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3 Secrets To Awesome Surround Sound

Monday, August 4th, 2008 – running time 27:01
Dolby’s wizards reveal the three key tips to getting the best multichannel audio out of your home theater

"How far apart should my front speakers be in my surround sound system?"

That was the most repeated question when we asked you to submit your surround sound questions for the crew at Dolby.

It turns out that distance isn't nearly as critical as the angle at which they point toward the listener!

Dolby was generous enough to share some more tips for maxing out the performance of your multichannel audio system... watch the show to find out what they are, along with what the extra speakers do in a 7.1 system... and a nifty way to use houseplants to soup up your surround sound system!

Dolby's got a great Speaker Setup Guide... and if you're trying to figure out the difference between all the 'flavors' of surround sound, the Tech Overview is quite informative, from the original analog Dolby Surround found on VHS tapes to the latest lossless technology found on Blu-ray disks, Dolby TrueHD.

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" War. There's a sort of system is brought to you by. Go to -- dot com it's -- month of home -- we're going to be building systems are -- that do you like projector we're gonna start out with a part of home -- that everybody tends to ignore surround sound how to make it amazing like this room I'm sitting here Adobe the engineers are gonna explain to us how to tune your -- and set up your speakers and your system for the best surround sound -- that's coming up on this episode of system. Let's talk about surround -- how to set up your home theater had to your room for the ultimate surround sound experience doing this right now. Mr. Craig eight years from dolby to what do you think when you when you look you know you walk in the somebody's house right you look at the -- what makes decree that these distinctions. --"

" I think the biggest mistake and things makes you cringe the most is inspired surround speakers all of a row across the front. That's a -- encouraged about what that's like that you version of the you know the -- involved when speakers here what you there are some really cool. All of Olympic speakers to two point -- to some stereo system was the sound bars -- give you a nice virtual surround effect. But when you have all five speakers an affront to this the system that doesn't work."

" So when you're sitting which we'll take a moment actually talk about the -- This is about -- close to have seen isn't and it and I kingdoms -- and echo chamber is an adversary could get everybody -- living room hand and have an -- chamber I mean you'd you'd ever bigger than and it and that collect and members that weren't and it would change -- a good job. As being sort of a real world kind of environment ranges there's debates to go back in the stereo magazines forever you benchmarks of -- real -- and chain. What's going why do you actually wipes his troops and it seems like there's it's very there's no reflection."

" pay a lot of attention to with the acoustics of the room to ensure that we don't get a lot of reflection that it uses. Acoustic it's perfectly possible we're dolby pro competitive audio and a great environment what is it physically perfect. Consider a perfect means that you don't have base. That's it's too heavy in the room so you know you'd you'd you'd you'd install. Bass traps to to capture bass frequencies are to every. There's no errors in the room where there's the bases empty. That what we call that standing waves were actually you could move would go some place and never been here base but the best part with the symbol for in the corner alone of the wave gets trapped you know your most restaurant that's not a good that's not a good thing that you want to be able to go around -- we have consistent level experience. And we understand also the idea was so -- home theater system is to reproduce frequencies are basically non correct. We don't want to be able to identify that that's so -- over the -- behind this basically is their produce a sound fills the room. At a very reliable manner want to favorite things."

" But a high and I and now audio equipment part of C yes right the only watch these -- 8000 dollars from the room to pad. -- What I mean yeah obviously you get very soft ceiling you got very soft wall panels in here but they're divided. By you know these the static these vertical -- instead it -- so the primary being done and here's the dampening responsible exactly is what's the purpose of the angles at the top of the law or another static."

" Moment the angles -- to -- well ours to reduce. Reflections and and to not get very correction now directional to from your for reflected -- adjacent room."

" So what a question we got like eight times in -- to be obsessed with the you know of the front left in the front. Right channel and it apparently there is a perfect distance begins to openness for surround sound --"

" Points to search house speaker that's our most important speaker home theater system because that's what reproduces 80% over here which is dialogue. So that we want to position that under the scream or above the screen but we want to search -- speaker to be positioned so that the dialogue is anchored to the picture. I mean ideally we would be directly behind the screen are dealing not block which is what happens in a theater cinema -- But and most home -- replacement is about proposed. To critical thing you want to -- that dialogue onto the picture itself. You're left right speakers are that are reproduce music swells reproduced people moving off stage on the stage for you know race cars -- gunshot is going to hear. Those are about it maybe sort of -- thirty degree angle of the center. In -- surround speakers we basically recommend somewhere between ninety -- 110 degrees and surround speakers."

" Now I notice something you've listed. Do you know degrees of angle for a -- distance so I'm thinking you're basically doing those compared to sort of the senator seated position and."

" Precisely onions and a lot of AV receivers when you set them up they actually askew. You know how how far you from each speaker and then they have set ups menus with in the system soft and it would but balances system. Utilizing white -- a pain point sort of forget it should should should should should promote your speakers when you get nice balanced there. That's a good starting point and then the -- ways you can buy a -- meters reddish active to further to that."

" What seems like as I've actually I've I've done -- you know you. You basically with a with a CD generating noise and basically adjusting the level for each of the speakers around -- system so they're not actually looking like the time it takes you from the speaker's position they are."

" And that's whether that's one of the reasons why they ask you what's the distance from your listening position to that speaker because they they measure. They are looking at time and there's delays this or are built into the AV receiver when your coverage and certain up. Two to basically enable you to get the very best sound from where you."

" So it's probably safe to say that if you receiver has signaled on calibrated so it's probably going to be more accurate that you are sitting in your yours -- with wouldn't be here. But about it engineer that's probably the case since I'm the hormone reports us."

