs to be had than it did last. -- It's -- doesn't like I was. -- definitely apologize. Headquarters fears me feel even worse because as far as writing instruments that next Wednesday teacher and -- the luckily I'm not under -- explosives yeah it -- until we. If."

" That your internal be creative commons that's -- I yeah no it's not in fact the contract went easier on the verbally abusive contractor like. Whatever it's just an intro that reflect. Like you know you you you you you swear that you know you can and we can have your first born child if it turns out that any word of this was ever published anywhere else isn't likely. It was it was pretty crazy but I hated it and so I mean you're you're right in there I mean -- DC and vertigo and is yours was a deal just a vertigo or is it all DC that'll that'll break it down was also I have like nothing planned that's not bird. -- you're not taking punches and next -- hit and I actually think. As far as writers -- I think I'm the only."

" One I'm -- I could be wrong as far as I know I'm the only. Ryder agency denizens of deal still doing only greater room exist unless that's really. Latest there there may have may have been some someone else and they're they're they're definitely have been hardest. I think first -- instilled. With the with the transmission."

" No no he did write a whole -- didn't do his thing and planetary and you get under cover books -- a lot of friends there too which is yeah."

" So -- with you know Cory Redding a staunch and other current commons you know kind of an advocate of rights and yet you come from the angle working basically for Warner Bros. Not one you know you gotta pay nausea and I don't want to -- in the other but I mean like how does that you know like is that so -- that goes into when you're doing and I mean and indeed you have occurred on deal so it's it's yeah I mean."

" This. I see a lot of late. See a lot of really harsh language thrown thrown at DC about this and -- is trying to hide the fact that you know if you like he'd be given a crater on deal and -- her vertigo -- TC gets. Click control over Blake all the rights for for as long as they have applicant friends. And a lot of TC owns everything just takes your your ideas. And I've -- don't don't find accurate. I don't find I don't feel like you there and it anyway Ellington and ethical company that serves on the dog -- like Heidi and T today details of their deal. That is all in the contract. --"

" I just -- don't don't mind I mean I've done yet in this stuff -- only have control over everything. A lot of Indian companies take similar. Kind of rights and looks like it she doesn't interest just like it sent. So Zoellick didn't -- like there -- the only ones. They didn't they give you a lot of support the trades in the royalties. Unparalleled. In this industry. It's I had no problem. We're working -- them and also like me. I and when you when you just just set them working for Warner Bros. like -- different today than never crossed proper processes and let me like. -- day like it's me and my dad and my bedroom well then I go to the vertical offices like -- There are mixed in with the ceiling there really feels up next room and they and they still looks -- from two. Those delegates diligently to see corporate masters --"

" But I think that I think that you know Brian eradicate them. By and large the contractual stuff is really well understood and well it's not maybe the best shakes and a creator could get its its not the worst either and certainly come a long way since Siegel and Shuster resigning oil the rights in the -- there on the backs they're."

" Paychecks every week. But I but I think that the the people who don't have a voice in this contract negotiations the readers. I'm and that's I think we're creative commons can really come in and I think that it it's a win win although that that big rights holders -- understanding yet it's a win win to say to readers. I you can interpret these works and you can. I use them in a cultural way not a commercial wave to cultural way among yourselves. Using the Internet with -- you always have using offline media and the difference is that you know when when people made costumes or when they. Drew their own panels or when they made their own posters for their bedrooms are shared with their friends or any of that stuff. Borrowed their own fan fiction and circulated that there were no copies being made and there was no way to search that so -- below the level of legal notice. And so no one ever had a lawyer call -- someone who's -- fan fiction and say -- got to cut that out. But like Warners actually did some lawyers after twelve year old girl in Brighton England last year for reading Harry Potter. Transactions and it just doesn't make any sense right I mean and I think that that problem. We did that the reason that comic con exists you know this giant Enron commence with a 140000 people shuffling -- loads of money into the pockets of the comic book companies. The reason exists is because it's not for cultural expression and culture is what happens when people talk to each other. And and the fact when we do this on the Internet it's not searchable and involves making copies. It doesn't shouldn't mean that we -- Copyright law that's intended to govern negotiations between giant companies it's like saying. Well you know community gets a luncheon and and -- you have five -- four -- We should call the SEC to find out whether or not hello this financially Kosher the body of law has its use has but it doesn't have any -- is when applied to individuals doing cultural things. And so you know this is this is the thing that I want to drag publishers and I don't think it's an action I don't really think it's an anti corporate stance. Although some of the big media companies and -- part ways on on ideology. I think that you know you make more money when people care about your stuff and make it make it part of their identity that you do when no one cares about and -- my -- Toledo gave a talk a couple of years Adam Elliott the big TV conference in France and he said. By all means keep putting DRM on your movies keep suing people who download them keep shutting down Internet sites keep doing all of this -- and if you're lucky you'll win and people watch movies anymore and then where will you be."

" And that's working is it copying well -- idea of the internet's not working that's not copying out of the information is only going to get easier to copies of your business model relies on things getting harder to copy. It's time to rethink it you know that's like well you know -- we'll go back to horses we don't have to worry about the horse shoe business this locomotive is justified. I mean it's it's never going to get harder to copy this is as hard as it's ever gonna get you know and a hundred years it'll be a gazillion times easier to copy them. In five years it'll be a gazillion times he's -- tomorrow it'll be."

" A well that that -- just fuel tomorrow's audience scifi kind of stories and comments that surface itself. Excellent well you know it's you know a lot of Indians he's great book and then the state of the industry publishing stuff like that we've probably gone forever but I know -- I think history time and -- and -- the time and beyond the check out there works at a DC comics and in check out Boeing Boeing and non. Crap and dot com for gory stuff and -- thanks Erica -- I was that's -- observation for a hundred it wasn't so Obama again I want to thank Brian enough -- time account on -- busy -- the presidency -- on. If if you have any thoughts on that I'm sure you do you can -- you -- and what dot coming go to the four as a revision3.com. And and you know talk about some of the stuff brought up in there. And allows them to talk about another -- He'd frosty says an email contact Amylin dot com or caller of -- no one at 188 and boys this 18883262697. And this is as one of the cool things argument as you can do stuff like this and that's you know that conversational thing is everything employees that they never met before so we thought and we brings tree just the other them. -- we'll see you next."

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