DIY Hydrogen for More MPG: Part 1
Monday, January 7th, 2008 running time 09:11
Car + Hydrogen = Better Mileage? We're not quite ready to drop the cash on one of those under hood mileage boosters being sold all over the web.. but using water electrolysis to produce Hydrogen sounded like a good first step!
Hydrogen + Car = Better Mileage?
Back in Episode 29 we pointed out that -a lot- of Systm viewers are majorly curious about the under-hood kits that feed Hydrogen and Oxygen into your intake... and claim they can boost your mileage 25-50%.
We've seen 'em for sale on eBay, and Craigstlist, and all over the Net.
Typically, they cost close to a grand... so, of course, you want -us- to buy one (or build one) and install it on our car to see what happens.
OK.
First off, let's say that the theory is sound on some level: diesel engines are commonly paired with Propane injection to improve overall mileage. (Side note: Hydrogen, per volume, has a -lot- less energy than Propane or LG, or Gasoline, or Diesel.)
We decided to start this one slow... by playing around with water electrolysis and seeing how much Hydrogen we can generate with our car battery and bits and pieces culled from local hardware stores; pretty much what we're seeing in these $600-$1000 kits.
We definitely made a tiny bit of Hydrogen... but not nearly enough, we think, to much impact your mileage.
Part of that might be that our electrode design sucked: it needs a major increase in surface area... we were too concerned with not contaminating things (ala the Platinum electrodes in a Hofman voltameter) and graphite is a good third after Platinum and Gold there. We should have gone with lots of stainless steel.
We also should have captured both the Hydrogen and the Oxygen generated by the electrolysis... depending on where you're looking, it's called OxyHydrogen, or Brown's Gas, or Hydrox, or, Hydrogan and Oxygen.
Still, tho, we're not convinced you can produce enough Oxygen and Hydrogen to impact your mileage... we'll tweak our design, and finish up picking one of the under-hood kits and see if what happens to our test vehicle.
Should be fun!
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Automatically Generated Transcript(may not be 100% accurate) ( more )
" Hey welcome system episode 32 U. I'm Patrick Norton behind the can't we can't seem that are fantasy series producer -- chains operating camera. We're a little bit of fun this episode in the quiet evening hours here in the studio Revision -- has all the contractors are finally out of the building which means we can finally get in. And hopefully this won't end up. You know resulting in divorce hmm between my wife and I but you don't really care about that -- you -- about the practical working on. One of things you guys -- generally excited about or at least it he became excited about us -- excited about as in you guys tested we don't want it. It is those under the hood mileage -- involved. Usually like Charles assistant that he's hydrogen in the ideas they're going to increase the mileage on your car. I think that's an interesting concept. Over the air conditioner -- okay. So the idea right is that you trickle hydrogen. Into your cars in a -- fuel injected into modern vehicle incorporated older vehicle. And it's going to increase the amount of gasoline combustion did. And increasing fuel efficiency now. Quit snickering can the idea actually works the uses with diesel vehicles and propane all the time basically they trickle propane diesel system and -- vastly more complete burn all the diesel fuel makes it more efficient. We actually hear about these crimes trial runs -- somebody takes a diesel truck like. Confidence in the 540 miles out of it okay it's controlled environment. -- you know let's test track it here at low -- is the last area but generally higher quality yet. But they also through appropriate in the mix of actors you see you next users is born again that he'll. Could trickling hydrogen into your gasoline. Engine increased amount. The answer a definitive needy and we're waiting for one of those you know. And 4% boost fuel hydrogen. And hybrid because they threw every bogus term on the web they can possibly get in there for search engine optimization just because they think it's gonna sell more these gadgets. Yet we're player amber look at two -- them -- disclose what thousand dollars to get one of these we're not gonna spend as much money might you be buying -- Plans for me -- reached out into hydrogen car -- or optimize or booster there's so much crap that is downloaded it's the people are doing patent searches in finding these miracles systems. And trying to sell on -- it instantly explain forty expert Pia that you -- free information website. We are gonna play room right now is what Wallace's look at your hall and bolts of community pirates construction. And there are via platinum electrode and actually an anode and cathode. And it you know the negative voltage is going to produce hydrogen in the positive -- is going to produce oxygen to great. But you know what we can play around instruct the -- we went to school science classes we -- sleep through most of them so we're gonna do little. Well a little hacking out here we run the hardware store we've run into the supermarket. And we have basic supplies we need electricity. DC electricity. We're gonna use graphite in the form of a -- pencil lands. Those are going to be our -- substitute for platinum we can't afford plant chemicals your stories graphite works quite -- mostly. We've got some jumper cables because -- fair game basically said -- first wallet palaces on the sort of shorten it up Korea. The more current you throw at it the more -- What's that it your throne and -- a sol solution. Lot of times and basically would have played around with this -- be security table -- nothing wrong with that but it produces chlorine. Along the oxygen when -- country -- chlorine or leaving it here in the studio so we're gonna play around it baking soda which produce more oxygen. We got a pile of mass here where electricity -- and -- solutions he's making capture a little bit hydrogen. Now we're gonna show a little -- this looks like an excellent -- twelve volts DC and you can tell us or you know one. -- included -- the science and then you can tell us if you think he can produce heightened in this way to do anything useful he told them that. Jewels her -- quantity. -- Got a little hydrogen production device hooked up to the twelve volt battery in my truck which is a considerably more powerful source of current running through this. Are enormously complicated sketch we started out with just kept getting simple instant."