" A -- thank what are the sponsors health osprey and he'll keep you theme music dot com check out system as part of -- you -- dot com. We're doing a couple of fun thing I want every month I created you play a list of songs that sound of music that I enjoy want to share with you. If you go to unity dot com slash system you can actually listen previously the song exactly like. Give me if you like them and they get stuff I'd like you don't let me know about it but there's something even better we've got a deal for you can get it increased don't we say three -- docket no fury and a monthly license no restrictions MP3 format encoded at a high rate downs. -- solid and if the songs for -- do you get a good news.com slash system and sign up today checking out -- us a favor. What our sponsors like music dot com they help create a joke you see."

" Through so much for qwest until we do things now. -- should -- technical marketing manager Billy -- so we're just talking before the camera turned on about. If you if you're building theoretically the perfect room. To put a surround sound system and you're actually looking it measurements so much is preachy news."

" Cracked yet what you want to do innovator as you want to try to avoid hitting her room being its seat twice as what that is -- And you one of what is expecting a ratio that is all. So three to one's badly three point 5321 is exactly why. You just want to avoid sending waves that's pretty attractive so what sustainably. Standing wave is is. The wave that would be basically keep on balancing the same way again and again and we'll just keep on going as it was -- reflecting -- as it is up like when you have sort of a poorly designed Sobel further -- me be a little excessively -- to one particular frequency and you put in the right part of the corner of your room and all of a sudden when you want to you know it's hit the entire room sort of lights up -- it exactly but the ways is through all the way to -- summing up at one point and that. Great for disco not so good for soundtracks. So when your time -- one of the recent developments have been hearing about kind of kind of on the bleeding -- just ran sentence is. These twins -- so what's in the hours spotlight so the first of non directional you have -- all the frequencies below 100 Kurds you know sixty Hertz and I had injured your means speakers are. What's the point of adding in addition also offers. The it is -- to balance here -- a basic you have across the room having won support for solar. That the simple for in general when you set -- theater is probably one of the most people -- it's actually set up the problem is because that the weekends are so long to attend to some. One way or another sometime idiot to cancel also would sometime this summer. It's extremely difficult to find the proper spot for support for so having multiple support for his rule tend to diffuse more debates now. Pick an example when you put your ear so walker and home theater -- deal -- can degrading it is actually to put to support her own account. Exactly where you're sitting -- the -- it'll degrade -- on if you click on accounts and then you walk on the road you're gonna find a point where it actually sounds really good you're gonna have approached greeted night. And once you know what a spot it's your tickets if put it wherever elected. And it's -- exact it is true that the -- if you hear well the base wherever you are when the -- on the couch in duties accepting no way around. Puts the best we can find it. The best enforceable for an -- is that because of of the reflections were talking about -- as you know it's it's something called trust a function. Between the two point so the trust function in the room between the sub and wherever you war is true one way or the other. The justice of funky to -- but no cable that's really the best way -- set -- here's a walker which means that the civil global song go to wherever it is. Doesn't mean it's gonna sound as good if you move its C 34 feet. Right so that when having multiples of -- might be able to kind of covert archer area."

" How how big is kind of the sweet spot on orcas we talk about rating your speakers in and sort of the angle to this sweet spot. But they tend to think of as being the center of the counts but you're you've got a family -- we've all seen the Simpsons where today's laid out in a row on the couch making you can you create a sweet spot that's like seven feet wide."

" So the best with -- create awaits its is to have speakers as far away as possible from the switch. Because I think a bit as well when you have a stereo pair of speakers just stereo. As a during the meal that you which is really the from the image right between. If you start moving on one side and what's gonna get slower than the other and also the the which starts shifting -- so. It when you have -- large distance the percentage of if you look at the length the distance into speakers the amount of movement that you have -- how -- an account for example maybe before I feed that. That this doesn't mean much when the speakers are very far apart. Now if the speakers are really close one another friend and -- small movement will completely change to unity it speakers. So what it waits it quite sweet spot to move the speakers away from the."

" So think about like by my sort of living room from hell which is all collapsed -- last year Ericsson fireplace here and it's really long this way if I wanted to -- sweet spot would work better it is sort of you know -- the couch in front of the main entrance and -- got some more distance from the speakers sensitive but Leo it could -- aesthetic way to do it perfect view it -- an -- to remove account further. Criminal there it is these spousal acceptance factor these very low enough to goes to a what is dubbed the dining room table honey we'll put it. There area that's thats gonna go over well so when the things we haven't really addressed is. It seems like talking about sort of the angles that are involved and the positioning it involves a lot of people kind of don't rock bed. Music basically traditional stereo speaker position is a little bit different media lot different racing -- up from surround sound speakers. Can be -- pretty good but I notice like it and I've got some some serious un your nerd friends and at the real high and out of control like IP too much money for my provide copper cable and a -- It almost seems like a lot of them have a set of stereo speakers for listening to music and and have their their home theater system. Yes it's just ridiculous sir."

" Though right you know you're an engineer you can -- the executive going so well some days or. Whether stereo or multi channel it's all about being emotionally get out of it whether you speakers are widely case but that's what -- like that really white image or a very narrow because of something highly directional -- have -- watch -- It's matter of a three days I don't think there's anything wrong with having to. Dodged eggs and we -- amounts of the ratios are -- like them you know who seems like there's this particular. It seems like the angle you use for it stereo setup will be different and and those humans for a surround sound system there is just there for several somebody's who is since you do is called the I use standard and yet you standard is so if you mentioned senator of being zero degree map of each hour and a thirty degree. Plus and minus thirty you're gonna have the -- right channel. And then a 105 degrees and let her own rights and that's the standard right totality of it being makes now if you have a hundred or ninety or 120."

" Okay inspected the classic you know what sounds good you just roll with it has yet I've heard some high and that 50000 dollars speakers -- Repair clips is that a twelve your -- about a garage sale of sound better but I do what you gotta do affect the habit what's the what's the biggest challenging for for in terms of of what you will be looking for in terms of the receiver. And so surround sound speakers you price probably can't get brand specific. Unit -- loves although -- equally yet goods is that a bad thing to say it. -- the service with an audio industry you've gotta keep sensible boom which people be looking for the walk in there they're they're looking for receiver looking for speakers where you guys -- human story."

" Definitely I would say these days you have to -- him. Now it's it's a critical aspect of home theater these days. It's been difficult in the past two all these cables went into the back of the if you are going to fatigue are -- in my it is is a good way to go. It also carries digital audio so you tend to preserve the consequence it better. Obvious that as well placed in my definitely is one element."

" HDMI is that finally gonna be able to carry. True HD signals over HDMI were those -- actually -- what is currently there -- some issues especially with some of the early Blu-ray players yeah in fact there were some wailing and -- and -- clothing as people come culminating you can true HD experience it with you know might -- giant silver and you -- back. You know -- I gotta say like five point one cents brigades -- one okay -- bit more. What's the point of going to -- on compressed form. -- is -- is it is it -- as you wrongly called to reach the united compressed form."

" So it it is. Lossless meaning that what you hear is exactly what has been -- studio so it is compressed it's compressed mathematically so it is culinary expert -- decoder. And then at the decoder is physically a code that is. Just like Wednesday for example represents labels just the president probably never loses anything."

" All the data's there they just make it regardless it just try to -- Do you find mean you know is that is -- most people actually hearing the additional his you know never occurred to me like you know -- when he killed it MP3 I know what's -- you know no matter what anybody says it's not. You know it's not an audio C I can't hear the difference especially in certain types of instruments and stuff. Are there a lot of people I mean there are people can actually hear the difference between a compressed five while want to seven point one. So today she's what you get so caught by one at some point one but if I sort trying to do all the dolby acronyms that'll stop my."

" That when he comes to compress audio it's it's -- deal evolved. So sort of training or experience with -- I mean when -- if you three came around I liked that 128 -- it was just have been iPhone. I want to need to be awesome and in this overtime but I've picked up on one thing and -- and opening it. As soon as he noticed them there's nothing could gamers -- around here and now we're only gonna notice all of them so it's all about picking up these things over time. That. Think of it when it comes to true Christine what people like the most -- trustees is that. They're saying I don't know African here. These differences are no but I just want to make sure that I won't hear anything wrong so just to be a perfect. What you do something wrong because I'm mildly you know here it. So a lot of support she ultra she's just because it is perfect and the ability want."

" This is perfect these are gonna get from the studios yes exactly without actually getting a full Princeton and there. Of rather high end system in -- exactly."

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" So what we look forward to next is there going to be nine point wanted to going to be additional surround sound speakers and Ed of somewhere in this building and no one point there was like a you know 32 dot seven or something crazy like that where you literally sitting in -- dinner -- you know there there were literally speakers and about 270 compass points it's like."

" Credit it's if it's there it's called a sandbox that is that what we call it and we just going to experiment with -- It is difficult because. We when you start thinking about more than five point 17 coolant the benefit of -- of what was to. The benefit of the gap between this -- right or wrong when you try to patent something with -- literally throw it. It's better to have its -- depending across. If you start to go beyond them. You know it gets more and more complicated more and more cables. There are some benefits. You know some people are expected with -- channels will be what experiment with that -- right boys the people. That idea. The former is that yes -- she was using center left center right stimulus so. People have expressed -- with all the stuff and what's interesting is is today into -- standard these speakers location have been defined so it is part of the blue expects to have. I speakers with white speakers to have something etc. always look great speakers now. It's really gonna come down to the cult it now if that's it studios thing that part is going to be great. Then it's gonna happen if picking guys thing that I that would go it's gonna happen it really depends on the content. We have experimented witted and we think -- there is some benefit quit for terrible fight what is the greatest benefit of all right after that it's just. You almost exactly but you have some just -- human to -- is that sort of surround sound speakers at different levels or how to network so. No in general when you talk about heightened hear me talking about the from both at a time and -- If you look at the center expects this because that I've been officially defined by computer industry are. You have -- which is credible let tunnel and yes and hide right -- and it pops around which is single speaker write a book you. So that's what has been defined. Now we ultimate helicopter sort of task exactly yes something -- over here there so these -- the height channels the we'd been defined."

" That would be 123456. In the front and then another three in the back plus one -- so six. It's nine -- the hard 6410. Of the eleven B eleven speakers plus the symbol for habitable perhaps nothing else to go. But hey that's. Yeah I mean it's in the fine I don't who knows maybe studio -- it is will use it -- it we don't know yet but. It's the potential workers if if you're thinking in terms of -- actually when when -- playing on yours yours -- have speakers -- awards and what one. Height doesn't seem to make much difference in the rear speakers yes that's what about the prospects -- he would feel so them."

" When you look at the -- acoustics of do we we perceive zone one thing it is really interesting is. The accuracy that the brain in perceiving movement's -- anything that you can actually see. So if you haven't it's a little bird you know -- French and that burdened -- by one degree you can actually feel that movement. Now if you have the exact seems so behind you the songs to move but fifteen to twenty degrees before actually being perceived as having little. So when it comes to high channel in the back it's probably not the best place would agree that what you really want to do this -- Frogs first and then you want to start -- the backwards because we're we're more to do threats or changes in our farm yeah over over our lifetime we physically -- to you know here is solid look at it and find it -- that means executives and with its -- it's expected."