" Photo wind up using all right we -- four games jumper cables. In the creates copper cables we've actually test the carbon. Pencil lead. From the carpenters mechanical carpenter's pencil got a bunch that's the biggest -- we could find. A -- all stainless steel plate my service better at something to play around in the future. And what. We are using a incredibly sophisticated -- Container to capture hydrogen into bubble top there's some hydrogen -- couple minutes it's been running. And thanks to our local hardware store that a couple zip ties. And a piece. Bending steel to hold. Are negative. Electric up in the movie and and generating RIV games we're gonna -- back in here -- it back up to the car. And see what's mayhem ensues."
" Likewise consistent with debris for from the pulpit even on the -- donated to go that it got opera is 70% less than the competition policies and includes free -- with a web -- over a free book please email and much more. Plus Erica it's just one SYS one when you check out in the -- an additional 10% on any order. Some restrictions apply see the site -- detailed picture because the Internet GoDaddy got templates you can read over 75000. Titles online including a lot of HD dvd and Blu-ray titles with free shipping both ways to your home. They now have over forty shipping centers so almost all the -- happened in just one business day. Netflix plans start from 499 as a new member you need to -- two week free trial membership you check it out at www. Netflix dot com. Slash system that's SY ST yeah. I'd like a free trial subscription doctor -- journal few -- software magazine Q information week Internet telephony sell goods that got a card. A free -- the trade -- dot com. And not just -- next trying to TV or halt completely free ad system Dutch trade post dot com."
" Okay the other holding them there. Considerably. Stardom and out of a little for that matter. The surprise -- battery that's thousand hydrogen bubbling up from the event. Yeah."
" Oh man it's raining again we have electricity it's time to go back inside -- blow ourselves up but look let's face it. The high school physics aspect of this definitely want. He got a decent amount of courage on the putting your car a proper battery. And that's definitely enough electricity generate hydrogen now with our little jury -- set up with the electorate in there I'm not thinking we're getting enough hydrogen. To make it easy difference on the miles per gallon performs the automobile. For the more sophisticated design maybe they can produce the hydrogen and basically the volume fair day's launch definitely works with throwing more average data for current and it and we're definitely getting higher production volume for a number of minutes we sit here. But you know that's that's a whopping ten minutes a hydrogen right there at the top of the bottle. That's not a lot of hydrogen. The roughly around this or more mind if you use -- play around with doing it well ventilated area to a non flammable clothes and hey if your kids don't do that your parents help. And fire extinguishers non flammable materials stay away from the curtains and cash plus. -- Norton system we'll see -- next -- yeah."