" So what's that when you're -- would would we talk about Psycho who's who's really hasn't heard that phrase before and it's kind of like busily doodling what's the what's the would you would you -- Psycho acoustics. A lot of things. So you're lighting up you say this is obviously I don't --"

" At the -- circus sticks isn't Kabila is actually a lot of things it could be that we perceive some to say do the way you. Nowhere -- coming from for example so very simple principle is when you have a phone on your right on your but it left. The song is gonna reach and it here first and then the right here. So the brain has his immunity to measure the time delay between the two years so it will know that it's here. Now the problem is just time it is not enough because here and there have exact thing today. So then you start having the frequency response of the two cells so the way did it user -- there should be completely symmetric. And any any sound and moves around we will have a very specific equalization. To your here. Which means that a song that is coming from. Behind you or follow your wallet -- arrives at you know the -- that both hear the same time we'll have different frequency response behind or concern for. So the brain learns oldies -- physically overtime minutes of when you can start picking up things that we go where they are. The other aspect of such acoustic is what you can hear what you cannot hear and that's what made it an -- The digital you know MP3 you know these formats where the goal is. What is it that you cannot hear what today that can get rid of orbital pressing further so technical sticks his physically he's. To mean things those."

" We've talked about sort of how he locates speakers in the room behind the speakers how to tune in the room what can we haven't talked that is sort of different speakers you know we talk about you've got sort of a little you know. Cubes it's basically one little sort of you know it's an oversized Tweeter undersized sort of mid -- speaker written like full size speakers like these paradigms have set up here as are any major difference in your laying out sort of a set of smaller versus larger speakers sir."

" I think it's all about lifestyle and it's what can you tolerate. If you're. Where he -- it really currently sentence factor can be -- exactly and it overall it went. I guess we should never forget that it's against Sony's very emotional and so people would be absolutely fine with having to be useful Cuba and civil critical deal at all the meat in Orange. Some people might like having to sell extremely accurate and also of the within want to beat Rommel. So it's all about preferences I would say. Small home -- to books or can be actually you know performing really well very high end systems are obviously. Not everybody local satellite speakers systems are equal I -- not yet decided you most that are pretty nice wherever you know what basically amounts of fringe boring speaker but. He put that against the full range for what type or standards -- here in deference to authority that I think the most critical aspect about it was Apple Computer is -- have to -- matched speakers. It it's extremely. Knowing when you have the bush you know intentionally goes to the right moment it's a different that the speaker of soda the temperature changes and any goes to the song is complete different again. So if you can match -- could have. Five channels are identical or hosting -- it's."

" It -- The speed goals of the speaker designers if and -- community comes back taxes crimes and -- layers so 80% your sound is really coming through that center channel. Running at channel. Now if it thank you so much good to welcome us."

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" All right I think we'll probably picked up a ton today I know I have first of all political possible for my accountants -- wonder in my room for the dog named company continue. I definitely have not only be surrounds -- in the back but I think my left and right channels are gonna be severely relocated -- a paranormal with Adobe taking time talk to us today."

" Okay."

" War. There's a sort of system is brought to you by. Go to -- dot com it's -- month of home -- we're going to be building systems are -- that do you like projector we're gonna start out with a part of home -- that everybody tends to ignore surround sound how to make it amazing like this room I'm sitting here Adobe the engineers are gonna explain to us how to tune your -- and set up your speakers and your system for the best surround sound -- that's coming up on this episode of system. Let's talk about surround -- how to set up your home theater had to your room for the ultimate surround sound experience doing this right now. Mr. Craig eight years from dolby to what do you think when you when you look you know you walk in the somebody's house right you look at the -- what makes decree that these distinctions. --"

" I think the biggest mistake and things makes you cringe the most is inspired surround speakers all of a row across the front. That's a -- encouraged about what that's like that you version of the you know the -- involved when speakers here what you there are some really cool. All of Olympic speakers to two point -- to some stereo system was the sound bars -- give you a nice virtual surround effect. But when you have all five speakers an affront to this the system that doesn't work."

" So when you're sitting which we'll take a moment actually talk about the -- This is about -- close to have seen isn't and it and I kingdoms -- and echo chamber is an adversary could get everybody -- living room hand and have an -- chamber I mean you'd you'd ever bigger than and it and that collect and members that weren't and it would change -- a good job. As being sort of a real world kind of environment ranges there's debates to go back in the stereo magazines forever you benchmarks of -- real -- and chain. What's going why do you actually wipes his troops and it seems like there's it's very there's no reflection."

" pay a lot of attention to with the acoustics of the room to ensure that we don't get a lot of reflection that it uses. Acoustic it's perfectly possible we're dolby pro competitive audio and a great environment what is it physically perfect. Consider a perfect means that you don't have base. That's it's too heavy in the room so you know you'd you'd you'd you'd install. Bass traps to to capture bass frequencies are to every. There's no errors in the room where there's the bases empty. That what we call that standing waves were actually you could move would go some place and never been here base but the best part with the symbol for in the corner alone of the wave gets trapped you know your most restaurant that's not a good that's not a good thing that you want to be able to go around -- we have consistent level experience. And we understand also the idea was so -- home theater system is to reproduce frequencies are basically non correct. We don't want to be able to identify that that's so -- over the -- behind this basically is their produce a sound fills the room. At a very reliable manner want to favorite things."

" But a high and I and now audio equipment part of C yes right the only watch these -- 8000 dollars from the room to pad. -- What I mean yeah obviously you get very soft ceiling you got very soft wall panels in here but they're divided. By you know these the static these vertical -- instead it -- so the primary being done and here's the dampening responsible exactly is what's the purpose of the angles at the top of the law or another static."

" Moment the angles -- to -- well ours to reduce. Reflections and and to not get very correction now directional to from your for reflected -- adjacent room."

" So what a question we got like eight times in -- to be obsessed with the you know of the front left in the front. Right channel and it apparently there is a perfect distance begins to openness for surround sound --"

" Points to search house speaker that's our most important speaker home theater system because that's what reproduces 80% over here which is dialogue. So that we want to position that under the scream or above the screen but we want to search -- speaker to be positioned so that the dialogue is anchored to the picture. I mean ideally we would be directly behind the screen are dealing not block which is what happens in a theater cinema -- But and most home -- replacement is about proposed. To critical thing you want to -- that dialogue onto the picture itself. You're left right speakers are that are reproduce music swells reproduced people moving off stage on the stage for you know race cars -- gunshot is going to hear. Those are about it maybe sort of -- thirty degree angle of the center. In -- surround speakers we basically recommend somewhere between ninety -- 110 degrees and surround speakers."

" Now I notice something you've listed. Do you know degrees of angle for a -- distance so I'm thinking you're basically doing those compared to sort of the senator seated position and."

" Precisely onions and a lot of AV receivers when you set them up they actually askew. You know how how far you from each speaker and then they have set ups menus with in the system soft and it would but balances system. Utilizing white -- a pain point sort of forget it should should should should should promote your speakers when you get nice balanced there. That's a good starting point and then the -- ways you can buy a -- meters reddish active to further to that."

" What seems like as I've actually I've I've done -- you know you. You basically with a with a CD generating noise and basically adjusting the level for each of the speakers around -- system so they're not actually looking like the time it takes you from the speaker's position they are."

" And that's whether that's one of the reasons why they ask you what's the distance from your listening position to that speaker because they they measure. They are looking at time and there's delays this or are built into the AV receiver when your coverage and certain up. Two to basically enable you to get the very best sound from where you."

" So it's probably safe to say that if you receiver has signaled on calibrated so it's probably going to be more accurate that you are sitting in your yours -- with wouldn't be here. But about it engineer that's probably the case since I'm the hormone reports us."

" A -- thank what are the sponsors health osprey and he'll keep you theme music dot com check out system as part of -- you -- dot com. We're doing a couple of fun thing I want every month I created you play a list of songs that sound of music that I enjoy want to share with you. If you go to unity dot com slash system you can actually listen previously the song exactly like. Give me if you like them and they get stuff I'd like you don't let me know about it but there's something even better we've got a deal for you can get it increased don't we say three -- docket no fury and a monthly license no restrictions MP3 format encoded at a high rate downs. -- solid and if the songs for -- do you get a good news.com slash system and sign up today checking out -- us a favor. What our sponsors like music dot com they help create a joke you see."

" Through so much for qwest until we do things now. -- should -- technical marketing manager Billy -- so we're just talking before the camera turned on about. If you if you're building theoretically the perfect room. To put a surround sound system and you're actually looking it measurements so much is preachy news."

" Cracked yet what you want to do innovator as you want to try to avoid hitting her room being its seat twice as what that is -- And you one of what is expecting a ratio that is all. So three to one's badly three point 5321 is exactly why. You just want to avoid sending waves that's pretty attractive so what sustainably. Standing wave is is. The wave that would be basically keep on balancing the same way again and again and we'll just keep on going as it was -- reflecting -- as it is up like when you have sort of a poorly designed Sobel further -- me be a little excessively -- to one particular frequency and you put in the right part of the corner of your room and all of a sudden when you want to you know it's hit the entire room sort of lights up -- it exactly but the ways is through all the way to -- summing up at one point and that. Great for disco not so good for soundtracks. So when your time -- one of the recent developments have been hearing about kind of kind of on the bleeding -- just ran sentence is. These twins -- so what's in the hours spotlight so the first of non directional you have -- all the frequencies below 100 Kurds you know sixty Hertz and I had injured your means speakers are. What's the point of adding in addition also offers. The it is -- to balance here -- a basic you have across the room having won support for solar. That the simple for in general when you set -- theater is probably one of the most people -- it's actually set up the problem is because that the weekends are so long to attend to some. One way or another sometime idiot to cancel also would sometime this summer. It's extremely difficult to find the proper spot for support for so having multiple support for his rule tend to diffuse more debates now. Pick an example when you put your ear so walker and home theater -- deal -- can degrading it is actually to put to support her own account. Exactly where you're sitting -- the -- it'll degrade -- on if you click on accounts and then you walk on the road you're gonna find a point where it actually sounds really good you're gonna have approached greeted night. And once you know what a spot it's your tickets if put it wherever elected. And it's -- exact it is true that the -- if you hear well the base wherever you are when the -- on the couch in duties accepting no way around. Puts the best we can find it. The best enforceable for an -- is that because of of the reflections were talking about -- as you know it's it's something called trust a function. Between the two point so the trust function in the room between the sub and wherever you war is true one way or the other. The justice of funky to -- but no cable that's really the best way -- set -- here's a walker which means that the civil global song go to wherever it is. Doesn't mean it's gonna sound as good if you move its C 34 feet. Right so that when having multiples of -- might be able to kind of covert archer area."

" How how big is kind of the sweet spot on orcas we talk about rating your speakers in and sort of the angle to this sweet spot. But they tend to think of as being the center of the counts but you're you've got a family -- we've all seen the Simpsons where today's laid out in a row on the couch making you can you create a sweet spot that's like seven feet wide."