" Hey welcome system episode 32 U. I'm Patrick Norton behind the can't we can't seem that are fantasy series producer -- chains operating camera. We're a little bit of fun this episode in the quiet evening hours here in the studio Revision -- has all the contractors are finally out of the building which means we can finally get in. And hopefully this won't end up. You know resulting in divorce hmm between my wife and I but you don't really care about that -- you -- about the practical working on. One of things you guys -- generally excited about or at least it he became excited about us -- excited about as in you guys tested we don't want it. It is those under the hood mileage -- involved. Usually like Charles assistant that he's hydrogen in the ideas they're going to increase the mileage on your car. I think that's an interesting concept. Over the air conditioner -- okay. So the idea right is that you trickle hydrogen. Into your cars in a -- fuel injected into modern vehicle incorporated older vehicle. And it's going to increase the amount of gasoline combustion did. And increasing fuel efficiency now. Quit snickering can the idea actually works the uses with diesel vehicles and propane all the time basically they trickle propane diesel system and -- vastly more complete burn all the diesel fuel makes it more efficient. We actually hear about these crimes trial runs -- somebody takes a diesel truck like. Confidence in the 540 miles out of it okay it's controlled environment. -- you know let's test track it here at low -- is the last area but generally higher quality yet. But they also through appropriate in the mix of actors you see you next users is born again that he'll. Could trickling hydrogen into your gasoline. Engine increased amount. The answer a definitive needy and we're waiting for one of those you know. And 4% boost fuel hydrogen. And hybrid because they threw every bogus term on the web they can possibly get in there for search engine optimization just because they think it's gonna sell more these gadgets. Yet we're player amber look at two -- them -- disclose what thousand dollars to get one of these we're not gonna spend as much money might you be buying -- Plans for me -- reached out into hydrogen car -- or optimize or booster there's so much crap that is downloaded it's the people are doing patent searches in finding these miracles systems. And trying to sell on -- it instantly explain forty expert Pia that you -- free information website. We are gonna play room right now is what Wallace's look at your hall and bolts of community pirates construction. And there are via platinum electrode and actually an anode and cathode. And it you know the negative voltage is going to produce hydrogen in the positive -- is going to produce oxygen to great. But you know what we can play around instruct the -- we went to school science classes we -- sleep through most of them so we're gonna do little. Well a little hacking out here we run the hardware store we've run into the supermarket. And we have basic supplies we need electricity. DC electricity. We're gonna use graphite in the form of a -- pencil lands. Those are going to be our -- substitute for platinum we can't afford plant chemicals your stories graphite works quite -- mostly. We've got some jumper cables because -- fair game basically said -- first wallet palaces on the sort of shorten it up Korea. The more current you throw at it the more -- What's that it your throne and -- a sol solution. Lot of times and basically would have played around with this -- be security table -- nothing wrong with that but it produces chlorine. Along the oxygen when -- country -- chlorine or leaving it here in the studio so we're gonna play around it baking soda which produce more oxygen. We got a pile of mass here where electricity -- and -- solutions he's making capture a little bit hydrogen. Now we're gonna show a little -- this looks like an excellent -- twelve volts DC and you can tell us or you know one. -- included -- the science and then you can tell us if you think he can produce heightened in this way to do anything useful he told them that. Jewels her -- quantity. -- Got a little hydrogen production device hooked up to the twelve volt battery in my truck which is a considerably more powerful source of current running through this. Are enormously complicated sketch we started out with just kept getting simple instant."
" Photo wind up using all right we -- four games jumper cables. In the creates copper cables we've actually test the carbon. Pencil lead. From the carpenters mechanical carpenter's pencil got a bunch that's the biggest -- we could find. A -- all stainless steel plate my service better at something to play around in the future. And what. We are using a incredibly sophisticated -- Container to capture hydrogen into bubble top there's some hydrogen -- couple minutes it's been running. And thanks to our local hardware store that a couple zip ties. And a piece. Bending steel to hold. Are negative. Electric up in the movie and and generating RIV games we're gonna -- back in here -- it back up to the car. And see what's mayhem ensues."
" Likewise consistent with debris for from the pulpit even on the -- donated to go that it got opera is 70% less than the competition policies and includes free -- with a web -- over a free book please email and much more. Plus Erica it's just one SYS one when you check out in the -- an additional 10% on any order. Some restrictions apply see the site -- detailed picture because the Internet GoDaddy got templates you can read over 75000. Titles online including a lot of HD dvd and Blu-ray titles with free shipping both ways to your home. They now have over forty shipping centers so almost all the -- happened in just one business day. Netflix plans start from 499 as a new member you need to -- two week free trial membership you check it out at www. Netflix dot com. Slash system that's SY ST yeah. I'd like a free trial subscription doctor -- journal few -- software magazine Q information week Internet telephony sell goods that got a card. A free -- the trade -- dot com. And not just -- next trying to TV or halt completely free ad system Dutch trade post dot com."
" Okay the other holding them there. Considerably. Stardom and out of a little for that matter. The surprise -- battery that's thousand hydrogen bubbling up from the event. Yeah."
" Oh man it's raining again we have electricity it's time to go back inside -- blow ourselves up but look let's face it. The high school physics aspect of this definitely want. He got a decent amount of courage on the putting your car a proper battery. And that's definitely enough electricity generate hydrogen now with our little jury -- set up with the electorate in there I'm not thinking we're getting enough hydrogen. To make it easy difference on the miles per gallon performs the automobile. For the more sophisticated design maybe they can produce the hydrogen and basically the volume fair day's launch definitely works with throwing more average data for current and it and we're definitely getting higher production volume for a number of minutes we sit here. But you know that's that's a whopping ten minutes a hydrogen right there at the top of the bottle. That's not a lot of hydrogen. The roughly around this or more mind if you use -- play around with doing it well ventilated area to a non flammable clothes and hey if your kids don't do that your parents help. And fire extinguishers non flammable materials stay away from the curtains and cash plus. -- Norton system we'll see -- next -- yeah."
chuckles
Started discussion: January 7, 2008 @ 5:15pm GMT
Episode 32: Battery [Discussion]
Car + Hydrogen = Better Mileage? We're not quite ready to drop the cash on one of those under hood mileage boosters being sold all over the web.. but using water electrolysis to produce Hydrogen sounded like a good first step!
Wildcard
about 1 year ago
Is it just me, or did the quality of the video take a sharp nosedive? It looks like whoever compressed it used too much compression.
crumbles
about 1 year ago
In reply to Wildcard:
Yes, it was horrible. I think chuckles mentioned something about the video's being better soon. However, he may only be talking about pixel perfect... Is it just me, or did the quality of the video take a sharp nosedive? It looks like whoever compressed it used too much compression.
thinkofwhy
about 1 year ago
Could've done much better
Patrick, I'm surprised, given google and all. Just search "HHO" on YouTube and see what you could've used. :(
Hklax
about 1 year ago
To produce vast amounts of hydrogen and oxygen out of water, you should check out the "Stanley meyer" fuel cell, Stanley meyer is the inventor of a fuel cell capable of producing vast amounts of brown gas , he suddenly died in 1990 after publishing his invention to the world, giving fuel to many conspiracy theories, his patents just recently became common-ground, a group of people started a institute which has been continuing his research.
Most of the plans given out by the institute is based off of off the shelf electrical components easily bought in any radio-shack, the institute have released complete plans to build a cell the best pat is that it's free and that the electronics is based on a 12v system. Meyer from the start was intending on using his devices to drive cars and electrical generators. the url to the institute is: Http://www.h2earth.org/main.htm
Man, I sound like a commercial or something :)
Most of the plans given out by the institute is based off of off the shelf electrical components easily bought in any radio-shack, the institute have released complete plans to build a cell the best pat is that it's free and that the electronics is based on a 12v system. Meyer from the start was intending on using his devices to drive cars and electrical generators. the url to the institute is: Http://www.h2earth.org/main.htm
Man, I sound like a commercial or something :)
robotlewer3
about 1 year ago
your wasting time
hey guysi don't normally post on the forums but i really want this to get out there.
Patrick if you read this DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME!!!!!!!!!
a show on discovery channel called mythbusters (i think you've heard of it) already did a bit on the "hydrogen/electrolysis in you car". http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2006/05/episode_53_exploding_trousers.html go here scroll about halfway down to find the results of their findings. the mythbusters are a bit more well funded and experimented the "hydrogen/electrolysis in you car" thoroughly.
Hklax
about 1 year ago
when talking about the myth busters, you also need to think about the fact that they're ENTERTAINERS, the results are rarely actual, the show is made to ENTERTAIN you, they also often seem to leave out convenient important facts. like when they tried out the Bedini-engine in the "free energy" episode, there they somehow didn't attach the magnets of which this engine is so famous for, also, if that "professor" they used, actually was some kind of real professor in alternative energy, he'd tell them right away that they had forgotten the magnets.
On a side note, when referring to myth busters as a reliable source, you need to take into account that they have been, and ARE STUNT coordinators, meaning that they plan and organize stunts for entertainment purposes ONLY. Another thing to note is that they are "well funded" which means that they have OTHER people in charge of the show, these other people isn't always interested in showing real results, often they are interested in making more MONEY.
On a side note, when referring to myth busters as a reliable source, you need to take into account that they have been, and ARE STUNT coordinators, meaning that they plan and organize stunts for entertainment purposes ONLY. Another thing to note is that they are "well funded" which means that they have OTHER people in charge of the show, these other people isn't always interested in showing real results, often they are interested in making more MONEY.