" So the best with -- create awaits its is to have speakers as far away as possible from the switch. Because I think a bit as well when you have a stereo pair of speakers just stereo. As a during the meal that you which is really the from the image right between. If you start moving on one side and what's gonna get slower than the other and also the the which starts shifting -- so. It when you have -- large distance the percentage of if you look at the length the distance into speakers the amount of movement that you have -- how -- an account for example maybe before I feed that. That this doesn't mean much when the speakers are very far apart. Now if the speakers are really close one another friend and -- small movement will completely change to unity it speakers. So what it waits it quite sweet spot to move the speakers away from the."

" So think about like by my sort of living room from hell which is all collapsed -- last year Ericsson fireplace here and it's really long this way if I wanted to -- sweet spot would work better it is sort of you know -- the couch in front of the main entrance and -- got some more distance from the speakers sensitive but Leo it could -- aesthetic way to do it perfect view it -- an -- to remove account further. Criminal there it is these spousal acceptance factor these very low enough to goes to a what is dubbed the dining room table honey we'll put it. There area that's thats gonna go over well so when the things we haven't really addressed is. It seems like talking about sort of the angles that are involved and the positioning it involves a lot of people kind of don't rock bed. Music basically traditional stereo speaker position is a little bit different media lot different racing -- up from surround sound speakers. Can be -- pretty good but I notice like it and I've got some some serious un your nerd friends and at the real high and out of control like IP too much money for my provide copper cable and a -- It almost seems like a lot of them have a set of stereo speakers for listening to music and and have their their home theater system. Yes it's just ridiculous sir."

" Though right you know you're an engineer you can -- the executive going so well some days or. Whether stereo or multi channel it's all about being emotionally get out of it whether you speakers are widely case but that's what -- like that really white image or a very narrow because of something highly directional -- have -- watch -- It's matter of a three days I don't think there's anything wrong with having to. Dodged eggs and we -- amounts of the ratios are -- like them you know who seems like there's this particular. It seems like the angle you use for it stereo setup will be different and and those humans for a surround sound system there is just there for several somebody's who is since you do is called the I use standard and yet you standard is so if you mentioned senator of being zero degree map of each hour and a thirty degree. Plus and minus thirty you're gonna have the -- right channel. And then a 105 degrees and let her own rights and that's the standard right totality of it being makes now if you have a hundred or ninety or 120."

" Okay inspected the classic you know what sounds good you just roll with it has yet I've heard some high and that 50000 dollars speakers -- Repair clips is that a twelve your -- about a garage sale of sound better but I do what you gotta do affect the habit what's the what's the biggest challenging for for in terms of of what you will be looking for in terms of the receiver. And so surround sound speakers you price probably can't get brand specific. Unit -- loves although -- equally yet goods is that a bad thing to say it. -- the service with an audio industry you've gotta keep sensible boom which people be looking for the walk in there they're they're looking for receiver looking for speakers where you guys -- human story."

" Definitely I would say these days you have to -- him. Now it's it's a critical aspect of home theater these days. It's been difficult in the past two all these cables went into the back of the if you are going to fatigue are -- in my it is is a good way to go. It also carries digital audio so you tend to preserve the consequence it better. Obvious that as well placed in my definitely is one element."

" HDMI is that finally gonna be able to carry. True HD signals over HDMI were those -- actually -- what is currently there -- some issues especially with some of the early Blu-ray players yeah in fact there were some wailing and -- and -- clothing as people come culminating you can true HD experience it with you know might -- giant silver and you -- back. You know -- I gotta say like five point one cents brigades -- one okay -- bit more. What's the point of going to -- on compressed form. -- is -- is it is it -- as you wrongly called to reach the united compressed form."

" So it it is. Lossless meaning that what you hear is exactly what has been -- studio so it is compressed it's compressed mathematically so it is culinary expert -- decoder. And then at the decoder is physically a code that is. Just like Wednesday for example represents labels just the president probably never loses anything."

" All the data's there they just make it regardless it just try to -- Do you find mean you know is that is -- most people actually hearing the additional his you know never occurred to me like you know -- when he killed it MP3 I know what's -- you know no matter what anybody says it's not. You know it's not an audio C I can't hear the difference especially in certain types of instruments and stuff. Are there a lot of people I mean there are people can actually hear the difference between a compressed five while want to seven point one. So today she's what you get so caught by one at some point one but if I sort trying to do all the dolby acronyms that'll stop my."

" That when he comes to compress audio it's it's -- deal evolved. So sort of training or experience with -- I mean when -- if you three came around I liked that 128 -- it was just have been iPhone. I want to need to be awesome and in this overtime but I've picked up on one thing and -- and opening it. As soon as he noticed them there's nothing could gamers -- around here and now we're only gonna notice all of them so it's all about picking up these things over time. That. Think of it when it comes to true Christine what people like the most -- trustees is that. They're saying I don't know African here. These differences are no but I just want to make sure that I won't hear anything wrong so just to be a perfect. What you do something wrong because I'm mildly you know here it. So a lot of support she ultra she's just because it is perfect and the ability want."

" This is perfect these are gonna get from the studios yes exactly without actually getting a full Princeton and there. Of rather high end system in -- exactly."

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" So what we look forward to next is there going to be nine point wanted to going to be additional surround sound speakers and Ed of somewhere in this building and no one point there was like a you know 32 dot seven or something crazy like that where you literally sitting in -- dinner -- you know there there were literally speakers and about 270 compass points it's like."

" Credit it's if it's there it's called a sandbox that is that what we call it and we just going to experiment with -- It is difficult because. We when you start thinking about more than five point 17 coolant the benefit of -- of what was to. The benefit of the gap between this -- right or wrong when you try to patent something with -- literally throw it. It's better to have its -- depending across. If you start to go beyond them. You know it gets more and more complicated more and more cables. There are some benefits. You know some people are expected with -- channels will be what experiment with that -- right boys the people. That idea. The former is that yes -- she was using center left center right stimulus so. People have expressed -- with all the stuff and what's interesting is is today into -- standard these speakers location have been defined so it is part of the blue expects to have. I speakers with white speakers to have something etc. always look great speakers now. It's really gonna come down to the cult it now if that's it studios thing that part is going to be great. Then it's gonna happen if picking guys thing that I that would go it's gonna happen it really depends on the content. We have experimented witted and we think -- there is some benefit quit for terrible fight what is the greatest benefit of all right after that it's just. You almost exactly but you have some just -- human to -- is that sort of surround sound speakers at different levels or how to network so. No in general when you talk about heightened hear me talking about the from both at a time and -- If you look at the center expects this because that I've been officially defined by computer industry are. You have -- which is credible let tunnel and yes and hide right -- and it pops around which is single speaker write a book you. So that's what has been defined. Now we ultimate helicopter sort of task exactly yes something -- over here there so these -- the height channels the we'd been defined."

" That would be 123456. In the front and then another three in the back plus one -- so six. It's nine -- the hard 6410. Of the eleven B eleven speakers plus the symbol for habitable perhaps nothing else to go. But hey that's. Yeah I mean it's in the fine I don't who knows maybe studio -- it is will use it -- it we don't know yet but. It's the potential workers if if you're thinking in terms of -- actually when when -- playing on yours yours -- have speakers -- awards and what one. Height doesn't seem to make much difference in the rear speakers yes that's what about the prospects -- he would feel so them."

" When you look at the -- acoustics of do we we perceive zone one thing it is really interesting is. The accuracy that the brain in perceiving movement's -- anything that you can actually see. So if you haven't it's a little bird you know -- French and that burdened -- by one degree you can actually feel that movement. Now if you have the exact seems so behind you the songs to move but fifteen to twenty degrees before actually being perceived as having little. So when it comes to high channel in the back it's probably not the best place would agree that what you really want to do this -- Frogs first and then you want to start -- the backwards because we're we're more to do threats or changes in our farm yeah over over our lifetime we physically -- to you know here is solid look at it and find it -- that means executives and with its -- it's expected."

" So what's that when you're -- would would we talk about Psycho who's who's really hasn't heard that phrase before and it's kind of like busily doodling what's the what's the would you would you -- Psycho acoustics. A lot of things. So you're lighting up you say this is obviously I don't --"

" At the -- circus sticks isn't Kabila is actually a lot of things it could be that we perceive some to say do the way you. Nowhere -- coming from for example so very simple principle is when you have a phone on your right on your but it left. The song is gonna reach and it here first and then the right here. So the brain has his immunity to measure the time delay between the two years so it will know that it's here. Now the problem is just time it is not enough because here and there have exact thing today. So then you start having the frequency response of the two cells so the way did it user -- there should be completely symmetric. And any any sound and moves around we will have a very specific equalization. To your here. Which means that a song that is coming from. Behind you or follow your wallet -- arrives at you know the -- that both hear the same time we'll have different frequency response behind or concern for. So the brain learns oldies -- physically overtime minutes of when you can start picking up things that we go where they are. The other aspect of such acoustic is what you can hear what you cannot hear and that's what made it an -- The digital you know MP3 you know these formats where the goal is. What is it that you cannot hear what today that can get rid of orbital pressing further so technical sticks his physically he's. To mean things those."

" We've talked about sort of how he locates speakers in the room behind the speakers how to tune in the room what can we haven't talked that is sort of different speakers you know we talk about you've got sort of a little you know. Cubes it's basically one little sort of you know it's an oversized Tweeter undersized sort of mid -- speaker written like full size speakers like these paradigms have set up here as are any major difference in your laying out sort of a set of smaller versus larger speakers sir."

" I think it's all about lifestyle and it's what can you tolerate. If you're. Where he -- it really currently sentence factor can be -- exactly and it overall it went. I guess we should never forget that it's against Sony's very emotional and so people would be absolutely fine with having to be useful Cuba and civil critical deal at all the meat in Orange. Some people might like having to sell extremely accurate and also of the within want to beat Rommel. So it's all about preferences I would say. Small home -- to books or can be actually you know performing really well very high end systems are obviously. Not everybody local satellite speakers systems are equal I -- not yet decided you most that are pretty nice wherever you know what basically amounts of fringe boring speaker but. He put that against the full range for what type or standards -- here in deference to authority that I think the most critical aspect about it was Apple Computer is -- have to -- matched speakers. It it's extremely. Knowing when you have the bush you know intentionally goes to the right moment it's a different that the speaker of soda the temperature changes and any goes to the song is complete different again. So if you can match -- could have. Five channels are identical or hosting -- it's."

" It -- The speed goals of the speaker designers if and -- community comes back taxes crimes and -- layers so 80% your sound is really coming through that center channel. Running at channel. Now if it thank you so much good to welcome us."

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" All right I think we'll probably picked up a ton today I know I have first of all political possible for my accountants -- wonder in my room for the dog named company continue. I definitely have not only be surrounds -- in the back but I think my left and right channels are gonna be severely relocated -- a paranormal with Adobe taking time talk to us today."

" Okay."

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Started discussion: August 4, 2008 @ 6:16pm GMT

Episode 63 - 3 Secrets To Awesome Surround Sound [Discussion]

Dolby’s wizards reveal the three key tips to getting the best multichannel audio out of your home theater

Watch and download this episode of Systm here.

nextgenxbox
about 1 year ago
Awesome!
haku
about 1 year ago
"It's our month of home theater, we're gonna be building systems, we're gonna be building a DIY projector..."

Ha, neat, very much looking forward to the next episodes. I bet Patrick does a better job than when I built a LumenLab projector a few years ago. Proper tools and a workshop do tend to help ;)

As for this episode, interesting stuff, mainly it reminds me I've got to sort out my 5.1 setup because my rear speakers are buried behind too much stuff and the front 3 are all sitting on top of my widescreen.


Curiously there's no mention of tactile transducers, aka bass shakers that can strongly vibrate the chair/sofa you're sitting on as an addition/substitue to the subwoofer. I've got a couple of Aura shakers bolted to the back of this chair and they're pretty fun when watching a typical hollywood action film with big explosions.

You can make your own bass shaker from an old speaker, essentially you exchange the cone for a heavy weight, I had a go at making one and with some tweaking it works pretty effectively but not as small or as asthetic as an Aura one. This is a nice example of how to make a bass shaker: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1008901/cool_bass_shaker/
fishtoprecords
about 1 year ago
Weak episode. Nothing new here that you can't get by buying one magazine of the many in the Sound and Vision space.

A big ad for Dolby with nearly zero technical content.

What is behind True HD Sound? is it MLP? Something else? They hinted it was lossless, but never said that.
justin111
about 1 year ago

speakers

Are those Klipsch speakers that they're using in their sound room? Does anyone know?

EDIT: Nevermind, I'm an idiot, I should have finished watching the episode before posting my post :P
wat_wace
about 1 year ago
That is so funny. Bitgravity must be down. All of the show links though out Rev are going to a 404 page.
vree
about 1 year ago
In reply to haku:
"It's our month of home theater, we're gonna be building systems, we're gonna be building a DIY projector..."

Awesome!! It will be great to hear some in-depth coverage of Home Theater setups. There is so much information out there, and so much of it conflicts, that it is downright confusing.

Great lead out with the Dolby crew. I would have liked to see some compare and contrast between DTS MA and Dolby True HD, but it was still great brand-agnostic information on sound quality.

Hope to see some good information on projectors, as well as screens. This episode mentioned housing the center channel behind the screen. I would like to know if there are commercially available screens and setups to actually make this happen in the home.

Again, great show guys. I am looking forward to the future home theater episodes.
Tritium
about 1 year ago
Does anyone have linkages to the specs that were mentioned in the show refrencing what would ammount to an 11.1 or 11.2 system? was it part of the blu-ray spec or the truehd spec? I didnt catch it clearly even when i went back to relisten to it. (11.2 = Center, Left, Right, Center High, Left High, Right Hight, Left Surround, Right Surround, Left Surround Back, Right Surround Back, Sub1, Sub2, Ceiling)
melta
about 1 year ago

Seconded

I think the episode was alright. I think generally systm has picked up a lot lately, it's been an uneven show and for a while I thought it was doing really bad, with a couple of bad shows coming back to back.

Lately however systm has been good I think. If the dolby episode was coming from nowhere I think I would have been more skeptical. But since this is a part of (among other things?)a DIY projector I see it as a research background and it feels in place, and well structured. And relevant and therefore interesting.

The DIY projector project sounds awsome, I REALLY hope systm don't rush it.

Systm tends to lack consistency. What if you would have tied the freeNAS to this episode to store massive amounts of movies to be played on the home theatre later on?

A Mythbox or equivalent episode coming to hook it to the projector.
After that making a DIY canvas for the projector.
Then maybe make a DIY remote receiver with Lirc, thats a quick episode.

Don't just make a show about hacking stuff, make a show with the intention to change peoples home with hacking! But with some form of coherent appeal. This new direction that systm is heading to seems to be awsome, exactly what it needs.
Tritium
about 1 year ago
In reply to melta:
I think the episode was alright. I think generally systm has picked up a lot lately, it's been an uneven show and for a while I thought it was doing really bad, with a couple of bad shows coming back to back.

Lately however systm has been good I think. If the dolby episode was coming from nowhere I think I would have been more skeptical. But since this is a part of (among other things?)a DIY projector I see it as a research background and it feels in place, and well structured. And relevant and therefore interesting.

The DIY projector project sounds awsome, I REALLY hope systm don't rush it.

Systm tends to lack consistency. What if you would have tied the freeNAS to this episode to store massive amounts of movies to be played on the home theatre later on?

A Mythbox or equivalent episode coming to hook it to the projector.
After that making a DIY canvas for the projector.
Then maybe make a DIY remote receiver with Lirc, thats a quick episode.

Don't just make a show about hacking stuff, make a show with the intention to change peoples home with hacking! But with some form of coherent appeal. This new direction that systm is heading to seems to be awsome, exactly what it needs.

At the moment, for tie-ins I'd just love for them to revisit the things they said they would revisit. For example how did the indestructible usb key do in the washing machine? How far did they get with the wifi linkup? Did they actually get the lemon battery working? Go back in almost every episode they have something in their project that they plan on revisiting either later in the episode or in a future episode that they never do. Im not criticizing... they have my project ethic, so it would be hypocritical to do so. They need a co-host. They need a new Dave (though he is irreplaceable).

EDIT: As a note, the FreeNAS episode was a quick on the spot replacement for the VMWare episode that was tapped for the following week. Tom was sick and roger came up with that in a pinch.
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